Hi all,

I am new to this forum and here to learn and share on this fantastic topic...

Two questions if you don't mind;

1/ Is there any persons here practicing OBE more or less at will ?

2/ Is there some kind of consensus about the technique Bruce Moen uses for retrievals ?

Love to all of you.

"My personal experience is Bruce's techniques are a bit like training wheels on a bike".

Interesting. That's the precise example Bruce used in his workshop I attended years ago in northern VA. I'm wondering who you are...

R

Is there other persons here able to OBE at will ?

And what is an accurate description of the technique Moen used to do his retrievals you qualified " training wheels on a bike" please ?

(And last but not least what would be an accurate description of the technique Moen used to do his retrievals WITHOUT " training wheels on a bike" please ?)

Thanks

Vicky's reply is accurate.

IMO, OBE is overhyped and overrated. A retrieval takes about 3 seconds, tops.

If there are e-Bruce offerings I'm not aware of those.

A retrieval takes no time. Three seconds was my outside estimate. To me, there are more interesting and useful things to do than retrievals. YMMV.

Uncertain where the idea that time required for retrievals and and the rigamarole of OBE and OBE preparation &c gained traction.

OBE? Embodiment is the ticket. 

"Everyone" is excited to get out of their body for reasons that are, I suppose, historical (but massively misleading). The body has great wisdom and power. (And many dispute this vigorously owing to the previous point.)

Speaking strictly from my own experience: all the work I do is from my embodiment and in my embodiment. What I personally find is the rigamarole of OBE and all the preparations blah blah woof woof are strictly unnecessary, and are even hindrances.

Bruce's techniques are a lovely starting point but are not (in my experience) a destination. Some can show you a map to get to Shelbyville, you can read Yelp reviews of Shelbyville restaurants, you can look up Shelbyville on a Wiki, but nothing substitutes for actually going to Shelbyville yourself. And your experience of Shelbyville is going to be different from mine, by definition.

Our teams are at work. That's shorthand for "do what is yours to do". Or to look at it another way, our teams are doing what is ours to do so that you are free to do what is yours to do.

As to the question of "seeing" things in another room .... strikes me as very 1950s. Truly a massive misunderstanding. Something like scientists attempting to figure out a djinn with a slide rule.

A partnered retrieval* is most appropriate to this board and our participants here.

Every institution known to man has been doing research in these areas for decades. No sum of results has ever satisfied a particular set of individuals who make a living at debunking.


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* I did my partnered retrieval bits years and years ago. There is a call now for partnered retrieval volunteers in that sub-forum.

The numbers here of doers vs. talkers is unknown to me. Been absent from this board for at least seven years. I'm in occasional contact with some of the "old guard" but we've largely gone our own ways.

I'm at work at what I do every single day including Sundays and holidays. Very little I can offer in the way of teaching. Bruce is a good resource for that. I'm aware of very few who do what I do. Our work is technical and, yes, we see Real World (TM) results. That work is necessarily out of the public eye. There's no advertising, no YouTube channels, no meet-and-greets.

What else may I answer?

--> Real World (capitalized) + (TM) where (TM) = Trademark <-- is joke. It is to laugh.

My "technique" as you coin it, is full embodiment.

As stated above and in multiple other place Here (TM), I personally find OBE to be a waste of time, an annoyance and a hindrance to my work. If I had to do OBE just to get anything done I'd never get anything done.

In the belief you (personal you) read Bruce's material, he also sought proofs. He did so himself, and Bruce documented the search for proof extensively. You (personal and plural) also need to find your own proof. This is done by doing it yourself.

Vicky has an APB out for partnered retrievals as we speak.

APB = All Points Bulletin, also known as a "cattle call". Come one, come all. Vicky is a Super Admin here and is taking over Bruce's duties as board monitor. So the invitation for partnered explorations comes from on top.

Embodiment means exactly what it sounds like. OBE = Out of Body Experience. Embodiment = staying fully IN the body.

In my experience, very few people are willing to fully embody for reasons I sketched above. There are long-standing understandings in most areas that can basically be summarized as: the body is corrupt and the spirit is pure. Can't get to heaven unless you die and other such nonsense. I mean: who the sam hill is telling anyone they have to die to be free? What a load of crap. 'Scuse me.

So there's a long standing tradition on this planet (and elsewhere) that OBE is the path to .... whatever it is one believes is only accessible by leaving the body. It's nonsense, pure and simple, in my experience.

How does one fully embody?

Heh.

Nobody ever told you that, did they? Many of us have somewhat tenuous relationships with our bodies. We don't listen to them. We tell them to shut up. And on and on. Proof? I'm tired but I'm going to stay up to watch the end of this movie. We all do it all the time. And much worse. We blame our bodies for pretty much anything and everything ....

Embodiment begins with being fully present to our body, hey? Sometimes that's no so pleasant for people who've been abusing their bodies for a long while.

That's where it begins. We open a new relationship with our body.

And what is it, exactly, I do when I begin work? Certainly I pay a great deal of attention to my body. I work with my eyes open, at a desk. No magic decks of cards, no blessed offerings, no smells and bells, I am my own sacred space. No OBE. I just go to work.

The work our teams engage in has very little to do with afterlife retrievals. Thus I don't mention it here unless some aspect is relevant to the general discussion. As repeatedly stated elsewhere, and now here, I've thrown away all the books. On completely new ground. I don't care a whit about what famous person A or B says or what sacred text this or that says, or what I should find when I go to work. I find what I find and go on to the next.

HTH (Hope this helps)

How does one explain doing OBE "at will"? Same as one explains riding a bicycle "at will". You can't do it until you do it, and the only way to do it is to do it. "I'm riding a bike!" Anyone tell you how to that? Probably not. Someone (Dad, Mom, Sis, Bro) plunked you on a bike and .... somehow you learned. And then it was easy. But you ultimately did it yourself.

OBE. Big deal. We all do it. Easy as caek. It's what we did as kids every single night. "I'm going to bed and I can fly! I can be free! Wheeee!" And off to the astrals we go, where we can fly and explore and have all kinds of fun that we can't do because our doggone body won't let us walk through walls like we can when we are OBE.

The Matrix reference -> There is no spoon. <-

Been asked elsewhere here how I do what I do, e.g. go to work without OBE etc. etc. I just do it. In my full embodiment. How does one explain what it is to be fully embodied when almost nobody on this planet is fully embodied?

There is no spoon.

Hello Good People.

I think there is some confusion about Out of Body Experience or not.  Not everyone goes OB to go to the 'other-side'.  I have never had that experience even as a child.  I didn't learn to fly until I started doing retrievals and my helpers taught me by telling me to step off a cliff because "You can fly now."  They had fun teaching me by taking me on some 'thrill rides' across the sky and into outer space.   They only stopped because I told them I was there to do retrievals and not just have fun. 

I learned to do retrievals from Bruce Moen's books using imagination to get there.  I also read the retrieval forum for days at a time trying to learn from others who were doing the same thing.  I did find out most do something a little different from their peers.  

I'm a firm believer in "Whatever works".  If it works for you than that is what you should do.  No one should make hard and fast rules for others.  We each have to find our own way.

I hope this helps.
T'ressa

I have regularly OBE and this experience is so stunning and clear it can not be confused with anything else as far as im concerned. If i miss something here please do not hesitate.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 5:43pm:


Your english is very uneasy for me to understand please forgive me for this.

Would you mind reformulate it in a more simple way please ?

LOOOL yeah "elliptical" english, so well found and thats so you, your english is pretty sophisticated !! Is english your first language btw ?

No i dont OBE at will but im looking for some who can for experiences with scientists and to learn from them.

"A partnered retrieval is a fine thing, in my opinion. " okay but who is agree to do that with me ?

In this thread
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1409194592
Vicky asks who may wish to do partnered explorations. Perhaps you can private message her, and/or reply to the thread. Vicky is very experienced in these areas.

English is my mother tongue, as they say, Focus69. It's not my only language.

With more than 66 million views, "Go Your Own Way" seems to be the watchword. https://youtu.be/6ul-cZyuYq4

Good to meet you too, Baroness.

Focus 69,

I suggest you read Bruce Moen's books.  They will take you step by step to help you navigate on the 'other-side'.  All I did and do is follow his instruction to start by using imagination.  Early on I created 'my place'.  It is a place I can go to quickly because I know it so well.  I made it comfortable and  inviting for myself and others.  It sits on the side of a mountain and has the cliff I stepped off of while learning to fly.  Inside is a room where I meet my helpers.  Intention is everything.  I call for them by saying "Good day, good day, good day, may  I have helpers, please."  They come through to me.  (Remember I don't go out of body).  On the Retrieval Forum I tell about a reading done while I was doing a retrieval.  It will give more detail of what is actually happening.

Intention, intention, intention is so important.  Staying focused and not allowing imagination and memory to interfere once contact is made is also important.  My helpers usually tell me who they are as they come through.  For me they all look alike.  Each one feels different to me, but that is me.  Helpers look different to different people.  Your experience may be completely different than mine.  Not to sound like a broken record, but again intention is the key to contact. 

If I were you, I would be doing lots of reading.  That is the way I started.  The more you know before you start the better.  Oh, one other thing.  Take love with you not fear.  The more you love the better.  Love will help you through some of the tougher times.

T'ressa

Baroness wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2017 at 5:24am:



By the way i am looking for the guidebook in electronic version, would you know how can i obtain it ? (Because my eyes are too tired to read books in paperback)

In the awareness you asked Baroness these questions, and in the awareness my replies are likely of very little help, I'll say this:

I pay attention to what is in my field. This, to me, is the only criteria.  By "field" I mean my landscape. Field integrity is critical.

Afterlife retrievals are not necessarily part of my field. If one comes to my attention, then it is part of my field and I take care of it because whatever is in my field is mine to do. We take care of our fields, yes? That which is outside me stays outside me. That which I choose to let in I own. That's field integrity.

As mentioned elsewhere, I find there is not all that much to an afterlife retrieval. Takes a few seconds, done. Retrievals of aspects of self, these can take a bit of work. And that's another topic that has no relevance to afterlife knowledge. Or little relevance.

How do I do it? How does the Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise work? There ya go.

From my earliest "training" — taken with a large boulder of salt! for "training" is a massive distortion of it — I was told "there is always a guide". That's something I ceased worrying about well into last century LOL That's my take on "helpers". Likely you (Focus69) will get as many answers as there are people here, and maybe more ....

If i understand you well, the helpers and guide are for you not only relevant but maybe not even real right ?

What is this Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise work ?

Morrighan wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:



Would you mind explain us what is your PRECISE take on the topic of helpers please ?

LoooOoooL

Focus 69,

You really will get all of your questions answered, and more, by reading Bruce's Guidebook.  I know you said you are tired of reading, but if he doesn't have an e-book version out (and I don't think he does), then you definitely should just read the book.  You can get the CDs or MP3 that goes with it which is recording of Bruce guiding you through the book's exercises.  I highly recommend the book and the audio.

Many years ago I too had trouble grasping the concept of a Helper.  It took me a long time to get past my confusion and questions.  Maybe this will help give you some perspective on the concept and idea of what a Helper means and how it actually helps you.

Think of a Helper as an actual person who has all the answers that you need.  He's there to answer your questions, guide you, assist you etc.  Think of the idea of such a possibility as being real and true and that you fully accept this idea.  If you can get that far, then the rest is pretty easy. 

Now that you've accepted the idea that "A Helper" is simply there to help you, then it really doesn't matter "what" the helper is or how it works, or if it's real or not real.  We're only going with the idea that help is there if you need it. 

A good way to get acquainted with the idea of a helper is to create one in your mind.  Right now while awake and aware, close your eyes and imagine this "helper".  You can make up what it looks like, sounds like, etc.  Or you can just say to yourself, "I want to have a helper come."  If anything pops into your mind, you can use it as a helper.  It can be a color, an animal, an object, or just a feeling or thought.  The reason why it doesn't matter is because what you're doing is opening yourself up to the idea that you can receive help, guidance, and assistance.  It doesn't matter how you get it, just as long as you receive it. 

An example is, I use what I call my "Guidance" in everyday waking life.  I have had to practice and perfect my use of this "idea" that I have this thing I call Guidance.  You can call it my spirit guide, or an angel, but I tend to think of it as my Higher Self.  But it really doesn't matter to me.  I know what it feels like to me, so I recognize it by it's feeling.  You could say that this feeling to me is a state of consciousness that I recognize as being a true and valid connection with my Higher Self Awareness.  So, when I want to connect with that higher awareness and get comfort, or get questions answered, or get advice, etc., then I am setting my intention to bridge that connection and tune in to receiving what I'm looking for.  Because I've already established that I believe this is so, I can bypass all the needless worry about "Is this real?  Who is helping me?"  The point is, I'm wishing to access information, so therefore I'm going to allow myself to access it. 

Does that help you understand how you can utilize the role of a Helper?  If you want to think of a Helper as an angel, then do so.  If you want to think of a helper as a spirit guide, then do so.  But it really doesn't actually matter. 

While doing a retrieval, let's say you were in a very good, relaxed, deep state of awareness.  Focus 10 or beyond.  Body asleep, mind awake.  Nonphysically exploring and experiencing and doing a retrieval.  Ok, let's say you needed help or got stuck and didn't know what to do next.  Maybe you had a click-out and didn't really know what should happen next.  If you had set the intention of having a Helper come to aid you during this retrieval, then a helper is/was there whether you experienced or remembered it or not.  Even if you had a click-out, a helper was there finishing the retrieval. 

I think you had asked on this thread why Helpers don't just do the retrievals themselves.  This is a great question, and if you read Bruce's books you'll understand.  People who are stuck are not able to see or hear helpers, which is why we are able to help those people who are stuck.  We're better able to get their attention.  Then once you are with them, the helper is able to come into their awareness and be seen and heard. 

I hope that I've explained this in a way that makes sense.  I completely understand all of your questions and why you're asking them, because I was asking the same questions back when I began reading Bruce's books and learning about retrievals. 

You will really enjoy all of his books.  He has a great way of writing and explaining things.  I have also applied the tools and techniques that Bruce teaches to many other things than just retrievals.

Focus 69 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 7:15pm:


I'm also a musician, so as not to give any misunderstanding. This is my bass. There are many like it but this one is mine.

What I play, how I play it is mine, same as the mission work I do. It's mine and it's for everyone. So is it mine? How does the music come through me? Through my body .... Does the music play me or do I play the music? Helpers? I play a helping of JS Bach and top  it off with a rockin' 15 minutes of (Turn On Your) Lovelight.

The instrument doesn't play itself.

^ ginormous clue

HTH (Hope That Helps)

    Re: nonphysical Helpers and how they often have a hard time getting the attention of folks stuck: A lot of it has to do with vibratory levels and the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like. 

     True nonphysical Helpers are very fast vibratory in nature. Folks that are stuck, are temporarily pretty slow vibratory in nature and in are much more "in phase" with the physical Earth and physical energies that are themselves slow vibratory and stuck. 

  Humanity in general is quite stuck.  Just as many physically focused humans have a hard time clearly and directly perceiving nonphysically focused Helpers, so to are those stuck in the "etheric" level, which is only slightly faster vibratory than the physical.

  This is also where classic OBE's take place.  It is a slow vibratory level that is strongly in phase with/similar in vibration to the physical .  Be wary of so called teachers who primarily work in/at this level, for they oft are slow vibratory in nature and oft aren't true teachers/helpers--more so the "guise" of.

  Anyways, back to retrieval:  This is where an aware, mature, service oriented Soul connected to a human body suit comes along and can be of some assistance to the nonphysically focused Helpers.  Because of our connection to a physical body, a slow vibratory level, it is much easier for one of us to be perceived by folks stuck in the etheric level. You can be the most spiritually mature, fast vibratory consciousness around, but if you're directly connected to a human body--well it has a definite "grounding" affect. 

   That which is a similar vibration/wavelength according to the Universal Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, easily and more directly perceives that which is in similar resonation.  This is metaphysics 101. 

    It doesn't just apply to this situation, but many, many situations.  Folks in "Hollow Heavens", which are in the emotional level/range of vibration do not normally perceive those individuals and levels that are faster vibratory and that are phased into the mental or spiritual levels.  The latter can temporarily slow down their vibratory levels some to phase into the emotional level and be more directly perceived, but even then, it's hard for them to be perceived. 

    The above Law and reactions are also why true, real spiritual teachers/Helpers incarnate in human form, are often ignored or outright disliked.  Others can perceive them, at least their physical aspect, because all humans have these slow vibratory bodies in common, and bodies can easily perceive other bodies. 

   But most humans have a hard time perceiveing the inner nature of true spiritual Helpers/Teachers incarnate.  This is why, most of the real ones, don't have any kind of following.  It is primiarlly the moderately fast vibratory and slow vibratory false teachers, that have the biggest crowds.  A more similar resonation with the average human. 

  The most evolved/mature of incarnate Helpers/Retrievers, unless they perform constant miracles like Yeshua, often are ignored, marginalized, minimized, etc by the majority around them.  Even the ones who do get some attention because of the constant perfomring of miracles, like Yeshua, they tend to powerfuly stir up the shadow of others and become extremely and irrationally disliked or even hated by many around them. 

  People see "red" in relation to them and are always trying to get rid of them.  Why?  Vibrational/Consciousness dissonance.  And slow vibratory does not "like" fast vibratory.  Fast vibratory loves all, is all inclusive, but stuck, slow vibratory doesn't tend to react well to very fast vibratory. 

  Plato's allegory of the cave is very apropos here.  Hence why Yeshua was falsely tried, tortured, and murdered. Why?  Simply for speaking truth and being powerfully attuned to PUL.  His powerful and pure channeling of PUL polarized the fear/ego/selfishness levels of humanity, and powerfully stirred up those dark rivers. 

     This is why he cautioned his then and future disciples, and said be sure you really want to follow me, because if you do truly follow in my footsteps, the world and most humans in same, will come to hate and despise you too.  And indeed, most of his disciples who tried hard to follow in his footsteps and attune a lot to PUL, ended up being imprisoned, tortured, and/or murdered themselves. 

Why?  Vibrational dissonance and slow vibratory does not like or abide well fast vibratory.  Same reason why Albert and I have been banned from a number of forums. People cannot abide us, or rather, our unusual attunement to PUL. 

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   The above is why there are some on this board who despise and irrationally dislike Albert and I.  Because we speak truth and are unusually attuned to PUL.  Vibrational dissonance and stirring up of shadows. 

1796 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:30am:


1796,

Ok, obviously I didn't explain it in depth and precisely in a way that anyone can understand all the facets.  I was pointing my reply to someone else, not you with all of your questions as I certainly don't know your level of understanding of the subject matter.

Have you read any of Bruce Moen's books, and/or have you taken any of his workshops?  If you have then you would already have the answers to your questions.  I highly recommend reading all the books in order, including The Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook.  Then if you still have questions we can go more in depth if you're still not understanding certain facets.

I'll try again to go into a little more detail.  It's not that all helpers can't help.  They do.  But some people who are stuck are not able to be aware that the helpers are there. 

You are misguided in your assumption that that means that helpers are helpless and therefore unable to do what should be their job. 

There are many reasons why a person who is stuck in the afterlife is unable to realize and be aware that there are helpers.  Their being stuck is not just happenstance, the luck of the draw, or plain old bad luck.  They are stuck because of their own beliefs.  Beliefs can often distort and block perception, making it even more difficult for them.   

We as physically living people are much closer to their vibration and can more easily get their attention. 

These are indeed great questions, 1796, and like I suggested to Focus 69 and to anyone, please do read Bruce's work so that you can fully understand the topics and terminology and concepts rather than just coming up with question after question.  You may find that the material is something that you are very interested in doing further exploration with on your own, so that you can have your own direct experiences.

And as I've always said too, once you get that far then you will find that the questions you're asking are different than now.  You'll have a much broader perception and understanding of the afterlife.

Vicky

Thanks for responding Vicky.

I did not assume or say the helpers are helpless, though, nor do I think they are helpless. I just posed the question to draw forth the answer. I asked the question for other’s sake, so that you could clarify the matter for them. It is an obvious question for inquirers to ask.

To say the answer is in Bruce’s books is a good idea, but you giving the answer too would be an even better idea, for then forum readers would see the answer and be more likely to want to read more of Bruce’s books.

cb

Morrighan wrote on Jun 6^th, 2017 at 9:49pm:


Then you happily throw them haha ^^

1796 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 6:30am:


Yeah thats very true.

So do you have your own opinion on all this or are you like me still a bit "stuck in translation" ?

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:


Very troubling what you bring here... thanks a lot for sharing my friend !!

Focus 69:

There is no need to be troubled. One thing that has been made clear to me in numerous ways is that we have free will. Therefore, it is completely up to us to decide what kind of person we want to be.

Regarding the beings John L. Masters was possessed by, it is hard to say what precisely those beings are. People tend to speak of demons without knowing what they actually are or where they come from. How would they know?

Some people might say from Satan, but if you read what the Bible says about Satan, it doesn't provide a consistent and clear description of who/what Satan is. "Satan" basically mean adversary. Sometimes a Satan worked on God's behalf. Sometimes "Satan" was used in a causal way, such as when Jesus told Peter, "don't be a Satan (adversary) to me.

Some people believe the Book of Isiah explains who Satan is when it speaks of a fallen angel named Lucifer, but that is probably due to a translation error, and that book spoke of a fallen king, a physical person.

There might be some head honcho negative beings, but who knows what/who precisely such beings are?

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    Begets. Like putting out positive energy in relation to others, builds up attunement to positive energy within.  Putting out negative energy towards others, tends to foster/faciliate negative energy and destructive either within or without. 

Course, there are also the material meanings like having a child aka "begetting a child". 

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   My friend who goes by the name here of "Recoverer2"

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   Can't help you there, as I never had much luck with having  classic OBE type experiences.  I went through a brief phase where I had a couple, but I was not my normal self then, and for various reasons, I've come to view classic OBE's as limiting. 

   But, I DO highly recommend Rosalind McKnight's first book, "Cosmic Journeys: My Out-of-Body Explorations with Bob Monroe".  She was one Bob's long time "explorers". 

Her main guide/helper, "Ah So" (not his real name), says some very enlightening things about classic OBE and other ways of exploring, perceiving, and experiencing the nonphysical.

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The mental mind is not one's friend you write, yet you use the mind to recognise this. Why is the mind not one's friend, why the need for it go to on a long hike?

"The mind is a set of cognitive faculties including consciousness, perception, thinking, judgement, and memory. It is usually defined as the faculty of an entity's thoughts and consciousness. It holds the power of imagination, recognition, and appreciation, and is responsible for processing feelings and emotions, resulting in attitudes and actions." - Wikipedia

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:01pm:

The mind takes a hike. Who is the new boss?

The man on a string looks about ready to do a lively Finnish Tango.

Can't the new boss be described by words?

The image immediately upthread is of Bob Denver playing Gilligan on Gilligan's Isle.

^ ginormous clue

Here is one route to finding answers that I place forth with neither endorsement nor denial. Ask these four questions before asking your question:

• are you there
• who and or what are you
• what do you want me to know
• I have a question, will you answer me?

[your question]

Hehe, I'm not going to use the mind to look for clues on Gilligan's Island but I will try the technique Morrighan.

Are you hinting at this Morrighan?
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1448385620

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   I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the above.
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I was refering to the fact you said that very powerful energies used to be victim of ostracism by a large majority... And i was adding that i would consider your point of view very true and that it was also true from a psychological perspective...

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 11:19am:



My bad english again to blame no doubt but ...who is supposed to go for a hike here ? the mental mind or the mind ? Understood as the soul/essence ?

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Do you meditate, Focus69?

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Were the mission work I/we do were appropriate to this forum, I would post it here. Because the work is technical and the language for the work is technical, there is little benefit in posting examples out of context. What few I previously posted here were met with incomprehension and all that goes with that.

Morrighan wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 10:15pm:



Yeah i do meditate (twice each day and i even provide some meditation course) thats why i ask you to precise and reformulate between the "mental" and the "soul mind" as my english is limited sorry again for this... (add to the fact this topic is already utterly subjective, confusion is our enemy by not being very accurate...and a fantastic waste of time as i imagine you know too well in this kind of topic)

This is Bruce Moen teaching. He is describing a hypothetical example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDjRJ5NA2jY

Pretty well everything necessary to what I place forth regarding mind is held in the image of Gilligan upthread.

Those of us who cut our teeth on TMI's* methodology learn(ed) to access non-verbal information. The sole refinement I bring into discussion regards access through our embodiment. That said, I am not a teacher, do not strive to teach, and pay no attention to teachers.

What I can add — which you likely know — is when one shifts attention to the Cave of Brahma (the center of the four lobes of the brain) mind becomes quiet. There is a difference, though, between quiet and still. Yet the technique is effective in the shift to the observer position. Up to you.....

And this is the sum of what I put forth regarding techniques for retrievals &c. Some of you (general you) are accomplished retrievers. Focus69 asks for tips and tricks. Vicky (and others) already outlined solid starting points.


* I've broken all connection with TMI and hold no relationship to it, its programs and/or teachings.

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   This really depends on the individual. Some are helped by some initial pretending/imagination as Bruce talks about, and others prefer to picture their mind white and blank. 

  Try both and see what works better for you. You may even find that at different times, one approach works well one time, and the other works better at another. 

    Like truth, not much of this is static, though there are some universals as well.  But there is also an ever present "relativity" to it all. That relativity only drops away for an individual when they realize their Soul's and Spirit's highest dream/aspiration.  To return consciously to the Home of Homes, in the Heart of their Maker. 

    For this self, I find being present in the body has some importance, for self came here for retrieval.  One needs to eventually become like a Tree, with the roots in the ground, but the branches reaching up into the heavens.  When this is done well and long enough, and the mind and the heart merge into one, the form of the Tree disappears, and pure Light is revealed. 

       Morrighan, Uno, and Recoverer2 all make good points.  Let's see if this self can provide a little meeting ground and synthesis between these.  The clue is in "Hemi-Sync".  It's very true that over focus on the left brain, intellect part of us, can prevent more clear reception of data from the nonphysical. 

   This is why men, tend to be less strongly, consciously and overtly intuitive than women.  Men tend to have more focus on the left brain and intellect aspects of the human energy system. 

   Especially those connected to male bodies, we do need to "tone" or "tune down" that loud, chattering monkey mind some.  But we still need it, just quiet and in the background, observing more. 

    It is the right brain and Yin part of us that is more involved in the actual receiving of info/data from the nonphysical.  Like Yin attunement and the seeming "side" of Consciousness, the right brain is by nature very receptive, absorbing, intaking, observing, quiet, and more passive.  It is easily trampled on by the louder and more active Yang, male, and left brain part of us. 

  Hence, as Morrighan as said, the need for silence and quietness. 

   But there is no completely shutting down the intellect and left brain part of us, nor should we try.  That's the part that helps us to interpret and consciously recognize/understand what's being received by the right brain.

   In short, we need to balance, integrate, and synthesize them, rather than forsake one for the other.  But, particularly for the average male, it IS good to first become a little imbalanced towards the Yin and right brain to help balance out the habit and pattern of over Yang and left brain attunement. 

    Do you speak astro. language at all?  Well, when transiting Neptune came to be very close to (what astro folks  call "conjoining"), the Sun in my chart, which rules the Ascendant sign, for awhile, I went over much to the Yin side. Whoa Man, Oneness is All (head swaying), it's so so beautiful man.  I even contemplated for a short time, that maybe individuality was an illusion and that Oneness was all there is. 

   Or, in other words, I for a time, became way too polarized to the Yin and the right brain parts of the human energy system, which a polarized reflection and reflected imbalance of the stuck levels of consciousness. 

    Meaning, in the non stuck, fully free level of consciousness, that of pure Love.  There is no "Yin/Feminine" or "Yang/Masculine" per se, or rather there no separation/difference/imbalance or polarization between these.  It is what it is and it's perfectly merged and beyond either. 

  Or, as Bob Monroe said very well, "The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts".   

     So yes, continue spending time learning to be still, quiet, receptive (your inner Feminine self), so that you can more easily and consciously perceive data/info from the nonphysical. 

    Or, as the Teacher of teachers has taught and said, 8"And the two shall be one flesh; after that they are not two, but one flesh." 9"The things that God unites let not a son of man separate." 

  He was asked about marriage, and while he did address the material level, at the same time, he also addressed a deeper consciousness truth that relates to what I've been outlining to you and others. 

  When one fully attunes to pure Love, then the Two become One in the flesh.  Or, as Bob Monroe might have said, we become like "He/She" of his 3rd book.   I'm not quite there yet, kind of like 51% male and 49% female at this point because of the influence of a male human animal body, but that is starting to be phased into what some call Soul and Spirit.  When the body meets face to face with pineal gland, and then starts activating the pituitary, and then one starts to phase into 50% female and 50% male, then the Tree disappears and the Light within the form is revealed. 

Morrighan wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:


Thanks!  I was wondering what that was.

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, does it matter if it the attention is shifted to the pineal gland or one of the nostrils?

  Indeed Morrighan, and Mmmmmmm at the right pitch for the individual, really resonates and potentially helps to activate that Cave quite a bit.

    So doesn't the the deep blue/indigo form of copper carbonate, aka Azurite. 

     So doesn't Edgar Cayce's recommended meal, "Mummy food" so called.

Aris Hobeth, the long dead mummy and favored Daughter of Ra, came to life in one of his dreams and asked to be fed chopped up figs and dates, cooked, and with goat milk added. 

  As they ate the food together, she became more and more alive AND together, they read the newly found Egyptian records that are hidden in the inner chamber. 

  Course, that was a "dream" and largely symbolic and maybe even a little precognitive, who knows.  But, Cayce's actual guidance occasionally recommended this ancient food combo as an aid to spiritually intune bodies, to help them to attune better. 

  Or, in a more direct sense, it's a food for and activator of the Pineal. 

     This self, has been doing all the above of late, and whoo boy, things are starting to really open up.  Phasing more and more from purple, to the gold and white light.  Aka in the process of becoming the person that Mrs Dixon was given information about, but as sensitives/intuitive's often do, garbled a bit the translation/decoding/interpretation of the actual vision/received data itself. The vision itself was true, but the translation not so perfect. 
http://www.greatdreams.com/dixon.htm ;

  Or, to paraphrase Elton John a bit, He was born a pauper to a pawn near a Christmas day, when the New York times said God was dead. 

  Well, God is not dead, and there are 3 individuals present in the body, who in the near future future will come and make this very clear to humanity, and then Yeshua-He/She himself, will appear with these individuals to humanity and say, "These humans who were born like you, who struggled with ego, selfishness and temptation like you, are a fulfillment of my promises to you so long ago, that if you follow more fully in my footsteps, then you can become like me."   

  One of those individuals, is sort of a catalyst for the climaxing of this process. Soon after these individuals come and example humanity's potential, then more and more indivduals will start to follow the increasingly trodden and easier to follow path.  As generations pass, more and more will follow fully, until about a 1000 years from now or so, all of humanity will be like this. 

  That, or self is completely deluded and imbalanced. I allow for that possibility too, though a low one, maybe .1%.

So help me understand: what is the difference between focusing on (give energy to) the Cave of Brahma compared to shifting the attention to either the left or the right Cave of The Nose?

1796 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:50am:


Thanks yes i know that famous video and i watched many others.

Uno wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 2:09pm:


   There are outer attunement aids for the body, and there is the inner consciousness aspect. 

    The latter is ultimately much more important than certain Yogic breath exercises, toning in a certain way, wearing/using azurite, using hemi-sync, eating mummy food, etc, etc.   

  The consciousness aspect is about moment to moment choosing in relation to others and interaction. It's about seeing and focusing on the God in others, even if it's really covered over.  But that doesn't mean that one doesn't use or attune to tough love ever. 

     Methods for activivating/raising the kundalini forces in the body, should not be attempted by those who are not pure in heart.   

    Reason being, is if you do raise that powerful energy, but you are not near pure in heart and consciousness, then that energy goes to your highest level/gland, and then REALLY amplifies that particular gland/consciusness. 

     If you're primarily focused/vibrating at the 3rd level, for example, then the adrenals will become over stimulated and that will lead to a lot of problems for self.  It will also stimulate the centers below that, the 1st and 2nd, which also will cause a lot of problems for the individual and often times, more so for others that the individual tries to influence. 

  For example, Robert Bruce.  Slow vibratory guy, who has unwisely and prematurely raised kundalini, but because he has blocks at the heart and above, all that energy gets focused in the slower vibratory centers, over stimulating them. 

  This leads to things like over focus on sex/over sex drive, need to control or manipulate others, need to be considered a teacher and expert by others, strong materialism, connection to negative and deceptive nonphysicals and ETs, etc, etc.  Basically 1st, 2nd, and 3rd center over stimulation. 

  A sad, destructive mess that not only hurts the individual, but also others the individual influences/connects with. 

    There are MANY Eastern "guru" figures that one can read about and research and see this same thing, over and over again.  Unwise stimulation of kundalini before it's time. 

  Only those primarily focused at the 6th level are prepared to wisely, safely, and helpfully raise that powerful body energy up.  Funny true story.  When I was a little kid, I had one of those old, pull down a lever, go through some pictures with associated sayings toys.  Well, my toy broke and when I pulled the lever, it would always say, "purp bite, the snow is white".  Course it was talking about color and originally would have either said something about purple, or something about white.  But it got mixed up.
     Hmmm, might be some weird metaphysical truth to it.  The purple and the gold, comes before the white.  If you're mostly red, yellow, and green with a dash of blue, again, not recommended to fool around with raising up Kundalini.    

   I would recommend to stop playing with yer noses to put it more bluntly.   

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When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the pineal gland or the heart?

When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the heart chakra or the crown chakra?

Uno wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 3:44pm:


Uno, I think focused attention in the heart chakra area is most productive.  This is where I try to live even in an ordinary wakeful state of consciousness. 

Studies are now being done that scientifically demonstrate the heart communicates to the brain more than the brain communicates with the heart.

Here's a short video demonstration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcjPsEiohoA

I agree with what Kathy said.

Lights of Love wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

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? Because there are female who are connected to male bodies ?

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Who are those 3 individuals ?