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Justin
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Hi Seraphis1,
I haven't read this entire thread but i was wondering, are you trying to have a classic OBE--one similar to what Monroe wrote about in his books?
I've wrote about this a bit here and there in the further past, but maybe it bears repeating.
There is an interesting book called "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight. In this book, among many topics, her guidance talks about exploring of the nonphysical from various levels or dimensions within self.
This info and analogy can be likened to shifting ones inner vibratory wavelength to different frequencies either relatively faster or slower vibratory than one another.
Her guidance doesn't recommend exploring via the classic OBE way and level. Not that there is anything wrong with it per se, but that this source hints that it tends to be a limiting perspective because it's of and through a slower vibratory level (more attached and connected to the physical). They also cite there tends to be less shielding left for the overall energy system, and so one tends to be more open to invasion during a classic OBE. (which "Ah So" describes as phasing primarily through the "etheric" body or level of self).
This was confirmed to me when i had my one and only classic OBE (well not quite true, i had another experience later on which i eventually realized was more or less a classic OBE). Around the time i had this OBE, i was in a phase i will call limiting to say the least. Was under various stresses, wasn't keeping my spiritual center, and wasn't being as PUL attuned as i normally was and could be (which is what this journey is ALL about, for all).
In short, i had shifted much of my consciousness to a noticeably slower vibratory range for a time (for me). I, my energies were vibrating at a slower and more limiting wavelength.
I don't think, in light of Rosie's Guidance and what they've said, this was a coincidence. I've come to believe that my natural way is not OBE because normally and generally speaking, my "vibes" are too fast vibratory to phase via that level. Not trying to toot my own horn, just being matter of fact and sincere.
In other words, you may be wasting your time in trying to achieve a classic OBE as there are other means and ways to explore nonphysically. It may be that it's not your natural state to phase into as you may be more attuned to more subtle levels and ways of perceiving the nonphysical.
Sometimes in our earlier stages, our Disk will incline us to more "in our face" experiences like classic OBE's because that is what we need to experience in order to truly believe in and get excited about the nonphysical. It's because such classic OBE's have such a physical, "real world" like feel to them.
As one matures, and one really grows and trusts, generally one doesn't need such overt and in your face experiences and so they tend to become more subtle. I say tend, because sometimes even the more mature and seasoned folks need a stronger reminder every once in awhile.
This (more subtle and less overt ways of perceiving and exploring), generally speaking, is usually a good sign. It's the stubborn and/or less mature ones which need such "bells and whistles" to borrow a term from my friend.
Having a classic OBE is cool, fun, convincing, etc., but definitely not necessary. It may be a waste of time trying to have one. I don't know, and can't say for sure in your case, but it may be something worth taking to your Guidance about.
RAM was a man who very much needed to have those kinds of experiences in order to open up and really believe in such subtle, non mainstream and nonphysical aspects of reality. He was until his experiences, pretty much a materialist and not someone particularly intune with his intuition in a more conscious sense.
I find it interesting that Bruce Moen, possibly someone that is part of the same Disk as RAM, also has had a lack of experience in the classic OBE department despite trying and wanting to in his earlier days. It's safe to assume that Bruce started off on and with a faster vibratory pattern than Monroe who had helped paved the way for his future self. Indeed Bruce reports that he has had a strong interest in the nonphysical etc. since he was younger--rather different in that respect than RAM.
Just some stuff to think about.
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