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When shifting attention to make the mind go quiet, is there a difference between shifting the attention to the pineal gland or the heart?

Pretty well everything necessary to what I place forth regarding mind is held in the image of Gilligan upthread.

Those of us who cut our teeth on TMI's* methodology learn(ed) to access non-verbal information. The sole refinement I bring into discussion regards access through our embodiment. That said, I am not a teacher, do not strive to teach, and pay no attention to teachers.

What I can add — which you likely know — is when one shifts attention to the Cave of Brahma (the center of the four lobes of the brain) mind becomes quiet. There is a difference, though, between quiet and still. Yet the technique is effective in the shift to the observer position. Up to you.....

And this is the sum of what I put forth regarding techniques for retrievals &c. Some of you (general you) are accomplished retrievers. Focus69 asks for tips and tricks. Vicky (and others) already outlined solid starting points.


* I've broken all connection with TMI and hold no relationship to it, its programs and/or teachings.

Despite assertions that I am not a teacher, follow no teachers and have no interest in teachers, I offer the following. It may appear, on the surface, to be unrelated to retrieval technique.

Embodiment is the name of the game for me and for my work. We all come "here" for as many reasons as there are "individuals". No interest in erudite dissections of "purpose".

"Intent" is one of the breadcrumb trails Bruce presents with the Silly Little Finger Bending exercise. I myself tripped into this in 7th grade as I first made the connection with the intent to move my fingers and the result of moving my fingers. Unfortunately for me, I discovered this in the classroom. My attention was other than on the teacher and her lesson (whatever it was — I've forgotten Mrs. Lady's school lesson and remembered mine!). Predictably I was singled out for humiliation in front of the class. Thus was my discovery of the connection of intent and action repressed. But not for good.

The current refinement is my relationship with my (gasp!) electric bass guitar. And I present this material as relevant to retrievals in strengthening the metapoint of embodiment / formlessness. This may be one clue as to why the embodied can more easily reach aspects of those who are retrieval targets. That's a different subject.

Our bodies are like instruments waiting to be played....

And this is how I personally go about it.  The first part comes through my left hand. I've four fingers on the fretboard, and they are the means to the sacred geometry of music theory. (It's the bass player who knows music theory cold. A keyboard player can play C diminished 7 all day but it ain't C diminished 7 until I say it is.)

So there is a dialogue that occurs with me and my fingers as I ""program" music theory into muscle memory. .... If my first finger is on the root of I on the first string, then that means my pinky is on the inverted third of I on the third string, which means I can play an arpeggio with 4-3-1 (shift) - 4 .... It is not necessary to follow the theory here. What I'm relating are the relationships of observation, intent and action. Completely applicable for retrievals and other, related work.

The second aspect is through my right hand. If you (general you) follow me thus far, this is another mind that is not mind. It's as if I divide my body in two, vertically. The right hand is executing a 1-2-1-2 finger motion and is all about the embodiment of intent. This is the phrasing, the articulation, the attack .... it's about how the left hand is translated into sound.

Then there is the third "mind" in form, and that's my feet. This is about time. As a bass player, I am all about time. There is nothing else but time. It's not about time moving forward. It's about a single point from which time exists. I'm playing from a still point, a zero point, and I can play with it. (To hear a true master of time, listen to Art Tatum. His time is better than an atomic clock. Serious.) In a way this is a new metapoint. It's about strengthening an atrophied muscle ....

We see this in practice in other areas, such as those who chant, sacred drumming &c &c. We come together in TIME and time stands still ....  And time has a breadth (breath!) and I'm free to play with time in this space. One is where I say it is.

Then there is a forth dimension at play .... I am both the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer ....

From there it gets a little more complex, but the most important aspect is play. Because it's fun to play! Not just play, as in play the instrument, play because of the joy of playing. Playing with my creation .... "Go forth and errorize," as once articulated by Daevid Allen.

The point, of course, is not what I do or what you should do and who the sam hill cares. It's about finding what works for you, and doing what is yours to do.

Doing what is yours to do is all that matters.

First please explain this sentence in stupid language or the simplest you can trying to stay as accurate please.

Finally, could you be kind enough to give me clear subtitles by connecting the dots between your bass analogy and the 3 elements; intent, observation and action which seems to form the relationship you made between your bass and retrievals which composed your forth dimension and(maybe your second analogy ?) as the doer and the observer, and the observer of the observer please ?

Regarding the video 1796 refers to below, when I started to do retrievals I started to do them with imagination being a part of the strategy.

1. I would see a spirit that is in duress.
2. I figured I was shown this spirit because it needed help.
3. I imagined myself helping this spirit, but I wouldn't see anything.
4. Suddenly, I would click out (not fall asleep)  and find myself in the place the spirit in need of help was located. Events would proceed without my imagining anything, and I could see what was taking place.

On some occasions I would be warned ahead of time that a retrieval would take place. For example, one time I heard a voice say, "Get ready to see something horrible." A moment later I saw a lady who died in a fire and was still experiencing a fire, and I helped her break free from this experience.

Initially I wondered if I was actually helping with the process of retrieving spirits. One day while meditating I asked if I was actually doing so. I was shown the cover of Robert Monroe's book "Far Journeys."  The book opened so that page 144 could be felt, and so that page 145 could be seen. I had just received this book in the mail, but had yet to open it. I stopped meditating and grabbed a copy of the book I had received. I opened the book to where page 144  could be found, and it was the first page of a chapter called "Rescue Mission." As far as I know, this is the first time Robert wrote about retrievals. I felt the page number on page 144 rather than saw it, because the first page number of each chapter of this book doesn't display the page number.  The second page number of each chapter does display the page number. This is why I was able to see page 145. Since I had yet to open the book, there is no way I could've known that the first page number of each chapter isn't displayed. There is also no way I could've known that a chapter called "Rescue Mission" started on page 144.

Regarding getting information that could be verified later as a retrieval takes place, it might not always be possible to receive information in this way. There are other things to focus  one's attention on. In the video 1796 provided a link for, Bruce provides an example where he was able to later verify information he received nonphysically, but not during a retrieval. There have been numerous times that I received information nonphysically that I didn't know about beforehand that I could verify later.

Regarding using the imagination method, spirit world travel is different than physical travel. You don't walk to  some location or use a means of transportation such as a bus to get somewhere. Rather, you set the intent to go somewhere. Imagination is a way of setting intent. Also, Astral worlds are the result of imagination, so it makes sense that imagination might have something to do with what is going on.

Vicky mentioned knowing what her guidance feels like. I understand why she said this. When I receive a message from my guidance, I can usually sense the presence of this guidance.

As I think I mentioned earlier, I help with retrievals in a different way now. I merge with the spirit that needs help, and cleansing energy is applied so that the spirit can be cleansed so it can move on to a higher level of being. Sometimes as this takes place, the friendly spirits that help me do this, send me imagery that helps me understand what is going on with the spirit that needs help. I merge with such spirit only to the extent that is needed. It wouldn't be healthy for me to become aware of their entire psychological profile. During the early days of doing retrievals in such a way I experienced some of the lives of the spirits that need help, this was done only so I  would understand what is taking place. Once I got the gist of what is taking place, it became unnecessary for me to  become aware of all of the details.

I believe it is important to state that a person might help with retrievals while asleep, without realizing that he or she is doing so. If one wants to know if this is so, they can ask their higher self/guidance if it is. They might receive the answer in the form of a dream.



1796 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2017 at 7:50am: