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Message started by Michael Saganski on Mar 13th, 2010 at 1:51pm

Title: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 13th, 2010 at 1:51pm
I want to do a 90-day trial to achieve my first out of body experience (OBE).

History

For the past 10 years I’ve had an off and on interest in astral projection. I first heard about the concept in high school when I looked up a psy-trance music group that I was interested in at the time, which were aptly called “Astral Projection”. Naturally, a Google search for those two words led me to the other meaning – out of body experience.

I became quite interested in the topic and read a couple books on the subject. I tried some techniques and had some interesting experiences but I never fully got there. For whatever reason I lost interest for a while and decided to put OBE’s on the back burner.

Over the years I’d periodically regain some interest, read more about it, and try some techniques. Without much initial success I became impatient and would move on to other things. For whatever reason though, I found myself coming back to the concept over and over. Eventually I came across the work done by Robert Monroe, and read his three books:

   1. Journeys Out of the Body
   2. Far Journeys
   3. Ultimate Journey

I was completely blown away. The stories were so amazing I wondered how anyone could make them up. Then I discovered that the institute he created, The Monroe Institute, was still alive and going strong. Supposedly, people are learning how to do this all the time!

I decided that it was worth pursuing completely. As I’ve matured I’ve realized that anything worth doing usually takes persistence and patience. This 90-day trial also fits into Steve Pavlina’s success strategy of 30-day trials, so I’ve decided to really give this my all and see if I really am “more than my physical body”.

Strategy

The plan I will be using is from Robert Bruce’s and Brian Mercer’s book, “Mastering Astral Projection” (MAP). That book provides a 90-day guide to having an out of body experience, which includes:

    * affirmations
    * writing in a journal
    * dream recall
    * relaxation exercises
    * breath work
    * mind taming (i.e. meditation)
    * energy work (i.e. chakras)
    * binaural beats
    * exit techniques

I have read many books on out of body experiences but I’ve never come across one with such a structured, day-by-day guide. I feel like this book will help stack the deck in my favor, giving me the best possible chance at an OBE. Note that each day will be different, so it differs from typical 30-day habit forming trials.

The plan is to follow the book as closely as possible to see its effectiveness. However, since I haven’t read the entire book yet I can’t guarantee I’ll follow it completely. One basic change I’ll have to make from the start is that some exercises that are meant to be done in the afternoon will likely be done in the morning, due to my schedule.

For the most part I’m coming into this trial as a newbie. I’ve been doing some meditating everyday for the past few weeks which will help with taming my mind, but that’s about it.

MAP itself suggests reading other books during this trial, to really saturate the subconscious mind, so I’ve queued up:

    * Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce (read about 50% so far at the time of this posting)
    * Adventures Beyond the Body and The Secret of the Soul by William Buhlman
    * Voyages into the Unknown, Volume 1 by Bruce Moen (I will probably get the other 4 volumes as wanted)

I’ve also signed up to various forums and communities about Astral Projection/OBE’s to try and soak up as much knowledge as I can about the subject.

Motivation


So why am I doing this? Well some people might say that it’s all just mind games, but I believe it could lead to a verification of the after-life. At the very least, I will have much more evidence supporting the belief that I am more than my physical body.

Lately I’ve been exploring what spirituality is, as I used to be an atheist. I am a pretty left-brained and a scientific/analytical type of mind, so this type of verification of a spiritual topic would be a huge validation of my beliefs. It’s one thing to believe that you have a “spirit”, but it’s an entirely different thing to know.

I feel like astral projection is almost like a Pandora’s Box for me, which could lead to a very cool spiritual journey. Some people may think it’s weird or question the whole point of exploring anything not in the “real world”. I could probably write a whole post on that point of view, but I think that growing consciously is really the whole point of life to begin with. Why close your mind off from the whole package?

Other than that, I just find this topic interesting even as a mental exercise. I’m also a pretty curious person, and I like exploring topics that are on the edges of social norms.

Public Posting

I will be posting about my experiences over the 90 days. According to the book, each week will contain a different focus so posts will be weekly at the very least. I’ll try to post daily as long as there is something interesting to report.

I’m making this experience public for many reasons, which includes:

    * increasing my chances for success. Having people read and rely on my progress will give me extra motivation to follow through with the whole 90 days.
    * exposing more of who I really am, and what I am interested in. I’m sure I’ll attract other like-minded individuals who I can share and grow with.
    * helping others who want to explore out of body experiences. This is a pretty nice topic, so the more information out there, the better.
    * having writing from a newbies point of view. Writing’s on how to achieve an OBE from the perspective of a person who has them regularly is never the same as one starting from the beginning.

Wish me luck. I’ll be starting day 1 this weekend. I’d be happy to read your thoughts. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by StoneColdTrue on Mar 13th, 2010 at 6:11pm
Seems like you've certainly put a lot of thought and time into wanting to do this. I for one look very forward to your experiences.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Rebecca on Mar 13th, 2010 at 8:31pm
I have read and tried MAP last year, but only did it for a little over a month.  It comes with a companion cd, but he also sells an entire set of cds that I thought really helped.  I was able to get out of my body a couple times, just floating around, but not much more than that. 

I've had great luck just working on my energy body and doing chakra meditations as well.  I will have spontaneous OBEs in the middle of the night, but end up with a feeling of dread that sends me rushing back to my physical body.  I still haven't gotten past my own fears.

Good luck to you, I can't wait to read about your experiences.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on Mar 14th, 2010 at 1:05am
If you like, you could check out Frank Kepple's posts on Astral Pulse. He told interesting things about his OBE approach with a TMI Focus 10/12 recording.
1.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html
2.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave1_pointers-t1832.0.html
3. (What he experienced, his worldview)
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 14th, 2010 at 2:53am

spooky2 wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 1:05am:
If you like, you could check out Frank Kepple's posts on Astral Pulse. He told interesting things about his OBE approach with a TMI Focus 10/12 recording.
1.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html
2.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave1_pointers-t1832.0.html
3. (What he experienced, his worldview)
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Spooky


Thanks, I have actually read that in the past, when I had first read Robert Monroe's books. It's probably worth another read though.

I'd like to try the phasing approach as well, but after I do this trial. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Alan McDougall on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:27am
The harder you try the less successful you will be. I have found that sleep deprivation really helps achieve an OOBE

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 14th, 2010 at 1:53pm

Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:27am:
The harder you try the less successful you will be.


I have a hard time believing this. If I don't try at all will I have OBE's all the time? No.. because I've never had one before.

Yeah I've heard about sleep deprivation helping but that honestly doesn't appeal to me. Thanks for the advice though!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 14th, 2010 at 2:39pm
As I prepare for my 90-day OBE trial that I start tomorrow, I decided I’d write about some of the structure of the trial and what I’ve done to prepare so far.

Weekly Structure

The organization of Mastering Astral Projection (MAP) is broken down into weeks. Each week focuses on a different aspect of the projection process, gradually increasing in complexity. I’m not sure if a week is enough time to “master” each topic, but it is a good starting point.

The first 6 weeks focus on all of the important skills before an actual exit attempt is made, such as:

    * breath awareness
    * mind taming
    * energy work
    * entering a trance state

I will go into greater detail for each skill as I practice them. After week 6, exit strategies and all the problems or difficulties that can come up are discussed. The main point of all this is that even if I make rapid progress, it will still be 6 weeks before I even attempt an OBE.

Preparation Done So Far

Week 1 starts off strong with an introduction to many of the practices required for reliable astral projection.

I’ve set up a meditation space in my home that features a sofa chair for the majority of my practice. An egg timer is close by to help with the timing, as well as some incense to help associate the space with the purpose of relaxation/meditation. There is also a hard-backed chair, soft-backed chair, and an extra bed nearby.

MAP recommends keeping a dream journal to help with dream and OBE recall. I’ve been doing this already for the past several weeks on my own and have been moderately successful in jotting down keywords from my dreams. During the 90-day trial, I’ll be posting my keywords and whatever I can remember from my dreams here as well.

I will be using the BrainWave Generator (bwgen) as directed in MAP to help with the practice. Previously, I’ve experimented with other binaural beats/brainwave entrainment technology such as Holo-Sync, Hemi-Sync, and have found them to be quite helpful with meditation. Luckily, I have an audio extension cable to get the output from bwgen on my computer to headphones in the meditation space.

The daily affirmation MP3’s from MAP are loaded into my iPod and I’ll listen to the appropriate one in the morning/evening. Every little bit helps!

Expectations

I’m pretty excited but I’m also feeling a little unsure of myself. By making this so public I risk making failure public as well, and not too many people enjoy that! At the very least, going through this exercise will be a huge growth experience for me. Not only in perseverance, but also in expression and courage. C’est la vie.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Rebecca on Mar 14th, 2010 at 3:05pm

Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:27am:
The harder you try the less successful you will be. I have found that sleep deprivation really helps achieve an OOBE


I agree with this...most of my spontaneous OBEs occurred after many sleepless nights and very little food (both of which were caused by stress).

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 14th, 2010 at 3:29pm

Rebecca wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 3:05pm:
I agree with this...most of my spontaneous OBEs occurred after many sleepless nights and very little food (both of which were caused by stress).


Fair enough, but I'm not sure it's wise to do this just to have an OBE. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Rebecca on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:19pm
No, don't starve yourself or deny your body sleep.  But eating lightly the days you want to try to have an OBE or getting up at 3am to try it just might help.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 15th, 2010 at 10:04am

Rebecca wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:19pm:
No, don't starve yourself or deny your body sleep.  But eating lightly the days you want to try to have an OBE or getting up at 3am to try it just might help.


Oh yes, the wake back to bed method. I'll probably try that when I get to the exit techniques. :)

OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 1

Program Notes/Observations:

The Brainwave Generator isn’t as pleasant to listen to as Hemi-Sync or Holo-Sync, because there isn’t any sort of music overlaid on top of the binaural beats. That’s ok though, it definitely seems effective so far.

The relaxation exercises are pretty easy, but Robert Bruce seems to stress the importance of them so I will definitely keep working on them.

Breath awareness has been difficult for me as I have a pretty active “monkey mind”, and I find my that my mind wanders quite a bit. I’ve been meditating for many weeks now so it’s not like this is a new experience to me either. I imagine my breath awareness would be even worse if I was starting it for the first time today.

Energy body stimulation through the use of “tactile imaging”, which is something Robert Bruce coined, is pretty neat. Basically you try to focus your body awareness on a single area of your body, like your big toe. You can scratch or poke your big toe to help with focusing on it. Then you can shift your body awareness to other areas of your body. I only did this for about 5 minutes today but as I write this I still feel the tingling sensations from doing this.

Dream Keywords: web design, business, gift for parents, mix up/same gift with girlfriend

I remembered two separate dreams last night. One was related to having a business on the web, and the other had something to do with a gift for my parents. Sadly I can’t recall any more details than that.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 15th, 2010 at 3:21pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 1:53pm:

Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 14th, 2010 at 8:27am:
The harder you try the less successful you will be.


I have a hard time believing this. If I don't try at all will I have OBE's all the time? No.. because I've never had one before.

Yeah I've heard about sleep deprivation helping but that honestly doesn't appeal to me. Thanks for the advice though!


Hi Sag: This is true of all effort... especially in sports... if you try too hard you lose touch with the freeflowing intuitive ability that is just there... loosy goosy is the expression I think.

But trying too hard has an upside and a downside... I set a goal to do an obe... with RB material and was quite intense... bang I had a sudden obe... into an office building somewhere... then I snapped back and was unable to do it again for months...

but intensity is a part of it... I am now aware of a level of intensity that just kind of is below the surface...

so trying hard has a technique to it that is kind of like walking a tight rope... but, you will get the feel of it as you go forward.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 15th, 2010 at 3:31pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Hi Sag: This is true of all effort... especially in sports... if you try too hard you lose touch with the freeflowing intuitive ability that is just there... loosy goosy is the expression I think.

But trying too hard has an upside and a downside... I set a goal to do an obe... with RB material and was quite intense... bang I had a sudden obe... into an office building somewhere... then I snapped back and was unable to do it again for months...

but intensity is a part of it... I am now aware of a level of intensity that just kind of is below the surface...

so trying hard has a technique to it that is kind of like walking a tight rope... but, you will get the feel of it as you go forward.

S.


Yes, that is a great point. I agree with that, and the tightrope comment is a great analogy. Perhaps I am leaning more towards the trying too hard side of things, but I guess my point is you do have to try at least a little. :)

In time I will find the balance.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Rebecca on Mar 15th, 2010 at 3:33pm
I liked the hemi-sync better as well, but the brainwave generator certainly gave me a more spacey feeling and a feeling like my energy body was rocking and moving more so than the hemi-sync.

Calming the mind is very important, I'm a mind-wanderer as well.  Envision an object while doing the breathing exercises and do not lose focus of the object...the more you practice, the better you'll get at maintaining your focus!  Keep up the good work!!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 15th, 2010 at 4:39pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 15th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Hi Sag: This is true of all effort... especially in sports... if you try too hard you lose touch with the freeflowing intuitive ability that is just there... loosy goosy is the expression I think.

But trying too hard has an upside and a downside... I set a goal to do an obe... with RB material and was quite intense... bang I had a sudden obe... into an office building somewhere... then I snapped back and was unable to do it again for months...

but intensity is a part of it... I am now aware of a level of intensity that just kind of is below the surface...

so trying hard has a technique to it that is kind of like walking a tight rope... but, you will get the feel of it as you go forward.

S.


Yes, that is a great point. I agree with that, and the tightrope comment is a great analogy. Perhaps I am leaning more towards the trying too hard side of things, but I guess my point is you do have to try at least a little. :)

In time I will find the balance.


Hi Sag: Meditate on the difference with trying hard and intensity. They are two different things...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 15th, 2010 at 5:02pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2010 at 4:39pm:
Hi Sag: Meditate on the difference with trying hard and intensity. They are two different things...
S.


Interesting, that definitely makes me think. Thanks. I think the point you're making is that you can be intense yet go with the flow. Whereas trying hard is sort of like fighting the current.

I will give it more thought though. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 16th, 2010 at 12:31pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 2

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I was able to relax a little bit deeper with bwgen, although I’m still having trouble clearing my thoughts when focusing on breath awareness.
    * More muscles were tensed/relaxed today for body relaxation today, and I’m thinking this is a trend in the book.
    * Energy work focused on sponging/brushing body awareness on my thumbs. It worked pretty well for me without any difficulties, and I felt tingling/buzzing in my thumbs because of it. It’s a very peculiar reaction to just pure thought, and it even lasts for a good few minutes after I’ve stopped thinking about it.

Dream Notes:

    * Keywords: backpack, garage door
    * I remember something about my garage being broken into with me being close by. There were more details but I’ve forgotten them now.
    * I really have to get into the habit of fleshing out my keywords into better descriptions as soon as I write the keywords down. I find myself forgetting the details behind the keywords when I come back to write more later. I find it pretty difficult to force myself to write just after waking up.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Alan McDougall on Mar 16th, 2010 at 1:13pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 16th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 2

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I was able to relax a little bit deeper with bwgen, although I’m still having trouble clearing my thoughts when focusing on breath awareness.
    * More muscles were tensed/relaxed today for body relaxation today, and I’m thinking this is a trend in the book.
    * Energy work focused on sponging/brushing body awareness on my thumbs. It worked pretty well for me without any difficulties, and I felt tingling/buzzing in my thumbs because of it. It’s a very peculiar reaction to just pure thought, and it even lasts for a good few minutes after I’ve stopped thinking about it.

Dream Notes:

    * Keywords: backpack, garage door
    * I remember something about my garage being broken into with me being close by. There were more details but I’ve forgotten them now.
    * I really have to get into the habit of fleshing out my keywords into better descriptions as soon as I write the keywords down. I find myself forgetting the details behind the keywords when I come back to write more later. I find it pretty difficult to force myself to write just after waking up.


It is usually fear of the unknown that blocks the way into a deep and profound OOBE. The only time I had a really deep OOBE was during a near death event

Blessings and Light

Alan

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 16th, 2010 at 3:50pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 16th, 2010 at 12:31pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 2

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I was able to relax a little bit deeper with bwgen, although I’m still having trouble clearing my thoughts when focusing on breath awareness.
    * More muscles were tensed/relaxed today for body relaxation today, and I’m thinking this is a trend in the book.
    * Energy work focused on sponging/brushing body awareness on my thumbs. It worked pretty well for me without any difficulties, and I felt tingling/buzzing in my thumbs because of it. It’s a very peculiar reaction to just pure thought, and it even lasts for a good few minutes after I’ve stopped thinking about it.

Dream Notes:

    * Keywords: backpack, garage door
    * I remember something about my garage being broken into with me being close by. There were more details but I’ve forgotten them now.
    * I really have to get into the habit of fleshing out my keywords into better descriptions as soon as I write the keywords down. I find myself forgetting the details behind the keywords when I come back to write more later. I find it pretty difficult to force myself to write just after waking up.


Hi M: Just a suggestion... as you go along you may have incidents which you would rather not share with the forum... what I do is post the whole session and then (expletive deleted or cia black out method) that way the session flow is not interupted or lack continuity... will be good for the any researcher to understand the flow and how it transpired... if you leave out whole sections without a heads up to the reader the thrust gets lost.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 16th, 2010 at 3:57pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 16th, 2010 at 3:50pm:
Hi M: Just a suggestion... as you go along you may have incidents which you would rather not share with the forum... what I do is post the whole session and then (expletive deleted or cia black out method) that way the session flow is not interupted or lack continuity... will be good for the any researcher to understand the flow and how it transpired... if you leave out whole sections without a heads up to the reader the thrust gets lost.

S.


Good point. I'll do that from now on.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 17th, 2010 at 11:00am
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 3

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I should note that I’ve been doing the afternoon exercises in the evening after work. I won’t be doing any morning work until the exit techniques start coming up.
    * While listening to bwgen, I use the time for meditation where I focus on my breath. I was especially tired today because I had just finished working out, so I found it easier to relax. There was a point today where the darkness I typically see with my closed eyes got brighter and became a more pure/solid color. That was pretty interesting but as soon as I focused on it, it slipped away. I felt a little different when that happened, but it’s hard to describe other than using the word “good” or “peaceful”.
    * While doing the energy work on my right thumb I found that my left thumb would start tingling, just like MAP says it might. I didn’t read about that until after it happened, so that was some helpful validation of my experience. I even felt my other fingers start to tingle as well.
    * Body awareness of my big toes was harder than my thumbs.

Dream Notes:

    * Keywords: table, chair, family, angry, apologize
    * I keep seeing one of my best childhood friends’ parents in my dreams, and they always seem to be there to tell me something. This is probably the 4th or 5th time it has happened recently. I don’t really understand why it’s those people in particular though giving me these messages. I usually end up forgetting the message by the time I wake up, although not always. One particular message was something along the lines of “People are different colors”, which I believe was another way of saying that everyone is different, unique, and yet the same. Another message had to do with peace between nations.
    * The particular dream I remembered today was me arguing over something with close friends and family at a table. I got frustrated, got up from the table, and pushed the chair in. Immediately afterward, for whatever reason, I understood and apologized… then woke up.

One thing I should add that’s worth mentioning is that I had a bit of an intuitive/psychic event happen to me. As I sat down to use my 4-year old Xbox 360 for media streaming I had this weird thought about the Xbox 360 breaking and how it was a single point of failure for me. I usually don’t think about that so I thought it was a weird thought. Sure enough, I got the red ring of death shortly after I turned the Xbox on and had to get it replaced.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 17th, 2010 at 1:01pm
Hi M: Do you have Bruce Moen's - Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook? You seem dedicated enough and determined enough to get some serious results from 90 days. You are going to encounter an interesting phenomena... a new you... AKG addresses this problem in chapter 4, part I - beliefs. especially p. 56.

I won't go into any more detail but... this is just a heads up.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 17th, 2010 at 2:09pm
Yeah, I bought Bruce's first book so far and actually started reading it today (I finished Astral Dynamics last night). I'm like Bruce's style of writing so far, because I'm an engineer as well.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 18th, 2010 at 1:24pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 4

Program Notes/Observations:

    * The relaxation I(stretching) exercises basically went through my whole body this time. No difficulties there.
    * BWGen worked well again but I did not go as deep as yesterday, likely because I didn’t work out right beforehand.
    * The energy work/body awareness today spread to all the toes. The tingling was super intense after the exercise, almost like my toes were on fire. There’s definitely something unusual going on with tactile imaging!

Dream Notes:

    * Dream Keywords: Steve Pavlina, battle against really big guy, internet, warehouse
    * The first dream is a little too personal so I’m leaving it out. The second dream involved me stuck in a warehouse all of a sudden, and then a really big guy faced me. He was approaching me and I felt like he was going to attack me. I decided not to fight him and got out.. somehow.
    * I’m not sure what’s with all the more negative/intense dreams lately. Usually they’re not like that.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 18th, 2010 at 7:28pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 1:24pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 4


    * I’m not sure what’s with all the more negative/intense dreams lately. Usually they’re not like that.


Again I suggest Bruce Moen's - Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook you may find some answers in Part I - Concepts of Consciousness - chap 4 - beliefs... special attention to p. 56.

It is only going to get more intense and surprising..  :)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 18th, 2010 at 9:13pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 7:28pm:
Again I suggest Bruce Moen's - Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook you may find some answers in Part I - Concepts of Consciousness - chap 4 - beliefs... special attention to p. 56.

It is only going to get more intense and surprising..  :)

S.


Point taken. :)

I will definitely add it to my list of books to read on this topic. Do you recommend that I skip the first 4 volumes from Bruce and just go straight to that one?

The feeling I get is that the first 4 are just his stories while the guidebook is practical and "standalone". Is this correct?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:24pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 9:13pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 7:28pm:
Again I suggest Bruce Moen's - Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook you may find some answers in Part I - Concepts of Consciousness - chap 4 - beliefs... special attention to p. 56.

It is only going to get more intense and surprising..  :)

S.


Point taken. :)

I will definitely add it to my list of books to read on this topic. Do you recommend that I skip the first 4 volumes from Bruce and just go straight to that one?

The feeling I get is that the first 4 are just his stories while the guidebook is practical and "standalone". Is this correct?


Hi M: You've started down the experiential path... yes, if your budget is tight... AKG will definitely be the best parallel text to help you with some very powerful inner awakenings... that will give you an easier road to hoe... two thing in akg are helpful... in experiential practice... understanding belief systems... and how to change a belief system... your fundamental belief systems are going to be challenged in spades and your present ego isn't going to give up easily.. that is my opinion.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:35pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:24pm:
Hi M: You've started down the experiential path... yes, if your budget is tight... AKG will definitely be the best parallel text to help you with some very powerful inner awakenings... that will give you an easier road to hoe... two thing in akg are helpful... in experiential practice... understanding belief systems... and how to change a belief system... your fundamental belief systems are going to be challenged in spades and your present ego isn't going to give up easily.. that is my opinion.
S.


$$$ budget is ok but my time budget is not. I've got so many books I want to read that I have to be pretty picky. But I will bump this one up and get it ordered. Thanks for the advice.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 19th, 2010 at 1:56am

msagansk wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:35pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:24pm:
Hi M: You've started down the experiential path... yes, if your budget is tight... AKG will definitely be the best parallel text to help you with some very powerful inner awakenings... that will give you an easier road to hoe... two thing in akg are helpful... in experiential practice... understanding belief systems... and how to change a belief system... your fundamental belief systems are going to be challenged in spades and your present ego isn't going to give up easily.. that is my opinion.
S.


$$$ budget is ok but my time budget is not. I've got so many books I want to read that I have to be pretty picky. But I will bump this one up and get it ordered. Thanks for the advice.


Hi M: I think you have a project management critical path issue here... what is important to the success of your project in a just in time construct...? AKG has only one chapter and p. 56 that would be most helpful to the overall success of the project... your belief systems which you don't yet know are there to block your o.b.e. goal. Of all the material you have to read what would you chose to take a scapel to the right place or the fulcrum point to move the object?? That is the question... only you can answer it... !!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 19th, 2010 at 11:09am

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 1:56am:
Hi M: I think you have a project management critical path issue here... what is important to the success of your project in a just in time construct...? AKG has only one chapter and p. 56 that would be most helpful to the overall success of the project... your belief systems which you don't yet know are there to block your o.b.e. goal. Of all the material you have to read what would you chose to take a scapel to the right place or the fulcrum point to move the object?? That is the question... only you can answer it... !!!

S.


Are you basing what you think my belief systems are by what I've written so far? Do you see something that is going to really hold me back? Or do you mean this in a general sense that applies to everyone?

In any case I think you're right about the critical path. I just wasn't aware that that particular chapter/page would be that powerful for my experiment. I've ordered the book/cd/dvd together and will read what you've recommended once it arrives.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 19th, 2010 at 12:51pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 5

Program Notes/Observations:

    * While I was relaxing with bwgen I slipped into a couple mini-dreams that I quickly forgot after I remembered to focus on my breath. It was different from a normal dream though, because I was still aware of my body as I was having the dream. It’s hard to describe exactly how I was aware of my body yet not lucid in my dream.
    * The energy work/body awareness focused on both of my feet in their entirety. This was pretty intense, my feet almost felt like they were on fire by the end of it. The tingling and buzzing were very strong. Robert Bruce says this is normal when you’re just starting out though, because I’m clearing out energy blockages. It’s neat to be able to already verify what he says will happen with my own real experience, because this sort of intense tingling feeling isn’t something I’d expect to happen.

Dream Notes:

    * Dream Keywords: APEGM dinner, tammerism?, discussion in engineering, video game for sale
    * One of my dreams involved me sitting at a dinner table with my professional engineering peers, although I did not recognize anyone from the physical world. For whatever reason, words that don’t even exist kept being brought up throughout the dream. One of them was “tammerism”, and for whatever reason I thought I understood what that meant in the dream… but not now of course. There were other weird words but I do not remember them.

I finished Astral Dynamics and have started reading Bruce Moen’s first book. I also coincidentally received a shipment from Amazon with some fresh new books. They are:

    * Adventures Beyond the Body
    * The Secret of the Soul
    * The Power of Now
    * Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming

Needless to say I’ve got a full plate of reading for the next while. :)

Bruce Moen’s book is already pretty intense, and is way over my head. Not in the sense of me having trouble understanding it, but rather it would be something  more appropriate to me once I’ve had more OBE experience. I flipped through “Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming” and I think I will read it first,  because it seems like it does a better job of bridging the gap between science and the paranormal. In other words, it feels more “entry level” to me. I've ordered Bruce Moen's Guidebook today, so I will be working through that once it arrives.

I’m also building the habit of doing frequent reality checks during the day, so that I can do it during a dream and become lucid.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 19th, 2010 at 3:24pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 11:09am:
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Are you basing what you think my belief systems are by what I've written so far? Do you see something that is going to really hold me back? Or do you mean this in a general sense that applies to everyone?

In any case I think you're right about the critical path. I just wasn't aware that that particular chapter/page would be that powerful for my experiment. I've ordered the book/cd/dvd together and will read what you've recommended once it arrives.


Hi M: The general sense... I have no idea what your belief systems are but we all have a set of them and this work will challenge them and they will come up to be dealt with... don't want to say too much at this point... best to let you encounter them and see what happens..
LOL!!

Have you had spontaneous o.b.e. experiences sometime in your life??

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 19th, 2010 at 3:29pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 3:24pm:
Have you had spontaneous o.b.e. experiences sometime in your life??

S.


No. The closest I've come was waking up with sleep paralysis, being lucid, and yet having things about my bedroom look different (light peering through window was red).

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 19th, 2010 at 8:54pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 3:24pm:
Have you had spontaneous o.b.e. experiences sometime in your life??

S.


No. The closest I've come was waking up with sleep paralysis, being lucid, and yet having things about my bedroom look different (light peering through window was red).


Hi M: The sleep paralysis is a good thing... how did you react to it. You've read RB's idea of what is going on with sleep paralysis...?? And how to handle it??

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 20th, 2010 at 1:50pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 8:54pm:
Hi M: The sleep paralysis is a good thing... how did you react to it. You've read RB's idea of what is going on with sleep paralysis...?? And how to handle it??

S.


Yes I believe RB says that sleep paralysis is an indication of an OBE in progress, where the physical and astral bodies are very close together.

I think what I should have done is try an OBE exit attempt at the time, but I didn't know that then. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 20th, 2010 at 2:50pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 6

Program Notes/Observations:

    * Energy work and body awareness on both of my entire legs today. The energy work keeps getting more intense each day. Both of my legs were tingling and the soles of my feet felt like they were on fire almost. My feet are still tingling as I write this.
    * I am now fully relaxing my body as per the guidelines in MAP.

Dream Notes:

    * I didn’t remember any dreams last night! :( I’m not too sure why. Some mornings I just wake up and they’re gone.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 20th, 2010 at 4:09pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 19th, 2010 at 8:54pm:
Hi M: The sleep paralysis is a good thing... how did you react to it. You've read RB's idea of what is going on with sleep paralysis...?? And how to handle it??

S.


Yes I believe RB says that sleep paralysis is an indication of an OBE in progress, where the physical and astral bodies are very close together.

I think what I should have done is try an OBE exit attempt at the time, but I didn't know that then. :)


Hi M: Lol!! Read it again... you can't exit again because you are already o.b.e... you just have not transfered your point-of-consciousness into the astral body... the reason you are very aware of the paralysis is because the body is asleep and your poc is still in the fundamental energy body... that is my understanding..

Check my facts to be sure I have it right haven't thought about this in a while.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 20th, 2010 at 5:06pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 4:09pm:
Hi M: Lol!! Read it again... you can't exit again because you are already o.b.e... you just have not transfered your point-of-consciousness into the astral body... the reason you are very aware of the paralysis is because the body is asleep and your poc is still in the fundamental energy body... that is my understanding..

Check my facts to be sure I have it right haven't thought about this in a while.

S.


Yes you are correct I think. I guess what I meant was to try and change the poc by using an exit technique. But maybe that's not possible?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 20th, 2010 at 6:25pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 7

Program Notes/Observations

    * Energy work implemented “body bouncing” awareness in my legs. This feeling was pretty cool, you can definitely sense the energy movement through your legs.
    * Week 2 is coming up! I’m getting a little anxious to actually do some OBE exit techniques but taking it slow is probably best.

Dream Notes

    * This was a doozy. The relevant part to share was that I was in my bathroom during the dream looking at myself in the mirror. For whatever reason my dream mind suddenly asked to have an OBE. I looked away from the mirror, concentrated, and looked back at the mirror. In my astonishment I looked about 20 years older. Wrinkly but with a full head of grey hair, almost like Jay Leno haha. I became scared and said “ok ok, I get the point, please put me back” and everything was back to normal… in my dream that is.
    * The second part to the dream was me having a plugged toilet. I interpreted this as me trying to shed my old beliefs, but there’s so much of it that it’s getting clogged and will take time to get rid of. But I don’t really know if that’s what was meant, of course.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 20th, 2010 at 8:56pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 5:06pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 4:09pm:
Hi M: Lol!! Read it again... you can't exit again because you are already o.b.e... you just have not transfered your point-of-consciousness into the astral body... the reason you are very aware of the paralysis is because the body is asleep and your poc is still in the fundamental energy body... that is my understanding..

Check my facts to be sure I have it right haven't thought about this in a while.

S.


Yes you are correct I think. I guess what I meant was to try and change the poc by using an exit technique. But maybe that's not possible?


Hi M: As I recall RB doesn't recommend too much trying in a sleep paralysis situation... don't panic or struggle and wait for the astral body to return... and it will merge into the physical and get you back to normal...

The last time I had sleep paralysis it was part of a dream sequence in which I was attempting to escape from an elevator which was stuck and the door slid down on my chest and I couldn't squeeze out... I knew is was a sleep paralysis event...

Okay, answer this without looking it up... what are the four requisite elements for an o.b.e. to occur.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 20th, 2010 at 9:08pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 8:56pm:
Okay, answer this without looking it up... what are the four requisite elements for an o.b.e. to occur.

S.


Yeah I just ended up waiting and it went back to normal. The elevator dream sounds like it would be quite scary!

Ok I'm assuming you mean a conscious OBE. Just going from memory:

1. be in a trance state (body awake, mind asleep)
2. energy body creates expanded energy body
3. expanded energy body creates real-time/astral double
4. transfer of consciousness from physical body to double

Or were you getting at something else?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 21st, 2010 at 12:32am

msagansk wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 9:08pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 8:56pm:
Okay, answer this without looking it up... what are the four requisite elements for an o.b.e. to occur.

S.


Yeah I just ended up waiting and it went back to normal. The elevator dream sounds like it would be quite scary!

Ok I'm assuming you mean a conscious OBE. Just going from memory:

1. be in a trance state (body awake, mind asleep)
2. energy body creates expanded energy body
3. expanded energy body creates real-time/astral double
4. transfer of consciousness from physical body to double

Or were you getting at something else?


Hi M: Did you look it up?

1. 100% relaxation
2. create an astral double (out of the fundamental energy body)
3. able to tranfer poc into the astral double.
4. able to generate enough psychic energy to sustain the state.

This cold... check me out grade my performance LOL!!!

S.

Most of what you describe off the top of you head is the process of generating the astral body... good work tho...



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 21st, 2010 at 1:19am

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 12:32am:
Hi M: Did you look it up?

1. 100% relaxation
2. create an astral double (out of the fundamental energy body)
3. able to tranfer poc into the astral double.
4. able to generate enough psychic energy to sustain the state.

This cold... check me out grade my performance LOL!!!

S.

Most of what you describe off the top of you head is the process of generating the astral body... good work tho...


I didn't look any of it up. I did however read some of the technicalities in the OBE process in week 2 of MAP by RB earlier today so it was fresh in my mind.

To me there was more than 4 so I wasn't really sure which ones to pick. trance state = 100% relaxation to me, and I was going to say relaxation but I figured trance state was more accurate.

I was also thinking about having enough energy to remember the OBE, which is sort of what you said as 4.

So I was close! You are right yes, 100% :p

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 21st, 2010 at 1:41am
I was also thinking about having enough energy to remember the OBE, which is sort of what you said as 4.

Hi M: This is subtle... but, memory is automatic if you can get the poc into the astral body... but the energy to sustain the state is a problem... you finished Astraldynamics so you will remember the three energy storage areas... navel, heart area and throat I think... that stored energy is what is used to maintain the etheric body especially in the real time zone... once you get to the astral plane this is not as important... but if you want to visit girls in australia  :) like I did... you need a lot of psychic energy to maintain the real time zone double.

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 21st, 2010 at 12:47pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 1:41am:
I was also thinking about having enough energy to remember the OBE, which is sort of what you said as 4.

Hi M: This is subtle... but, memory is automatic if you can get the poc into the astral body... but the energy to sustain the state is a problem... you finished Astraldynamics so you will remember the three energy storage areas... navel, heart area and throat I think... that stored energy is what is used to maintain the etheric body especially in the real time zone... once you get to the astral plane this is not as important... but if you want to visit girls in australia  :) like I did... you need a lot of psychic energy to maintain the real time zone double.

S.


Ok I agree but Robert Bruce also talks a lot about "shadow memory download problems" because of the mind-split effect. So I'm not sure if it's entirely automatic.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 21st, 2010 at 11:50pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Week 2 Day 8

So I’m into week 2 now. The focus this week will be on enhancing the breathing exercises, calming the mind, and energy work for the upper body.

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I’m finding that the energy bouncing in my legs causes various leg muscles to twitch. It definitely feels like something is changing when I do this.
    * It was a little tough to bring body awareness to the back-side of my fingers. The sensations weren’t as intense as my feet were.
    * Increasing the depth of my breath during the breath awareness exercise felt pretty good.
    * While I was listening to bwgen, I would say “astral” to myself on an inhale and “projection” during the exhale, as suggested in MAP. I found this helped me to stay alert, although I did catch myself starting to daydream a few times still.

Dream Notes:

    * No dreams remembered this time again. I went out last night and did a little drinking/partying. I think the alcohol definitely affected my dream recall, for the worse.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:19am
I haven't read all the books you mentioned, but for me it helps to focus on the third eye yet look straight ahead (with eyes closed) looking beyond the tip of your nose.  Going numb is natural, I've heard, and for me, quite annoying, as I get very heavy/relaxed feeling yet my legs and extremities are tingling all over.

If you are interested in having an "interesting" experience while not attempting OOBE, I went to a Barbara Brennan school graduate who did some energy work on me (I've experienced Reiki as well) and I literally felt as though I was taking a rollercoaster ride! I felt hands on me that were not her's as well. It was a great confirmation for me that we are more than just bodies.

http://www.barbarabrennan.com/

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 2:37am

msagansk wrote on Mar 21st, 2010 at 11:50pm:
Dream Notes:

    * No dreams remembered this time again. I went out last night and did a little drinking/partying. I think the alcohol definitely affected my dream recall, for the worse.


Hi M: I don't know this for sure because I gave up alcohol a long time ago... but, alcohol is the worst thing you can do for this work... sorry about that... even drugs like lsd, marijana (??) are better since they attenuate the ego enough to give you a glimse into the higher levels... but alcohol has a delitirous effect... but, as I said I don't know with for sure... Robert Monroe suggest not doing o.b.e. work for at least an hour after drinking coffee... I drink coffee and have not seen any effect on meditation sessions... but I don't know if I work within the or after an hour... I don't drink a full cup at any sitting...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 9:32am
Yeah, I don't drink alcohol very often but I should probably avoid it during this trial.

OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 9

Program Notes/Observations

    * I found it really hard to find the time to do all the exercises today. I probably rushed through them a little faster than I should have. It almost seemed like the universe was conspiring to derail my practice today.
    * Energy work moved to the arms, I didn’t feel too much tingling there, just a localized heaviness.

Dream Notes:

    * Wow, I remembered around 5-6 dreams last night! I wrote a full page of notes in my journal but I’m not going to write it all out here.
    * In one of the dreams, there were about 4 people who had attracted attention in a crowd. Someone said something about making them levitate, so I thought “what the heck, I’ll try and make one of them levitate”. So I closed my dream eyes and focused hard. I heard some voices and then saw some weird (hypnagogic?) imagery with some very cool sounds. I think I might have felt a slight falling sensation, I’m not too sure. Next thing I know I try to open my eyes in the dream but it turns out I woke up.
    * I think one of my dream symbols is a video game/computer screen. They seem to show up in my dreams quite a bit. Perhaps I need to start doing reality checks whenever I look at a screen.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 9:35am

goobygirl wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:19am:
I haven't read all the books you mentioned, but for me it helps to focus on the third eye yet look straight ahead (with eyes closed) looking beyond the tip of your nose.  Going numb is natural, I've heard, and for me, quite annoying, as I get very heavy/relaxed feeling yet my legs and extremities are tingling all over.

If you are interested in having an "interesting" experience while not attempting OOBE, I went to a Barbara Brennan school graduate who did some energy work on me (I've experienced Reiki as well) and I literally felt as though I was taking a rollercoaster ride! I felt hands on me that were not her's as well. It was a great confirmation for me that we are more than just bodies.

http://www.barbarabrennan.com/


Yeah I've heard of Reiki but I haven't had any sort of exposure to it. It sounds interesting though.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:17pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 9:32am:
    * I found it really hard to find the time to do all the exercises today. I probably rushed through them a little faster than I should have. It almost seemed like the universe was conspiring to derail my practice today.
 


Hi M: Keep close tabs on this... the current ego is threatened and will begin to attempt to derail the work... time to bear down... and decide the exercises take precidence over anything and everything... the road is going to get bumpy... hang on..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:21pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:17pm:
Hi M: Keep close tabs on this... the current ego is threatened and will begin to attempt to derail the work... time to bear down... and decide the exercises take precidence over anything and everything... the road is going to get bumpy... hang on..

S.


Yeah it was crazy! I had people ringing my doorbell, phone calls, text messages, schedule changes, technical difficulties with my headphones, etc etc.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:35pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:21pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:17pm:
Hi M: Keep close tabs on this... the current ego is threatened and will begin to attempt to derail the work... time to bear down... and decide the exercises take precidence over anything and everything... the road is going to get bumpy... hang on..

S.


Yeah it was crazy! I had people ringing my doorbell, phone calls, text messages, schedule changes, technical difficulties with my headphones, etc etc.


Hi M: This may sound radical... but if you are serious... and you seem to have financial resources... rent a motel or hotel room for the 90 days... get up a hour or two earlier than you normally would... take no phones or means of communication go do your exercises...

There are two advantages to this... do you know the 'borderland'... the best time to do your exercises is in the morning... because you are very close to borderland... that is... still between worlds... and the astral body is loose... and accessible... as the day goes on it gets lost in the worlds noise... do that and you will progress very fast and stay off alcohol.

The other advantage is that you are telling the current ego in no uncertain terms you are the boss and you will brook no nonsense.


S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:45pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Hi M: This may sound radical... but if you are serious... and you seem to have financial resources... rent a motel or hotel room for the 90 days... get up a hour or two earlier than you normally would... take no phones or means of communication go do your exercises...

There are two advantages to this... do you know the 'borderland'... the best time to do your exercises is in the morning... because you are very close to borderland... that is... still between worlds... and the astral body is loose... and accessible... as the day goes on it gets lost in the worlds noise... do that and you will progress very fast and stay off alcohol.

The other advantage is that you are telling the current ego in no uncertain terms you are the boss and you will brook no nonsense.

S.


Thanks for the suggestion but renting a motel room is a little too radical for me, it would be too disruptive to my life. The way I look at it, is that I don't want this to take over my life. I'll have plenty of time for OBE when I'm dead. ;) I'm just exploring this to help me gain a greater perspective for the time I'm here.

By the end of next month my roommate will be gone and I'll have the house to myself, and it's not like he gets in the way either. So I don't think the motel part is as critical - but the getting up an hour or two earlier is.

I was planning to do my exercises in the early morning for the later weeks, when OBE exit techniques are actually used. The "wake back to bed" method is talked about for both lucid dreaming and astral projection, so it's definitely something I've wanted to do.

Right now, since it's just energy work, I didn't think it mattered too much when I did it (MAP suggests the afternoon).

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 23rd, 2010 at 11:58am
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 10

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I’m not finding the energy work with the arms to be as intense as the legs, but it’s still quite tingly.
    * I’m getting better at quieting my mind while meditating and listening to bwgen. It’s becoming a quite pleasant experience

Dream Notes:

    * I remembered 2 dreams last night. I had my sleep time cut short, to about 6 hours. I find this significantly cuts down on the number of dreams I have during the night. This agrees with what I have read in various places about dreaming – you tend to have more REM periods during the 6-8th hour of sleeping versus the beginning.
    * Dream symbol – videogame type sequences. This seems to crop up once a week or so, where I find myself playing some sort of video game like dream out. Usually they tend to be of the “First Person Shooter” variety. This aligns with my previously mentioned dream symbol of a computer/video screen.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 24th, 2010 at 6:39pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 11

Program Notes/Observations:

    * While I was listening to bwgen and meditating today, I think I got deeper than I ever have before. I started to feel “different”, with bursts of what felt like electricity going through my body. The blurry image I normally see with my closed eyes turned blue-ish, and I felt my heart (or heart chakra?) start to beat pretty quick. I was getting pretty excited so it stopped shortly afterward.
    * I find myself getting anxious with body relaxation and breath awareness exercises. I just want to “get through them” so I can get to the more interesting energy work.
    * During the energy work today, I felt what I think were energy blockages. One was in my left thigh, and the other in my neck. I’ve been told before that my throat chakra is relatively closed so perhaps that has something to do with it. Basically, I found it difficult to focus my body awareness through those 2 areas.

Dream Notes:

    * Just a couple cool dreams. One with me playing basketball and the other had me defending a castle. Nothing remarkably interesting to report.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on Mar 25th, 2010 at 12:26am
Hi Michael, here's something tricky I think:

Quote: "I find myself getting anxious with body relaxation and breath awareness exercises. I just want to “get through them” so I can get to the more interesting energy work."

The tricky thing is, you'll be "through" that (in a "accomplished" sense rather than a schedule sense) once you don't want anymore to go through it. It's like when you don't want to think of anything. Then you think "I don't want to think of anything, I don't want to ........." , or when you have problems with sleep and tell yourself "I wannna sleep! I wanna sleep!...." it will not work. That's what the breath awareness is for. Just awareness on the breath. Nothing else.

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 25th, 2010 at 9:31am

msagansk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:45pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Thanks for the suggestion but renting a motel room is a little too radical for me, it would be too disruptive to my life. The way I look at it, is that I don't want this to take over my life. I'll have plenty of time for OBE when I'm dead. ;) I'm just exploring this to help me gain a greater perspective for the time I'm here.


That’s fair enough… wasn’t sure what level of intensity and effort you wanted to put into the work. My suggestion was on the order of going to TMI for a week seminar and the like… the isolation will work wonders.



msagansk wrote on Mar 22nd, 2010 at 12:45pm:
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I was planning to do my exercises in the early morning for the later weeks, when OBE exit techniques are actually used. The "wake back to bed" method is talked about for both lucid dreaming and astral projection, so it's definitely something I've wanted to do.

Right now, since it's just energy work, I didn't think it mattered too much when I did it (MAP suggests the afternoon).

The general rule is that same time, same place builds power… whether that is true are not I don’t know since unless you live in a monastic environment dedicated to the work… one does not really have a data base that would identify what works overall… Like you I live in the world and that kind of controls what you can and can not do…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 25th, 2010 at 10:51am

spooky2 wrote on Mar 25th, 2010 at 12:26am:
Hi Michael, here's something tricky I think:

Quote: "I find myself getting anxious with body relaxation and breath awareness exercises. I just want to “get through them” so I can get to the more interesting energy work."

The tricky thing is, you'll be "through" that (in a "accomplished" sense rather than a schedule sense) once you don't want anymore to go through it. It's like when you don't want to think of anything. Then you think "I don't want to think of anything, I don't want to ........." , or when you have problems with sleep and tell yourself "I wannna sleep! I wanna sleep!...." it will not work. That's what the breath awareness is for. Just awareness on the breath. Nothing else.

Spooky


True enough.

OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 12

Program Notes/Observations

    * I found it pretty hard to meditate today while listening to bwgen, as I am extra tired today. I worked an overtime shift for my job last night so my sleep schedule was thrown off.
    * When I was listening to bwgen, I had wondered if the 20 minutes were up and grabbed for my egg timer to check. As soon as I touched the egg timer, it went off. I thought it was a funny coincidence, and I suppose some people might take that as being potentially pre-cognitive.
    * While doing the fully body bounce energy work today my whole body felt like it was vibrating at a slow rhythm. It didn’t feel like the rhythm from a heart beat either.

Dream Notes:

    * 2 dreams remembered. Once was related to work but the second one was me exploring this cave full of glass/crystal artifacts. One of them was a very pretty looking crab.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 26th, 2010 at 4:18pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 13

Program Notes/Observations:

    * While I was meditating with bwgen, I had this visual come to me of an outline of a human being lying down. No features or anything, just the outline. The peculiar thing was that the person had a void/vortex around his solar plexus. The words “Go Inward” came to mind.
    * The energy work is getting easier. The feeling isn’t as intense now, as to be expected according to MAP. I find it easier to focus on my right side rather than my left though. The whole body bouncing can be a little difficult.

Dream Notes:

    * No dreams remembered, damn. I really have to set the intention each night to remember my dreams… I can’t seem to slack off yet and have it happen automatically. I’m thinking I’ll try working the “wake back to bed” method into my sleeping routine.
    * I’d really like to have a lucid dream and am still trying to build “reality checks” as a habit.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 28th, 2010 at 3:49pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Week 3 Day 16

The past few days have focused on a lot of full-body awareness/energy raising through “full-body bounces”. The energy work has become easier to do each day, but there are also new techniques being added to learn each day – so there’s always a fresh challenge.

With my dreams, I’m definitely seeing video games as a dreamsign. I used to play video games quite a bit but not so much anymore – I just have to learn to ask myself if I’m dreaming each time I look at a screen. Another frequent dreamsign for me seems to be having people ask me questions. Almost every night I notice that someone from my past asks me a question. Perhaps I can gain lucidity if I remember to ask myself if I’m dreaming everytime someone asks me a question – but I’m not really sure if that’s practical.

Week 3

This week’s focus is on energy raising for the 3 primary energy storage centers, as well as more work on achieving mental clarity/focus (meditation). This program seems to have a nice steady build up of the prerequisite skills in having an OBE, although not actually practicing OBE attempts is a little frustrating. The time each day’s exercises take up is increasing as well, and that’s starting to take a toll on my daily schedule. I’m not doing all the optional exercises as I simply don’t have time to do them, although I do what I can and am doing more than the bare minimum.

With bwgen, there’s a new preset added to listen to before bed that’s supposed to help with lucid dreaming. I’ll give it a shot.

Day 16 Program Notes/Observations:

    * My head felt especially clear after doing the “full-body circuit” energy work.
    * Using the ring technique, I was able to keep my mind clear for almost 30 seconds at the maximum. I would say the average time was about 20 seconds of nothing but me focusing on my breath before other thoughts would enter my mind.

Dream Notes:

    * Video game dream sign and question dream sign occurred again. I would have never realized these dream signs before if it wasn’t for my dream journal. Before I started writing in my dream journal I was a little skeptical that I had any dream signs in the first place.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Alan McDougall on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:01am
Hi I have experienced an OOBE  a few times, it always involved sleep paralysis or hypnagogic sleep. Wait until you are in this state and an intense buzzing effects your body, at this stage you must not get afraid but try to slip out of your body.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Alan McDougall on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:27am

msagansk wrote on Mar 13th, 2010 at 1:51pm:
I want to do a 90-day trial to achieve my first out of body experience (OBE).

History

For the past 10 years I’ve had an off and on interest in astral projection. I first heard about the concept in high school when I looked up a psy-trance music group that I was interested in at the time, which were aptly called “Astral Projection”. Naturally, a Google search for those two words led me to the other meaning – out of body experience.

I became quite interested in the topic and read a couple books on the subject. I tried some techniques and had some interesting experiences but I never fully got there. For whatever reason I lost interest for a while and decided to put OBE’s on the back burner.

Over the years I’d periodically regain some interest, read more about it, and try some techniques. Without much initial success I became impatient and would move on to other things. For whatever reason though, I found myself coming back to the concept over and over. Eventually I came across the work done by Robert Monroe, and read his three books:

   1. Journeys Out of the Body
   2. Far Journeys
   3. Ultimate Journey

I was completely blown away. The stories were so amazing I wondered how anyone could make them up. Then I discovered that the institute he created, The Monroe Institute, was still alive and going strong. Supposedly, people are learning how to do this all the time!

I decided that it was worth pursuing completely. As I’ve matured I’ve realized that anything worth doing usually takes persistence and patience. This 90-day trial also fits into Steve Pavlina’s success strategy of 30-day trials, so I’ve decided to really give this my all and see if I really am “more than my physical body”.

Strategy

The plan I will be using is from Robert Bruce’s and Brian Mercer’s book, “Mastering Astral Projection” (MAP). That book provides a 90-day guide to having an out of body experience, which includes:

    * affirmations
    * writing in a journal
    * dream recall
    * relaxation exercises
    * breath work
    * mind taming (i.e. meditation)
    * energy work (i.e. chakras)
    * binaural beats
    * exit techniques

I have read many books on out of body experiences but I’ve never come across one with such a structured, day-by-day guide. I feel like this book will help stack the deck in my favor, giving me the best possible chance at an OBE. Note that each day will be different, so it differs from typical 30-day habit forming trials.

The plan is to follow the book as closely as possible to see its effectiveness. However, since I haven’t read the entire book yet I can’t guarantee I’ll follow it completely. One basic change I’ll have to make from the start is that some exercises that are meant to be done in the afternoon will likely be done in the morning, due to my schedule.

For the most part I’m coming into this trial as a newbie. I’ve been doing some meditating everyday for the past few weeks which will help with taming my mind, but that’s about it.

MAP itself suggests reading other books during this trial, to really saturate the subconscious mind, so I’ve queued up:

    * Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce (read about 50% so far at the time of this posting)
    * Adventures Beyond the Body and The Secret of the Soul by William Buhlman
    * Voyages into the Unknown, Volume 1 by Bruce Moen (I will probably get the other 4 volumes as wanted)

I’ve also signed up to various forums and communities about Astral Projection/OBE’s to try and soak up as much knowledge as I can about the subject.

Motivation


So why am I doing this? Well some people might say that it’s all just mind games, but I believe it could lead to a verification of the after-life. At the very least, I will have much more evidence supporting the belief that I am more than my physical body.

Lately I’ve been exploring what spirituality is, as I used to be an atheist. I am a pretty left-brained and a scientific/analytical type of mind, so this type of verification of a spiritual topic would be a huge validation of my beliefs. It’s one thing to believe that you have a “spirit”, but it’s an entirely different thing to know.

I feel like astral projection is almost like a Pandora’s Box for me, which could lead to a very cool spiritual journey. Some people may think it’s weird or question the whole point of exploring anything not in the “real world”. I could probably write a whole post on that point of view, but I think that growing consciously is really the whole point of life to begin with. Why close your mind off from the whole package?

Other than that, I just find this topic interesting even as a mental exercise. I’m also a pretty curious person, and I like exploring topics that are on the edges of social norms.

Public Posting

I will be posting about my experiences over the 90 days. According to the book, each week will contain a different focus so posts will be weekly at the very least. I’ll try to post daily as long as there is something interesting to report.

I’m making this experience public for many reasons, which includes:

    * increasing my chances for success. Having people read and rely on my progress will give me extra motivation to follow through with the whole 90 days.
    * exposing more of who I really am, and what I am interested in. I’m sure I’ll attract other like-minded individuals who I can share and grow with.
    * helping others who want to explore out of body experiences. This is a pretty nice topic, so the more information out there, the better.
    * having writing from a newbies point of view. Writing’s on how to achieve an OBE from the perspective of a person who has them regularly is never the same as one starting from the beginning.

Wish me luck. I’ll be starting day 1 this weekend. I’d be happy to read your thoughts. :)

Dr. Timothy Leary's LSD Research

 

The following is an excerpt from Ralph Metzner's excellent book, The Psychedelic Experience. It is based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead and co-authored by the late Timothy Leary.

A psychedelic experience is a journey to new realms of consciousness. The scope and content of the experience is limitless, but its characteristic features are the transcendence of verbal concepts, of space-time dimensions, and of the ego or identity.

Such experiences of enlarged consciousness can occur in a variety of ways: sensory deprivation, yoga exercises, disciplined meditation, religious or aesthetic ecstasies, or spontaneously.

Most recently they have become available to anyone through the ingestion of psychedelic drugs such as LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT, etc.

Of course, the drug does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key - it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures.

The nature of the experience depends almost entirely on set and setting. Set denotes the preparation of the individual, including his personality structure and his mood at the time. Setting is physical - the weather, the room's atmosphere; social - feelings of persons present towards one another; and cultural - prevailing views as to what is real. It is for this reason that manuals or guide-books are necessary.

Their purpose is to enable a person to understand the new realities of the expanded consciousness, to serve as road maps for new interior territories which modern science has made accessible.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:10am

msagansk wrote on Mar 20th, 2010 at 6:25pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 7


    * This was a doozy. The relevant part to share was that I was in my bathroom during the dream looking at myself in the mirror. For whatever reason my dream mind suddenly asked to have an OBE. I looked away from the mirror, concentrated, and looked back at the mirror. In my astonishment I looked about 20 years older. Wrinkly but with a full head of grey hair, almost like Jay Leno haha. I became scared and said “ok ok, I get the point, please put me back” and everything was back to normal… in my dream that is.


excerpted: Dr. David Hawkins - I / Subjectivity and Reality: The world of the ego is like a house of mirrors through which the ego wanders, lost and confused, as it chases the images in one mirror after another.

What do you think?

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:16am

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:10am:
excerpted: Dr. David Hawkins - I / Subjectivity and Reality: The world of the ego is like a house of mirrors through which the ego wanders, lost and confused, as it chases the images in one mirror after another.

What do you think?

S.


Not much to be honest. I've never really fully understood what the ego is.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 12:44pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:16am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:10am:
excerpted: Dr. David Hawkins - I / Subjectivity and Reality: The world of the ego is like a house of mirrors through which the ego wanders, lost and confused, as it chases the images in one mirror after another.

What do you think?

S.


Not much to be honest. I've never really fully understood what the ego is.


Hi M: Pretty soon you will find out.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:05pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:16am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:10am:
excerpted: Dr. David Hawkins - I / Subjectivity and Reality: The world of the ego is like a house of mirrors through which the ego wanders, lost and confused, as it chases the images in one mirror after another.

What do you think?

S.


Not much to be honest. I've never really fully understood what the ego is.


The 'ego' (note I use lower case - this is important)... is not a thing per se it is a structure... like roots of a tree system... the roots are beliefs... and they go everywhere and affect everything in some fashion... but, you have these positions which the belief root system feeds... if your positions are held you feel good... if they get thwarted you feel bad... when you can't quickly turn off the upset situation you are controled by the need.

For example I like the program NCIS (being a military guy) it fits my ideas of military life and military justice... if I suddenly discover my program is preempted I get very upset... in the past it would take days to get over it... now I take everything in stride because I know how to adjust my positionality and CAN adjust my positionality... there is a difference between knowing what to do and doing it... I just took a bite of a chocolate bar... it would be better if I took no more bites... but when I finish this posting I probably WILL take another bite and probably finish it... can I walk away... yes... I quite smoking cold turkey.

the ego is the implus that must be satisfied or it goes berserk (hmmm where have I seen that word before... 8-) )

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:54pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:05pm:
The 'ego' (note I use lower case - this is important)... is not a thing per se it is a structure... like roots of a tree system... the roots are beliefs... and they go everywhere and affect everything in some fashion... but, you have these positions which the belief root system feeds... if your positions are held you feel good... if they get thwarted you feel bad... when you can't quickly turn off the upset situation you are controled by the need.

For example I like the program NCIS (being a military guy) it fits my ideas of military life and military justice... if I suddenly discover my program is preempted I get very upset... in the past it would take days to get over it... now I take everything in stride because I know how to adjust my positionality and CAN adjust my positionality... there is a difference between knowing what to do and doing it... I just took a bite of a chocolate bar... it would be better if I took no more bites... but when I finish this posting I probably WILL take another bite and probably finish it... can I walk away... yes... I quite smoking cold turkey.

the ego is the implus that must be satisfied or it goes berserk (hmmm where have I seen that word before... 8-) )

S.


Good post. Being an atheist/agnostic for the past 10 years or so along with rejecting any sort of mysticism is going to take some serious re-wiring for me.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 7:16pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:54pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 4:05pm:
The 'ego' (note I use lower case - this is important)... is not a thing per se it is a structure... like roots of a tree system... the roots are beliefs... and they go everywhere and affect everything in some fashion... but, you have these positions which the belief root system feeds... if your positions are held you feel good... if they get thwarted you feel bad... when you can't quickly turn off the upset situation you are controled by the need.

For example I like the program NCIS (being a military guy) it fits my ideas of military life and military justice... if I suddenly discover my program is preempted I get very upset... in the past it would take days to get over it... now I take everything in stride because I know how to adjust my positionality and CAN adjust my positionality... there is a difference between knowing what to do and doing it... I just took a bite of a chocolate bar... it would be better if I took no more bites... but when I finish this posting I probably WILL take another bite and probably finish it... can I walk away... yes... I quite smoking cold turkey.

the ego is the implus that must be satisfied or it goes berserk (hmmm where have I seen that word before... 8-) )

S.


Good post. Being an atheist/agnostic for the past 10 years or so along with rejecting any sort of mysticism is going to take some serious re-wiring for me.


It depends. Why were you atheist/agnostic... and which did you favor.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by StoneColdTrue on Mar 29th, 2010 at 7:46pm
So breaking the ego is breaking away from what is comfortable? If thats true then I am definitely breaking my ego. But I hope that by breaking the ego I do not lose my personality or what makes me me. I understand us being all connected but I dont like the idea that in that super conscious it just turns out it's one big thing controlling everything else. In other words, we're just a puppet for a puppet master and in breaking the conscious the puppet goes away and we find we were the lonely puppet master all along.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:38pm

StoneColdTrue wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 7:46pm:
So breaking the ego is breaking away from what is comfortable? If thats true then I am definitely breaking my ego. But I hope that by breaking the ego I do not lose my personality or what makes me me. I understand us being all connected but I dont like the idea that in that super conscious it just turns out it's one big thing controlling everything else. In other words, we're just a puppet for a puppet master and in breaking the conscious the puppet goes away and we find we were the lonely puppet master all along.


That is an interesting rationalization... until you surrender and experience the Oneness and come back out how do you know what you lose of don't lose... Ramakrishna was still Ramakrishna one who returned to talk about it... Echart Tolle was still Eckhart Tolle, Robert Monroe was still Robert Monroe and so on and so on... nothing is lost everything is gained and one goes on from that point... but this time knowing all the answers of how it all works.

But you do have to get past the bit of ego that says... I don't want to not exist... goodbye...

S

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:48pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 7:16pm:
It depends. Why were you atheist/agnostic... and which did you favor.

S.


I was Christian, then agnostic, then atheist, then agnostic, in that order.

Now I'm merely a believer in that we're more than our physical bodies and I do believe in a "source". But I'd like to try and find out more rather than just believe, hence this thread. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:49pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:38pm:
But you do have to get past the bit of ego that says... I don't want to not exist... goodbye...


I've had trouble with this thought as well.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Starcraft on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:58pm
Closest I have ever been to OBE is high on DXM or salvia. If I try to concentrate and force an OBE I pretty much am just making crap up in my head instead of really being OBE I am pretty much fooling myself... you know? /shrug.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by StoneColdTrue on Mar 29th, 2010 at 9:01pm
As long as I can still hang out with other consciousness and enjoy company I'm all good.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 29th, 2010 at 9:01pm

wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:58pm:
Closest I have ever been to OBE is high on DXM or salvia. If I try to concentrate and force an OBE I pretty much am just making crap up in my head instead of really being OBE I am pretty much fooling myself... you know? /shrug.


I'd rather not rely on drugs to alter my experiences.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 29th, 2010 at 9:03pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 17

Program Notes/Observations:

    * I think I’m going to start getting up earlier to do the exercises first thing in the morning. I’ve been doing them in the evening so far after a full days work, exercise, and supper. I find that my body and mind are too tired to focus well on mind taming. While listening to bwgen I found myself day dreaming and clicking out for long chunks of time, which is frustrating because it feels like wasted time.
    * Taming my mind with the ring technique was more variable today. I got up to 40 seconds but sometimes barely lasted a few.

Dream Notes:

    * I just had some fun sports related dreams last night.
    * I’m going to try the affirmation: “I am more and more conscious in my dreams” to improve my dream recall and also improve the chances of me becoming lucid. I kept waffling between two different affirmations to work on either separately. I feel like this one says it all.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Starcraft on Mar 29th, 2010 at 9:26pm
Of course, I was just mentioning the drugs as the closest I have ever been. In reality I wouldn't say they were even that close just closer to really experiencing it. DXM makes you feel like you are behind yourself controlling yourself with a controller. Salvia just plain ruins brain senses completely making you hallucinate.

So yeah. I have never had an OBE. I have "pretended" to be outside of my body seeing it. But that is all I consider it to be. /shrug

Actually I am not convinced that OBE's exist. (unless maybe you are dead)
I am also not convinced that Hypnosis exists either.

I think they are both examples of people utilizing super powered pretending skills.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 10:09pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 8:48pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 7:16pm:
It depends. Why were you atheist/agnostic... and which did you favor.

S.


I was Christian, then agnostic, then atheist, then agnostic, in that order.

Now I'm merely a believer in that we're more than our physical bodies and I do believe in a "source". But I'd like to try and find out more rather than just believe, hence this thread. :)


Well, in my opinion, your belief system in this respect is not going to be the problem... you have already discovered that there is a difference between spirituality and religion...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 29th, 2010 at 10:17pm

wrote on Mar 29th, 2010 at 9:26pm:
Of course, I was just mentioning the drugs as the closest I have ever been. In reality I wouldn't say they were even that close just closer to really experiencing it. DXM makes you feel like you are behind yourself controlling yourself with a controller. Salvia just plain ruins brain senses completely making you hallucinate.

So yeah. I have never had an OBE. I have "pretended" to be outside of my body seeing it. But that is all I consider it to be. /shrug

Actually I am not convinced that OBE's exist. (unless maybe you are dead)
I am also not convinced that Hypnosis exists either.

I think they are both examples of people utilizing super powered pretending skills.


If and when you have a real o.b.e there will be no mistaking it.... you float up out of your physical body and you feel your p.o.c. move into the etheric double and you know you are outside the body...

what pretend does is 'prime the pump'... it is an exit technique to force an o.b.e... if you do it with confidence and belief you will project...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Starcraft on Mar 30th, 2010 at 3:25am
I see......well... regardless...

no offense is intended at all either, I just don't believe.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 30th, 2010 at 10:15am

wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 3:25am:
I see......well... regardless...

no offense is intended at all either, I just don't believe.


No offense intended, but then why are you here? I don't believe that you don't believe.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 30th, 2010 at 1:59pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 10:15am:

wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 3:25am:
I see......well... regardless...

no offense is intended at all either, I just don't believe.


No offense intended, but then why are you here? I don't believe that you don't believe.


Hi M: Here is a case of 'ego' kicking in... what part of you is offended or even cares that Starcraft is here on this board a non-believer or so he says...

Answer these questions for yourself:

1. How much emotion upset did I experience?
2. Do I feel a need to engage and convince?

(The need part is important as a points to some 'ego' root branch' which goes somewhere deep in your being.)

3. How long did I experience the upset?
a. did it stay with you for any length of time.
b. did your interpreter start spurting out streams of defensive arguements that you need to post etc...

You get the idea... now you are identifying your personal... 'ego' elements and you have tools to deal with them..

S.
4.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 30th, 2010 at 2:36pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 1:59pm:
Hi M: Here is a case of 'ego' kicking in... what part of you is offended or even cares that Starcraft is here on this board a non-believer or so he says...

Answer these questions for yourself:

1. How much emotion upset did I experience?
2. Do I feel a need to engage and convince?

(The need part is important as a points to some 'ego' root branch' which goes somewhere deep in your being.)

3. How long did I experience the upset?
a. did it stay with you for any length of time.
b. did your interpreter start spurting out streams of defensive arguements that you need to post etc...

You get the idea... now you are identifying your personal... 'ego' elements and you have tools to deal with them..

S.
4.


Haha yes, you got me. I don't really know what tools you are referring to though.

I guess I was just curious as to why a non-believer would spend time on a board like this, so I questioned whether he is truly a non-believer.

It ties into a more deep-rooted part of me that likes to do "intellectual" battles.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 30th, 2010 at 7:09pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 18

Program Notes/Observations:

    * Each day is taking me a solid hour of practice, plus about a half hour of reading time, affirmations, and these notes I’m writing. This is taking quite a bit of dedication, but I still feel pretty confident about getting through it. For anyone interested in OBE’s, it might be easier to just try some exit techniques right off the bat, just to get some experience and motivation to go through a program like this. Working on all the prerequisite skills for weeks at a time before knowing what you’re in for takes a lot of dedication.
    * I’m not too sure if the energy raising technique is doing much for me. The feeling is pretty subtle, although I do feel pretty good afterward.
    * Doing these exercises in the morning is going to take even more discipline as it’s a fairly sizable schedule change. I really need to do this though, because my mind is racing after a full day of work.

Dream Notes:

    * I haven’t gotten up early yet to do the wake back to bed method for lucid dreams, although I’m trying to work it into my schedule.
    * I’ve been waking up lately thinking I haven’t remembered my dreams. But once I lie there for a while and really think about it, bits and pieces start to come back. My lucidity in my dreams hasn’t increased lately though – I’ve sort of hit a wall with this.
    * I had another video-game-esque dream last night.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 30th, 2010 at 8:28pm

msagansk wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 7:09pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 18

Program Notes/Observations:

•      Each day is taking me a solid hour of practice, plus about a half hour of reading time, affirmations, and these notes I’m writing. This is taking quite a bit of dedication, but I still feel pretty confident about getting through it.


Your’re hitting the wall… in high school did you go out for organized sports… make the team and have the whole team depend on you as one of them… ??? Experience what it takes to practice, do home work and have a private life??

If you have no experience of this kind of dedication to a purpose this going to be a tough go… and will test all your will power.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 31st, 2010 at 12:11am

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 8:28pm:
Your’re hitting the wall… in high school did you go out for organized sports… make the team and have the whole team depend on you as one of them… ??? Experience what it takes to practice, do home work and have a private life??

If you have no experience of this kind of dedication to a purpose this going to be a tough go… and will test all your will power.

S.


I know I have a lot of power, so I meant it as more of an observation and I just wanted to vent. :)

You're correct in that I'm beginning to hit the wall. In the past this has been a problem for me, but yes I've been part of a team as you describe.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Berserk2 on Mar 31st, 2010 at 12:29am
I once recorded a tape of my own voice taking me down into a hypnotic state.  I found the script in a book on self-hypnosis.  I initially planted the suggestion on the tape that I have an erotic dream.  Then I reconsidered and planted the suggestion that I be able to explore via OBE.  That night, I floated up near the ceiing and looked down on my sleeping body.  I could see my messed up blankets and hair, but it was like looking at myself under water.  The light seemed rather wavy.  Then I tought I'd explore the astral world.  But something stopped me and told me I was bound by my original suggestion--an erotic adventure.  I was reluctant to do this because I was out of my body and might encounter real spirits.  Then I began to worry about returning to my body.  I floated down and draped myself over my physical body.  I tried to move my physical fingers, but only my spirit fingers moved.  I began to wonder if I had died!  I panicked and then woke up. 

I simulated the standard characteristics of an OBE.  I knew I was out of my body, or so I thought.  Later, I taught myself to create lucid dreams in which I knew I was dreaming in the dream.  This extremely vivid expeirenced reversed my perception of my OBE.  I now KNEW that I was having a lucid dream in that first apparent OBE and in all my ensuing OBEs!!
Lucid dreams adepts clain to have OBEs on demand, but insist that they are just--and I do mean just--lucid dreams faking OBEs.  For this reason, I am skeptical of your alleged OBE reports, particularly if you can't come up with striking paranormal verifications.

Don

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Volu on Mar 31st, 2010 at 7:47am
Hi Michael, hope I'm not hogging too much of your thread by making this reply.

Don,

"I simulated the standard characteristics of an OBE.  I knew I was out of my body, or so I thought.  Later, I taught myself to create lucid dreams in which I knew I was dreaming in the dream.  This extremely vivid expeirenced reversed my perception of my OBE.  I now KNEW that I was having a lucid dream in that first apparent OBE and in all my ensuing OBEs!!"

I like your matter of fact honesty of not editing out the original intent, and using discernment. In a lucid framework where thought/emotion become action/manifestation, there'd be a possibility of having a misunderstanding about the lush/scary scenario being something external, and that it's physical when it might be a duplication of the physical. In one of my early lucid explorations I rubbed "my hands" together and wanted to be the king of bonk in that playground. Fun for a while but went out of the house where this happened and did some flying in the landscape. Later I've noticed that houses and vehicles in dreams/the lucid area seem to suggest I'm then dealing with a body matter.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 31st, 2010 at 9:03am

msagansk wrote on Mar 31st, 2010 at 12:11am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 8:28pm:
Your’re hitting the wall… in high school did you go out for organized sports… make the team and have the whole team depend on you as one of them… ??? Experience what it takes to practice, do home work and have a private life??

If you have no experience of this kind of dedication to a purpose this going to be a tough go… and will test all your will power.

S.


I know I have a lot of power, so I meant it as more of an observation and I just wanted to vent. :)

You're correct in that I'm beginning to hit the wall. In the past this has been a problem for me, but yes I've been part of a team as you describe.


Questions: Have you felt 'The Fundamental Body' shift? Have you identified 'The Expanded Energy Body' expanding... ?

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Mar 31st, 2010 at 9:29am

msagansk wrote on Mar 30th, 2010 at 7:09pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 18

Program Notes/Observations:

•      Each day is taking me a solid hour of practice, plus about a half hour of reading time, affirmations, and these notes I’m writing. This is taking quite a bit of dedication, but I still feel pretty confident about getting through it.


Hi M: The main thing is getting through the daily exercises… are you using a Voice Activated Tape recorder and pin on mike? The best ones now are digital and you can create files which you put on paper at your leisure… posting here is not all that important in the big picture.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Berserk2 on Mar 31st, 2010 at 2:14pm
During an apparent OBE, I performed a retrieval of an ex-girldriend, Janet,  who committed suicide.  It was one of the most emotionally passionate experiences of my life.  Also, in an apparent OBE, I set across the table from a dear friend Ralph at an astral outdoor cafe at MIT!  The name of the cafe sounded similar to a real nearby cafe, but it was not the same.  I even poked Rallph in hist chest to see if he was solid!  He smiled at this dumb gesture. 

Ralph is a very bright guy who has battled a serious bipolar disorder ever since the demise of his first marriage.  When I lived in Cambridge, we became close friends and he called me twice a week.  His condition regularly disrupted his romantic relationships and he wanted me to advise him on this problem.  Eventually I insisted that he always make his own decisions.  I hate being put in a position of control.   But unfortunately Ralph's conditon then ruined a wonderful new marriage. 

When he showed up across the table from me, I was alarmed because I thought it meant he had died.  I desperately tried to determine if this were true, but was unable to locate him.  If our OBE encounter was real, it was a real treasure.

But I have reluctantly concluded that both my retrieval of Janet and my encounter with Ralph were merely lucid dreams fueled by my wishful thinking.  To believe I really contacted them would amount to elevating my need for reassurance above their wellbeing.  The loving thing to do is to assume I failed to contact them and, when I die, to actively seek contact with them and, if necessary, attempt a retrieval of them at that time.  Love requires us to prepare our hearts for the worst in uncertain situations, but to act on the assumption that there is still hope. 

Don

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Mar 31st, 2010 at 2:27pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Mar 31st, 2010 at 9:03am:
Questions: Have you felt 'The Fundamental Body' shift? Have you identified 'The Expanded Energy Body' expanding... ?


I think so, in the past. There haven't really been any OBE exit attempt exercises for this trial yet, so I have not felt it recently.

I felt some vibrations and the sinking/falling feeling last night as I was falling asleep though.


Quote:
Hi M: The main thing is getting through the daily exercises… are you using a Voice Activated Tape recorder and pin on mike? The best ones now are digital and you can create files which you put on paper at your leisure… posting here is not all that important in the big picture.


No I'm not using a voice activated tape recorder, although that's a good idea. Just pen and paper right now.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 1:51am
4/1/10 - afternoon session:

Hi M: This may be a bit above your pay grade, but, in my relaxation session precursor to some stuff I am doing… I discovered an articulated  mass which seems to reside in the sternal area… now, remember the heart chakra is the central engine of almost everything that happens in the upper realms… I have tentatively identified what I believe to be the gateway heart chakra energy uses to enter the physical realm

http://www.elrinajoubert-huebner.online.de/assets/images/carotid_and_aortic_bodies.jpg


The articulating masses may be those vagus nerve entry points (red) into the aortic bodies… now the exciting thing is this… I’ve been contacting the level… ( I have achieved a powerful level of relaxation which is on the verge of the first level of trance… because in one of the sessions in my AKG work… I relaxed specific muscle groups and realized eventually I will be able to relax every muscle group individual in some future time as I continue down this road… this may be the breakthrough area… I’m going to focus on it… because I believe if I breakthrough it… I will get into a the first level of trance state… this is important because I think this is the level that gives one control of The Fundamental Energy bodies mechanism for consciously and controlledly generating The Expanded Energy body… etc…

This is mostly automatic but, it probably is more powerful if you can gain conscious control of the process… this is exciting… but, the exercise that I am using is  Bruce Moen’s even breathing system… it is cut one on disc one… which you should either have or will be receiving shortly… it is better than any relaxation exercise I ever encountered.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:56am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 1:51am:
4/1/10 - afternoon session:

Hi M: This may be a bit above your pay grade, but, in my relaxation session precursor to some stuff I am doing… I discovered an articulated  mass which seems to reside in the sternal area… now, remember the heart chakra is the central engine of almost everything that happens in the upper realms… I have tentatively identified what I believe to be the gateway heart chakra energy uses to enter the physical realm

http://www.elrinajoubert-huebner.online.de/assets/images/carotid_and_aortic_bodies.jpg


The articulating masses may be those vagus nerve entry points (red) into the aortic bodies… now the exciting thing is this… I’ve been contacting the level… ( I have achieved a powerful level of relaxation which is on the verge of the first level of trance… because in one of the sessions in my AKG work… I relaxed specific muscle groups and realized eventually I will be able to relax every muscle group individual in some future time as I continue down this road… this may be the breakthrough area… I’m going to focus on it… because I believe if I breakthrough it… I will get into a the first level of trance state… this is important because I think this is the level that gives one control of The Fundamental Energy bodies mechanism for consciously and controlledly generating The Expanded Energy body… etc…

This is mostly automatic but, it probably is more powerful if you can gain conscious control of the process… this is exciting… but, the exercise that I am using is  Bruce Moen’s even breathing system… it is cut one on disc one… which you should either have or will be receiving shortly… it is better than any relaxation exercise I ever encountered.

S.


Something I left out and I don't know why... everytime I touch this thing is scares me... and I only get one pass in each session... I seem to think I will not be able to come back if I go through it... Die?? Not sure... but, I am going to work to get through this barrier.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 5:29pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:56am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 1:51am:
4/1/10 - afternoon session:

Hi M: This may be a bit above your pay grade, but, in my relaxation session precursor to some stuff I am doing… I discovered an articulated  mass which seems to reside in the sternal area… now, remember the heart chakra is the central engine of almost everything that happens in the upper realms… I have tentatively identified what I believe to be the gateway heart chakra energy uses to enter the physical realm

http://www.elrinajoubert-huebner.online.de/assets/images/carotid_and_aortic_bodies.jpg


The articulating masses may be those vagus nerve entry points (red) into the aortic bodies… now the exciting thing is this… I’ve been contacting the level… ( I have achieved a powerful level of relaxation which is on the verge of the first level of trance… because in one of the sessions in my AKG work… I relaxed specific muscle groups and realized eventually I will be able to relax every muscle group individual in some future time as I continue down this road… this may be the breakthrough area… I’m going to focus on it… because I believe if I breakthrough it… I will get into a the first level of trance state… this is important because I think this is the level that gives one control of The Fundamental Energy bodies mechanism for consciously and controlledly generating The Expanded Energy body… etc…

This is mostly automatic but, it probably is more powerful if you can gain conscious control of the process… this is exciting… but, the exercise that I am using is  Bruce Moen’s even breathing system… it is cut one on disc one… which you should either have or will be receiving shortly… it is better than any relaxation exercise I ever encountered.

S.


Something I left out and I don't know why... everytime I touch this thing is scares me... and I only get one pass in each session... I seem to think I will not be able to come back if I go through it... Die?? Not sure... but, I am going to work to get through this barrier.

S.



Interesting. Ya the book/CD's/DVD are on its way so I am hoping to get them next week. It seems like you might be on the forefront of having more control over the process.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:07pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 5:29pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:56am:
[quote author=7C4A5D4E5F47465C1E2F0 link=1268502700/94#94 date=1270187504]



S.



Interesting. Ya the book/CD's/DVD are on its way so I am hoping to get them next week. It seems like you might be on the forefront of having more control over the process.


In Astraldynamics... RB says in a controled o.b.e... the heart chakra, the throat chakra and the solar plexus chakra function together, but most of the heavy lifting is done by the heart chakra... he said he once had the experience of the heart chakra going berserk... do you think he thought he was having a heart attack... I now know from my morning session that is just what i am afraid of... inducing a heart attack... but, I also realize either I die physically and go to focus 27 or I get another level of control of the process... a win, win situation.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 9:35pm
I had once what was I think a heart chakra activation. At the time I did not know it, but I felt as though my "heart" was racing. I actually thought I was going to die. I was in the hospital and the staff had a heart monitor on me at one point. When I started feeling this euphoric feeling in my chest, I decided that I didn't care. Everything in my view was golden and I thought it was morning. Then I opened my eyes and saw it was actually evening and my husband was snoring next to me! I really made a conscious decision that if I were going to die, so be it. I didn't care.  I don't think you will kill yourself Seraphis, but I'm not making any promises... :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 3rd, 2010 at 1:42pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Week 3 Day 22

So the past few days has been met with me focusing on secondary energy center work and mind taming. I think I’ve definitely gotten better at both. The energy work/body awareness exercises come to me pretty easily now, and I can definitely feel different sorts of tingling/buzzing/warm sensations from practicing this.

In particular, I’ve felt a sense of pressure on my forehead during the energy work, which is supposedly where the third-eye chakra is. I haven’t even done any direct stimulation of that area yet, apart from some body awareness of my head entirely during a “full body bounce” in Mastering Astral Projection. I’m interested to see how this develops because this particular chakra supposedly has a deep connection with psychic abilities. I’ve also received intuitive readings in the past which have told me that my third-eye is unusually open.

There has been a slow but steady progression with my mind taming practice now. I’m getting to the point where I can definitely feel myself getting into a different state of being while meditating, and it’s quite enjoyable. The surface thoughts or “monkey mind” are losing their strength. Right now I find myself starting a random thought but catching myself in the process, usually stopping it before any sort of full blown thought “sentence” occurs. I am finding the meditation practice to be more effective in the morning.

As far as dreaming goes, the progress has been slower. As a positive, I find myself remembering dream fragments from more than one dream per night without too much effort. However, my attempts with the wake back to bed method haven’t been going too well. I guess I just like sleep too much :) .

I thought getting up for only a few minutes in the middle of the night would be enough to put myself in a state to practice lucid dreaming exercises, but it isn’t… I just end up falling back asleep right away. I can see why some people recommend getting up for a good 15-45 minutes. I also find myself getting a little lazy with writing all of what I remember from my dreams – more effort is needed here.

This weeks exercises focus on primary energy center (or major chakra) stimulation. I’m starting to get into the more interesting exercises and am getting closer to practicing OBE attempts, which is getting exciting. Today I stimulated the base chakra, and it was a very intense feeling. I still have some lingering doubts as to whether or not the body awareness is actually affecting any sort of “energy body” or whether it’s just the way the nervous system responds to prolonged awareness of a certain body area. The sensations are certainly unusual, but I think it will take a certain amount of belief for myself before I actually see the results from an actual OBE.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 3rd, 2010 at 2:51pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 3rd, 2010 at 1:42pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Week 3 Day 22

So the past few days has been met with me focusing on secondary energy center work and mind taming. I think I’ve definitely gotten better at both. The energy work/body awareness exercises come to me pretty easily now, and I can definitely feel different sorts of tingling/buzzing/warm sensations from practicing this.

In particular, I’ve felt a sense of pressure on my forehead during the energy work, which is supposedly where the third-eye chakra is. I haven’t even done any direct stimulation of that area yet, apart from some body awareness of my head entirely during a “full body bounce” in Mastering Astral Projection. I’m interested to see how this develops because this particular chakra supposedly has a deep connection with psychic abilities. I’ve also received intuitive readings in the past which have told me that my third-eye is unusually open.

There has been a slow but steady progression with my mind taming practice now. I’m getting to the point where I can definitely feel myself getting into a different state of being while meditating, and it’s quite enjoyable. The surface thoughts or “monkey mind” are losing their strength. Right now I find myself starting a random thought but catching myself in the process, usually stopping it before any sort of full blown thought “sentence” occurs. I am finding the meditation practice to be more effective in the morning.

As far as dreaming goes, the progress has been slower. As a positive, I find myself remembering dream fragments from more than one dream per night without too much effort. However, my attempts with the wake back to bed method haven’t been going too well. I guess I just like sleep too much :) .

I thought getting up for only a few minutes in the middle of the night would be enough to put myself in a state to practice lucid dreaming exercises, but it isn’t… I just end up falling back asleep right away. I can see why some people recommend getting up for a good 15-45 minutes. I also find myself getting a little lazy with writing all of what I remember from my dreams – more effort is needed here.

This weeks exercises focus on primary energy center (or major chakra) stimulation. I’m starting to get into the more interesting exercises and am getting closer to practicing OBE attempts, which is getting exciting. Today I stimulated the base chakra, and it was a very intense feeling. I still have some lingering doubts as to whether or not the body awareness is actually affecting any sort of “energy body” or whether it’s just the way the nervous system responds to prolonged awareness of a certain body area. The sensations are certainly unusual, but I think it will take a certain amount of belief for myself before I actually see the results from an actual OBE.


Hi M: There is no order in which things happen... they happen based on past life involvement with spiritual practice and the strength and weaknesses you bring into this life... it going to be purely random and surprising what happens next... try to get in to context rather than content.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 4th, 2010 at 10:37am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2010 at 2:51pm:
try to get in to context rather than content.
S.


Could you please elaborate on this further?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 4th, 2010 at 11:36am

msagansk wrote on Apr 4th, 2010 at 10:37am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 3rd, 2010 at 2:51pm:
try to get in to context rather than content.
S.


Could you please elaborate on this further?


Hi M: Content is phenomena liking experiencing the third eye activate. But there is a greater context which is the subjective reality of being aware that one has had the specific experience... when the third eye activated where was the sensation, how was it awaking relative to the specific physical organ it connected to...  it is a kind of expanding of consciousness to become superconsciousness... experiencing the totality seeing the specific (content) in relation to the whole (context).

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 4th, 2010 at 7:38pm
Ah ok, thanks. So I should be looking at things from a larger perspective to have things make more sense.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 4th, 2010 at 9:17pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 4th, 2010 at 7:38pm:
Ah ok, thanks. So I should be looking at things from a larger perspective to have things make more sense.


Not exactly looking... aware of being aware... like steppiing back... the watcher..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 4th, 2010 at 10:50pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:56am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 1:51am:
4/1/10 - afternoon session:

Hi M: This may be a bit above your pay grade, but, in my relaxation session precursor to some stuff I am doing… I discovered an articulated  mass which seems to reside in the sternal area… now, remember the heart chakra is the central engine of almost everything that happens in the upper realms… I have tentatively identified what I believe to be the gateway heart chakra energy uses to enter the physical realm

http://www.elrinajoubert-huebner.online.de/assets/images/carotid_and_aortic_bodies.jpg


The articulating masses may be those vagus nerve entry points (red) into the aortic bodies… now the exciting thing is this… I’ve been contacting the level… ( I have achieved a powerful level of relaxation which is on the verge of the first level of trance… because in one of the sessions in my AKG work… I relaxed specific muscle groups and realized eventually I will be able to relax every muscle group individual in some future time as I continue down this road… this may be the breakthrough area… I’m going to focus on it… because I believe if I breakthrough it… I will get into a the first level of trance state… this is important because I think this is the level that gives one control of The Fundamental Energy bodies mechanism for consciously and controlledly generating The Expanded Energy body… etc…

This is mostly automatic but, it probably is more powerful if you can gain conscious control of the process… this is exciting… but, the exercise that I am using is  Bruce Moen’s even breathing system… it is cut one on disc one… which you should either have or will be receiving shortly… it is better than any relaxation exercise I ever encountered.

S.



[quote author=24202A21282C253A282E28273A2220490 link=1268502700/103#103 date=1270424305]Ah ok, thanks. So I should be looking at things from a larger perspective to have things make more sense.



The Vagus Nerve:

The vagus nerve also called cranial nerve X, the Wanderer or sometimes the Rambler, is the tenth of twelve (excluding CN0) paired cranial nerves. Upon leaving the medulla between the olivary nucleus and the inferior cerebellar penduncle, it extends through the jugular foramen, then passing into the carotid sheath between the internal carotid artery and the internal jugular vein down below the head, to the neck, chest and abdomen, where it contributes to the innervation of the viscera. Besides output to the various organs in the body the vagus nerve conveys sensory information about the state of the body's organs to the central nervous system. 80-90% of the nerve fibers in the vagus nerve are afferent (sensory) nerves communicating the state of the viscera to the brain.[1]
The medieval Latin word vagus means literally "Wandering" (the words vagrant, vagabond, and vague come from the same root). Sometimes the branches are spoken of in the plural and are thus called vagi (pronounced /ˈveɪdʒаɪ/, us dict: vā′·jī). The vagus is also called the pneumogastric nerve since it innervates both the lungs and the stomach.




As you will note had I been focused only on content… when I first contacted the articulated mass I might have missed the greater significance of what his all means. The Vegus nerve is well named… the Wanderer… note its function… so when I intuited it may be the gateway to another level of trance this may be much more significant than one might guess or think at first glance… it is one of the 12 cranial nerves, which in some biblical symbology is one of the 12 apostles… or one of the twelve gates of Solomon’s temple… because of this discovery I am now focusing on attempting to penetrate this articulate mass… and see where it take me…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:14am
Ok well that's way beyond me at this point, but that's interesting.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:17am

msagansk wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:14am:
Ok well that's way beyond me at this point, but that's interesting.


LOL!! Essentially you have elected to take a tiger by the tail..! Hang on.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:43pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
4/5/10 - afternoon session:

The intimate connection between the fundamental energy body in my case is amazingly tenacious... or I may be trying to hard... but I made contact with the articulated mass again... this has to be the connection to the aortic mass... and the five vegus nerve connections make the whole thing seem like an articulating mass... then I carefully attempted to enter my consciousness into it... my breathing stopped momentarily... and then the throat chakra kicked in and I started coughing and that broke up the attempt...

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:06pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:43pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
4/5/10 - afternoon session:

The intimate connection between the fundamental energy body in my case is amazingly tenacious... or I may be trying to hard... but I made contact with the articulated mass again... this has to be the connection to the aortic mass... and the five vegus nerve connections make the whole thing seem like an articulating mass... then I carefully attempted to enter my consciousness into it... my breathing stopped momentarily... and then the throat chakra kicked in and I started coughing and that broke up the attempt...

S.


I find it pretty amazing you can get into such fine detail with the energy body, I didn't know that was possible. But then again I suppose people like Robert Bruce had to map it out somehow.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 6th, 2010 at 3:19am

msagansk wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:06pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:43pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
4/5/10 - afternoon session:

The intimate connection between the fundamental energy body in my case is amazingly tenacious... or I may be trying to hard... but I made contact with the articulated mass again... this has to be the connection to the aortic mass... and the five vegus nerve connections make the whole thing seem like an articulating mass... then I carefully attempted to enter my consciousness into it... my breathing stopped momentarily... and then the throat chakra kicked in and I started coughing and that broke up the attempt...

S.


I find it pretty amazing you can get into such fine detail with the energy body, I didn't know that was possible. But then again I suppose people like Robert Bruce had to map it out somehow.


Hi M: This is the road you are on... I haven't penetrated the mass yet... so until I do I haven't done anything.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 6th, 2010 at 2:57pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 25

Book Reading:

    * I’ve finished reading both “World of Lucid Dreaming” and “Adventures Beyond the Body”, and am currently starting “The Power of Now”.
    * World of Lucid Dreaming was good but it contained a lot of information I already knew, so it just filled in some gaps of my knowledge.
    * Adventures Beyond the Body was ok. I liked his dimensional model of the non-physical universe but there wasn’t very much meat to the book. I liked reading about his personal experiences but they didn’t really connect with the rest of his book very well. He makes some great arguments for the benefits of OBE’s but does little to back it up.
    * I’ve only started reading  “The Power of Now”, but I can already see the power behind this book. I think it will greatly help with my mind taming exercises.

Program Notes/Observations:

    * Primary energy center work this week so far has been quite productive. I have felt a lot of activity in my base chakra, little activity in my naval chakra, and a moderate amount in my solar plexus.

Dream Notes:

    * I had my first lucid dream last night ever since I’ve started this 90-day trial! That’s the third I’ve had in my lifetime.
    * I attribute my success this time primarily to the wake back to bed (WBTB) method. The reality checks, affirmations, and energy work also help as well of course. I fell asleep just after 11:00, woke up at around 3:30, stayed up for about 10 minutes (went to the bathroom, drank a glass of water), and then went back to bed. I focused my intention on holding my consciousness into my dream, repeating the affirmation “I am more and more conscious in my dreams” as I fell asleep.
    * At first I thought it was a Wake Induced Lucid Dream (WILD). But, after I woke up and thought about it some more, I think it was more likely a Dream Induced Lucid Dream (DILD). There was a small break in consciousness between being awake and asleep, but it was much smaller than usual, which I think helped me realize it was a dream right off the bat.
    * In the dream, I found myself lieing in my bed, but the room was different. A woman came out of a painting and materialized in front of me. I asked her if she is a spirit guide and she said “No, but my dad is”.
    * I then asked her “How do I know this is real?” She didn’t answer with words but just reached out and touched my base chakra. This was an incredibly intense feeling which almost made me wake up – I’m pretty sure I lost some lucidity after this as it sort of turned into a regular dream afterward.
    * The fact that she touched my base chakra was interesting because the base chakra has been the one I’ve activated the most with my energy work so far.
    * After I woke up, my base chakra throbbed quite intensely for about an hour and has mildly throbbed/felt active for the whole day so far.

It’s great to see some of this work starting to pay off. This has been quite exciting so far and I can’t wait to see where this goes!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Apr 6th, 2010 at 4:07pm
The adrenal gland is associated with the base chakra, so that's probably why you felt so energized!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 2:57pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 25

Book Reading:

    * I’ve finished reading both “World of Lucid Dreaming” and “Adventures Beyond the Body”, and am currently starting “The Power of Now”.
    * World of Lucid Dreaming was good but it contained a lot of information I already knew, so it just filled in some gaps of my knowledge.
    * Adventures Beyond the Body was ok. I liked his dimensional model of the non-physical universe but there wasn’t very much meat to the book. I liked reading about his personal experiences but they didn’t really connect with the rest of his book very well. He makes some great arguments for the benefits of OBE’s but does little to back it up.
    * I’ve only started reading  “The Power of Now”, but I can already see the power behind this book. I think it will greatly help with my mind taming exercises.


Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 6th, 2010 at 7:23pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm:
Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

S.


I have actually. :)

That's what sparked this whole quest in the first place, which is what I wrote in the first post. I'll forgive you for forgetting that. :P

I've listened to the first few tracks of the gateway before I decided to do the 90 day trial. I started to have some success but stopped doing it due to myself letting other things get in the way.

I definitely plan on doing it next.

I assume you meant the Gateway Experience CD's, not the Gateway Voyage. I'd like to go do the Gateway Voyage at TMI but that's a little out of my price range at the moment.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 6th, 2010 at 8:54pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 7:23pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm:
Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

S.


I have actually. :)

That's what sparked this whole quest in the first place, which is what I wrote in the first post. I'll forgive you for forgetting that. :P

I've listened to the first few tracks of the gateway before I decided to do the 90 day trial. I started to have some success but stopped doing it due to myself letting other things get in the way.

I definitely plan on doing it next.

I assume you meant the Gateway Experience CD's, not the Gateway Voyage. I'd like to go do the Gateway Voyage at TMI but that's a little out of my price range at the moment.


Hi M: Sorry about the lapse in memory... I read a lot of post and remember the details of few... that's why I ask redundant questions  :)

I have gateway experience... so I don't know which would be better... maybe others can advise you better...

But aim for a live seminar.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 7th, 2010 at 2:13am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 8:54pm:

msagansk wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 7:23pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm:
Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

S.


I have actually. :)

That's what sparked this whole quest in the first place, which is what I wrote in the first post. I'll forgive you for forgetting that. :P

I've listened to the first few tracks of the gateway before I decided to do the 90 day trial. I started to have some success but stopped doing it due to myself letting other things get in the way.

I definitely plan on doing it next.

I assume you meant the Gateway Experience CD's, not the Gateway Voyage. I'd like to go do the Gateway Voyage at TMI but that's a little out of my price range at the moment.


Hi M: Sorry about the lapse in memory... I read a lot of post and remember the details of few... that's why I ask redundant questions  :)

I have gateway experience... so I don't know which would be better... maybe others can advise you better...

But aim for a live seminar.

S.


Hi M: Here’s what I know about this work. After you do 90days… you should put 3 to 6 months between the intense work… because you consciousness needs to consolidate and reorder your aura… it takes about this long for that to happen… you more or less will intuit when you are ready to go forward… but, you should aim for a live Faber experience… for this reason… Monroe chose the area because of an energy vortex in this area… this makes sense because Edgar Cayce’s center is in this area and he was very attuned to the vibration of the area… it is probably no accident that Thomas Jefferson’s Montecello is in this area… also, there are two giant crystals on the property… here is what Dr. David Hawkins says about direct live access to spiritual power centers (I assume human and natural)…

“…A frequent problem of the relentless spiritual seeker is that they have not had the personal presence of a teacher with a high enough level of consciousness, that is, one whose aura has the power to catalyzed the transformation of information into subjective awareness/experience. A truly enlightened teacher provides, via the aura, a high-energy context that illuminates and activate the student’s content from the mental body into the higher spiritual bodies…. Excerpted from I/Reality and Subjectivity. “

The Trainers at Faber are the best that TMI has to offer… if you can get a Tank session and bath in the aura of the expanding consciousness of your fellow students and get a lot of crystal communing in when you are at Faber… this may fulfill Hawkins criteria of an enlightened being encounter…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 7th, 2010 at 12:03pm
That's funny because I just read about the importance of having a spiritual teacher closeby in Eckhart Tolle's the Power of Now.

Point taken, I'll see what I can do.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 10th, 2010 at 3:47pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Week 5 Day 29

The past week focused on energy work with my primary energy centers (chakras). I was able to become aware of and stimulate each one with varying degrees of success. It’s interesting that each chakra seemed to give me a different response or feeling when compared to the others.

Raising energy has now become relatively easy for me, it’s almost a habit now. It will be a part of the rest of the 90 day program and I will likely continue it in some form afterward. I attribute this to the fact that I’ve been doing it everyday now for about a month, which is what Steve Pavlina recommends as the minimum time for forming a new habit.

In fact, I have been finding mind taming to be more difficult. I’m still working on this everyday as well by doing breath awareness, and I’m getting better. If I’m not careful it’s just so easy to slip into a daydream or useless dialogue with myself. I know I probably shouldn’t be saying that though, as it just reinforces itself as an intention.

I’ve been getting better at remembering my dreams, to the point where I can remember various scenes from a dream in the middle of the day without having to refer to my notes. That used to be completely impossible for me, so it’s great to see that progress. There’s still plenty of room for improvement though.

I’ve received Bruce Moen’s “Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook”, along with an accompanying CD and DVD. I watched the DVD “Exploring More of the Afterlife”, and wow, I was pretty blown away. The quality of the video isn’t the greatest but Bruce talks about some pretty advanced (dare I say crazy?) stuff.

This week’s focus is on getting into the trance state. This is the state I need to be in before trying an OBE exit technique. I will be learning OBE exit techniques next week, which is exciting because I haven’t actually tried to have an out of body experience yet in this program.

In my various explorations with astral projection in the past, I used to try to get into the trance state while lying down. This was easier than sitting to get into the trance state, but I would frequently go to deep and “click out”/fall asleep. Mastering Astral Projection recommends using slight discomfort to make sure you don’t fall asleep, so they recommend sitting in a hard backed chair. The fact that you then have to balance your head keeps you from falling asleep, but on the flip-side it’s harder to get into a trance state (mind awake/body asleep).

My first attempt at mind awake/body asleep in my chair today went alright. I didn’t get as deep as I have in the past while lying down, but I just need some practice. The technique used today was to picture and feel myself going down an elevator. I will let you know how it progresses.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by maks on Apr 11th, 2010 at 4:24pm
Hi Michael,

Thank you for posting your journal. I like your comprehensive approach. I have not experienced OBEs myself, so I have to use Bruce's guidebook for my explorations. It has proven to be the easiest and the most straightforward method that I have ever seen. It so simple that it hard to believe in that it works all the time :)
I admit that an energy level of an explorer makes a huge difference.
What method do you use to raise your energy?
I have been recently using the Bob Monroe’s technique from his first book. This is the technique:

"Establish the vibration waves. As you continue breathing through your
half-opened mouth, concentrate on the blackness in front of your closed eyes. Look first into the blackness at a spot a foot away from your forehead. Now move your point of concentration to three feet away, and then six feet. Hold for a while until the point is firmly established. From there, turn the point 90° upward, on a line parallel to the body axis and reaching out above the head. Reach for the vibrations at that spot. When you find them, mentally pull them back into your head.
Manipulation and modulation. Once you have eliminated the fear
reactions, you are ready for control steps. First, mentally "direct" the
vibrations into a ring, or force them all into your head. Then mentally
push them down along your body to your toes, then back up to your head.
Start them sweeping in a wave over your body rhythmically, from head to
toes and then back again. After you have given the wave momentum, let it
proceed of its own accord until it fades away. It should take about ten
seconds-five down, five back-for the wave to make the complete circuit,
from head to toes and back. Practice this until the vibration wave
begins instantly upon mental command, and moves steadily until fade-out."


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 11th, 2010 at 4:27pm
Hi maks, I use a similar technique from Robert Bruce. Robert Bruce coined the term "New Energy Ways" which is a system he has made for energy work.

What you described is one of the exercises Robert Bruce calls a "full body bounce".

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 16th, 2010 at 4:45pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 35

This week has been an interesting one to put it mildly. I’ve been experiencing some pretty large paradigm shifts and mental re-programming. My mental model of reality has changed due to both my daily exercises and supplemental reading.

I haven’t had a classic OBE yet (beyond a lucid dream) so I’d have to say that my theoretical knowledge of what consciousness is is further along than my direct experience. I’ve finished reading “The Power of Now” and have now begun reading “The Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook” by Bruce Moen. I haven’t put all the pieces together yet but I’m experiencing “eureka” moments on an almost daily basis. This is quite exciting! I’ll try to share some of my thoughts here..

The major point I’ve picked up from Eckhart Tolle in The Power of Now is that my thoughts are not who I am, “I am” the observer behind the thoughts. Descartes was wrong when he said “I think, therefore I am”. My thoughts are my ego, they are not me in its entirety because there is something that exists outside my thoughts (self-awareness) that can observe my thoughts. But what, exactly, is doing the observation?

I cannot just be my thoughts (i.e. mind) because then there wouldn’t be anything that would let me observe my mind. It’s like the difference between a regular dream and a lucid dream. A regular dream is my ego-mind running amuck, while a lucid dream is where I bring my own self-aware observation (i.e. focus of consciousness) – which is an entirely different experience.

To me, this points to logical evidence that we are more than just our physical body and mind, which I believe will help me take another mental step into experiencing an OBE myself. Since I am beginning to accept the idea that we are more than our physical bodies, my mind will not be as likely to inhibit an OBE from occurring. Also, if an OBE were to occur, I won’t be as “shell shocked” as I would be if it were to happen to someone with the typical atheist/skeptic belief system.

I have only just started reading The Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook today but it has already given me a Eureka! moment that also points to the fact that we are more than our physical bodies. This has to do with the concept and problem of free will. Do you believe you have free will? That is, the power to control aspects of your life?

Free will is something that has bugged me for a very long time, since I have always been a very left-brained, logical, and scientific thinker. YET, I do believe in free will… I am not a robot or a computer. Science does not currently have an answer for free will. The science of physics describes a deterministic/mechanistic universe at a macro level (Newtonian Mechanics/Relativity) and a seemingly random/indeterministic universe at a micro level (Quantum Mechanics).

The problem is that our world as seen from the lens of science does not have any room for free will. It’s like the universe had a set of initial conditions set at the beginning and everything is playing out due to the physical laws of cause and effect. Or, if you get down to very small scales it appears entirely random. This doesn’t make any sort of intuitive sense to our own personal subjective experience.

Now if you don’t believe in free will then there is no problem for you. But if you do believe in free will then you recognize that you have the power to make choices that manipulate the physical world. But from where does this choice come from? Where do you trace the origin of the chain of cause and effect?

I believe the origin of free will(s) has to come from a source that is outside this physical universe. It’s not like science is wrong – the universe is quite predictable (or completely unpredictable) under controlled experiments. But a human seems to be somewhere in the middle. I’m beginning to think that there are influences outside the physical universe that can somehow change the physical universe, and we might be one of the ways this occurs.

Take for example, the problem of our understanding of the human brain. In general, scientists believe that the brain is the origin of consciousness (I used to think so, too), but we really don’t know how it works all too well. I’m now beginning to think that the brain is more of an interface/transceiver between our consciousness and the physical universe.

This idea isn’t new of course. See Tart’s Model of the Human Mind for an interesting description; It practically begs for a Venn Diagram. Movies like The Matrix and more recently, Avatar, show that the idea can be accepted in pop culture.

This Eureka moment came to me when I got to the beginning of the “Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise” in Bruce’s book. I can sit here all day and choose when to bend my finger or not – I really don’t see how a completely scripted universe would let me do that. Again, to me, this points to the idea that we are more than just our physical bodies.

But anyways, back to my notes and observations on my daily practice.

    * I’ve been noticing some weird experiences and coincidences lately. As an example, during one of my exercises I set my egg timer to 15 minutes and then proceeded to meditate. After a period of time I became curious as to why the egg timer hadn’t rung yet and looked at how much time was remaining. It still said 15 minutes. Feeling a little weird-ed out, I decided to just let the timer be and see if it would start counting down. It did. I don’t really have any sort of logical explanation other than just self-delusion but it was certainly weird.
    * Getting into a trance state is becoming easier each day, but I’m still only capable of getting into a light trance. Some of the visualization techniques are a little difficult, but luckily I get to pick what to use for the future.
    * Next week focuses on a little more preparation for OBE’s (oops, I thought this was the last prep week). This includes creating a plan for what to do during my first OBE (the “walkthrough”), which is basically just a short trip around my room to maximize the chance of remembering the experience. I’ll also be practicing “energy body loosening” by focusing my awareness on points outside my body, instead of just inside my body.
    * It’s nice to see that a lot of what Bruce Moen talks about lines up with Robert Bruce, although there perspectives/approaches appear to be quite different.
    * I’m finding that the greater effort I put into telling myself “I remember my dreams” before falling asleep greatly determines the quality of my dream recall. It’s harder than it sounds because I can be quite exhausted by the end of the day, which can make it difficult to not fall asleep immediately after my bedtime reading. So some days are better than others for what I end up writing in my journal.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 16th, 2010 at 11:09pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 16th, 2010 at 4:45pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 35












   
    * Getting into a trance state is becoming easier each day, but I’m still only capable of getting into a light trance. Some of the visualization techniques are a little difficult, but luckily I get to pick what to use for the future.

    * I’m finding that the greater effort I put into telling myself “I remember my dreams” before falling asleep greatly determines the quality of my dream recall. It’s harder than it sounds because I can be quite exhausted by the end of the day, which can make it difficult to not fall asleep immediately after my bedtime reading. So some days are better than others for what I end up writing in my journal.


Hi M: I wouldn't be too worried about falling asleep and winking out... this is the borderland... learning to straddle the wake/asleep state is where you want to be... the o.b.e.. is an automatic reflex... you do it everynight... the difference is when you are just conscious enough to recognize the reflex triggering... you then shift your poc into the astral body and you are having a conscious o.b.e...

That is the trick of it..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:27am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 16th, 2010 at 11:09pm:
Hi M: I wouldn't be too worried about falling asleep and winking out... this is the borderland... learning to straddle the wake/asleep state is where you want to be... the o.b.e.. is an automatic reflex... you do it everynight... the difference is when you are just conscious enough to recognize the reflex triggering... you then shift your poc into the astral body and you are having a conscious o.b.e...

That is the trick of it..

S.


I see what you are saying but I guess I was previously listening to Robert Bruce's advice that we should err on the side of waking. His reasoning was that you don't want to get into the habit of winking out everytime you try to get into a trance. But you're right, we do it every night when we go to sleep.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:00pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 2:27am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 16th, 2010 at 11:09pm:
Hi M: I wouldn't be too worried about falling asleep and winking out... this is the borderland... learning to straddle the wake/asleep state is where you want to be... the o.b.e.. is an automatic reflex... you do it everynight... the difference is when you are just conscious enough to recognize the reflex triggering... you then shift your poc into the astral body and you are having a conscious o.b.e...

That is the trick of it..

S.


I see what you are saying but I guess I was previously listening to Robert Bruce's advice that we should err on the side of waking. His reasoning was that you don't want to get into the habit of winking out everytime you try to get into a trance. But you're right, we do it every night when we go to sleep.


I don't want to put to fine a point on this... but to use a tautological device... you are on a tight rope... being unbalanced left or right is going to get you dumped into the safety net (I assume you have a safety net  :D)...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:31pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
I don't want to put to fine a point on this... but to use a tautological device... you are on a tight rope... being unbalanced left or right is going to get you dumped into the safety net (I assume you have a safety net  :D)...


haha fair enough. The point is that almost every author I've read makes the recommendation to practice trance work sitting down, not lying down for this reason. So I'm going to give sitting down a fair shot and see how it goes. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 17th, 2010 at 6:00pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:31pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
I don't want to put to fine a point on this... but to use a tautological device... you are on a tight rope... being unbalanced left or right is going to get you dumped into the safety net (I assume you have a safety net  :D)...


haha fair enough. The point is that almost every author I've read makes the recommendation to practice trance work sitting down, not lying down for this reason. So I'm going to give sitting down a fair shot and see how it goes. :)


Hi M: 4/17/2010 - afternoon session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separatiion:

Got into a very deep state body numb... but winking out lost portions of instructions... came awake slowing felt the whole form in my heart chakra... (this is the precursor to the generation of the real time zone double... ) but I was not deep enough in body asleep stage... for the automatic o.b.e. reflex to kick in... kept going in and out of conscious awareness... the whole remained by did not activate... I was conscious of it being open all the time but it refused to generate the double... the body knew I was awake... and it had not reached ejection stage... the signal was... the idiot is not asleep... no go... still winking in and out... then session ending procedures begin....

EOS...

So this is what can happen... the body knows when you are not completely asleep mentally... and it won't eject... the next stage of relaxation I am hoping will completely put the body asleep and disconnect the sensory signals that are need for the obe reflex to kick in...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 17th, 2010 at 6:02pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 6:00pm:

msagansk wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:31pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
I don't want to put to fine a point on this... but to use a tautological device... you are on a tight rope... being unbalanced left or right is going to get you dumped into the safety net (I assume you have a safety net  :D)...


haha fair enough. The point is that almost every author I've read makes the recommendation to practice trance work sitting down, not lying down for this reason. So I'm going to give sitting down a fair shot and see how it goes. :)


Hi M: 4/17/2010 - afternoon session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separatiion:

Got into a very deep state body numb... but winking out lost portions of instructions... came awake slowing felt the hole form in my heart chakra... (this is the precursor to the generation of the real time zone double... ) but I was not deep enough in body asleep stage... for the automatic o.b.e. reflex to kick in... kept going in and out of conscious awareness... the hole remained but did not activate... I was conscious of it being open all the time but it refused to generate the double... the body knew I was awake... and it had not reached ejection stage... the signal was... the idiot is not asleep... no go... still winking in and out... then session ending procedures begin....

EOS...

So this is what can happen... the body knows when you are not completely asleep mentally... and it won't eject... the next stage of relaxation I am hoping will completely put the body asleep and disconnect the sensory signals that are need for the obe reflex to kick in...

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 17th, 2010 at 9:56pm
S: So it's like you have to "trick" your body that your mind is asleep with your body?

OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 36

I had an interesting experience while doing one of the meditation exercises today, which consisted of me focusing on my third eye chakra. For whatever reason, I decided to think “Guides, if you’re really out there, please show yourselves”. Immediately after, the darkness behind my closed eyes lit up dramatically. It’s almost as if a dimmer switch had been gradually turned up in my room – but no external lighting had changed obviously. Then, I felt a huge way of electricity/energy/vibrations come through the top of my head and down my body. This wasn’t your typical cold chill, because the energy stayed for a good couple minutes. I began to see what looked like blobs of form behind my eyelids, instead of just a hazy blur.. but I didn’t get anything more than that. I became too excited, shed a couple tears (I haven’t cried in years), and broke out of the meditation.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 17th, 2010 at 10:47pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 9:56pm:
S: So it's like you have to "trick" your body that your mind is asleep with your body?


I don’t like to use the word trick… it is a process… in the RB and RM system we are trying to separate the body and mind functions, if he body is ‘really’ asleep… and you can’t miss that the obe reflex will engage, but the mind will be aware of the event.

S.


msagansk wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 9:56pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 30

I had an interesting experience while doing one of the meditation exercises today, which consisted of me focusing on my third eye chakra. For whatever reason, I decided to think “Guides, if you’re really out there, please show yourselves”. Immediately after, the darkness behind my closed eyes lit up dramatically. It’s almost as if a dimmer switch had been gradually turned up in my room – but no external lighting had changed obviously. Then, I felt a huge way of electricity/energy/vibrations come through the top of my head and down my body. This wasn’t your typical cold chill, because the energy stayed for a good couple minutes. I began to see what looked like blobs of form behind my eyelids, instead of just a hazy blur.. but I didn’t get anything more than that. I became too excited, shed a couple tears (I haven’t cried in years), and broke out of the meditation.


Great event, you really have to do a live seminar at Faber.

S.










S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 17th, 2010 at 10:48pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 6:02pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 6:00pm:

msagansk wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:31pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 17th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
I don't want to put to fine a point on this... but to use a tautological device... you are on a tight rope... being unbalanced left or right is going to get you dumped into the safety net (I assume you have a safety net  :D)...


haha fair enough. The point is that almost every author I've read makes the recommendation to practice trance work sitting down, not lying down for this reason. So I'm going to give sitting down a fair shot and see how it goes. :)


Hi M: 4/17/2010 - afternoon session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separatiion:

Got into a very deep state body numb... but winking out lost portions of instructions... came awake slowing felt the hole form in my heart chakra... (this is the precursor to the generation of the real time zone double... ) but I was not deep enough in body asleep stage... for the automatic o.b.e. reflex to kick in... kept going in and out of conscious awareness... the hole remained but did not activate... I was conscious of it being open all the time but it refused to generate the double... the body knew I was awake... and it had not reached ejection stage... the signal was... the idiot is not asleep... no go... still winking in and out... then session ending procedures begin....

EOS...

So this is what can happen... the body knows when you are not completely asleep mentally... and it won't eject... the next stage of relaxation I am hoping will completely put the body asleep and disconnect the sensory signals that are need for the obe reflex to kick in...

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 17th, 2010 at 10:58pm
4/17/2010 - Evening session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separatiion:

Got into a very deep state body numb... This time my tongue got quite swollen and had difficulty speaking for my tape… a bust of a man who favored Orson Welles appeared… didn't actually wink out this time… but was loosing contact with tape instructions but I was not following the them any… I was in a freewheeling state… The Third Eye suddenly turned on and I was looking (symbolically) through the large living room wrap around window over some nice upholstered (grey) wrap around couches.

This is my minds way of communicating through the Perceiver/Interpreter function… what is really happening is I am looking through probably the pituitary gland out under the frontal lobes into deep space… the eos procedures kicked in and I was brought back to C1.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 18th, 2010 at 12:23pm
I just read about the perceiver/interpreter yesterday. It's an interesting concept that goes into more depth than the typical "stop internal dialog" that meditation enthusiasts prescribe.

Yeah I'd definitely like to go to a seminar in Faber. I don't think I have the budget for it this year but next year I'd like to!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 18th, 2010 at 6:56pm
Hi M: I'm posting this because you might encounter things like this and be confused... open you mind to the many possiblities... the interpreter may help you so don't think anything is too fantastic:

4/18/2010 - afternoon session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separation:

Solar plexus chakra activates… image 1940 dark blue gangster car (Packard)… front left view… grille… interpreter giving associations Dillinger… but must be a potential retrievel… connected to the torrio/capone hit on irish mobster O’Bannion in his flower shop… possible he was so surprised by the event that he does not know he is dead… energy streaming right leg… underside… purple pulsing light…


S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 18th, 2010 at 11:46pm
I appreciate that S. Go ahead an post what you feel would be of value to the thread.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 11:18am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2010 at 6:56pm:
Hi M: I'm posting this because you might encounter things like this and be confused... open you mind to the many possiblities... the interpreter may help you so don't think anything is too fantastic:

4/18/2010 - afternoon session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separation:

Solar plexus chakra activates… image 1940 dark blue gangster car (Packard)… front left view… grille… interpreter giving associations Dillinger… but must be a potential retrievel… connected to the torrio/capone hit on irish mobster O’Bannion in his flower shop… possible he was so surprised by the event that he does not know he is dead… energy streaming right leg… underside… purple pulsing light…


S.


4/18/2010 - Dream state:

As I was dropping off to sleep I seemed to be talking to O’Bannion… I asked him if he thought it was strange that the same scene keeps playing over and over again… a kind of ground hog day without the realization that that the same event was being enacted over and over again… he seemed confused… I asked if he ever thought that he might be dead… he glazed over and the scene began to play over and over… I have no answer not being officially a retriever… don’t know if I will encounter him again… this posting is an attempt to consolidate the experience…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 11:35am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 11:18am:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 18th, 2010 at 6:56pm:
Hi M: I'm posting this because you might encounter things like this and be confused... open you mind to the many possiblities... the interpreter may help you so don't think anything is too fantastic:

4/18/2010 - afternoon session:

Special session mix: BM/AKG - cut 1 disc 1, gateway experience - cut 2 - first stage separation:

Solar plexus chakra activates… image 1940 dark blue gangster car (Packard)… front left view… grille… interpreter giving associations Dillinger… but must be a potential retrievel… connected to the torrio/capone hit on irish mobster O’Bannion in his flower shop… possible he was so surprised by the event that he does not know he is dead… energy streaming right leg… underside… purple pulsing light…


S.


4/18/2010 - Dream state:

As I was dropping off to sleep I seemed to be talking to O’Bannion… I asked him if he thought it was strange that the same scene keeps playing over and over again… a kind of ground hog day without the realization that that the same event was being enacted over and over again… he seemed confused… I asked if he ever thought that he might be dead… he glazed over and the scene began to play over and over… I have no answer not being officially a retriever… don’t know if I will encounter him again… this posting is an attempt to consolidate the experience…

S.


4/19/2010 - Mind Split:

I am conscious but still functioning in both There and Here… using the AKG - P/I instruction on automatic… am still in contact with O’Bannion… I ask don’t you think it is odd that the same scene is being enacted over and over… he still seems to be glazed over but some part of him is hearing me… and a slight light of comprehension is beginning to penetrate his awareness… as I experience the scene it is minus the shooting part… he is greeting his customers (the hit men)… and preparing to fill their order… but it ends there… I know that the shooters begin shooting and kill him but I don’t see the event and neither does O’Bannion… I instinctively close down the Interpreter so as not to all it to key in some other associative information…

I may be stuck in a time warp myself… but, with a little control… but, I don’t think I will be rid of this thing very easily.

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 12:15pm
4/19/2010 - Retrieval Five!:

The event stayed with me and I understand the move back and forth between the Perceiver and the Interpreter… I triggered an awareness in O’Bannion… suddenly while taking a shower I saw him see the shooting event… he is stunned and surprised… then poof he disappeared… now I kind of have the problem of releasing the event… let go… in TMI sems the exit procedure includes an affirmation not to bring emotion and attachment back upon awaking… but, I am getting dumped into these retrievals without my actual volition… thus I don’t have the protective tools to defend myself against obsession and attachment and the lingering imaging residuals… oh well….

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:02pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 12:15pm:
4/19/2010 - Retrieval Five!:

The event stayed with me and I understand the move back and forth between the Perceiver and the Interpreter… I triggered an awareness in O’Bannion… suddenly while taking a shower I saw him see the shooting event… he is stunned and surprised… then poof he disappeared… now I kind of have the problem of releasing the event… let go… in TMI sems the exit procedure includes an affirmation not to bring emotion and attachment back upon awaking… but, I am getting dumped into these retrievals without my actual volition… thus I don’t have the protective tools to defend myself against obsession and attachment and the lingering imaging residuals… oh well….

S.


Might I recommend the "back to the rightful owner tool" described on page 181-182 in AKG?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:29pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 37

I’m now getting better at getting into a deeper trance state. I know this because I find that when I end the meditation session and open my eyes, I feel disassociated with my physical body for a few seconds until I start to move. This is especially true with my hands and feet – it’s almost like the feeling of them being “asleep” when blood circulation is cut off.

While I was extending the body bounce awareness exercise from the floor, through my body, up to the ceiling, and back down again I saw a couple flashes of a white horizontal line of light descending through my line of vision. It wasn’t in sync with my awareness exercise so it was sort of surprising – I don’t think there was a particular feeling associated with it either.

I think I may have projected into my etheric/energy body while practicing the extended body bounce exercise. There was a point at which I think my body fell asleep because I felt my head tilt to the right slightly, but it didn’t really feel like it was me. It’s hard to describe but perhaps a better way of saying it is that I was focused on my energy body and only partially felt my head tilt over. I had felt movement but it took me a while to figure out what had happened – from my perspective I felt like I was still sitting up straight.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:45pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:02pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 12:15pm:
S.


Might I recommend the "back to the rightful owner tool" described on page 181-181 in AKG?



LOL!! I'm following BM's advice... don't read ahead. I haven't got that far... but thanks for the heads up.

S

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:56pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 2:45pm:
LOL!! I'm following BM's advice... don't read ahead. I haven't got that far... but thanks for the heads up.

S


Haha fair enough, I'm skipping the exercises/exercise results but I have been reading the general theory topics he talks about.

Page 181-182 is actually an excerpt from his "Voyages into the Unknown"... so if you want you can just read that book. It's right near the beginning after his retrieval exercise at the bomb site.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 19th, 2010 at 4:28pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 19th, 2010 at 12:15pm:
4/19/2010 - Retrieval Five!:

The event stayed with me and I understand the move back and forth between the Perceiver and the Interpreter… I triggered an awareness in O’Bannion… suddenly while taking a shower I saw him see the shooting event… he is stunned and surprised… then poof he disappeared… now I kind of have the problem of releasing the event… let go… in TMI sems the exit procedure includes an affirmation not to bring emotion and attachment back upon awaking… but, I am getting dumped into these retrievals without my actual volition… thus I don’t have the protective tools to defend myself against obsession and attachment and the lingering imaging residuals… oh well….

S.


Hi: The Interpeter is the gift that keeps on giving if you control it. Looks like O'Bannion was an example of the AKG bombadier experiment where the perceiver sees the target before the interpreter speaks to the brain of the bombadier...

O'Bannion's perceiver saw the guns before they appeared in his mind he said, NO!... at the exact moment he died and this froze him in time... his interpreter never registered he was shot and killed... therefore he simple kept replaying the customers coming into the shop and him attempting to fill the order over and over again since the  '40??? not sure what year this happened... I am now letting it all go into the universe... seeing it not there... goodbye... LOL!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:11pm
4/20/2010 - evening session:

For the first time in my work at this material I seem to have reached a new increment of relaxation… the numb stage… but, I know it is the precursor to the ‘thousand needles’ stage… this is where the etheric body kind of separates from the physical body… and rises as per the Slyvan Muldoon model…

Vibration right side arms and legs… streaming energy left elbow.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:32pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:11pm:
4/20/2010 - evening session:

For the first time in my work at this material I seem to have reached a new increment of relaxation… the numb stage… but, I know it is the precursor to the ‘thousand needles’ stage… this is where the etheric body kind of separates from the physical body… and rises as per the Slyvan Muldoon model…

Vibration right side arms and legs… streaming energy left elbow.

S.


Very cool. I haven't heard of Slyvan Muldoon before, it doesn't look like there's much about him on the Internet.

I like how Bruce Moen's method can be used well before any sort of OBE is actually achieved. I just read today that Frank Kepple describes this as a C3/C1 overlay, which makes conceptual sense to me.

I think I had a conversation with my guides today but I'll write a post on that while I have time.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 21st, 2010 at 12:19am

msagansk wrote on Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:32pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 20th, 2010 at 11:11pm:
Very cool. I haven't heard of Slyvan Muldoon before, it doesn't look like there's much about him on the Internet.


His book is in pdf and free on the internet...



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I like how Bruce Moen's method can be used well before any sort of OBE is actually achieved. I just read today that Frank Kepple describes this as a C3/C1 overlay, which makes conceptual sense to me.

I think I had a conversation with my guides today but I'll write a post on that while I have time.


The beauty of the part 1 and 2 of akg... is you can take the exercises anywhere... I have decided to take relaxation to the 100% level and see what happens... my goal is absolute control... and it begins with relaxation...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 12:24am
4/21/2010 - Evening session:

American revolution scene… blue jacket… white shirt… Mel Gibson Braveheart… incident is in the upper portion of the left pectoral muscle… (I discovered much earlier that the muscles contain all the accumulated karma… this is a great sign… tho… at this point I don’t know where this is going and it may not have to go anywhere… it is only necessary to contact and make conscious that which is unconscious… and it begins to dissolve… ) Susan Sarandon look alike in this period costume… looking down at her…battle of Lexington…  (deleted) musket boy… bodies everywhere… cannon flares horizon… dark blue sky… rolling hills form horizon… see nose egyption woman… water… rowing… oars in water… bicycle… big mac trucks… (residual imaging of trip I took on hwy 15??)… bare chested O conahey… golden Buddha figure… golden shining temple in the distance…

It is clear that the next level of relaxation is through the resolution of these karmic markers…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 12:54pm
4/22/2010 - Morning session:

As expected… two steps forward one step backward… this morning’s session characterized by a failure to get to the body numb stage… but, I expect the ‘ego’ to fight back however feebly but it is effective in slowing the inevitable… persistence is the key of course… saw my belief system tree… (actually lines very chaotic in lay out but you can tell there is a dynamic order to it all… but the thick black lines are the important ones…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 6:02pm
100% control of what exactly?

You can actually SEE the belief system tree? Wow.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:17pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 6:02pm:
100% control of what exactly?

You can actually SEE the belief system tree? Wow.


Hi M: This is just my theory... but, the road to all spiritual abilities lies through relaxation... the muscle groups contain all your karmic patterns and events... I've contact two of mine and both times the relaxation event was profound but, of course, limited... i.e.. muscle by muscle group is a long process I assume at some point there will be a whole sale release in a kind of chain reaction... but, I am doing this consciously therefore I assume I am in complete control of the process and can take it whereever I want as opposed to randomly triggering events with out a consistent underpining of conscious volition...

Yeah, it was less like a tree and more like an abstract painting of thousands of intersecting lines but only a few very thick ones... and my interpreter said the thick ones where the major 'ego' structures holding my consciousness in the illusion...

Desolve these and I dissolve my personal 'reality'.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:30pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:17pm:

msagansk wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 6:02pm:
100% control of what exactly?

You can actually SEE the belief system tree? Wow.


Hi M: This is just my theory... but, the road to all spiritual abilities lies through relaxation... the muscle groups contain all your karmic patterns and events... I've contact two of mine and both times the relaxation event was profound but, of course, limited... i.e.. muscle by muscle group is a long process I assume at some point there will be a whole sale release in a kind of chain reaction... but, I am doing this consciously therefore I assume I am in complete control of the process and can take it whereever I want as opposed to randomly triggering events with out a consistent underpining of conscious volition...

Yeah, it was less like a tree and more like an abstract painting of thousands of intersecting lines but only a few very thick ones... and my interpreter said the thick ones where the major 'ego' structures holding my consciousness in the illusion...

Desolve these and I dissolve my personal 'reality'.

S.


By the way - Robert Bruce is in absolute control of his destiny... he is building a Light Body and doesn't intend to leave the physical universe ala... the Robert Monroe's - Faciliator... see my thread Re: Facilitator... I bumped it up if you are interested... it was buried very deep..

I personally think I am on an escape velocity track... working with Monroe.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:39pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:30pm:
By the way - Robert Bruce is in absolute control of his destiny... he is building a Light Body and doesn't intend to leave the physical universe ala... the Robert Monroe's - Faciliator... see my thread Re: Facilitator... I bumped it up if you are interested... it was buried very deep..

I personally think I am on an escape velocity track... working with Monroe.

S.


You know, I forgot about the Facilitator. I'm going to have to read those books again sometime, lol.

I have no idea where I stand right now but I do find both ideas intriguing. I'm just trying to keep an open mind.

Where did you learn that about Robert Bruce?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 8:47pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 7:39pm:
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Where did you learn that about Robert Bruce?


Hi M: Someone on this board wrote a thread about it. But, I took PAPI and was a member of his graduate forum and he was not happy that my goal was 'escape velocity'... he think that not returning to the physical plane is cutting yourself off from everything that is happening... it is the biggest of challenges... but, I just have had enough... time to transcend.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 11:43pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 8:47pm:
Hi M: Someone on this board wrote a thread about it. But, I took PAPI and was a member of his graduate forum and he was not happy that my goal was 'escape velocity'... he think that not returning to the physical plane is cutting yourself off from everything that is happening... it is the biggest of challenges... but, I just have had enough... time to transcend.

S.


Interesting, I can see where he is coming from. I'm not sure myself, yet.

So you took PAPI, cool... how was it? I had considered taking it at some point but then just decided to follow MAP.

I may take it after MAP depending on how things go and depending on whether I save up enough to go to the Gateway Voyage (going to write an update tomorrow).

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:11am

msagansk wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 11:43pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 22nd, 2010 at 8:47pm:
Hi M: Someone on this board wrote a thread about it. But, I took PAPI and was a member of his graduate forum and he was not happy that my goal was 'escape velocity'... he think that not returning to the physical plane is cutting yourself off from everything that is happening... it is the biggest of challenges... but, I just have had enough... time to transcend.

S.


Interesting, I can see where he is coming from. I'm not sure myself, yet.

So you took PAPI, cool... how was it? I had considered taking it at some point but then just decided to follow MAP.

I may take it after MAP depending on how things go and depending on whether I save up enough to go to the Gateway Voyage (going to write an update tomorrow).


Got a lot out of PAPI but of course it is just a way to get one on one guidance from Robert... essentially it is 90 days... lots of feed back by your peers etc... but, Gateway is the way to go...

This is an ongoing thing... you will never be finished unless you transcend... that is a whole nuther thing...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:51am
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 40

Well, things keep getting a whole lot more interesting.

Progress generally feels like 2 steps forward, 1 step back, but every few days I am able to get into a slightly deeper trance state. This basically means a reduction in sensory input, which is part of the process in dissociating from my physical body – I need to keep my physical senses from rooting myself into focusing on the physical. I am able to feel a tingling sensation and a heaviness in my arms and legs fairly easily, but my chest seems to take more effort (especially since I am focusing on my breath).

During a couple of my meditation sessions I’ve had the urge to see if I could communicate with my “guides”. I’d openly ask if they were “around”, and I have gotten confirmation. The type of confirmation is just on the edge of what my analytical/left-brained/atheistic mind can accept – energy surges through my body, eye twitches on demand, and an internal dialogue that feels almost imaginary. The experiences can be interpreted as real or made up, depending on what you believe.

I now see that our beliefs are what limits us, and is what also limits our experiences. It’s sort of a catch-22 because in order to experience something profound you have to believe it to be possible in the first place – that can make it hard for skeptics, when self-fulfilling prophecies come to mind. I feel like I just need to keep an open mind to slowly chip away at my limiting beliefs and concepts. Patience, persistence, and practice will expand my capabilities over time.

A lot of these self-realizations I’ve been having have caused somewhat of a belief-system crash , as coined by Bruce Moen in the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook (thanks Seraphis). Some of my old limiting beliefs have been dissolved and this has caused me to lose part of my identity/ego. This “loss of self” can be tough on the mind and I know that I need time to heal and reintegrate my new beliefs into a more accurate model of reality. This is hard! (whoops, I suppose that was an affirmation…)

Even if I don’t have an OBE from this trial I’ve already had enough experiences to further pursue meditation and the exploration of consciousness. I now realize that an OBE is just a subset of the larger reality that can be experienced by consciousness. I almost feel like this trial is morphing into something more general – the evolution of my consciousness – rather than to just attain an OBE.

I’m thinking about going to The Monroe Institute for their “Gateway Voyage” retreat. I have their Gateway Experience CD’s which I think I will start listening to regularly instead of the Lucid Dreaming track provided in bwgen. I’ve been a little disappointed with bwgen so far when compared to some of the other binaural beat tracks I’ve tried. I’m going to be focusing on “CD 1 Track 2: Focus 10? for now until I get good at achieving that state.

I have been absorbing quite a bit of material on consciousness this week and I feel like I should slow down a little, especially with the belief system crash. I’m getting the feeling that I should be working on experiencing more, rather than just reading about it. The books are only pointers. Reality is subjective so it’s up to me to see what is really true or not.

That being said I am now interested in reading the “My Big Toe” trilogy from Thomas Campbell. He worked with Robert Monroe at the very early stages of the creation of Hemi-Sync. I particularly like his model of consciousness and reality, especially the mapping of entropy with love.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 12:05pm
I use Gateway as well. I have a hard time reaching focus 10. I get numb then tingly but I'm not sure what's really going on if it is 10 or not. I feel like the time on the tapes given to reach 10 is not long enough. I often click out and wake up to Monroe telling me to do something. The other day he started talking in my ear after I had clicked out and I really had a startle! I mean, a gasp and a jump! ha ha

My big TOE I read some in part online I think. I'm a fairly intelligent person and read complicated legal documents. I have a background in science.  That said, I thought it was over my head and a bit boring. That's just my opinion.

I think there is no better teacher than experience. My meditation teacher recommends 1.5 hours per day, as a minimum, and I'd have to agree. When I first started meditating, I had more visual experiences of light, the tunnel (I actually zoomed through it and then boom, back before anything else happened).  Now I feel like I too have gone two steps back a bit. But then last night I got the tunnel experience again and very very detailed colored visions.

I'm sure if I put more time in I'd get more out of it. But I do meditate at least 45 mins nightly.....gonna try doing it during the day when not so sleepy. My meditation teacher says this type of meditation is sleep-a-tation, not true meditation, lol.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 12:10pm
Yeah I've had similar experiences with Focus 10 in the past, haha. I'm determined to use what I've learned to minimize click-outs going forward - although Bruce Moen's Perceiver/Interpreter concept with regards to click-outs suggests that they may not be all that bad for you.

I've listened to Thomas Campbell's video lecture at TMI and thought it was fascinating. I've heard his book is harder to understand though.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:51am:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 40

Well, things keep getting a whole lot more interesting.

Progress generally feels like 2 steps forward, 1 step back, but every few days I am able to get into a slightly deeper trance state. This basically means a reduction in sensory input, which is part of the process in dissociating from my physical body – I need to keep my physical senses from rooting myself into focusing on the physical. I am able to feel a tingling sensation and a heaviness in my arms and legs fairly easily, but my chest seems to take more effort (especially since I am focusing on my breath).


The Heart business (you are awakening the heart chakra - re-read astral dynamic material on the function of the heart chakra in the formation of the real time zone double)  is very important that is where the fundamental body is going to generate the real time zone double... it might be well to now introduce the akg heart intelligence exercise with a proviso to be alert for the potential to also integrate teh love exercises (love being the lubricant so to speak) as a computer guy you should be able to great a composite disk or ipod meditation potpourri... you are very close.

S. [/quote]


msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:51am:
During a couple of my meditation sessions I’ve had the urge to see if I could communicate with my “guides”. I’d openly ask if they were “around”, and I have gotten confirmation. The type of confirmation is just on the edge of what my analytical/left-brained/atheistic mind can accept – energy surges through my body, eye twitches on demand, and an internal dialogue that feels almost imaginary. The experiences can be interpreted as real or made up, depending on what you believe.


This is where the tape recording device would be helpful for future reference... you need to id the location of the twitches and various body effects... you are activating the acupunture meridian networks...  be interesting and maybe helpful to come back to these to map the sequences and analyze them at a future time..

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msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:51am:
I now see that our beliefs are what limits us, and is what also limits our experiences. It’s sort of a catch-22 because in order to experience something profound you have to believe it to be possible in the first place – that can make it hard for skeptics, when self-fulfilling prophecies come to mind. I feel like I just need to keep an open mind to slowly chip away at my limiting beliefs and concepts. Patience, persistence, and practice will expand my capabilities over time.

A lot of these self-realizations I’ve been having have caused somewhat of a belief-system crash , as coined by Bruce Moen in the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook (thanks Seraphis). Some of my old limiting beliefs have been dissolved and this has caused me to lose part of my identity/ego. This “loss of self” can be tough on the mind and I know that I need time to heal and reintegrate my new beliefs into a more accurate model of reality. This is hard! (whoops, I suppose that was an affirmation…)




Soon you should have an 'ego' crisis you may already have had one... p. 56 akg when it happened use one of the stablizing techniques... do you have a confidant who accepts you and your goals unconditionally... and is a good listener... my first major crisis I had a bahia friend who doesn't believe any of my stuff but he quietly listened to my who made no judgement he quietly went away and maybe 'screamed'... but, didn't tell me about it.

S. [/quote]


msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:51am:
I’m thinking about going to The Monroe Institute for their “Gateway Voyage” retreat. I have their Gateway Experience CD’s which I think I will start listening to regularly instead of the Lucid Dreaming track provided in bwgen. I’ve been a little disappointed with bwgen so far when compared to some of the other binaural beat tracks I’ve tried. I’m going to be focusing on “CD 1 Track 2: Focus 10? for now until I get good at achieving that state.


I recommend going directly to akg part i and ii, and do gateway as soon as you can... the personal trainers will be able to do private stuff to help you consolidate your gains in an experienced consulting mode (live one on one), but put about a month between programs... and you should consider (now that you are almost a god - to rest on Sunday do nothing connect with spiritual work just get it out of mind and environment)

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:22pm
4/23/2010 - Dreams:

I think I am entering another ego shift (morph???) I was a wine merchant... I entered this mansion and some slick looking guy gave me $2400 dollars for one case of my best vintage as we went to the car to get the wine he saw a case of a poorer grade and want that thrown into the deal... I was so happy with having made the sale that I agreed he began to finagle me more and I realize I was being out manuvered and city slickered and I had no answer he was too good for me... I became confused... but I never woke up in the dream... later I tried to get back but still didn't wake up in the dream...

dream two: I got lost in the city there are freeways and bus lines I don't know how to get where I am going... (I still don't wake up in the dream)... lucid dreaming is not one of my skills...

But now I am very sleepy all the time... I am confused on waking and it is taking awhile to get oriented... some change is coming and I have no answer...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:51pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:22pm:
4/23/2010 - Dreams:

I think I am entering another ego shift (morph???) I was a wine merchant... I entered this mansion and some slick looking guy gave me $2400 dollars for one case of my best vintage as we went to the car to get the wine he saw a case of a poorer grade and want that thrown into the deal... I was so happy with having made the sale that I agreed he began to finagle me more and I realize I was being out manuvered and city slickered and I had no answer he was too good for me... I became confused... but I never woke up in the dream... later I tried to get back but still didn't wake up in the dream...


It pays to write stuff down... just a while ago my interpreter gave me the meaning of the dream... I am a fine wine merchant - ( I am handing fine merchandize... spiritual awakening which are very valuable... I still have old belief systems that are not as valuable - lesser quaility wine... the city slicker is the wily ego... it is willing to buy my quality wine and pay top dollar, but, it still wants the old wine around (I was shown my belief system tree... the network is very complex)... I am overwhelmed and being out manuevered and at present I don't think I am in the same class as the city slicker (in the matrix there is the Frenchman who represents the powerful ego which has enjoyed control for may millions may billions of years earth time)... it has a lot of tricks up its sleeve... but like Neo, I am the One... (that is... my ultimate awareness of the Self as the real me is all I need... allow 'Grace' to eventually get exercised and the illusion however cleverly built will and must dissolve) all I have to do is to keep doing what I am doing.

S.


dream two: I got lost in the city there are freeways and bus lines I don't know how to get where I am going... (I still don't wake up in the dream)... lucid dreaming is not one of my skills...


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:22pm:
But now I am very sleepy all the time... I am confused on waking and it is taking awhile to get oriented... some change is coming and I have no answer...

S.


Let's see what happens to my lethargy now that I know what the first dream meant.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:53pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
The Heart business (you are awakening the heart chakra - re-read astral dynamic material on the function of the heart chakra in the formation of the real time zone double)  is very important that is where the fundamental body is going to generate the real time zone double... it might be well to now introduce the akg heart intelligence exercise with a proviso to be alert for the potential to also integrate teh love exercises (love being the lubricant so to speak) as a computer guy you should be able to great a composite disk or ipod meditation potpourri... you are very close.

S.


I am hesitant to start the AKG exercises due to time constraints and not wanting to overload myself. I will look into this though and see if I can fit a little in.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
This is where the tape recording device would be helpful for future reference... you need to id the location of the twitches and various body effects... you are activating the acupunture meridian networks...  be interesting and maybe helpful to come back to these to map the sequences and analyze them at a future time..


I've got a voice recorder on my blackberry so I can start with that and see.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
Soon you should have an 'ego' crisis you may already have had one... p. 56 akg when it happened use one of the stablizing techniques... do you have a confidant who accepts you and your goals unconditionally... and is a good listener... my first major crisis I had a bahia friend who doesn't believe any of my stuff but he quietly listened to my who made no judgement he quietly went away and maybe 'screamed'... but, didn't tell me about it.

S.


I've got a girlfriend who has not been judgmental yet, although she expresses concerns for going "too deep". These posts I make on this forum, my blog, and other forums are another form of release for me. I've considered going to a spiritualist church or at least SOME group of people I can share with - most of my current friends are not spiritual at all. This relates to the principle of love Steve Pavlina talks about.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
I recommend going directly to akg part i and ii, and do gateway as soon as you can... the personal trainers will be able to do private stuff to help you consolidate your gains in an experienced consulting mode (live one on one), but put about a month between programs... and you should consider (now that you are almost a god - to rest on Sunday do nothing connect with spiritual work just get it out of mind and environment)

S.


The gateway voyage in July would be about a month after I'm done this 90 day trial and it does coincide with where I had planned to take a 3-week vacation from work. Raising the money may be difficult though by then.. and I'm not sure what I would tell my friends and family lol!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:55pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:51pm:
dream two: I got lost in the city there are freeways and bus lines I don't know how to get where I am going... (I still don't wake up in the dream)... lucid dreaming is not one of my skills...


Could the network of roads represent your belief system tree and signify that you're feeling a little lost with parts of it?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:22pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:53pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
The Heart business (you are awakening the heart chakra - re-read astral dynamic material on the function of the heart chakra in the formation of the real time zone double)  is very important that is where the fundamental body is going to generate the real time zone double... it might be well to now introduce the akg heart intelligence exercise with a proviso to be alert for the potential to also integrate teh love exercises (love being the lubricant so to speak) as a computer guy you should be able to great a composite disk or ipod meditation potpourri... you are very close.

S.


I am hesitant to start the AKG exercises due to time constraints and not wanting to overload myself. I will look into this though and see if I can fit a little in.


Well, just pointed out that you are currently in a position to do a full court press… to great advantage… but, on the other hand you have the rest of your life now that you have tasted the potential of the non-physical…

S.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
This is where the tape recording device would be helpful for future reference... you need to id the location of the twitches and various body effects... you are activating the acupunture meridian networks...  be interesting and maybe helpful to come back to these to map the sequences and analyze them at a future time..


I've got a voice recorder on my blackberry so I can start with that and see. [/quote]

Do you have a lapel mic… that works best to pick up all sounds… I connect mine to my head set to keep it close to my mouth and not get covered up with blankets which will muffle the output.

S.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
Soon you should have an 'ego' crisis you may already have had one... p. 56 akg when it happened use one of the stablizing techniques... do you have a confidant who accepts you and your goals unconditionally... and is a good listener... my first major crisis I had a bahia friend who doesn't believe any of my stuff but he quietly listened to my who made no judgement he quietly went away and maybe 'screamed'... but, didn't tell me about it.

S.


I've got a girlfriend who has not been judgmental yet, although she expresses concerns for going "too deep". These posts I make on this forum, my blog, and other forums are another form of release for me. I've considered going to a spiritualist church or at least SOME group of people I can share with - most of my current friends are not spiritual at all. This relates to the principle of love Steve Pavlina talks about. [/quote]

At some point you will have a major crisis and a personal live one on one confidant is important it has to do with the aura… but, it definitely has to be a spiritually evolved person and not just anyone…

By the way, I don’t want to alarm you but you should know you might become quite ill at some point I did but because I knew what it was I was not too alarmed… I am sorry to inform you this work is like being pregnant… you can’t just be a little bit pregnant… “too deep” isn’t the word for it… I hope you don’t get side track and lose a lot of year because of social pressure to quit.

S.



Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
I recommend going directly to akg part i and ii, and do gateway as soon as you can... the personal trainers will be able to do private stuff to help you consolidate your gains in an experienced consulting mode (live one on one), but put about a month between programs... and you should consider (now that you are almost a god - to rest on Sunday do nothing connect with spiritual work just get it out of mind and environment)

S.


The gateway voyage in July would be about a month after I'm done this 90 day trial and it does coincide with where I had planned to take a 3-week vacation from work. Raising the money may be difficult though by then.. and I'm not sure what I would tell my friends and family lol![/quote]

If you allow family and friends to control you spiritual destiny… good luck..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:26pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:22pm:

msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:53pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
The Heart business (you are awakening the heart chakra - re-read astral dynamic material on the function of the heart chakra in the formation of the real time zone double)  is very important that is where the fundamental body is going to generate the real time zone double... it might be well to now introduce the akg heart intelligence exercise with a proviso to be alert for the potential to also integrate teh love exercises (love being the lubricant so to speak) as a computer guy you should be able to great a composite disk or ipod meditation potpourri... you are very close.

S.


I am hesitant to start the AKG exercises due to time constraints and not wanting to overload myself. I will look into this though and see if I can fit a little in.


Well, just pointed out that you are currently in a position to do a full court press… to great advantage… but, on the other hand you have the rest of your life now that you have tasted the potential of the non-physical…

S.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
This is where the tape recording device would be helpful for future reference... you need to id the location of the twitches and various body effects... you are activating the acupunture meridian networks...  be interesting and maybe helpful to come back to these to map the sequences and analyze them at a future time..


I've got a voice recorder on my blackberry so I can start with that and see.


Do you have a lapel mic… that works best to pick up all sounds… I connect mine to my head set to keep it close to my mouth and not get covered up with blankets which will muffle the output.

S.


Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
Soon you should have an 'ego' crisis you may already have had one... p. 56 akg when it happened use one of the stablizing techniques... do you have a confidant who accepts you and your goals unconditionally... and is a good listener... my first major crisis I had a bahia friend who doesn't believe any of my stuff but he quietly listened to my who made no judgement he quietly went away and maybe 'screamed'... but, didn't tell me about it.

S.


I've got a girlfriend who has not been judgmental yet, although she expresses concerns for going "too deep". These posts I make on this forum, my blog, and other forums are another form of release for me. I've considered going to a spiritualist church or at least SOME group of people I can share with - most of my current friends are not spiritual at all. This relates to the principle of love Steve Pavlina talks about. [/quote]

At some point you will have a major crisis and a personal live one on one confidant is important it has to do with the aura… but, it definitely has to be a spiritually evolved person and not just anyone…

By the way, I don’t want to alarm you but you should know you might become quite ill at some point I did but because I knew what it was I was not too alarmed… I am sorry to inform you this work is like being pregnant… you can’t just be a little bit pregnant… “too deep” isn’t the word for it… I hope you don’t get side track and lose a lot of year because of social pressure to quit.

S.



Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 1:14pm:
I recommend going directly to akg part i and ii, and do gateway as soon as you can... the personal trainers will be able to do private stuff to help you consolidate your gains in an experienced consulting mode (live one on one), but put about a month between programs... and you should consider (now that you are almost a god - to rest on Sunday do nothing connect with spiritual work just get it out of mind and environment)

S.


The gateway voyage in July would be about a month after I'm done this 90 day trial and it does coincide with where I had planned to take a 3-week vacation from work. Raising the money may be difficult though by then.. and I'm not sure what I would tell my friends and family lol![/quote]

If you allow family and friends to control you spiritual destiny… good luck..

S.
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Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:29pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:55pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 2:51pm:
dream two: I got lost in the city there are freeways and bus lines I don't know how to get where I am going... (I still don't wake up in the dream)... lucid dreaming is not one of my skills...


Could the network of roads represent your belief system tree and signify that you're feeling a little lost with parts of it?


That is an astute observation... that is probably the right interpretation.

By the way here are the ground rules I established with my Bahia friend... we took a walk in the desert... he was to listen until I finished then we could q and a... but, he was astounished at my past life memories and who I was and he never asked or discussed the consultation again.

That is the ideal scene.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:30pm
The quotes are getting a little messy so I will just do a regular reply lol.

I will do what I can. I don't have a lapel mic but if the blackberry doesn't pick it up that well then I can always get one.

Going to some spiritual church is my idea to find someone spirituality evolved in person. We'll see how that goes.

I don't have a problem with personal power, but there will be relationship conflicts (especially with my father). I just genuinely don't know how to go about explaining this to them. The best word I have that they would understand is "meditation". Even if I said something along the lines of "exploring consciousness" they would be lost. lol

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:32pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:30pm:
The quotes are getting a little messy so I will just do a regular reply lol.

I will do what I can. I don't have a lapel mic but if the blackberry doesn't pick it up that well then I can always get one.

Going to some spiritual church is my idea to find someone spirituality evolved in person. We'll see how that goes.

I don't have a problem with personal power, but there will be relationship conflicts (especially with my father). I just genuinely don't know how to go about explaining this to them. The best word I have that they would understand is "meditation". Even if I said something along the lines of "exploring consciousness" they would be lost. lol


Why tell them anything.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:35pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:32pm:
Why tell them anything.

S.


I don't have to, of course. But I do enjoy (trying to) have an open and communicative relationship with them.

And I guess one of my principles is honesty. I absolutely hate lying. Since I talk with them regularly it would almost certainly come up.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:50pm

goobygirl wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 12:05pm:
I use Gateway as well. I have a hard time reaching focus 10. I get numb then tingly but I'm not sure what's really going on if it is 10 or not. I feel like the time on the tapes given to reach 10 is not long enough. I often click out and wake up to Monroe telling me to do something. The other day he started talking in my ear after I had clicked out and I really had a startle! I mean, a gasp and a jump! ha ha


Have you got AKG and the discs… Bruce Moen’s relaxation exercise on that disc is the best around it is a perfect execution of Kiss (keep it simple stupid). You realize that numbness and the tingling is what you want to tease into becoming stronger and deeper they should eventually evolve into the “ ten thousand needles” the one of the precursors to the o.b.e event…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 4:25pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 3:50pm:
Have you got AKG and the discs… Bruce Moen’s relaxation exercise on that disc is the best around it is a perfect execution of Kiss (keep it simple stupid). You realize that numbness and the tingling is what you want to tease into becoming stronger and deeper they should eventually evolve into the “ ten thousand needles” the one of the precursors to the o.b.e event…

S.


I do have that yes. I am finding all the different techniques taught in MAP to be quite a lot. It's a good "sampler" but hard to really get good at one thing.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 5:09pm
4/23/2010 - Afternoon session:

This session characterized by three subtle movements of The Fundamental Body… the thump… (unusual noises mean an o.b.e. occurred… ) a being who look like out-of-body dude except he was wearing a black head ban… grabbed my arm… I suppose he was trying to drag me out of my body… I assume the real obd didn’t invade my space without my permission LOL!! I think this was a dream mind o.b.e. event..



S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:12pm
4/23/2010 - Evening session:

Very busy session… ornate visions… tabernacles…

Mulatto child… grayish blue eyes… watched matrix movie last night probably a echo image sequence… itch left side nose, energy streaming calf left leg… rib cage left side energy streaming… itching upper cheek left side…  heart chakra activating… silhouette of a man seated on a mound… may be nude or bare chested… kind of a Pan look but not half man/animal… in a halo blue light… see an alter… a tabernacle in the middle… door opens… Egyptian goddess… framed in opening…  triangular ornate framed mirror man’s bust in it… frame made of large orbs… gold?? Silver??? … 

This is my version of reaching the emitter and aperture… it is all very religious in symbolism and elaborate carvings and cathedral setting… very deep relaxed state… very much the watcher hard to talk for the tape…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 24th, 2010 at 2:02am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 11:12pm:
4/23/2010 - Evening session:

Very busy session… ornate visions… tabernacles…

Mulatto child… grayish blue eyes… watched matrix movie last night probably a echo image sequence… itch left side nose, energy streaming calf left leg… rib cage left side energy streaming… itching upper cheek left side…  heart chakra activating… silhouette of a man seated on a mound… may be nude or bare chested… kind of a Pan look but not half man/animal… in a halo blue light… see an alter… a tabernacle in the middle… door opens… Egyptian goddess… framed in opening…  triangular ornate framed mirror man’s bust in it… frame made of large orbs… gold?? Silver??? … 

This is my version of reaching the emitter and aperture… it is all very religious in symbolism and elaborate carvings and cathedral setting… very deep relaxed state… very much the watcher hard to talk for the tape…

S.


This is interesting, if I was in the research business it would be interesting to discover who designed the tabernacle holy Eucharist altar, chalice (Holy Grail) ritual in the Holy Roman Church… how far back does it go…. It is clear to me, someone in the early church knew of the emitter and the aperture and designed a ritual around it… but, the meaning of it as describe in Robert Monroe’s Ultimate Journey is lost… today it is an empty ritual… but, someone knew of it at one time….

It is also clear to me that the whole thing is an updating of Solomon’s Temple and at the center of the Temple in the Holy of Holies is The Ark of the Covenant…. (this got transposed into The Golden Tabernacle, as I always see it when I get enough altitude to visit the area…

This is most amazing and moving to experience… profound… full of in expressible meaning and fulfillment….

Thank you Universe for giving me this experience and insight… it is… beautiful!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 24th, 2010 at 1:43pm
4/24/2010 - morning session:

Got into a state I have never experience... I was a solid form... I could have stayed in this state forever... I thought except I have a life... LOL!! wonder where that goes... all you have to do to get out of any state is to think the number one... I wonder if this was a controlled sleep paralysis... hummmmm!!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 24th, 2010 at 6:05pm
4/24/2010 - Afternoon session:

Definitely a change it the manner I go into relaxed state but, not what I was expecting… there is a clear gaining of strength of volition… tho… still not like deciding to take one step forward or stand up as a baby just learning to walk might… but, a clear beginning of volition… had a strong piercing shock in my heart area it was subcutaneous so not sure if that was a heart chakra activation or the real heart somehow gets a stimulation jolt… but, I was very encouraged… number of o.b.e… flutters… it wants to happen!!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on Apr 24th, 2010 at 9:29pm
Seraphis, the symptoms you've described could as well be pulls from your ego, and/or the mundane life. I've found that it's important to discern from which "area" a feeling comes. For me it is often difficult to figure this out.

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 24th, 2010 at 11:01pm

spooky2 wrote on Apr 24th, 2010 at 9:29pm:
Seraphis, the symptoms you've described could as well be pulls from your ego, and/or the mundane life. I've found that it's important to discern from which "area" a feeling comes. For me it is often difficult to figure this out.

Spooky


The illusion IS the 'ego'... all form is ego... symptoms are form... and they are an illusion... the object to keep working until they all drop away and all that is left is 'Self'

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 24th, 2010 at 11:03pm
4/24/2010 - Evening session:

I must be very close to some kind of an event… there are some very unusual things happening… almost tempted to put the borderland disc in but if this one is doing something then I should take it to wherever it goes…

Eye on right side… looking up at a man’s face… could this be my real time zone double… must try to shift my poc into the form… lots of  Fundamental body shifts small but very subtle… saw myself behind my chair… but… my poc is still in my brain area… pineal gland?? Tried the bounce exercise… heart chakra engaging… wow!!! The universe stopped for a moment… !!!

Well gang tomorrow is Sunday… on the seventh day God rested… I am going to take a cue from God and rest all day tomorrow see  you on Monday.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 25th, 2010 at 4:03pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 43

Here it is, week 6! This is the week where I finally get to do some OBE exit techniques. This week will focus on Robert Bruce’s “Rope” technique, where you visualize and feel a rope above you that you use to climb. I have tried this method before in the past and have found it to quickly put me in a mind awake/body asleep state.

From the first couple sessions I’ve done already it’s apparent to me that I still need quite a bit of work on taming my mind. I find it hard to focus on one thing (ex. climbing the rope) for longer than 30 seconds, if that. I feel like this is the hardest part for most people, losing focus is so easy in this day and age.

I’ve read that it can take months/years of daily meditation to effectively quiet the mind. It’s clear to me that it’s probably going to take that long for me as well. I used to be quite aloof and lost in my own mind (and still am at times) so I have quite a bit of ground to cover.

So having an OBE in 90 days might be a bit of a stretch. I’ll give it my best effort though. This is probably why many people give up on the process. Luckily, there are many other benefits to this daily practice so I’m going to continue regardless.

On a bit of a practical note, I used to find the egg timer quite useful for pacing the various daily exercises. Now that I’ve done them so many times they are now memorized, and find it more beneficial to just keep my eyes closed and do the exercises at my own pace. This prevents me from breaking my trance state to reset the egg timer for the next exercise.

Over the past couple days I’ve felt quite a bit of tension at the top of my head while doing the exercises. I’m not sure if this is an energy build up or if this some part of my mind resisting the process. Maybe I am not relaxing enough beforehand, I’m not too sure.

One benefit to losing focus and going into a day dream while I meditate is that I’ve become much more aware of the “snap-back” feeling you get when you “wake up”. It literally feels like you’re falling or snapping back into your body. If you’ve ever had a dream where you’re falling and then wake up you’ll know what I’m talking about. The astral projection model/theory would suggest that it actually IS your subtle/energy body snapping back into alignment with your physical body.

In any case, becoming more aware of the subtle changes that occur between the awake/dreaming state is probably pretty key to becoming successful at OBE.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 26th, 2010 at 8:55pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 25th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 43

Over the past couple days I’ve felt quite a bit of tension at the top of my head while doing the exercises. I’m not sure if this is an energy build up or if this some part of my mind resisting the process. Maybe I am not relaxing enough beforehand, I’m not too sure.






Would you say it is like 'a crown of thorns'?? :)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 26th, 2010 at 8:57pm
4/26/2010 - Day Off:

Repaired and fly my helicopter yesterday.

http://www.xheli.com/esbicolarche.html

I love watching the helicopter slowly rise into the air… just like my o.b.e. experiences… except I haven’t tried to shift my poc into the cockpit…

But, I discovered something yesterday… I am given to power naps and I did three of them… odd thing happened I went right to borderland… I wasn’t supposed to do anything spiritual but there it was… I was imaging etc… but I was just the watcher…  but, the odd thing is that when I am ready to actually go to bed and sleep nothing happens… like my body knows the difference… I just sleep… in Monroe’s books he talked about sleeping and going for o.b.e. and that they were two different things but he never explained himself and I still don’t have a clue why it is different.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 26th, 2010 at 9:13pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 25th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 43

From the first couple sessions I’ve done already it’s apparent to me that I still need quite a bit of work on taming my mind. I find it hard to focus on one thing (ex. climbing the rope) for longer than 30 seconds, if that. I feel like this is the hardest part for most people, losing focus is so easy in this day and age.


What technique are you using to quiet your mind??



msagansk wrote on Apr 25th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 43

On a bit of a practical note, I used to find the egg timer quite useful for pacing the various daily exercises. Now that I’ve done them so many times they are now memorized, and find it more beneficial to just keep my eyes closed and do the exercises at my own pace. This prevents me from breaking my trance state to reset the egg timer for the next exercise.


Very good realization… find your own way of working… congratulations…


msagansk wrote on Apr 25th, 2010 at 4:03pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 43

One benefit to losing focus and going into a day dream while I meditate is that I’ve become much more aware of the “snap-back” feeling you get when you “wake up”. It literally feels like you’re falling or snapping back into your body. If you’ve ever had a dream where you’re falling and then wake up you’ll know what I’m talking about. The astral projection model/theory would suggest that it actually IS your subtle/energy body snapping back into alignment with your physical body.

In any case, becoming more aware of the subtle changes that occur between the awake/dreaming state is probably pretty key to becoming successful at OBE.


What makes you think you weren’t o.b. ? 

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 26th, 2010 at 11:28pm
For your first question, no I wouldn't say it's a crown of thorns. It's almost like a light-headed/tension headache sort of feeling.

To quiet my mind my main method is to focus on my breath, specifically on the chest/stomach.

And as for your last question, I suppose as a technicality I was OB. Just like a regular dream is OB... in the non-physical. I was just a little bit more conscious of the transition.

When I'm talking OBE I mean the more classic vibrations/lifting feeling where you get into the real-time zone. But I'll take what I can get. :)

Yeah, those helicopters are cool hehe.

I know what you mean about the naps too. I think it might have something to do with how tired your mind is at that time.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 27th, 2010 at 11:50am
[quote author=262228232A2E27382A2C2A253820224B0 link=1268502700/183#183 date=1272338918]

To quiet my mind my main method is to focus on my breath, specifically on the chest/stomach. [/qoute]


There are some subtlties about breathing that should begin to show up... it would be good for me to tell you about them... you need to discover them yourself... but, it comes naturally I think.

Have you used the perceiver/interpreter material yet... in attempting to separate the two and becoming aware of where they come from and how they start and propagate???

S. [/qoute]

Hi M: Sorry, I shouldn't have been so cryptic about the breathing... it's in the diaphram... (it could take you many years to stumble into it... it was a little unfair to not tell you that much anyway)... get a book on singing... classical training... it will explain diaphramatic breath techniques... once you get that the other parts will be naturally developed by intuition... (also hatha yoga teachers can give you exercises concerning diaphramatic breathing.

You might want to read: Alvin Schwartz's - "An Unlikely Prophet"

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 27th, 2010 at 11:56am

msagansk wrote on Apr 26th, 2010 at 11:28pm:
Yeah, those helicopters are cool hehe.

.


Do you fly?  Meditate on the slow, smooth rising into the air of the helicopter... it is an amazing sensation. Think of how that relates to the slow separation of the RTZDouble as it lifts out of the body and floats, hovering over the body...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 27th, 2010 at 12:00pm
I've read about the perceiver/interpreter but I have not done the exercises yet. It makes sense to me intellectually though.

I don't use those helicopters regularly, no.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 27th, 2010 at 4:44pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 26th, 2010 at 11:28pm:
I know what you mean about the naps too. I think it might have something to do with how tired your mind is at that time.
O


4/27/2010 - Power nap session:

It happened again... I got into a power nap mode and sat in my session recliner an I began to go into borderland... first the purple pulsing light began to imminate out of the third eye/pituitary?? and I stayed with it... a hole formed in the center of the pulse and I saw all this black forms like chairs... tables and arabic symbols just randomly being created... then... I had the big event... the biggest fundamental body shift I ever experience... I was two beings for a fraction of a second... but, very pronounced... then all of a sudden a stage with table and a microphone stand appeared... like a stand up comic was about to perform.... then I just came slowly out it... I wonder how you consciously induce that state....

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 27th, 2010 at 8:17pm
4/27/2010 - Afternoon session:

Emerald green curtains (this is the color of the heart chakra generally… wonder if I am getting a new heart chakra symbol of activation…). In the first stage separation cut of gateway experience there is an exercise that guides in backing slowly out of the body… in this session I seem to be looking down a long corridor as I (sensation of moving) begin to seem to see the top of my head and the back of my recliner… I don’t have a clear feeling of being in the rtz double or that there even is a rtz double… but I do appear to see myself… I think this is a mind split phenomena… or a phasing event as opposed to obe… now I see a youth standing dressed very Venice, Ca beach boy style… could this be the rtx double… my poc… is still in my pineal gland… heart chakra activates in the conventional manner I am used to… looking back at myself (entered the instruction to be a cloud emerging out of a hole in the top of my head…) another mind split because I am seeing a Frederico Fellini looking Italian empressario in a white suit with a floppy brimmed white fedora looking very rakish…and looking right at me with a mischievous smile… this has to be the rtz double… (but I never think to move my poc…don’t seem to have presence of mind)… I must be accessing the dream mind… for some reason… (this has to be the right interpretation…because my Fundamental Energy body is shaking like jello… very pronounce… it is trying to break loose… )  EOS!

S.








Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 27th, 2010 at 9:23pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 27th, 2010 at 8:17pm:
4/27/2010 - Afternoon session:

Emerald green curtains (this is the color of the heart chakra generally… wonder if I am getting a new heart chakra symbol of activation…). In the first stage separation cut of gateway experience there is an exercise that guides in backing slowly out of the body… in this session I seem to be looking down a long corridor as I (sensation of moving) begin to seem to see the top of my head and the back of my recliner… I don’t have a clear feeling of being in the rtz double or that there even is a rtz double… but I do appear to see myself… I think this is a mind split phenomena… or a phasing event as opposed to obe… now I see a youth standing dressed very Venice, Ca beach boy style… could this be the rtx double… my poc… is still in my pineal gland… heart chakra activates in the conventional manner I am used to… looking back at myself (entered the instruction to be a cloud emerging out of a hole in the top of my head…) another mind split because I am seeing a Frederico Fellini looking Italian empressario in a white suit with a floppy brimmed white fedora looking very rakish…and looking right at me with a mischievous smile… this has to be the rtz double… (but I never think to move my poc…don’t seem to have presence of mind)… I must be accessing the dream mind… for some reason… (this has to be the right interpretation…because my Fundamental Energy body is shaking like jello… very pronounce… it is trying to break loose… )  EOS!

S.








What technique are you using for this session?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 27th, 2010 at 9:37pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 45

I’ve finished reading the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook as well as The Secret of the Soul. The Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook is absolutely fantastic and I am starting to incorporate its exercises into my daily practice. I’ll be writing about my experiences with it as well.

I flipped through The Secret of the Soul as the writing didn’t appeal to me that much, much of it was testimonials about things I already knew about or concepts that seemed more rudimentary than Monroe’s Focus Level system. I’ve also been casually reading about traditional yoga (not the physical exercise), Thomas Campbell’s online material, as well as the posts made by Frank Kepple on the subject of phasing.

Today’s main OBE exit technique was to imagine climbing a rope downards. While doing this I felt intense pressure on top of head, like a vice, which later moved down to my third eye and then stayed there. Pressure stopped as soon as I stopped the exercise, although a mild throbbing was felt afterward. This pressure was very intense and made it quite difficult to focus on climbing down the rope.

The pressure was a downward pressure, almost as if my the act of imagining the downward climbing was pulling my etheric body. But for some reason I guess it didn’t want to let go… I also think I started to feel my heart chakra flutter but my excitement and awareness of it quickly made it stop.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 28th, 2010 at 3:24pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 27th, 2010 at 8:19pm:
4/27/2010 - Afternoon session:

Emerald green curtains (this is the color of the heart chakra generally… wonder if I am getting a new heart chakra symbol of activation…). In the first stage separation cut of gateway experience there is an exercise that guides in backing slowly out of the body… in this session I seem to be looking down a long corridor as I (sensation of moving) begin to seem to see the top of my head and the back of my recliner… I don’t have a clear feeling of being in the rtz double or that there even is a rtz double… but I do appear to see myself… I think this is a mind split phenomena… or a phasing event as opposed to obe… now I see a youth standing dressed very Venice, Ca beach boy style… could this be the rtx double… my poc… is still in my pineal gland… heart chakra activates in the conventional manner I am used to… looking back at myself (entered the instruction to be a cloud emerging out of a hole in the top of my head…) another mind split because I am seeing a Frederico Fellini looking Italian empressario in a white suit with a floppy brimmed white fedora looking very rakish…and looking right at me with a mischievous smile… this has to be the rtz double… (but I never think to move my poc…don’t seem to have presence of mind)… I must be accessing the dream mind… for some reason… (this has to be the right interpretation…because my Fundamental Energy body is shaking like jello… very pronounce… it is trying to break loose… )  EOS!

S.



4/28/2010 - morning session:

Every time I get what seems to be a break through… I.e… the fact that the entities I see may be my rtz-double and I should try to shift my poc into the double…, that I seem to have this affinity for the dream territory and somehow drift into it… but, more importantly I seem to naturally do the mind split thing… so naturally I thought my next session would extend the last… but, it seems that after one of these event - full sessions one has to reload… so to speak…

This one opens with body sensations… again… they haven’t been around for awhile… energy began to stream on the left arm at the bicep level… left thigh… energy streaming downward… solar plexus spasms… around the lineal and phrenic plexus on the left side… itching left nostril lower right inner portion… sharp pains in right inner ring finger and middle finger area just about the joint… dark blue sky on undulating horizon… looking into a modern living room see the back of a brunette… paige boy cut short hair… white blouse… black baggy jumpers… itching in left ear upper inner lobe… sharp painful nerve jolts along the outer rim of the left foot… picture of a horse feeding off a tree…

As you can see there was no chance to attempt a poc transfer… tho in retrospect is the brunnette!!!! My rtz-double should I have tried to transfer my poc into her… my, my… I think I goofed… !!!! LOL!!!!

S.

ps: toward the end of the session the body numbness became very pronounced and is getting ready to encompass my whole body... that should be interesting when I am completely and total numb everywhere...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 28th, 2010 at 3:30pm

msagansk wrote on Apr 27th, 2010 at 9:23pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 27th, 2010 at 8:17pm:
4/27/2010 - Afternoon session:

Emerald green curtains (this is the color of the heart chakra generally… wonder if I am getting a new heart chakra symbol of activation…). In the first stage separation cut of gateway experience there is an exercise that guides in backing slowly out of the body… in this session I seem to be looking down a long corridor as I (sensation of moving) begin to seem to see the top of my head and the back of my recliner… I don’t have a clear feeling of being in the rtz double or that there even is a rtz double… but I do appear to see myself… I think this is a mind split phenomena… or a phasing event as opposed to obe… now I see a youth standing dressed very Venice, Ca beach boy style… could this be the rtx double… my poc… is still in my pineal gland… heart chakra activates in the conventional manner I am used to… looking back at myself (entered the instruction to be a cloud emerging out of a hole in the top of my head…) another mind split because I am seeing a Frederico Fellini looking Italian empressario in a white suit with a floppy brimmed white fedora looking very rakish…and looking right at me with a mischievous smile… this has to be the rtz double… (but I never think to move my poc…don’t seem to have presence of mind)… I must be accessing the dream mind… for some reason… (this has to be the right interpretation…because my Fundamental Energy body is shaking like jello… very pronounce… it is trying to break loose… )  EOS!

S.


What technique are you using for this session?


I have settled into a routine... the akg - relaxation tape as a prompt with diaphramatic breathing with a twist... hard to explain... so you will have to discover this on your own... I think it is intuitive it more or less was for me... but, I will interested in a description of your breathing sequence and what happens physiologically... let us know this... (it is the reason you need the tape... you probably won't remember the sequence physiological sensations without it...)

then my program shifts to the gateway experience... first stage separation exercise...

That's it for now, I won't change anything until it stops producing effects and what seems to be advancement... my policy is if it's working keep doing it until it stops working...

S.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 28th, 2010 at 3:38pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 28th, 2010 at 3:24pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 27th, 2010 at 8:19pm:
4/27/2010 - Afternoon session:

Emerald green curtains (this is the color of the heart chakra generally… wonder if I am getting a new heart chakra symbol of activation…). In the first stage separation cut of gateway experience there is an exercise that guides in backing slowly out of the body… in this session I seem to be looking down a long corridor as I (sensation of moving) begin to seem to see the top of my head and the back of my recliner… I don’t have a clear feeling of being in the rtz double or that there even is a rtz double… but I do appear to see myself… I think this is a mind split phenomena… or a phasing event as opposed to obe… now I see a youth standing dressed very Venice, Ca beach boy style… could this be the rtx double… my poc… is still in my pineal gland… heart chakra activates in the conventional manner I am used to… looking back at myself (entered the instruction to be a cloud emerging out of a hole in the top of my head…) another mind split because I am seeing a Frederico Fellini looking Italian empressario in a white suit with a floppy brimmed white fedora looking very rakish…and looking right at me with a mischievous smile… this has to be the rtz double… (but I never think to move my poc…don’t seem to have presence of mind)… I must be accessing the dream mind… for some reason… (this has to be the right interpretation…because my Fundamental Energy body is shaking like jello… very pronounce… it is trying to break loose… )  EOS!

S.



4/28/2010 - morning session:

Every time I get what seems to be a break through… I.e… the fact that the entities I see may be my rtz-double and I should try to shift my poc into the double…, that I seem to have this affinity for the dream territory and somehow drift into it… but, more importantly I seem to naturally do the mind split thing… so naturally I thought my next session would extend the last… but, it seems that after one of these event - full sessions one has to reload… so to speak…

This one opens with body sensations… again… they haven’t been around for awhile… energy began to stream on the left arm at the bicep level… left thigh… energy streaming downward… solar plexus spasms… around the lineal and phrenic plexus on the left side… itching left nostril lower right inner portion… sharp pains in right inner ring finger and middle finger area just about the joint… dark blue sky on undulating horizon… looking into a modern living room see the back of a brunette… paige boy cut short hair… white blouse… black baggy jumpers… itching in left ear upper inner lobe… sharp painful nerve jolts along the outer rim of the left foot… picture of a horse feeding off a tree…

As you can see there was no chance to attempt a poc transfer… tho in retrospect is the brunnette!!!! My rtz-double should I have tried to transfer my poc into her… my, my… I think I goofed… !!!! LOL!!!!

S.

ps: toward the end of the session the body numbness became very pronounced and is getting ready to encompass my whole body... that should be interesting when I am completely and total numb everywhere...

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 28th, 2010 at 6:17pm
4/28/2010 - Afternoon session:

Just came out of session… I feel very mature and different… I successfully got my p.o.c. into the rtz-double… On the astral I am a (dream world??) very beautiful, blond, blue-eyed angel wearing very electric blue robes… wonder how long this state will last…

My heart chakra is still active as I write…

Session opened as follows: Heart chakra activating… someone is looking at me… electric blue clad (robe) angel reaching for something… I decide to shift my p.o.c. into the rtz-double… I accomplish the shift I see my body sitting in the chair… I hear someone say, ‘We (I) was wondering when you would figure this out…’… I become very confused… the tape instructions are coming in and I can’t decide what to do… looking in a book of pictures… bldg in to classical stone structures… could be 19th century architecture… baby upside down… I hear music… and seem to be aware of dancing… but not clear… kissing going on… heart chakra… everything is royal blue… my skull is pulsing… pressure on the top of my head… bill fisher calling me…

S.

ps: something like this:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/blond%20male%20angel%20blue%20robes/skgang/Male%20Extras/WhiteSorcerer-2.jpg



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 28th, 2010 at 7:54pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 28th, 2010 at 3:30pm:
I have settled into a routine... the akg - relaxation tape as a prompt with diaphramatic breathing with a twist... hard to explain... so you will have to discover this on your own... I think it is intuitive it more or less was for me... but, I will interested in a description of your breathing sequence and what happens physiologically... let us know this... (it is the reason you need the tape... you probably won't remember the sequence physiological sensations without it...)

then my program shifts to the gateway experience... first stage separation exercise...

That's it for now, I won't change anything until it stops producing effects and what seems to be advancement... my policy is if it's working keep doing it until it stops working...


There's nothing special that I do. I sometimes focus on my nostrils as I breathe, sometimes my chest. I've started doing 3DRB at the start of my session as well.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 12:46am
4/28/2010 - evening session:

Just finished the joob session… very tired… laid down to sleep… I am in a full blown… akg - p. 56 crisis… the spiritual astral angelic ego, the mature loving entity which is my higher nature wants to stay and integrate… I knew it probably would fade or I thought it would fade, but, the spiritual ego is in a struggle with my current ego which does not want to give up…

I am jittery, listless and kind of confused… edgy and a bit cranky… but, there is now a part of me that… that wants to see everything as beautiful… the other older part wants the old duality of that which is ugly and repulsive… that is the natural order of things… everything is not beautiful… women with fat asses are not beautiful to the old me… women with fat asses are beautiful just as God created them and that which God creates makes them beautiful…

The spiritual ego exalts God… Gloria in Excelsis Deo… but the old ego says… god is okay but every day, every minute… all the time… that is ridiculous… absorbing light… being in a state of joy all the time… the other ego wants to be realistic… life is not joy all the time or so it thinks… it likes pain and suffering… occasionally… it wants to create it to feel alive and real… pain and suffering is real…

My spiritual ego knows this is not true… the whole of the physical universe is an illusion…

I need to let go of the need to feel pain and suffering to know that I exist… well the old ego needed it to know it exists… who will win this struggle… the spiritual ego is intense and radiates at a frequency that is many orders of magnitude above what I am used to… can I take a sudden dose of spiritual intensity without burning up… that is the question… stay tuned…



S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 7:53am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 29th, 2010 at 12:46am:
4/28/2010 - evening session:

Just finished the joob session… very tired… laid down to sleep… I am in a full blown… akg - p. 56 crisis… the spiritual astral angelic ego, the mature loving entity which is my higher nature wants to stay and integrate… I knew it probably would fade or I thought it would fade, but, the spiritual ego is in a struggle with my current ego which does not want to give up…

I am jittery, listless and kind of confused… edgy and a bit cranky… but, there is now a part of me that… that wants to see everything as beautiful… the other older part wants the old duality of that which is ugly and repulsive… that is the natural order of things… everything is not beautiful… women with fat asses are not beautiful to the old me… women with fat asses are beautiful just as God created them and that which God creates makes them beautiful…

The spiritual ego exalts God… Gloria in Excelsis Deo… but the old ego says… god is okay but every day, every minute… all the time… that is ridiculous… absorbing light… being in a state of joy all the time… the other ego wants to be realistic… life is not joy all the time or so it thinks… it likes pain and suffering… occasionally… it wants to create it to feel alive and real… pain and suffering is real…

My spiritual ego knows this is not true… the whole of the physical universe is an illusion…

I need to let go of the need to feel pain and suffering to know that I exist… well the old ego needed it to know it exists… who will win this struggle… the spiritual ego is intense and radiates at a frequency that is many orders of magnitude above what I am used to… can I take a sudden dose of spiritual intensity without burning up… that is the question… stay tuned…



S.



4/29/2010 - morning dream:

The struggle of my ego transition continues.

Woke up with my solar plexus in knots…

Biblically: ‘The bottomless pit, is the abdomen area, or solar plexus, where your main organs are, this is EGYPT.’

The solar plexus chakra contains all the pairs of opposites that keep the Universe real as it works in conjunction with the navel and root chakra to maintain the illusion…

In the Masonic tradition… Hyram Abiff the master builder (my spiritual ego) is accosted by the three apprentices… Jubela,  Jubelo, Jubelum… (the three lower chakras and the lower ‘ego’ with wants to get in control of the laws to control the universe) when he refuses to give them the ‘keys’ they kill him.

In my dream: Someone has killed my sheep… I know who it is I go over to his ranch and kill his sheep… and shoot the ranch hands who try to stop me… the others throw down their arms and walk out with their hands up… I am yelling and screaming at them…

I wake up…

I know that The lamb is the Pineal gland, that gets roasted at the passover, as the electrical energy passes over it. This is the real meaning of the passover, as the lamb (pineal gland) is roasted.

That is the tradition… and this must have some relationship to what is going on in my current crisis but I don’t have a clue how to interpret it… except that I just keep doing what I am doing… keep on keeping on…

The only other parallel is the Cain and Abel story which in the dream there are no symbols pointing to this… I awakened my spiritual ego (Abel) yesterday… it wants to stay awakened… my lower ego (Cain) wants to kill it…

I the watcher am an innocent bystander…

This a big problem when you are going it alone without a guru. But it can be done.

S

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Volu on Apr 29th, 2010 at 3:00pm
Seraphis1,

The solar plexus is egypt? What? Your last posts seem to be curve fitting internal struggles into a belief structure that makes no sense. Maybe I'm thick as a brick. Mysticism aside, what's the struggle about?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 29th, 2010 at 4:33pm

Volu wrote on Apr 29th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
Seraphis1,

The solar plexus is egypt? What? Your last posts seem to be curve fitting internal struggles into a belief structure that makes no sense. Maybe I'm thick as a brick. Mysticism aside, what's the struggle about?


I agree, I'm pretty lost.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 6:30pm

Volu wrote on Apr 29th, 2010 at 3:00pm:
Seraphis1,

The solar plexus is egypt? What? Your last posts seem to be curve fitting internal struggles into a belief structure that makes no sense. Maybe I'm thick as a brick. Mysticism aside, what's the struggle about?


Hi Volu: In Biblical symbolism... Egypt is the lower world... ruled thru the Solar Plexus chakra... Moses is the higher self and ascends out of Egypt to the upper levels of consciousness. Using the staff... (spinal column and raising kundalini).

Ultimately, this is not important in the modern era... I personally understand how it works and what it means and can use the concepts effectively... unless you have done a deep study of it I would ignore it.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 29th, 2010 at 6:35pm
4/29/2010 - Afternoon session:

Well, that was a harrowing eventful 48 hours in my life… first after this mornings dream incident and aftermath decided to use my Bahia Confidant… it worked really, really well… got the whole thing in the open… it was a Jungian experience in which much of the unconscious underpinnings of the events of the last 48 hours were brought to the surface…

Went back to akg - p 56, I figure my ‘belief-system’ crash to fit…

1. Disorientation
2. Disassociation

The solution was the Confidant. I feel very stabilize and in control right this moment… was unable to do any (and BM doesn’t recommend pressing in situations such as this… ) to do any sessions until 2pm…

Decide to continue with the relaxation cut and the first stage separation cut… there is no point in trying to second guess how to proceed and jump around willy nilly… I still have to get 100 % relaxation down and I still have to satisfy the fss… requirements so that is what I will continue to do until I get a real change up signal.

The session went well… I hesitated to explain my breathing system to you M… because I wasn’t sure what I was intuiting… now, I know I discovered the full implications of it in this session… YOU CAN ISOLATE, CONTACT AND RELAX EACH PHYSICAL ANLAGE OF THE SOLAR PLEXUS… I assume the isomeric relationship between the etheric body where the solar plexus chakra resides and the solar plexus nerve ganglia are interacting but I have not discovered the pathway as I did with the heart chakra (I.e… thru the Vagus/aortic ganglia connection).
The diaphragm is undoubtedly the mechanical control for the solar plexus and therefore the solar plexus chakra… thus the heavy emphasis in the various Yoga systems for diaphragmatic breathe… when I woke up this morning with knots in my solar plexus region they were on the left side and just about where the phrenic plexus, suprarenal plexus and the Lienal plexus are positioned… thus, the dream was activating through this area and this must be where the lower ego resides and attempts to defend itself… [In the Biblical account Saul is a personification of the Solar Plexus chakra… he is unable to give up everything as God commanded… I.e… he was to completely destroy the enemy… leave nothing alive… people, cattle and property… he doesn’t obey the command in its entirety… thus closing himself off from the higher self and higher chakras… ].

So with proper control of the breath one can isolate each nerve plexus center and relax it… I don’t know exactly what will happen… there may be a streaming of past life events to be confronted because I suspect this is the gateway to the unconscious mind.

All in all this first successful session since the Angel event… I am happy with it.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Apr 29th, 2010 at 9:46pm
That's interesting, you're targeting specific muscles with each relaxation/breath and it ties into much more than I ever thought. I always just figured relaxation was to make sure your tense muscles wouldn't interfere with the practice.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 30th, 2010 at 12:59am

msagansk wrote on Apr 29th, 2010 at 9:46pm:
That's interesting, you're targeting specific muscles with each relaxation/breath and it ties into much more than I ever thought. I always just figured relaxation was to make sure your tense muscles wouldn't interfere with the practice.


Hi M: I am not targeting... the experiential effort is revealing a subtle intuitive action... I free associate so that I go with the flow and something happens and my interpreter... explains what is going on... then I objectify the subjective... I have no plan... I just keep doing the exercise and go with the flow...

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 30th, 2010 at 1:40pm
4/30/2010 - morning session:

Session starts immediately with sharp pain in just under little finger joint near middle finger joint. (reflexology hand map suggest… my heart chakra is reflecting activation in another way… if you will remember… it used emerald green curtains to activate)… sharp pains forth toe little toe outer portion right foot… (reflexology hand map suggest… brain area activation… pineal?? Pituitary??)…  reclining brunette long flowing hair period dress… medieval era… favors Ava Gardner…

Close to this except for the outfit… as I said medieval… she seems very Mary Magdalene like…

http://www.katearecchi.com/ava_gardner_01.jpg

I try to shift poc into her… not successful… already occupied… not the rtz-double…

Eos… interrupted by housekeeping forgot to put up my meditation sign.

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Apr 30th, 2010 at 11:07pm
4/30/2010 - morning session:

I’ve satisfied at least two of the four conditions for an obe…

1. 100 % relaxation… I think it is about 95 % not sure bur feel completely relaxed with subtle variations… have no way to evaluate the state…

2. I have quieted my mind to the extent that I can id the perceiver… image and visual maker… see vague visuals… interpreter… lite effort of the interpeter to id the visuals… but… it sputters…

3. Shifting my poc is a problem….

But, I can’t describe this sensation of a big build up of some force… it wants to explode… it is building something like inflating a balloon… but, the disc always goes into shutdown come back mode when this happens… not sure what to do… I attempt to stay in session when disc ends but… it seems to bring back from the edge and I don’t have the (psychic energy??) to hold the tight rope walk….

The fourth condition is to have enough psychic energy to sustain the state….

Intuitively I suspect that keeping on keeping on is the solution…


S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 1st, 2010 at 2:16am

Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 30th, 2010 at 11:07pm:
4/30/2010 - morning session:

I’ve satisfied at least two of the four conditions for an obe…

1. 100 % relaxation… I think it is about 95 % not sure bur feel completely relaxed with subtle variations… have no way to evaluate the state…

2. I have quieted my mind to the extent that I can id the perceiver… image and visual maker… see vague visuals… interpreter… lite effort of the interpeter to id the visuals… but… it sputters…

3. Shifting my poc is a problem….

But, I can’t describe this sensation of a big build up of some force… it wants to explode…

it is building something like inflating a balloon… but, the disc always goes into shutdown come back mode when this happens… not sure what to do… I attempt to stay in session when disc ends but… it seems to bring back from the edge and I don’t have the (psychic energy??) to hold the tight rope walk….

The fourth condition is to have enough psychic energy to sustain the state….

Intuitively I suspect that keeping on keeping on is the solution…


S.


Just as I was about to go to sleep... I had a thought... there are four phases of the obe... The fundamental energy body which generates the expanded energy body I wonder is the But, I can’t describe this sensation of a big build up of some force… it wants to explode… IS the expanded energy body attempting to generate... ???

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 2nd, 2010 at 12:17am
5/1/2010 - evening session:

I finally think I know what it is I am doing…
Session starts with a sharp pain in the phrenic plexus… at last I have duplicated consciously a pain… getting into the solar plexus and consequently the solar plexus chakra is a toe in the door… my breathing technique is beginning to payoff… feeling very confident in this path…

Got a body jolt… (obe symptom)… fundamental energy body shivering very subtly like a bowl of jello… had the filling balloon sensation… very pronounced… must be close… steady as she goes…

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 2nd, 2010 at 4:56pm
5/2/2010 - Power nap:

Today is supposed to be my day of rest.. But I did a power nap and holy cow… the vibrations came in… I must be very close to a controlled o.b.e…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 2nd, 2010 at 5:17pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 51

So about a week has gone by with trying OBE exit techniques, and I am making progress. It seems like there won’t be any major changes to the day by day practice according to Mastering Astral Projection. The only thing that changes is a different exit technique to try every couple of days.

Fundamentally though, all the exit techniques are pretty much the same. The basic idea is to focus your awareness to a point in space outside your body. My favorite so far has been the basic rope technique, where you imagine yourself climbing a rope upwards from your body.

A major roadblock I’ve hit is that I have a hard time keeping my mind focused on climbing the rope for more than maybe 30 seconds. I’m getting better at catching myself wandering with my thoughts, but sometimes it really surprises me. One minute I’ll be practicing my exit technique, and the next minute I’ll realize that I had been daydreaming and I don’t even realize how I lost track/focus.

On the other hand, I’m starting to notice a distinction between some of the daydreams. Some of them are clearly my own subconscious mind worrying about various aspects of my life (the ego, I guess). However, others can be rather – weird. I’ll sometimes “see” people I’ve never met before quite clearly, in a situation that seems beyond what my own mind could come up with. Maybe they’re just symbolism/metaphors created by my own mind, but they seem so random and out of place. If you are familiar with the perceiver/interpreter concept by Bruce Moen, then I think I may be getting better at non-physical perception without letting my interpreter run away with the thought (which I have noticed as well).

One time while I was meditating and realized I had lost focus, I actually saw (not visualized) myself go through a dark tunnel (1st person viewpoint) when I regained awareness. That was pretty cool, but also VERY subtle and easy to miss/forget. I really had to stop for a moment and think: “Holy crap, what was that? REMEMBER this Mike…” because I find a lot of my “daydreams” while meditating are not actively stored by my memory – they slip away quite quickly.

Depending on your definition of OBE some of you might say I’ve already been successful by the experiences I’ve just mentioned, and my lucid dream in the past. Through my readings I’ve discovered just how broad “out-of-body” really is. The classic floating above your physical body in the real-time zone is actually only a VERY small subset of the continuum of consciousness. I’m very interested in exploring all of this quite a bit further.

In my search to improve the focus of my mind and self awareness I’ve stumbled across traditional Yoga. I’m not talking about the physical fitness program you see in the West, but the original and true Yoga. The Yogis figured all of this consciousness “stuff” out (including OBE and more) thousands of years ago! One particular site I like is SwamiJ.com, because it has a huge wealth of free knowledge on this topic.

In MAP, there are optional exercises in the 90 day program. I’ve substituted some of those for exercises I feel would be more beneficial to me, based on what I’ve learned from other authors. I’ve been listening to a Hemi-Sync track once a day, which I absolutely love. I try to be as present and aware as possible throughout the regular happenings of my day, and I’ve extended the time I practice mind taming each day. I usually do breath awareness for mind taming, but I’ve recently been experimenting with repeating a mantra.

I’ve been noticing a gradual shift in my overall world view as well. I find myself becoming less materialistic, or at least am noticing just how materialistic the culture is where I live. There just isn’t any balance, mostly everything is about exterior facets of life with very little emphasis on the interior. But it’s the interior that actually matters, because everything else is just temporary.

I think that if more people realized that consciousness is eternal and that the whole point is to have it evolve and grow in knowledge, then there wouldn’t be so much focus on materialism and so many of our problems would go away.

Heh, sorry for getting a little carried away there. ;)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 1:37am

msagansk wrote on May 2nd, 2010 at 5:17pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 51

One time while I was meditating and realized I had lost focus, I actually saw (not visualized) myself go through a dark tunnel (1st person viewpoint) when I regained awareness. That was pretty cool, but also VERY subtle and easy to miss/forget. I really had to stop for a moment and think: “Holy crap, what was that? REMEMBER this Mike…” because I find a lot of my “daydreams” while meditating are not actively stored by my memory – they slip away quite quickly.


Hi M: This is the kind of thing that a running commentary on the tape would preserve for you in real time… otherwise you will lose a lot of useful stuff..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 1:46am

msagansk wrote on May 2nd, 2010 at 5:17pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 51

I’ve been noticing a gradual shift in my overall world view as well. I find myself becoming less materialistic, or at least am noticing just how materialistic the culture is where I live. There just isn’t any balance, mostly everything is about exterior facets of life with very little emphasis on the interior. But it’s the interior that actually matters, because everything else is just temporary.


Hi M: I brought this up before… think about context and content… you are recontextualizing (.I.e.. the belief-system structure is reordering… watch this closely… )

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 3rd, 2010 at 9:42am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 1:37am:
Hi M: This is the kind of thing that a running commentary on the tape would preserve for you in real time… otherwise you will lose a lot of useful stuff..


That's a good point.. but wouldn't talking break the trance?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 11:03am

msagansk wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 9:42am:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 1:37am:
Hi M: This is the kind of thing that a running commentary on the tape would preserve for you in real time… otherwise you will lose a lot of useful stuff..


That's a good point.. but wouldn't talking break the trance?


Hi M: It is an acquired skill... actually I pick highlights... and softly put in key words... akg... talks about it and gives an exercise... I don't find it breaks the trance...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:09pm
5/3/2010 - morning session:

Too well rested… not even close to borderland state… but it is interesting that the ego is trying to discredit the work… trying to shut it down… delivering some very disparaging remarks and I told you so commentary…

Streaming energy under the right leg at bend… (a name came up - deleted)… pressure left frontal lobe…  heart chakra activating… lookout cage (guard???) top of prison wall… (Mike here is where I completely forgot this incident… only the tape triggered the information)… start of a risqué sexual encounter with my ex-wife… (deleted)…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:31pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:09pm:
(Mike here is where I completely forgot this incident… only the tape triggered the information)
S.


Hehe ok. :)

You know, a second person suggested that I get a tape recorder today as well.. Maybe I should take the hint? heh.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 4:29pm

msagansk wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:31pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 3:09pm:
(Mike here is where I completely forgot this incident… only the tape triggered the information)
S.


Hehe ok. :)

You know, a second person suggested that I get a tape recorder today as well.. Maybe I should take the hint? heh.


M: An accurate record is important in relative terms for research purposes or if you eventually decide to write a book or something... especially the physiology... your reports are lacking in the physiology of what is going on... we're going to have to hook you up to an ekg, cat scan and mri system... LOL!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 7:13pm
5/3/2010 - afternoon session:

Nothing goes like I think it is going to go… I am now experiencing the rigid body… I think this is another phase of the deep relaxation syndrome tho I thought it was going to be the ‘ten thousand needles’… but, clearly my body IS asleep and this rigid state is ‘sleep paralysis’ without the fear or anxiety…

Session opens with a Fundamental energy body shift… I am aware of my physical heart ‘thumping’… that is odd I think… purple light pulse developing… heart chakra activating… I become aware of my body going ’rigid’… and I realize I am in a state of ’concentration’…

[In Yoga there are five phases of controlled conscious awareness:

1. Concentration (if you can sustain concentration which is the hardest part…the state unfolds into….meditation.)
2. Meditation… (in Yoga this is a very specialize state and not to be confused with the meaning of the word as in common usage)… the best I can describe it in Monrovian terms is the meditative state allows one to enter the M-Field in a controlled way… this apparently are where the powers are… and one is admonished not to attempt to cultivate these powers…one is to sustain the state… if one sustains the state one unfolds into… contemplation)
3. Contemplation… another specialize state with a definition other than the common understanding… (I think if you sustain the meditative state you enter the Monrovian state of timelessness…)…
4. The Sub-Superconscious state: If one sustains Contemplation one unfolds into the Sub-Superconscious state… I think this the area between focus 21 and focus 27 (inclusive)…
5. Superconscious State: Sustain TSSS and it unfolds into the SS… and this is where the Emitter and the Aperture is found…]

At this point I entered the dream mind… I was in bed with a woman… we look up and a Bishop in full regalia with a couple of attendants come in... his vestments are covered with gleaming green and white emeralds or some such gems… I am aware he has come to perform the marriage ceremony…

(I think this is a dream mind attempt to process and resolve the movie series I watched last night Judith Wharton’s - The Buccaneers…)

Feel great pressure on my forehead at the brow point…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 3rd, 2010 at 11:11pm
5/3/2010 - evening session:

This was a strange session… it start with everything being black… I winked out for a major section of the first part of fss - disc… then solar plexus chakra activated… later heart chakra… then the throat chakra… stayed in session at end of disc for some time…


Black signifies isolation and transition period. ... This is an auspicious color to dream about:signifies freedom, success, money and happy and long-lasting ...


Well, tomorrow is another day.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 3rd, 2010 at 11:53pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 4:29pm:
M: An accurate record is important in relative terms for research purposes or if you eventually decide to write a book or something... especially the physiology... your reports are lacking in the physiology of what is going on... we're going to have to hook you up to an ekg, cat scan and mri system... LOL!!

S.


Lol.. I jury rigged my headset and a long audio cable connected to my PC with Audacity as the software recorder. It works.. and it can filter out background noise. This will work for my evening sessions, but not my morning or lunch sessions when I'm away from the computer.

Will do for now!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 3rd, 2010 at 11:54pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 7:13pm:
5/3/2010 - afternoon session:

Nothing goes like I think it is going to go… I am now experiencing the rigid body… I think this is another phase of the deep relaxation syndrome tho I thought it was going to be the ‘ten thousand needles’… but, clearly my body IS asleep and this rigid state is ‘sleep paralysis’ without the fear or anxiety…

Session opens with a Fundamental energy body shift… I am aware of my physical heart ‘thumping’… that is odd I think… purple light pulse developing… heart chakra activating… I become aware of my body going ’rigid’… and I realize I am in a state of ’concentration’…

[In Yoga there are five phases of controlled conscious awareness:

1. Concentration (if you can sustain concentration which is the hardest part…the state unfolds into….meditation.)
2. Meditation… (in Yoga this is a very specialize state and not to be confused with the meaning of the word as in common usage)… the best I can describe it in Monrovian terms is the meditative state allows one to enter the M-Field in a controlled way… this apparently are where the powers are… and one is admonished not to attempt to cultivate these powers…one is to sustain the state… if one sustains the state one unfolds into… contemplation)
3. Contemplation… another specialize state with a definition other than the common understanding… (I think if you sustain the meditative state you enter the Monrovian state of timelessness…)…
4. The Sub-Superconscious state: If one sustains Contemplation one unfolds into the Sub-Superconscious state… I think this the area between focus 21 and focus 27 (inclusive)…
5. Superconscious State: Sustain TSSS and it unfolds into the SS… and this is where the Emitter and the Aperture is found…]

At this point I entered the dream mind… I was in bed with a woman… we look up and a Bishop in full regalia with a couple of attendants come in... his vestments are covered with gleaming green and white emeralds or some such gems… I am aware he has come to perform the marriage ceremony…

(I think this is a dream mind attempt to process and resolve the movie series I watched last night Judith Wharton’s - The Buccaneers…)

Feel great pressure on my forehead at the brow point…

S.


That's funny, I've been trying to map out how traditional yoga connects with Monroe. Still beyond me at this point however.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 4th, 2010 at 12:39am

msagansk wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 11:54pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 7:13pm:
5/3/2010 - afternoon session:

Nothing goes like I think it is going to go… I am now experiencing the rigid body… I think this is another phase of the deep relaxation syndrome tho I thought it was going to be the ‘ten thousand needles’… but, clearly my body IS asleep and this rigid state is ‘sleep paralysis’ without the fear or anxiety…

Session opens with a Fundamental energy body shift… I am aware of my physical heart ‘thumping’… that is odd I think… purple light pulse developing… heart chakra activating… I become aware of my body going ’rigid’… and I realize I am in a state of ’concentration’…

[In Yoga there are five phases of controlled conscious awareness:

1. Concentration (if you can sustain concentration which is the hardest part…the state unfolds into….meditation.)
2. Meditation… (in Yoga this is a very specialize state and not to be confused with the meaning of the word as in common usage)… the best I can describe it in Monrovian terms is the meditative state allows one to enter the M-Field in a controlled way… this apparently are where the powers are… and one is admonished not to attempt to cultivate these powers…one is to sustain the state… if one sustains the state one unfolds into… contemplation)
3. Contemplation… another specialize state with a definition other than the common understanding… (I think if you sustain the meditative state you enter the Monrovian state of timelessness…)…
4. The Sub-Superconscious state: If one sustains Contemplation one unfolds into the Sub-Superconscious state… I think this the area between focus 21 and focus 27 (inclusive)…
5. Superconscious State: Sustain TSSS and it unfolds into the SS… and this is where the Emitter and the Aperture is found…]

At this point I entered the dream mind… I was in bed with a woman… we look up and a Bishop in full regalia with a couple of attendants come in... his vestments are covered with gleaming green and white emeralds or some such gems… I am aware he has come to perform the marriage ceremony…

(I think this is a dream mind attempt to process and resolve the movie series I watched last night Judith Wharton’s - The Buccaneers…)

Feel great pressure on my forehead at the brow point…

S.


That's funny, I've been trying to map out how traditional yoga connects with Monroe. Still beyond me at this point however.



LOL!!! I figured it out some time ago... the trail is easy to follow... but, I'll let you figure it out.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 4th, 2010 at 12:44am

msagansk wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 11:53pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 4:29pm:
M: An accurate record is important in relative terms for research purposes or if you eventually decide to write a book or something... especially the physiology... your reports are lacking in the physiology of what is going on... we're going to have to hook you up to an ekg, cat scan and mri system... LOL!!

S.


Lol.. I jury rigged my headset and a long audio cable connected to my PC with Audacity as the software recorder. It works.. and it can filter out background noise. This will work for my evening sessions, but not my morning or lunch sessions when I'm away from the computer.

Will do for now!


Dr Frankenstein would have been proud!!   8-)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 4th, 2010 at 3:29pm
5/4/2010 - Morning session:

Became aware of a giant cowboy type individual wearing a straw colored stetson… he is bending over something… I decide to see if this is my rtz-double… and attempt to shift poc into the form… it is a confused in conclusive effort… I seemed to have tamed a bird, eagle or avian predator… I have him on a lease and I am walking it… (symbolism?? Is my mind telling me I am taming the rtz-double which is the bird capable of flight… and I have it on a leach??)… tension in my left eye… jolt in the right little toe… (reflexology map shows ‘brain’ stimulation… pineal???)… now in the rigid body asleep state… (am I laying in foundation… ??… I must admit I am a little disappointed that things aren't going faster… but… !!)… In a Victorian (Edwardian) … dining room …table is set… a castle?? Large glass window on far wall… Or significant manor house… (watched Brideshead Revisited last night… more dream mind digesting images??)… definitely England… lavender robes…  watching a woman (she faces away) clad in a diaphanous dress (shiff??)… her arms in the air stretching ??? I see her through a wrought iron gate… some sexual tension in the scene… woman in yellow dress…


S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 4th, 2010 at 6:08pm
5/4/2010 - afternoon session:

It take a bit for the full rigidity to come in... once in it is quite nice... but the highlight of this session was a subtle flash of light at the brow point which expanded outward and enveloped my head and just as quickly faded.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 4th, 2010 at 10:19pm
5/4/2010 - Evening session:

That was an amazing session… the rigidity has changed character… I am clearly in the body asleep/mind awake state… had a double Fundamental body shift… this time very pronounced… (in the dream mind??… I was in a place not unlike the shape of the famous Times square triangle… but it had a great fountain bejeweled and perhaps water… I saw a very beautiful man … favoring Alain Delon (Tyrone Powers)  http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2744752128/nm0001128  ?? Attempted to shift poc into the form… no real shift feeling… he was dressed in a suit (black)… sitting… white scarf… engaged in conversation… I am definitely in the borderland… but, I am in a state of floating and drifting… at the mercy of the tides… (intention… I have to remember to intend for things to happen as I want them to…)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 5th, 2010 at 2:55pm
5/5/2010 - morning session:

Energy streaming tip of little finger left hand… (reflexology head area… ?? Assuming pineal activation)… fundamental body shift… winked out in the energy recon version sequence… pressure at the brow point… fundamental energy body trembled… (this event is gradually becoming more pronounced and less subtle)…

The rigidity state comes in sooner now… and it character has changed… I have a belief system barrier that says what I am trying to do can’t be done… I applied the conversation method… not sure to what effect… things are trying to happen but that belief structure is probably the inhibitor..

S.

p.s.: I forgot and didn't put it on tape... but in my power nap I remembered that my left astral foot separated from my physical foot... I think... because my left foot felt very light... I also had a falling sensation in my legs along with a jolt... it just all came back in the power nap because something similar happened in that nap...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 6th, 2010 at 2:32am
Hi M: I am posting this here because we are both active in a particular area. It is important to understand how the 'ego' functions... I made a discovery about my particular 'ego' mechanics... that is astounishing but too private to post in an open forum... I am going to take this up with my confidant... but, this is just a further heads up about the inner confrontation that has to take place and be honestly faced... one needs to be open to the absolute truth about one's self... and one's motivations... and the need for a neutral confidant... possibly one with psychoanalytical skills... the threads of this thing is very involved and complex...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 6th, 2010 at 12:43pm
5/6/2010 - Well tonight I fly to Faber for Lifeline... the retrieval program... I am not sure I will post.. tho if I do... it will have to be in the retrieval section... I am looking forward to this trip because I am told I will be able to do my second session in the tank.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 8th, 2010 at 6:45pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 56

So another week has gone by with what I think has been steady progress. No OBE yet but that’s ok, I have a ways to go yet!

My third eye chakra has been feeling quite active lately, especially when I do any sort of meditation, body awareness, deep thought, or energy work. It basically feels like a throbbing, with the intensity being different depending on what I’m doing. Sometimes the throbbing can be quite intense when I’m working on an exit technique.

Generally, I’ve felt a tightness in upper body during exit techniques. At first it was mostly my head that would feel like it was getting “pulled”, but now it’s mostly my chest/heart. It’s like  I’m trying to pull away but my physical body is holding on too tightly. I sometimes have my inner voice telling me it’s not possible.. right when I’m about to do it! This is counter-productive and something that needs to be worked on. I have to believe I can do it before I will ever let myself let it happen.

I have now jury rigged a headset with Audacity recording my voice. I’m finding that I get a lot of random imagery when I’m in a deep meditative state, so I’d like to record some of it with my voice when it happens, otherwise the memory is lost quite quickly. Stopping the meditative state and writing it down just isn’t practical. Perhaps I can figure out some sort of pattern or meaning to what I’m seeing if I analyze enough of it.

I now regularly feel falling sensations when I sometimes go too deep in the trance state and regain awareness, which is sort of a “mini-obe”. Learning to just relax and let go of any expectations seems to provide the best results. I could have swore I felt one of my “astral” fingers move inadvertently on two separate occasions, which shows that I’m starting to have my energy body loosen up.

Other interesting occurrences include my guides thwacking me on the back of the head when I asked if they were around, haha. Also, during one session I am pretty sure I experienced a very weak form of astral sight because I was able to see my arms and legs with my eyes closed. There wasn’t any spectacular detail, just shiny blue lights among the blackness that took the shape of where I would have expected my legs and arms to be.

My dream awareness has not improved all that much lately, as it just hasn’t been on my mind as much. There’s been a slow but steady improvement in my dream recall, but it really depends on the quality and quantity of sleep I get that night.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 15th, 2010 at 3:44pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 64

Life did a good job at kicking my pants this week. I really had to push hard to find times to sit down and do the exercises, and it was usually not the optimal place or time. Today being the weekend I was able to get a great session in and still found that I had made progress throughout the week!

It’s pretty amazing at just how deep meditation can get, and I know I’m still only scratching the surface. I’m finding it easier to get into a trance state, and it also happens more quickly and at a deeper level. All it takes is steady practice.

I would say my main trouble right now is relaxing too much and going off into dream imagery too easily. Once I get too deep into it I find it hard to focus my mind on anything for particularly long, which includes any sort of OBE exit technique.

In some ways I’m sort of feeling a fork in the road between meditation and OBE’s. It’s almost as if I’m at a level where the two are becoming mutually exclusive. In other words, when I meditate too deeply I can’t focus on doing an exit technique… or if I focus on an exit technique my body/mind tenses and resists it to the point where I can not keep a focused mind either. Perhaps it’s just a lack of focus on either side. In MAP, Robert Bruce says OBE exit work is a very fine balancing act and I am really starting to see that.

I just thought of another way of looking at it. When I meditate it’s like I’m focusing into my consciousness, while an OBE exit technique requires focusing outside my physical body. Both techniques require focus, and either way leads to the same result – disassociation between mind and body. Which means understanding that I am more than my physical body, i.e. that my mind is not my brain. And that is the whole point of this 90 day trial.

Right now I just seem to be feeling much more success and progress with focusing inwards, rather than outward. I haven’t had any mind-blowing experiences such as floating over my own physical body, but my belief systems have been slowly chipped away with unusual experiences. My body seems to resist any sort of external focus, and absolutely loves focusing inward. Perhaps yogic meditation or Robert Monroe’s Phasing/Focus Level system is a better path for me than the classic OBE techniques?

One example from today happened while I was meditating. I lost focus for a period of time and started seeing dream imagery, but then quickly realized that this had happened and regained awareness. I came back to staring at the back of my eye-lids, but for a second or so I saw a very distinct dark form stand out from the backdrop. It was extremely unusual from what I normally see with closed eyes, and it kind of felt like a presence. That is a very exciting thought.

A question I have for people is should I be encouraging the dream imagery while meditating or should I be resisting it? I can see benefits to either strategy. I know that Bruce Moen talks about balancing between the perceiver and interpreter; he thinks that cutting out all non-physical perception is a mistake. Perhaps I should practice his strategy of slowing the image process down.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 15th, 2010 at 7:04pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 6th, 2010 at 12:43pm:
5/6/2010 - Well tonight I fly to Faber for Lifeline... the retrieval program... I am not sure I will post.. tho if I do... it will have to be in the retrieval section... I am looking forward to this trip because I am told I will be able to do my second session in the tank.

S.


Summary:

Just to briefly summarize my Lifeline experience. In Guidelines I was told by my guides to take Lifeline next, there I would relieve a phantom. Much happened in that interim and I had possibly five ego changes in that span of time… so, I was skeptical that I could accomplish much more than that in Lifelines. I felt I was possibly played out for a while…

Wrong…..!!

I encountered and retrieved a major phantom which had been blocking my path to my primary goal of Transience… when it was neutralized the very next series of session produced a Self-realization event… in which I was one with the Eternal Self… this lasted only a few hours but it was the first time I had a direct experience of the Self without the tabernacles, Eucharist and Holy Grail shields to protect me from the radiation of the event…

Much more happened but this was The Event.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 15th, 2010 at 7:22pm

msagansk wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 3:44pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 64

It’s pretty amazing at just how deep meditation can get, and I know I’m still only scratching the surface. I’m finding it easier to get into a trance state, and it also happens more quickly and at a deeper level. All it takes is steady practice.

I would say my main trouble right now is relaxing too much and going off into dream imagery too easily. Once I get too deep into it I find it hard to focus my mind on anything for particularly long, which includes any sort of OBE exit technique.


Hi S: Think about the four conditions that produce an O.B.E.

1. 100 % relaxation
2. Quiet the mind.

Remember the O.B.E. is an automatic reflex… once the control mechanism that triggers the reflex recognizes you are asleep in body and (mind)… the reflex triggers…

This is what is left out of the four steps..


3. Shift your p.o.c. into the rtx-double.
4. Have enough psychic energy to remain outside the body.

Clearly you are ascending into the dream mind territory and that is not quieting the mind… what does quieting the mind mean to you?

But think about this... if you have ascended into the dream mind territory, then, you are in the astral... i.e. you are viewing in the astral form... thus are you in a mind split?? Are you aware of your body while you are in the dream mind territory... what is the definition of a mind split?

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 15th, 2010 at 9:38pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 7:04pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 6th, 2010 at 12:43pm:
5/6/2010 - Well tonight I fly to Faber for Lifeline... the retrieval program... I am not sure I will post.. tho if I do... it will have to be in the retrieval section... I am looking forward to this trip because I am told I will be able to do my second session in the tank.

S.


Summary:

Just to briefly summarize my Lifeline experience. In Guidelines I was told by my guides to take Lifeline next, there I would relieve a phantom. Much happened in that interim and I had possibly five ego changes in that span of time… so, I was skeptical that I could accomplish much more than that in Lifelines. I felt I was possibly played out for a while…

Wrong…..!!

I encountered and retrieved a major phantom which had been blocking my path to my primary goal of Transience… when it was neutralized the very next series of session produced a Self-realization event… in which I was one with the Eternal Self… this lasted only a few hours but it was the first time I had a direct experience of the Self without the tabernacles, Eucharist and Holy Grail shields to protect me from the radiation of the event…

Much more happened but this was The Event.

S.


Glad to hear your session was so fruitful to you, although I don't understand all of it. :)

Would you recommend taking guidelines then lifeline like you did?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 15th, 2010 at 9:45pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
Hi S: Think about the four conditions that produce an O.B.E.

1. 100 % relaxation
2. Quiet the mind.

Remember the O.B.E. is an automatic reflex… once the control mechanism that triggers the reflex recognizes you are asleep in body and (mind)… the reflex triggers…

This is what is left out of the four steps..


3. Shift your p.o.c. into the rtx-double.
4. Have enough psychic energy to remain outside the body.

Clearly you are ascending into the dream mind territory and that is not quieting the mind… what does quieting the mind mean to you?


You're right, I guess I should have been more specific. I quiet my mind at first (no thoughts or imagery, just my mantra), but then after a period of time I find myself having visions. They aren't really thoughts either though, so in a sense my mind is still "quiet"... I'm just observing. The thing is, I'm not aware enough to participate in it. It just sort of happens and when I become self-aware again the visions stop.

This stuff is a lot more complicated than I first thought, heh.


Seraphis1 wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
But think about this... if you have ascended into the dream mind territory, then, you are in the astral... i.e. you are viewing in the astral form... thus are you in a mind split?? Are you aware of your body while you are in the dream mind territory... what is the definition of a mind split?

S.


Yes I believe it is a pretty classic mind split. I'm still aware of my body but it's definitely "in the background". Part of my focus is in the astral and part of it is still in the physical. I'm not sure if it's a self-created dream astral or if I'm actually observing non-physical beings.

It certainly seems like I'm seeing very random events that don't really make any sense to me. Sometimes I think I may be a part of the action though as well... like my point of consciousness is in someone else... cause it usually doesn't feel like "me".

Like I said, this is getting pretty complicated. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 15th, 2010 at 11:31pm

msagansk wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 9:45pm:
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You're right, I guess I should have been more specific. I quiet my mind at first (no thoughts or imagery, just my mantra), but then after a period of time I find myself having visions. They aren't really thoughts either though, so in a sense my mind is still "quiet"... I'm just observing. The thing is, I'm not aware enough to participate in it. It just sort of happens and when I become self-aware again the visions stop.

This stuff is a lot more complicated than I first thought, heh.


How does doing a mantra fit with quieting the mind??? Aren't you mixing systems??? Just a thought...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 15th, 2010 at 11:41pm

msagansk wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 9:38pm:
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Glad to hear your session was so fruitful to you, although I don't understand all of it. :)

Would you recommend taking guidelines then lifeline like you did?


Hi S: Well, Gateway is a prerequisite for all TMI seminars... so you have to do that first... but, guidance is what you need to follow... I'm sure our paths are quite different. My primary goal is Transcendance so I am being led to achieve that goal... you seem to not have a long term goal... at this point your goal seems to be o.b.e. experiences... without a longterm goal... like do you want to achieve escape velocity and move out of this paradigm or do you plan on not reincarnating... do you want to be like the facilitator... until you make these decisions and intend to accomplish them the path will of necessity be a bit random..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 16th, 2010 at 1:24am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 11:31pm:
How does doing a mantra fit with quieting the mind??? Aren't you mixing systems??? Just a thought...
S.


Mantras can be used to quiet the mind. I am mixing systems a little... just using what I find works for me and adapting it into my practice. The core of it is still the 90 day MAP trial though.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 16th, 2010 at 1:29am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 15th, 2010 at 11:41pm:
Hi S: Well, Gateway is a prerequisite for all TMI seminars... so you have to do that first... but, guidance is what you need to follow... I'm sure our paths are quite different. My primary goal is Transcendance so I am being led to achieve that goal... you seem to not have a long term goal... at this point your goal seems to be o.b.e. experiences... without a longterm goal... like do you want to achieve escape velocity and move out of this paradigm or do you plan on not reincarnating... do you want to be like the facilitator... until you make these decisions and intend to accomplish them the path will of necessity be a bit random..

S.


Right now I'm just trying to be open to various experiences to help shift my belief systems. My goal is wanting to know what's out there and whether all of this stuff is "real", much like how Bruce Moen spent a long time gathering evidence to try and convince himself.

As a longer term goal I want to increase my capabilities in the non-physical while I'm still in the physical. Being present in both the physical and non-physical matter realities like Thomas Campbell and Bruce Moen can do would be very good. I'm also toying around with the idea of becoming a professional psychic/medium.

Basically, I want to see what abilities I can develop and how I can use them to help others.

I've had a couple readings where I've been told that I'm an "old soul", so I've also been around the block a few times and have some wisdom to share. I have a feeling that this may be my last or one of the last incarnations here. But I don't want to jump to conclusions yet.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Volu on May 16th, 2010 at 4:27am
Howdy Michael,

"A question I have for people is should I be encouraging the dream imagery while meditating or should I be resisting it?"

Taking an active part in imagining doing something uncomplicated might work, filling in the blanks of that scenario with sensory stuff like how the bread smells while baking it and so on. I like playing the piano, and since I enjoy that it's easy to shift/extend the focus.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 16th, 2010 at 10:05pm

5/16/2010 - power nap afternoon session:

Today is Sunday and my day of rest… but, I have developed the habit of power napping and because being in that reverie state IS borderland… I am having great success in getting the first two requirements for an o.b.e.:

     1. 100 % relaxation
     2. Quiet the mind

The vibrations begin in my feet. In then my whole body starts to want to vibrate… in this session I was about to exit from the brow point and also from the top of my head…

But I discovered I have an ’ego’ issue that stops me… because just before I exit I think, ’Wow, won’t this be great to report to the board.’ and ’Won’t everybody just be admiring and astonished at my skill and ability.’

And every time my mind kicks in this egocentric, exhibitionist infantile need for peer show offishness and Upmanship… the exit stops…

So it is more than belief systems that are barriers but ‘ego’ issues…

Hopefully, exposing and embarrassing myself before the world will dissolve this thing… the ego hates honesty and humility…

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 16th, 2010 at 11:56pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 16th, 2010 at 10:05pm:
5/16/2010 - power nap afternoon session:

Today is Sunday and my day of rest… but, I have developed the habit of power napping and because being in that reverie state IS borderland… I am having great success in getting the first two requirements for an o.b.e.:

     1. 100 % relaxation
     2. Quiet the mind

The vibrations begin in my feet. In then my whole body starts to want to vibrate… in this session I was about to exit from the brow point and also from the top of my head…

But I discovered I have an ’ego’ issue that stops me… because just before I exit I think, ’Wow, won’t this be great to report to the board.’ and ’Won’t everybody just be admiring and astonished at my skill and ability.’

And every time my mind kicks in this egocentric, exhibitionist infantile need for peer show offishness and Upmanship… the exit stops…

So it is more than belief systems that are barriers but ‘ego’ issues…

Hopefully, exposing and embarrassing myself before the world will dissolve this thing… the ego hates honesty and humility…

S.


Interesting… exposing of putting things into the linear world made it possible for the true reason for the arrested exit… I.e… I violated the second condition for an o.b.e.  2. Quiet the mind!  That is the real reason the exit was arrested… not so much my ego as my ego turned on my mind and that turned off the exit reflex.

The plot thickens.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 17th, 2010 at 9:57am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 16th, 2010 at 11:56pm:
Interesting… exposing of putting things into the linear world made it possible for the true reason for the arrested exit… I.e… I violated the second condition for an o.b.e.  2. Quiet the mind!  That is the real reason the exit was arrested… not so much my ego as my ego turned on my mind and that turned off the exit reflex.

The plot thickens.

S.


Tricky!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 17th, 2010 at 1:59pm
5/17/2010 morning session:

The character of the sessions have changed again… but clearly there is a night and day difference between the Power nap sessions and the official sessions… there was a new development in my breathing which is hard to explain… I think it is quite a good sign… because using the diaphragmatic breath technique I am aware of a hole in my solar plexus area… probably the center of the solar plexus chakra… but, controlling the breath is a powerful tool used by Tibetan monks…

This session began with a light flash… in my lifeline sessions and this session I am eating somehow food is an issue… I haven’t asked for guidance in this yet… but, I will see where it goes… landscape… purple light pulse… the vibrations were there… I may have been o.b.e… and I attempted to shift my p.o.c. which I think was already shifted because I saw the top of my head… but the details were different from the real time world… the room was essentially true to detail but I was not aware of the whole room… this is not unusual to be in the astral area just slightly above the rtz… but, not sure…



S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 17th, 2010 at 11:10pm
5/17/2010 evening session:

Well, now I know frustration. What do I have to do?? I got the vibrations and they developed into 100 needles and not 10,000 needles… but I was right on the razor’s edge… and I didn’t o.b.e. as I should have…

I realize that there was a failure of intensity… but, all of this is supposed to be automatic…

It is absolutely confounding… to be so near and yet so far...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 18th, 2010 at 9:39am
The Barrier of Can’ts


Seraphis1 wrote on May 17th, 2010 at 11:10pm:
5/17/2010 evening session:

Well, now I know frustration. What do I have to do?? I got the vibrations and they developed into 100 needles and not 10,000 needles… but I was right on the razor’s edge… and I didn’t o.b.e. as I should have…

I realize that there was a failure of intensity… but, all of this is supposed to be automatic…

It is absolutely confounding… to be so near and yet so far...

S.


I’ve hit a major karmic barrier… the barrier of can’ts…

5/18/2010: morning dream:

I am in an amusement park with Kristine… we are a couple… returning to the car in a crowded walkway she gets ahead of me… I can’t seem to catch up… I am mad that she doesn’t check to find out where I am… I resolve to break off the relationship… she is too inconsiderate… she can’t have any consideration for me much less love me… I’m climbing a long flight of wooden stairs… my brother is beside me I tell him to go ahead my legs are just logs I can’t lift them…
I awaken with like this huge stone rock for a solar plexus… this must be the barrier of can’ts… I can’t o.b.e., its beyond me…  maybe my experiences are all made up and a figment of my imagination… I can’t go on… I can’t do anything at all… I am impotent… can’t, can’t, can’t and more can’t… LOL!!!


Monroe hit a wall… he couldn’t go through it, he couldn’t go around it left of right, he couldn’t rise above it… frustrated, afraid and thinking the worst… being stuck in a never, neverland forever… he was inspired to go back the way he came….

My question is… what is my way back the way I came??? Stay tuned.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 18th, 2010 at 2:51pm
The Barrier of Can’ts


Seraphis1 wrote on May 17th, 2010 at 11:10pm:
I’ve hit a major karmic barrier… the barrier of can’ts…

5/18/2010: morning dream:

I am in an amusement park with Kristine… we are a couple… returning to the car in a crowded walkway she gets ahead of me… I can’t seem to catch up… I am mad that she doesn’t check to find out where I am… I resolve to break off the relationship… she is too inconsiderate… she can’t have any consideration for me much less love me… I’m climbing a long flight of wooden stairs… my brother is beside me I tell him to go ahead my legs are just logs I can’t lift them…
I awaken with like this huge stone rock for a solar plexus… this must be the barrier of can’ts… I can’t o.b.e., its beyond me…  maybe my experiences are all made up and a figment of my imagination… I can’t go on… I can’t do anything at all… I am impotent… can’t, can’t, can’t and more can’t… LOL!!!


S.



I think the interpretation of this dream is as follow:

It is the battle of Cain and Abel, King Saul and David, Right brain vs left brain… which will dominate… (not with standing hemi-sync and its synchronizing effects…)

This goes back to Guidelines… where I was being worked on to balance my feminine and masculine aspects… I am too male… well recent developments have finally hit the main trunk of my predominant ego structure… my Cain aspect is attempting to survive at all costs… Kristine my feminine aspect gets away from me and my Cainian aspect loves the idea of convincing “me” to break off the relationship… ‘…she how uninterested she is in my welfare… she doesn’t care about you…’ the Cainian aspect is throwing in all the resources it has at its disposal… it can (it can in the dream state, affect my mobility… my legs got heavy I couldn’t climb the stairs (ascend into higher levels of consciousness???)… the Cainian aspect controls the solar plexus chakra the dividing line between the lower world and the upper world… if I succeed in ascending Cain must die or be crucified… it don’t like that idea… my job is to keep on truckin’.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 18th, 2010 at 3:14pm
5/18/2010 - morning session:

Breathing on a tubular line… from the solar plexus chakra hole to the base of the sternum… a female brunette is working on the area… something is in the air… boulders drop suddenly… a large kind of hayseed type in farmers overalls and a big white stetson… is busy doing something… attempt to shift poc… into the form… some success but in conclusive… nerve pain in right knee cap area… underside… head goes heavy on the pillow…

Who is the brunettee? What is she working on? Who is the hayseed…? I have seen both before…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 18th, 2010 at 7:30pm
5/18/2010 - afternoon session:

I will be moving on into Part III of AKG… this session is a moping up step to complete specific skill sets…

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; gateway experience - first stage separation.

I’ll be using fss liberally going forward as it fits into the exercise progression… but, the goal is now to finish AKG.

Relaxation phase: energy streaming left hand under little finger fleshy part… (reflexology: heart, lung, chest area - clearly a new phase of heart chakra awakening… now my heart chakra is filling out more of its anatomy… unfolding???)… feb shimmering… more pronounced now… heart chakra activating directly (the energy stream in the left hand area was a precursor to this next phase of unfoldment)… now the solar plexus chakra is activating and I feel specific relational activity between the two chakras as they make contact and begin coordination sequences… (very encouraging)… the heart chakra area is favoring the right side in its awakening sequence… the left seems dormant (this is consistent with my lack of feminine aspects of my nature… my male aspect is taking control or attempting to take control… but, both natures must balance out… ) brow point head activity the sympathetic reactions are setting in this brow point activity favors the left side…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

In an department store setting (clearly I have now entered the dream mind area just above the rtz… ) black clerk blue shirt black pants… strong heart chakra jolt… yellow green (pea) colors…

Sexually graphic streaming visuals turn on (descriptions delete)… (Robert Bruce says that there is a sex chakra just above the root chakra on the left side… it is activating…

(My interpreter is very subdued and under control… tho, I began to get explanations of how I could have been a better lover to my ex-wife S. (technique information deleted… you will have to learn how to be a better sexual partner on your own… very interesting stuff tho… if I get into a new relationship it should be successful sexually.)

FSS: Mind split… see a phantom… rtz-double?? Blue ghostly… etheric… must be my rtz-d… therefore I projected but, lacked presence of mind to shift p.o.c… raggedy anne redhaired apporition… button eyes in a beige colored moon face… blue dress… oriental woman I am looking down over her head… geisha???

Powerful session body was definitely asleep but not sure how to quiet the mind properly to trigger the automatic reflex tho I think I generated a protoplasmic entity… the heart chakra is getting stronger and stronger as it attempts to generate the etheric double… there must be two possibilities in the phenomena… the automatic reflex and the consciously controlled generation to the etheric body… I believe this is what is happening… I am coming closer and closer to consciously by passing the automatic reflex which is the whole point of controlled out-of-body work… ala… Robert Bruce…

I am not so frustrated now that I understand this… also this is probably going to take a while to accomplish.

This is the masters degree.


S. 


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 18th, 2010 at 11:22pm
5/18/2010 - evening session:

Eureka!!!!


This was meant to be a potpourri session, but, at last I am somewhat beyond the razor’s edge… the whole session was focused on the exit… I now have an almost perfect relaxation… 99.5 %. The state is unmistakable that is why I ignored all the disc promptings… I kept quiet and did no recording… the vibrations are beginning to be intense not intense enough but, this is not what I thought… one does grow into it… the books are misleading to my type of person because you are lead to expect a fabulous exit… and I have had fabulous effortless exits… but they were random and not controlled… the controlled exit is a different kettle of fish… near the end of the tapes I got a partial exit… I was out the top of my head I began to hear the roar… that roar or exit sound is very distinctive… it aborted but controlled is the key… when I get out I WILL be in command… of the exit consciously and volitionally… what a lovely course of events… this has been my best day ever…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 19th, 2010 at 10:57am
The Bodyguard:

[i]More churning of the solar plexus and the solar plexus chakra..

I am with a female friend… she wants me to meet someone but we have to do it clandestinely the friend is in hiding for some reason… we must go to some place to get directions… it is in a kind of China town area… opium den like… we are followed by a large man who has malevolent intent… the man is intercepted by someone… my bodyguard?... I don’t get to finish this dream… I have the urge to pee…
[/i]

I interpret this as follows:

The bodyguard is an important development… the main ego trunk is going to be a major problem going forward it goes very deep and had much power and many ways to survive (see The Matrix and Neo’s nemesis Agent Smith)… (I recently posted that I saw my belief system map… there was a long thick black horizontal line with writing on it… I now believe this is this main ego trunk) tho… if I persistently press on with my daily work it being an illusion ultimately it must dissolve… but the higher mind is coming to my aide… in keeping the ‘ego’ from attacking me directly…

Who is the clandestine person I am to meet? (The Matrix: is it The Oracle??) Is it a female or male aspect? Why do I need an intermediary to met him/her? What does he/she want to talk to me about?

Stay tuned.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 19th, 2010 at 1:42pm
5/19/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; gateway experience - first stage separation.

Relaxation phase:

Very controlled descent into relaxation phase… breathing technique has special hard to explain elements…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

My interpreter is very disciplined, but, I note that and am (just saw a pinpoint of light flash…) aware of it kicking in throughout the day… in sessions it is quite subdued hard to get going… so balance is my problem…

FSS:

Some fundamental body shifts… faint sound event… saw a cemetery?? Blue sky… over grown… vibration seem to come in at end of session and am going over without hemi-sync… this is good I think.

S.  [/b]


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 20th, 2010 at 1:28pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 69

I had a very interesting experience last night, at around 4 am. I had woken up from a dream but had not opened my eyes yet, and I felt a distinct presence in my bedroom. I used to be skeptical of the idea that we can detect “presences” without using our 5 physical senses, but I definitely FELT something/someone close to me.

So I naturally decided to open my eyes. I wasn’t fully awake yet and the room was fairly dark, but I saw a human-like form or figure approach me at the side of my bed. I became a little scared but then my vision blanked out and I felt like it merged with me. How do I even begin to describe what that feels like? I just knew it at the time. The typical OBE sensations of vibrations, tingling, whooshing noises were there. I also briefly saw some random colors/patterns and felt some pressure in my head. I was so confused as to what was going on I thought to myself “WTF… am I being possessed?”. It happened very quickly.

I regained my vision and apart from the tingling/buzzing I felt relatively normal for maybe a second. I then saw ANOTHER form/figure, but it was more of a diffused sphere this time. It approached me hovering over the foot of my bed, and then merged with me as well. The tingling/buzzing/whooshing happened again with a loss of vision and head pressure. After a second or two (I think) I regained my vision and the tingling/buzzing reduced in intensity. I mentally said “Hello?” still wondering what was going on, but didn’t get much of an answer (I might have heard myself say “hi” but I might just be making it up in my head). I then began to realize what had happened and decided to see if I could go for a conscious OBE exit.

The trouble was I was so scared/excited that I wasn’t able to focus and just decided to log it in my notebook and stay awake for a while to solidify the memory. It’s a good thing too because I know that if this had happened before I learned about OBE’s I probably would have brushed it off as a dream, forgotten about it, or whatever. Maybe it has happened in the past and I know even know, I’m guessing it probably has. Even now as I write this I can hardly believe it happened.

It’s possible that the affirmation I used before going to sleep may have played a role. This week’s affirmation in MAP for evenings is related to waking up in the middle of the night for astral projection. I think it’s pretty clear to me now that the forms were two of my energy bodies, like the etheric (real-time zone) and astral. You guys can correct me if I’m wrong though.

If only I had waken up during the beginning of the projection instead of the end! Oh well, this experience was still huge for me. I think it has tremendously helped at chipping away my old belief systems.

I also now see much more validity to Robert Bruce’s AP model (mind-split effect, energy doubles, etc.). It’s just a matter of focusing my conscious awareness in those other bodies. I still don’t quite understand how all of Robert Bruce’s model fits in with Robert Monroe’s focus levels, but I do feel like they’re both “right”.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 20th, 2010 at 3:06pm

msagansk wrote on May 20th, 2010 at 1:28pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 69

I had a very interesting experience last night, at around 4 am. I had woken up from a dream but had not opened my eyes yet, and I felt a distinct presence in my bedroom. I used to be skeptical of the idea that we can detect “presences” without using our 5 physical senses, but I definitely FELT something/someone close to me.

So I naturally decided to open my eyes. I wasn’t fully awake yet and the room was fairly dark, but I saw a human-like form or figure approach me at the side of my bed. I became a little scared but then my vision blanked out and I felt like it merged with me. How do I even begin to describe what that feels like? I just knew it at the time. The typical OBE sensations of vibrations, tingling, whooshing noises were there. I also briefly saw some random colors/patterns and felt some pressure in my head. I was so confused as to what was going on I thought to myself “WTF… am I being possessed?”. It happened very quickly.

I regained my vision and apart from the tingling/buzzing I felt relatively normal for maybe a second. I then saw ANOTHER form/figure, but it was more of a diffused sphere this time. It approached me hovering over the foot of my bed, and then merged with me as well. The tingling/buzzing/whooshing happened again with a loss of vision and head pressure. After a second or two (I think) I regained my vision and the tingling/buzzing reduced in intensity. I mentally said “Hello?” still wondering what was going on, but didn’t get much of an answer (I might have heard myself say “hi” but I might just be making it up in my head). I then began to realize what had happened and decided to see if I could go for a conscious OBE exit.

The trouble was I was so scared/excited that I wasn’t able to focus and just decided to log it in my notebook and stay awake for a while to solidify the memory. It’s a good thing too because I know that if this had happened before I learned about OBE’s I probably would have brushed it off as a dream, forgotten about it, or whatever. Maybe it has happened in the past and I know even know, I’m guessing it probably has. Even now as I write this I can hardly believe it happened.

It’s possible that the affirmation I used before going to sleep may have played a role. This week’s affirmation in MAP for evenings is related to waking up in the middle of the night for astral projection. I think it’s pretty clear to me now that the forms were two of my energy bodies, like the etheric (real-time zone) and astral. You guys can correct me if I’m wrong though.

If only I had waken up during the beginning of the projection instead of the end! Oh well, this experience was still huge for me. I think it has tremendously helped at chipping away my old belief systems.

I also now see much more validity to Robert Bruce’s AP model (mind-split effect, energy doubles, etc.). It’s just a matter of focusing my conscious awareness in those other bodies. I still don’t quite understand how all of Robert Bruce’s model fits in with Robert Monroe’s focus levels, but I do feel like they’re both “right”.


Hi M: Too bad you didn't think to shift you p.o.c. into the form... always rememeber you can't be possessed because the fundamental energy body never leaves the body until death of the physical body... good show tho... it is all coming together.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 20th, 2010 at 3:20pm
5/20/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; gateway experience - first stage separation.

Relaxation phase:

Good control… tho, I am not particularly in a good reverie state to start session… way too conscious. But I am noting that my breath technique is more controlled have a ways to go before I can use the Tibetan system for controlling reality…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

Heart chakra engaging… music, male voice… my perceiver is generating faces… strong ones… this time Monroe??? But my interpreter is subdues in session but I catch it being very active during the day… on all sorts of issues…


FSS:

Usual fundamental body shifts… brow point activity… vibrations… but my best effects came after the disc ended and I stayed in state for another ½ hour or so…

S.  [/b]

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 20th, 2010 at 3:25pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 20th, 2010 at 3:06pm:
Hi M: Too bad you didn't think to shift you p.o.c. into the form... always rememeber you can't be possessed because the fundamental energy body never leaves the body until death of the physical body... good show tho... it is all coming together.

S.


Yeah I knew about it after the fact, but in the heat of the moment it didn't come to me. You're right, it's coming together.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on May 20th, 2010 at 8:40pm
Yeah, that's what I had, too, one time, someone being in my bedroom, I knew it without opening my eyes, and then I felt this being merging with me, felt like a chilly breeze going through my body.

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 21st, 2010 at 9:47pm
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; gateway experience - first stage separation.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation is really coming into focus of how it works… actually felt my calves release… the forearms release… facial muscles relaxed… I wonder just how deep one can get and when the automatic reflex engages… if the body disappears what is left…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

Perceiver formed a picture of Liam Neeson…

Interpreter: Movie Kensey and Laura Linsey and the ménage a toi involving him and his right hand man and his wife swapping… (seem to be turning my sex chakra on for some reason…)

Perceiver formed a picture of chicken leg with paper boot used for baking… (this could also be related to sex… food is a function of the navel chakra… a transmutation of the sex drive to the creative creation of food as a sensuous expression)…

Perceiver formed a picture of Oswald… Ruby… the shot… Lyndon Johnson… (am I picking up that Lyndon Johnson was involved in the assassination of Kennedy??? But this is clearly an interpreter digression… bananas in Brazil or whatever Moen’s interpreter non-sequitor was…

Interpreter continues with non-sequitors.. Rand paul, like howard stern as interviewer…

FSS:

The natural om… begins in both ears… the fundamental energy body is like jello…

I am wondering why with such deep relaxation of the body the automatic obe reflex does not trigger… my mind is active with the exercise issues… it is possible that I should change out the FSS with joob… it could be that there is too much mind activity…

The condition are afterall: 1. 100 % relaxation 1. Quiet the mind… (some how I have to shift to observer state… it could be the perceiver and interpreter both have to be turned off for the obe reflex to trigger… not with standing that I should be able to by pass the automatic trigger and consciously engage the heart chakra… hummmmm….

S.  [/b]


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 21st, 2010 at 11:00pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 9:47pm:
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

Interpreter: Movie Kensey and Laura Linsey and the ménage a toi involving him and his right hand man and his wife swapping… (seem to be turning my sex chakra on for some reason…)

Perceiver formed a picture of chicken leg with paper boot used for baking… (this could also be related to sex… food is a function of the navel chakra… a transmutation of the sex drive to the creative creation of food as a sensuous expression)…

Perceiver formed a picture of Oswald… Ruby… the shot… Lyndon Johnson… (am I picking up that Lyndon Johnson was involved in the assassination of Kennedy??? But this is clearly an interpreter digression… bananas in Brazil or whatever Moen’s interpreter non-sequitor was…

Interpreter continues with non-sequitors.. Rand paul, like howard stern as interviewer…

S.  [/b]


I don’t know if anyone on this forum will understand what happened in this sequence… but, I transmuted base sexual energy to its next higher level of expression ‘food’ expressed thru the navel chakra… and then I transmuted ‘the sex energy’ to the solar plexus chakra… sexual energy expressed thru ‘power’… whether Lyndon Johnson actually participated in the assassination of Kennedy is not the issue here… what is the issue is that Johnson represents ‘power’ the next level of sexual energy transformed…

But, I missed the truth of the Rand Paul and Howard Stern symbolism… they were NOT non-sequitors… I transmuted ‘sexual energy’ to the heart chakra… Rand Paul and Howard Stern are representative of ‘artistic creative energy’… Howard Stern is a consumate artist at the interview… Rand Paul demonstrated a mastery of the ‘art of politics’ in defeating an incumbant party endorsed candidate….

That is amazing!!! I urge members of the board to study their session notes and see whether or not we can corroborate my discovery… this is a natural sequence… but is missed because the symbolism and the process is so little understood… but, as an academic study can be important.

S.

P.S.: If you don't understand this process... post some complete detailed session notes and I will analyze them... this is a universal process... everyone MUST sequence through this cycle, but, the symbolism can be arcane and subtle... tho it is not difficult to read the keys if you know what you are looking for.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 22nd, 2010 at 12:58am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 11:00pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 9:47pm:
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

Interpreter: Movie Kensey and Laura Linsey and the ménage a toi involving him and his right hand man and his wife swapping… (seem to be turning my sex chakra on for some reason…)

Perceiver formed a picture of chicken leg with paper boot used for baking… (this could also be related to sex… food is a function of the navel chakra… a transmutation of the sex drive to the creative creation of food as a sensuous expression)…

Perceiver formed a picture of Oswald… Ruby… the shot… Lyndon Johnson… (am I picking up that Lyndon Johnson was involved in the assassination of Kennedy??? But this is clearly an interpreter digression… bananas in Brazil or whatever Moen’s interpreter non-sequitor was…

Interpreter continues with non-sequitors.. Rand paul, like howard stern as interviewer…

S.  [/b]


I don’t know if anyone on this forum will understand what happened in this sequence… but, I transmuted base sexual energy to its next higher level of expression ‘food’ expressed thru the navel chakra… and then I transmuted ‘the sex energy’ to the solar plexus chakra… sexual energy expressed thru ‘power’… whether Lyndon Johnson actually participated in the assassination of Kennedy is not the issue here… what is the issue is that Johnson represents ‘power’ the next level of sexual energy transformed…

But, I missed the truth of the Rand Paul and Howard Stern symbolism… they were NOT non-sequitors… I transmuted ‘sexual energy’ to the heart chakra… Rand Paul and Howard Stern are representative of ‘artistic creative energy’… Howard Stern is a consumate artist at the interview… Rand Paul demonstrated a mastery of the ‘art of politics’ in defeating an incumbant party endorsed candidate….

That is amazing!!! I urge members of the board to study their session notes and see whether or not we can corroborate my discovery… this is a natural sequence… but is missed because the symbolism and the process is so little understood… but, as an academic study can be important.

S.

P.S.: If you don't understand this process... post some complete detailed session notes and I will analyze them... this is a universal process... everyone MUST sequence through this cycle, but, the symbolism can be arcane and subtle... tho it is not difficult to read the keys if you know what you are looking for.


The gift that keeps on giving… the reason the above is important and the frustrated and perverted religionists (particularly Catholic priest) don’t know this or how to use it… it is the key to a healthy transformation of sexual energy. If you don’t properly handle sexual energy you get frustrated priest descending into pedophilia, horny guru’s abusing their followers and all those sexually perverse problems associated with abstinence and celibacy.

Cold showers don’t do anything as I found out when one of my more sadistic and mean spirited girl friends would advise me to take a cold shower.

Transmutation takes sexual energy upward to the higher centers… thus dissipating it’s energy transforming it… suppression turns it down back into the spleen chakra where all the malevolence is created… to tragic effect.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by tgecks on May 22nd, 2010 at 8:54am
First let me say what a great thread this has been to read. I used the same program, as my Gateway at Monroe left me still in my body, and I truly wanted to learn to master astral projetion.

It seems that many have similar activation of their sexual chakra, whether or not they talk about it much. Many of my Clients (not the right word, but they are not patients either) describe failing to master the internal fire and ending up in The Pile of sex out there, as Monroe described, or at least so distracted they could not go beyond. Rising Kundalini energy can be difficult to manage. It is a seemingly insurmountable barrier to some of them. I have found that telling my energetic self "not now, but later perhaps" has been useful, quite overcoming my other urges by mastering them. I too have found that this mastery arises from the heart chakra, but then I have found that the heart center is a great place of Power and Self. My mother used to call it "your Heart of Hearts" and I guess she was right.

What a wonderful journey you are having! I will see you out there. Please come to the PE in the Park next weekend (Memorial Day weekend).

Masters create and inspire other masters, and you are doing just that by sharing your journey with us. Thanks from my Heart of Hearts.

Great Light and Love,
Thomas

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 22nd, 2010 at 11:50am

tgecks wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 8:54am:


It seems that many have similar activation of their sexual chakra, whether or not they talk about it much.


This is a serious problem for anyone who purports to be a serious student or wants to be a serious student of the metaphysical arts… two things prevent unfoldment:

1. The ego (Matrix - Agent Smith)
2. Belief systems

The ego loves to convince one not to expose ones inner core… those private things that cause embarrassment and or need for peer approval… but exposing it is the only way to tear it down… dissolve it… take away its power.

Sex is the ego’s most powerful tool to keep one in the illusion.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 22nd, 2010 at 9:35pm
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; gateway experience - first stage separation.

Relaxation phase:

There may be an unlimited depth to relaxation, but at what point does the obe reflex engage…

FSS:

There is definitely a relationship between not using the tape and the quiet mind… very near to the projection tho it still eludes me… saw a demon’s head it was green oval with button eyes… I was slightly startled but not unduely fearful… I don’t think its preventing the exit… but I do have memory issues of detail… I didn’t press the perceiver/interpreter function… I am going to stay with the current mix… something is happening… so there is not point in changing until it clearly stops happening or I get the exit.

S.  [/b]


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 22nd, 2010 at 11:13pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

FSS:

…saw a demon’s head it was green oval with button eyes… I was slightly startled but not unduely fearful… I don’t think its preventing the exit…

S.  [/b]


There is something important about that demon head… this is the second time I’ve seen it… it is residing in my solar plexus chakra… I have very disturbing dreams connected with confrontations with malevolent people and when I awake the upright part of the solar plexus is very sore… it resides in the phrenic plexus, suprarenal plexus and the lineal plexus… the question is how to dissolve it… its power has diminished since Guidelines first detected it’s Dominatrix projection… she’s gone… but the underlying matrix is represented by this demon head… my recently acquired bodyguard has handled him once… but he churns up disturbing effects… this is a significant “agent smith” effect…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 22nd, 2010 at 11:29pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

FSS:

…saw a demon’s head it was green oval with button eyes… I was slightly startled but not unduely fearful… I don’t think its preventing the exit…

S.  [/b]



Seraphis1 wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:
There is something important about that demon head… this is the second time I’ve seen it… it is residing in my solar plexus chakra… I have very disturbing dreams connected with confrontations with malevolent people and when I awake the upright part of the solar plexus is very sore… it resides in the phrenic plexus, suprarenal plexus and the lineal plexus… the question is how to dissolve it… its power has diminished since Guidelines first detected it’s Dominatrix projection… she’s gone… but the underlying matrix is represented by this demon head… my recently acquired bodyguard has handled him once… but he churns up disturbing effects… this is a significant “agent smith” effect…

S.


The plot thickens: this demon control of those three solar plexus gateways is responsible for my inability to really enjoy an idyllic environment… peace and tranquility makes me uncomfortable… and tend to hold suspect the ‘airy fairy’ new age sentimentality… new age music, like meta music grates on me… and doesn’t relax me but disturbs me… poring unconditional love into this area can only help… but the question is what holds this thing together… and blocks this passage… how to dissolve it…???

To know the right question is the beginning of finding the right answer… this is a major development…!!  Outstanding…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 23rd, 2010 at 8:28am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 11:29pm:
[quote author=75435447564E4F5517260 link=1268502700/262#262 date=1274578546]5/21/2010 - afternoon session:


The plot thickens: this demon control of those three solar plexus gateways is responsible for my inability to really enjoy an idyllic environment… peace and tranquility makes me uncomfortable… and tend to hold suspect the ‘airy fairy’ new age sentimentality… new age music, like meta music grates on me… and doesn’t relax me but disturbs me… poring unconditional love into this area can only help… but the question is what holds this thing together… and blocks this passage… how to dissolve it…???

To know the right question is the beginning of finding the right answer… this is a major development…!!  Outstanding…

S.


The dark green represents envy, I do have an envious nature… it is well suppressed… suicide… I had an incarnation wherein I went insane created a havoc situation and was pursued by a kind of Brutus cabal… but, I was not caught… I committed suicide… (suicide is always a mistake… one must face one’s creations no matter what they are… if you commit suicide you create a demon which will need to be faced with the courage you should have demonstrated at the time… courage is a very high state of mind… despair and those emotions are feeding the lower state of mind and creating a demon or demons… you will have to confront in some far flung future… I always wondered why I was the only one in my family who could not pick up any instrument and play it by ear… I have perfect pitch… I can recreate any tune after hearing it once by humming or whistling but I can’t transfer that ability to a instrument… this is why… those three gateways of creative motor abilities are blocked…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on May 23rd, 2010 at 9:21pm
Regarding blocks in the upper solarplexus area, I found it ceases along with the cease of thinking and the acceptance and awareness of what is now; no thoughts about what is now; no names, no comments; this will automatically reduce the limiting self-image ("ego"), and with it fears. Although, at the edge of it there can be a sort of gatekeeper-fear, the fear to lose the self.

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 24th, 2010 at 9:32am
Solar Plexus Chakra:

This mornings dream:

I am attempting to get more chips for a game (poker??)… but the space is tight… the boxes under the table are all stacked together… I attempt to crawl around to find the right box… the men or crowded around… they don’t seem to want to move… they are concentrating on the game… one does get up… I thought the chips were next to his legs… they are not… they seem to be at the other end… I move to the other end… then I slowly wake up and my solar plexus area is just a mass of tension… I can’t identify a specific location…

Analysis:  This is where my problem lies… repression?? This has to be bigger than suppression… The Gordian Knot??? Is this the meaning of the Alexander the Great story… was that an allegory and not a real incident… ??? What… ‘a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive…’ But, I have no clue of how to proceed… except to ask for guidance… and of course keep doing what I am doing… this is REALLY where a true ‘guru’ would come in handy… this is the first time I noticed it… it must have been there all the time… I must have been living with it all my life and never noticed it… hummmmmmmmmmm!!

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 24th, 2010 at 1:47pm
5/24/2010 - morning session:

The ego is now hunkering down for a major fight… it is saying this is all hooey… a rip off (BM’s gateway blast)… you are delusional… there is no reality to any of it… give it up… lets go back to the way things were….

How was that exactly… I wonder…

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; disc 2: using heart intelligence gateway experience - first stage separation.

Relaxation phase:

Floating sensation… aware of occipital pressure on pillow… Forsythe saga… adultery… bastard child(??)… (wondered where this came from at first… then of course it is the sex chakra activating…( interpreter went on about Victoria mores of accommodation in loveless marrages… etc… all this before the I/P cut came in…)

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

Kitchen scene a person putting something in a bag… (food?… transmuting to navel chakra???)… multicolor plumes… paraquites… parrots… (san Francisco birds) (am I transmuting to heart chakra… several heart chakra sputters…) hand holding a dog tag like piece… ??(no clue what this means.. Bloody hands… (nothing new about this but… what do I do about it?? Of course I have bloody hands… that is past this in now… is it enough to acknowledge it??? I do so… ask forgiveness?? I do so… let go of it all… let go of it all… [yes, yes.. In a session a day or so ago a woman’s voice said let go… this is what she meant… let go of the past… let go… let go… see it all moving away from me into to the universe… let go…

FSS:

Some heart chakra sputters… in descript phenomena…

S. 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 24th, 2010 at 3:38pm
5/24/2010 - the day goes on:

An internal dialogue:

‘Please stop Dave…’
‘Please Dave please don’t go any further…’
‘Please… don’t…’
‘…ah … ah… ‘

‘Daisy, daisy give me your answer true, I’m half crazy….’

S.. 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 24th, 2010 at 7:03pm
5/24/2010 - afternoon session:

The ego is now hunkering down for a major fight…

Some how the ego made me miss program my session and I aborted after the I/P segment.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver;

Relaxation phase:

Things are really happening in the relaxation phase… fundamental body is like jello… the heart chakra is sputtering nicely… seems one could eventually project just using the relaxation cut… I don’t know how long it would take but it looks like this is quite possible.  But I suspect it is necessary to learn diaphragmatic breathing… this is the key… there is stuff happening in the breathing phase I can’t really explain. 

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

The chakral progression in my case is amazingly varied and easy to miss (because of the stochastic nature of this work I think I am mistaken when I say everyone must go thru this progression… this may not be the case since… RB… found a separate sex chakra… which suggests that everyone doesn’t have to trigger it… ) but I was surprised when I began to hear the ‘wedding song’ clearly a sex chakra  signal… the navel chakra (food)… the tiered wedding cake… heart chakra… the art of wedding reception band music… this is simply amazing to experience and ‘get it’. I suspect this is not easy to ‘get’.
The Third Eye turned on with brow point and cranial activity… possibly the crown chakra was beginning to activate…

What I don’t understand is the last segment of the sequence was a television screen and a football game in progress… red jersey’d team and a team in white… no clue about this… energy???

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 25th, 2010 at 10:57am
5/24/2010 - evening session:

First two conditions for an o.b.e.:

1. 100% relaxation
2. Quiet mind

If I get any more relaxed I will disappear, but, I am not really quieting my mind. The JOOB discs are designed to help with the o.b.e. therefore I am dropping the gateway fss disc and substituting the joob - d disc.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: disc 1: cut 1 relaxation, cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; joob d-disc.

Relaxation phase:

Nice deep relaxation with this caveat… I realized I am TOO awake physically, too well rested… and the depth is not what it can be…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

Don’t recall anything from the I/p…

JOOB:

Very smooth… silent… but still no banana…

S.

Morning of 5/25/2010 - Dream:

(This may be a function of NCIS LA and two major automatic weapons gun fights in the program… am I simple processing the program??)

I am involved in a major brawl of sub-culture (in NCIS they were battling Rumanians)… biker types, but, the interesting thing is my solar plexus chakra was not tense but kind of flowing energy… not what it should be or could be but better than the last few days…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 25th, 2010 at 1:38pm
5/25/2010 - morning session:

This has taken a long time to accomplish, but, I think I have the proper mix now. When you read that the fundamental body was moving it could be that it is the expanded energy body attempting to generate the rtx - double… when the shifting is in conjunction with the heart chakra activating or rather sputtering..

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A disc (here the ‘ego‘ tripped me up… and I put in the Monroe introduction lecture… but I didn‘t abort it I listened)

Relaxation phase:

I now surmise the reason this didn’t work before was I never got to the relaxed state necessary to fulfill the first condition for an obe… I.e… 100% Relaxation. The vibrations started to come in… fundamental energy body shifts, expanded energy body creates the fuzzy halo at the same time the heart chakra begins to sputter…

Interpreter/perceiver cut:

See a little boy standing facing me… (now I wonder is this my rtz-double and I missed it??) But, the interpreter brought up an early childhood sex incident (sex chakra activating??) came up (deleted)…

Error of disc Monroe lecture:

I decided not to abort… it was essentially the first book JOOB… but, that didn’t stop the vibrations or the fundmental energy body and expanded energy body and the heart chakra from attempting to do their job…

I now have the right mix I think… going forward… may tweet it a bit…

S. 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 25th, 2010 at 1:50pm
Where do you get all the time for this? lol

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 25th, 2010 at 9:22pm

msagansk wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 1:50pm:
Where do you get all the time for this? lol


Hi M: I am a doddering old fogey retired. LOL!! Thank God!!! It all comes at exactly the right time... death is certainly going to become me... that is if I don't achieve "Facilitatorship"  8-)

S

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 25th, 2010 at 9:25pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 9:22pm:
Hi M: I am a doddering old fogey retired. LOL!! Thank God!!! It all comes at exactly the right time... death is certainly going to become me... that is if I don't achieve "Facilitatorship"  8-)

S


Ah that makes sense. :) I've got a ways to go yet, just starting out!

P.S. I'm signing up for the Gateway Voyage in August.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 26th, 2010 at 12:03pm

msagansk wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 9:25pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 9:22pm:
Hi M: I am a doddering old fogey retired. LOL!! Thank God!!! It all comes at exactly the right time... death is certainly going to become me... that is if I don't achieve "Facilitatorship"  8-)

S


Ah that makes sense. :) I've got a ways to go yet, just starting out!

P.S. I'm signing up for the Gateway Voyage in August.


Outstanding!! I will miss you by a month I am signed up for the bulman obe seminar in sept.


S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 26th, 2010 at 12:08pm
5/26/2010 - morning dream:

Interesting developement in the weeks evolution... I am seated on a street with my psychiatrist having an open air session... outside of a restaurant???... as I am discussing my material behind me inside the restaurant a major ruckus is taking place... a battle royal... this may important... I am seated against a concrete wall... the restaurant is behind the wall... I awoke with solar plexus chakra calm...

... not sure how to interpret this... but the next few days or weeks might shed some light on it...

Have I cleared the solar plexus chakra... ???

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on May 26th, 2010 at 8:56pm
In that dream, you differentiated between your digestion apparatus and your thought apparatus.

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 27th, 2010 at 2:13am

spooky2 wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 8:56pm:
In that dream, you differentiated between your digestion apparatus and your thought apparatus.

Spooky


I think I get what you are saying... the restaurant represents digestion? The psychiatric session represents though?? Can you elaborate a bit more on this... sounds write... but...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 27th, 2010 at 10:45am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:
5/21/2010 - afternoon session:

FSS:

…saw a demon’s head it was green oval with button eyes… I was slightly startled but not unduely fearful… I don’t think its preventing the exit…

S.  [/b]



Seraphis1 wrote on May 22nd, 2010 at 9:35pm:
There is something important about that demon head… this is the second time I’ve seen it… it is residing in my solar plexus chakra… I have very disturbing dreams connected with confrontations with malevolent people and when I awake the upright part of the solar plexus is very sore… it resides in the phrenic plexus, suprarenal plexus and the lineal plexus… the question is how to dissolve it… its power has diminished since Guidelines first detected it’s Dominatrix projection… she’s gone… but the underlying matrix is represented by this demon head… my recently acquired bodyguard has handled him once… but he churns up disturbing effects… this is a significant “agent smith” effect…

S.
The plot thickens: this demon control of those three solar plexus gateways is responsible for my inability to really enjoy an idyllic environment… peace and tranquility makes me uncomfortable… and tend to hold suspect the ‘airy fairy’ new age sentimentality… new age music, like meta music grates on me… and doesn’t relax me but disturbs me… poring unconditional love into this area can only help… but the question is what holds this thing together… and blocks this passage… how to dissolve it…???

To know the right question is the beginning of finding the right answer… this is a major development…!!  Outstanding…

S.


Hi: Have I come full circle on the demon head. Can it really be this quick and without a lot of  complex work to unravel?

This morning’s dream:

I’m in a football game… the ball is snapped?? It is pitched out to me…  begin an end run… student body right style… the blocking is perfect I turn the corner and begin running in the clear to the goal line… did I score… I don’t know… I awoke… the solar plexus chakra was not reactive just quietly relaxed… then I see a head… it is clear and looks on reflection like my mother… not sure… could have changed or projected the image… faded in and out…


Question: Is the demon gone? Is Hawkins right all you have to do is bring things up from the unconscious/subconscious into conscious awareness and they dissolve on there own without a lot of conscious complex effort…

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 28th, 2010 at 2:57am
Second Dream: 05/27/2010 – After the Demon Head

The next layer:

I am elated about getting to go to Las Vegas… I enter a cluttered room. My mother is reclining on a bed on the right front of me… same side to the right a person… the window is open in front of my mother… there is a cool steady breeze entering the room… I am cold… I say so…


The demon head has morphed or so it seems… tho the room is cluttered the space is more open then any of the other dreams… and the window is open… wind (energy is flowing in?) it is cold and I am feeling it… what does this mean?

One thing is clear (just saw as I wrote a flash of brilliant light)… one removes layer upon layer of the unconscious/subconscious… I am about to by Carolyn Myss’ – CD set… Energy Anatomy series… what doors will this open…??? This work touches on archtypes and chakras material...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 29th, 2010 at 7:04pm
:-[quote author=5D6B7C6F7E66677D3F0E0 link=1268502700/281#281 date=1275029841]Second Dream: 05/27/2010 – After the Demon Head

The next layer:

I am elated about getting to go to Las Vegas… I enter a cluttered room. My mother is reclining on a bed on the right front of me… same side to the right a person… the window is open in front of my mother… there is a cool steady breeze entering the room… I am cold… I say so…


The demon head has morphed or so it seems… tho the room is cluttered the space is more open then any of the other dreams… and the window is open… wind (energy is flowing in?) it is cold and I am feeling it… what does this mean?

One thing is clear (just saw as I wrote a flash of brilliant light)… one removes layer upon layer of the unconscious/subconscious… I am about to by Carolyn Myss’ – CD set… Energy Anatomy series… what doors will this open…??? This work touches on archtypes and chakras material...

S.
[/quote]

5/29/2010 - Afternoon session:

Reached a whole new level of relaxation in which the lower part of my body has no differentiation… it seem all one… the state crept up to my chest and arms.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Again, I believe diaphragmatic breathing is at work here… but, I have a whole new way of breathing… and it is difficult to explain… you just have to experience it.

Felt myself roll… fundamental energy body?? (Monroe says he learned to roll out of his body…) lavender light… female face comes in… my face itching like crazy… (this is a separation symptom… )… (I may have encountered an archetype) boy pan something like this youth http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images/bacchus3.jpg, but with donkey ears (possibly… I may have morphed then in through the Interpreters over exposure… )

This may be the new layer beginning to manifest.


S. 

ps: Key 15--- The Devil Pan Archetype of Materiality & Acceptance The basic teaching is how to live with your feel on the earth and your head in heaven. Our role is to have everything without possessing anything. Pan is the tester but also the protector who continuously monitors and measures the growth of consciousness and as necessary injects thought of caution and discretion into your mind.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 29th, 2010 at 11:45pm
5/29/2010 - Evening session:

I don’t know how it can be that one can get so close to an exit and not have the exit.  My whole being was centered in the brow point… poised to generate the exit an no banana. This is exceedingly frustration since I have inadvertently exited so many times by accident.

The mix ~

Potpourri session: akg disc 1: cut 1; JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I’m eating… nose itch… left side… (again this is an exit symptom)… basketball player takes a long shot… laker?? Right arm jolt (another exit symptom… the exit already took place and popped back in… left foot jolt… (exit symptom… popping in and out…)… lavender light… an overweight woman on right long curling brownish hair in a white poca dot on a black field dress directing seating in an office (???)…  large living room area… French doors far right… white frame… long couch in front of a faux fireplace… itching left side upper lip… (exit symptom…)… brown shirt… Nazi (German SA… Ernst Rohm’s… faction of Nazi party… was I a member in 1920’s… is that possible???) could be where the demon head came from… the Pan… relationship to the Devil… could that be so… was I a naïve ‘believer’ in the movement in the early days when the German people were so ill treated by the Treaty of Versailles… (not an excuse for what happened… ) I have deep karmic connection to the Teutonic experience… could this be so???

I guess I have to face my creations… all of them… !!!!

Last part of the session I am focused as a kind of p.o.c… right at the brow point… I rope climb, I rope ladder climb… I try to shift consciousness to area where I semi-consciously have exited in the past… nothing… session ends….

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 29th, 2010 at 11:55pm

Seraphis1 wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:45pm:
5/29/2010 - Evening session:

I don’t know how it can be that one can get so close to an exit and not have the exit.  My whole being was centered in the brow point… poised to generate the exit an no banana. This is exceedingly frustration since I have inadvertently exited so many times by accident.

The mix ~

Potpourri session: akg disc 1: cut 1; JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I’m eating… nose itch… left side… (again this is an exit symptom)… basketball player takes a long shot… laker?? Right arm jolt (another exit symptom… the exit already took place and popped back in… left foot jolt… (exit symptom… popping in and out…)… lavender light… an overweight woman on right long curling brownish hair in a white poca dot on a black field dress directing seating in an office (???)…  large living room area… French doors far right… white frame… long couch in front of a faux fireplace… itching left side upper lip… (exit symptom…)… brown shirt… Nazi (German SA… Ernst Rohm’s… faction of Nazi party… was I a member in 1920’s… is that possible???) could be where the demon head came from… the Pan… relationship to the Devil… could that be so… was I a naïve ‘believer’ in the movement in the early days when the German people were so ill treated by the Treaty of Versailles… (not an excuse for what happened… ) I have deep karmic connection to the Teutonic experience… could this be so???

I guess I have to face my creations… all of them… !!!!

Last part of the session I am focused as a kind of p.o.c… right at the brow point… I rope climb, I rope ladder climb… I try to shift consciousness to area where I semi-consciously have exited in the past… nothing… session ends….

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 30th, 2010 at 12:07am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 11:45pm:
5/29/2010 - Evening session:

I don’t know how it can be that one can get so close to an exit and not have the exit.  My whole being was centered in the brow point… poised to generate the exit an no banana. This is exceedingly frustration since I have inadvertently exited so many times by accident.

The mix ~

Potpourri session: akg disc 1: cut 1; JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; akg disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I’m eating… nose itch… left side… (again this is an exit symptom)… basketball player takes a long shot… laker?? Right arm jolt (another exit symptom… the exit already took place and popped back in… left foot jolt… (exit symptom… popping in and out…)… lavender light… an overweight woman on right long curling brownish hair in a white poca dot on a black field dress directing seating in an office (???)…  large living room area… French doors far right… white frame… long couch in front of a faux fireplace… itching left side upper lip… (exit symptom…)… brown shirt… Nazi (German SA… Ernst Rohm’s… faction of Nazi party… was I a member in 1920’s… is that possible???) could be where the demon head came from… the Pan… relationship to the Devil… could that be so… was I a naïve ‘believer’ in the movement in the early days when the German people were so ill treated by the Treaty of Versailles… (not an excuse for what happened… ) I have deep karmic connection to the Teutonic experience… could this be so???

I guess I have to face my creations… all of them… !!!!

Last part of the session I am focused as a kind of p.o.c… right at the brow point… I rope climb, I rope ladder climb… I try to shift consciousness to area where I semi-consciously have exited in the past… nothing… session ends….

S.


Getting it off my chest: I have always had a disdain for the French. A part of me is happy that the Wehrmacht gave the French a thorough thrashing in the first offensive of 1940. The French were the mean spirited arbiters of the Treat of Versailles… obstructionists of President Woodrow Wilson’s initiative to create a world for everyone… the French blocked it… the French their pound of flesh in the Middle East where they virtually expended no treasure or lives in the defeat of the Ottoman Turks… that was completely a British show… at the end of WWII they demanded Vietnam when the American initiative was to accommodate Ho Chi Minh… but, there must be an end to the cycle of hatred and animosity… I personally end it now, I forgive and put France’s fate in the hands of God… I ask their forgiveness for my anger at that people…

Gloria In Excelsus Deo.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by chrwe on May 30th, 2010 at 1:18am
Thinking negatively about a whole group of people, like "the French" is always wrong :)

Being German, I can honestly say that I know and will always know deep in my heart that there is no such thing as a bad group like "the French" "the women" "the men" "the christians"...there will be some groups of indivicuals who, together, act badly, sometimes this can affect most of a nation (but never everyone)

there are french people - some are good, some are not

some did stupid stuff, some didnt

we are all individuals and sometimes are packed in groups - usually not for the better

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 30th, 2010 at 2:33am

chrwe wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 1:18am:
Thinking negatively about a whole group of people, like "the French" is always wrong :)

Being German, I can honestly say that I know and will always know deep in my heart that there is no such thing as a bad group like "the French" "the women" "the men" "the christians"...there will be some groups of indivicuals who, together, act badly, sometimes this can affect most of a nation (but never everyone)

there are french people - some are good, some are not

some did stupid stuff, some didnt

we are all individuals and sometimes are packed in groups - usually not for the better


Hi chrwe: I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but, to clarify... in spiritual work one must face one's creations squarely and directly... warts and all. We over the millinia have been good and bad, the good guy and the bad guy (from someones point of view) there are layers and layers of these lives which have created 'belief systems' and ego structures... the path... requires that one tears this stuff down... this is the only way to find out who you really are... I hope this is clearer... and if you follow this thread thinking along these lines from the time I encountered the demon head... it leads to this next layer... this thread is NOT an attack on anyone... or any group but a release of negative energy locked up in a series of incidents and my own personal creations... does that make this thread series cleared??

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by chrwe on May 30th, 2010 at 4:37am
Hi,

your personal journey is certainly awsome. Maybe you are meant to face these predjudices you yourself said you had? And overcome them. I was trying to give you fuel for overcoming them.

bliss to you

chrwe

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Beau on May 30th, 2010 at 8:53am
This is a GREAT Thread. Have y'all discussed the difference between phasing and obe in here. If so I missed it. Since we're not in our bodies in actuality how does phasing stack up to your experience thus far?

I get to f10 with no problems and I feel differently sometimes, but most of the time I get flooded with impressions that steal my attention before I can really experience the release a lot you talk about. Could be a tension thing I guess. I do feel like I'm in touch with a great knowledge in this state, but I've rarely experienced the obe proper. My best experiences are the ones that are dry with no Hemi Sync or any other external help.

Yours,
Beau

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 30th, 2010 at 9:18am

chrwe wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 4:37am:
Hi,

your personal journey is certainly awsome. Maybe you are meant to face these predjudices you yourself said you had? And overcome them. I was trying to give you fuel for overcoming them.

bliss to you

chrwe


Hi chrwe: Thanks for the clarification. I compute.

Yours in the Light.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 30th, 2010 at 2:38pm
The light at the end of the tunnel for this 90-day trial is arriving, and with it many mixed feelings. While I haven't had a classic-OBE yet, I've definitely experienced many paranormal events. I've had much better results with focusing on meditation rather than any sort of complicated exit technique, so I will definitely be taking a different approach after the 90 days are up. This trial has opened up a whole new world for me to explore, which is amazing in itself.

With summer starting over the past couple of weeks I'd be lying if I said I was able to do all of the exercises in a strict fashion each day. My daily schedule is quite a bit busier when it gets nice outside, so I've had to fit in what I can here and there. This is probably slowing down my progress but balance in life is important too.

I'm signing up for the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute in August, which I'm really excited for. I hope to make some additional breakthroughs and speed up my progress there. I'll be sure to post about my experiences here.

Right now, I can fairly easily get visions/dreams in the astral while meditating. I don't have much control over what I see yet, but it is a start. I seem to lose some of my self-awareness while the visions come, which makes it seem more dream-like... but I'm still somewhat aware of my physical body too. I want to continue with this and see if I can gain more control over what I experience. Being able to clear my surface thoughts has become easier with practice, which I think is what quickly leads to the imagery.

The exercises and writings in MAP haven't had any sort of drastic changes as it did during the first 45 days or so. Robert Bruce discusses some of the finer points and possible problems or experiences that you may encounter, which are nice validations for what I've been experiencing or having problems with. It just feels like the exit techniques he recommends undo all the energy and meditation work I do during each practice session, so it almost feels detrimental to what I'm trying to achieve. I'm not sure if that's how it's supposed to be or if I'm doing something wrong, or if his methodology isn't the right one for me.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 30th, 2010 at 11:08pm

msagansk wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 2:38pm:
The light at the end of the tunnel for this 90-day trial is arriving, and with it many mixed feelings. While I haven't had a classic-OBE yet, I've definitely experienced many paranormal events. I've had much better results with focusing on meditation rather than any sort of complicated exit technique, so I will definitely be taking a different approach after the 90 days are up. This trial has opened up a whole new world for me to explore, which is amazing in itself.

With summer starting over the past couple of weeks I'd be lying if I said I was able to do all of the exercises in a strict fashion each day. My daily schedule is quite a bit busier when it gets nice outside, so I've had to fit in what I can here and there. This is probably slowing down my progress but balance in life is important too.

I'm signing up for the Gateway Voyage program at The Monroe Institute in August, which I'm really excited for. I hope to make some additional breakthroughs and speed up my progress there. I'll be sure to post about my experiences here.

Right now, I can fairly easily get visions/dreams in the astral while meditating. I don't have much control over what I see yet, but it is a start. I seem to lose some of my self-awareness while the visions come, which makes it seem more dream-like... but I'm still somewhat aware of my physical body too. I want to continue with this and see if I can gain more control over what I experience. Being able to clear my surface thoughts has become easier with practice, which I think is what quickly leads to the imagery.

The exercises and writings in MAP haven't had any sort of drastic changes as it did during the first 45 days or so. Robert Bruce discusses some of the finer points and possible problems or experiences that you may encounter, which are nice validations for what I've been experiencing or having problems with. It just feels like the exit techniques he recommends undo all the energy and meditation work I do during each practice session, so it almost feels detrimental to what I'm trying to achieve. I'm not sure if that's how it's supposed to be or if I'm doing something wrong, or if his methodology isn't the right one for me.


Hi M: I wouldn't bite down too hard on fixed process. The non-linear world is stochastic, therefore, no two people will experience it exactly according to an established model. The model is a framework... all sorts of variations will turn on for each indivdual... so going with what you are intuiting (that is... RB's energy work being undone in some way is clearly happening if you note it...) so follow your instincts and over time all will fall into place.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 30th, 2010 at 11:38pm
5/23/2010 - Evening session:


Beau wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 8:53am:
This is a GREAT Thread.

I get to f10 with no problems and I feel differently sometimes, but most of the time I get flooded with impressions that steal my attention before I can really experience the release a lot you talk about. Could be a tension thing I guess. I do feel like I'm in touch with a great knowledge in this state, but I've rarely experienced the obe proper. My best experiences are the ones that are dry with no Hemi Sync or any other external help.

Yours,
Beau


Hi Beau: This session fit the above to some extend. So I am posting it with your lead.


Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Nothing new about the new sensation of relaxation… this maybe relating to Beau’s observation about F10... But I just experienced separation of my body and my mind… they came apart… my body was distinctly asleep… my mind now was quite numb… I am clearly not triggering the automatic reflex… the reflex simply triggers when it believes the being is asleep… but the being is the whole entity… the body and the mind so somehow the reflex mechanism realizes the mind is not asleep, therefore it is miss firing… the heart chakra sputters and doesn’t engage the rtz-double generation process…

Now, there is a handout at the Institute that those of you who have taken gateway will have in your materials packet called:

Robert Monroe’s Consciousness Phasing Model


In the diagram it shows C1, once F10 is achieved then Daydreaming, Light Meditation, Creative Flow, Deep Meditation are possible…

In this session my mind went into Daydreaming/Light Meditation where (The Perceiver) formed a streaming image of a very ornate Hindu/Tibetan Inner Temple… or Tabernacle… this hung around for a while… my Interpreter gave only what I wrote above… and did not elaborate… there were other images connected to city scapes… but, the Interpreter could not ID them or comment on them…

Just as the JOOB hand book says: “You will know you are successful when you become bored and expect something more to happen.”

Well nothing more happened and tho I got a number of urges to abort… I stayed with the exercise until the command to return to C1.

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on May 31st, 2010 at 9:54am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 30th, 2010 at 11:08pm:
Hi M: I wouldn't bite down too hard on fixed process. The non-linear world is stochastic, therefore, no two people will experience it exactly according to an established model. The model is a framework... all sorts of variations will turn on for each indivdual... so going with what you are intuiting (that is... RB's energy work being undone in some way is clearly happening if you note it...) so follow your instincts and over time all will fall into place.

S.


I agree, just go with the flow!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 31st, 2010 at 1:46pm
5/31/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Don’t seem to have any consistency day to day on the depth… there was no body mind separation in this session… solar plexus chakra activated… basketball… the Baroness… (delete)… pressure at the brow point… The Hermit… a man looking left… could be Michael Saganski… but reverse of logo picture… very clear… may have morphed the identity…

(Mike do you have a dark red like the red on in http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.problogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/problogger-t-shirts.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.problogger.net/archives/2007/11/14/problogger-t-shirts-get-yours-today/&usg=__9EkM1Rhn3IeGO7Ncv2W884KctvI=&h=539&w=540&sz=152&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=BEnVLvy1cqVedM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=132&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dt%2Bshirt%2Bstyles%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1W1ADSA_en%26tbs%3Disch:1  this happened around 9am pst. Were you mediating or online posting??)

Strong session tho… interesting potential breakthru at a deep meditative level as per the Monroe scale of consciousness.

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on May 31st, 2010 at 6:54pm
5/31/2010 - afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

An amazing session, I don’t know how much closer I can get to projecting, without projecting.

The session begins with a solar plexus chakra area jolt… (obe)… woman in a wheel chair attempts to go down a flight of stairs using her brake and gravity… don’t know how this came out… the purple light pulse from my brow point was very strong… stronger than I ever remember it pulsing… images formed inside the plus… definite physiological sensations… I must have entered the Monroe phase model level of deep meditation because I saw a golden ornate ring glowing… light flowed out of it downward… then I seem to be on the verge of projecting for the rest of the session I attempted to prime the pump by imagining myself floating above my body, I saw an Egyptian sarcophagus with the head dress… I kept up the imagining… my skull became electrified… several surges… nothing… rope climbing… rope ladder climbing… postulating I will project… I asked the universe to allow me to project… kept up the visualization and postulating… until the session ended…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 1st, 2010 at 12:24pm
6/1/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Achieve a whole new state… not sure yet whether it is another relaxation level or a precursor to a more powerful meditative level… but, it was certainly dynamic in a way I never experienced it before… and then there was the solid ‘x’… a feeling of a solid continuous mass from the toe of one foot fhru the leg across to the shoulder… left and right… not sure what this is… but, the state seems to be a precursor to the vibrations Monroe describes in JOOB… will  have to see how this goes… if I can induce it again.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 1st, 2010 at 10:57pm
6/1/2010 - Evening session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Well well, well this is the state:

Achieve a whole new state… not sure yet whether it is another relaxation level or a precursor to a more powerful meditative level… but, it was certainly dynamic in a way I never experienced it before… and then there was the solid ‘x’…

The solid ‘x’ did not return BUT, I got into the dream state or daydreaming state… and I knew where I was… without winking out… p.o.c. is a problem it seems fixed in my brain (pineal)… but toward the end of the session I began to understand about developing an exit technique that works for me personally… and it is the affirmation: right when one feels ready to exit state the affirmation:

I am floating above my body.


The session ended just as I was making the transition out of my body… I was floating… I’ve done it inadvertently many times before so it is just a matter of shifting consciousness to that memory location… the AFFIRMATION MUST WORK… !!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 4th, 2010 at 6:56pm
6/4/2010 - Afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I think I am firmly in focus 10 (from a Monrovian point of view)… clearly body asleep… and a new breath control which is probably the key to getting the o.b.e automatic reflex to trigger… I think I understand what is happening… if Robert Bruce is correct… the AR is triggered when the whole package is asleep… the delicate balancing act which Astral Projection technique is attempting to do is the keep a slight conscious awareness observing the event… I.e.. the p.o.c… isolated from the physical and mental process… so it may not be body asleep/mind awake… it may be body and mind asleep/ p.o.c. awake…

Lots of ornate stuff I seem to be watch a royal procession (Victorian era costuming)… lush garden…

But, clearly, my exit is going to come with the affirmation: I am floating above my body. At many points I seem to be phasing into realizing the affirmation.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 5th, 2010 at 10:59pm
6/5/2010 - Evening session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I now know what the body jolt is… that is the obe automatic reflex… it jolts because for some fraction of a second or millisecond… the reflex is triggered and the obe… goes into action… because I am not completely asleep I abort the obe event…

Ascended to the daydreaming realm and saw a group of men sitting around a table… it was in the distance.

I/P: for some reason my interpreter does not turn on to the exercise prompt… but, what happens is the Interpreter goes of on its own into a non-sequitor… bring up past mistakes I wish I could do over… for example when I make a wrong bet in a horse race, when I had an inspiration to make the right bet…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Vee on Jun 6th, 2010 at 12:16am
You inspire me to get the Guidebook out and start again to work my way through it, Seraphis. It's neat to follow you doing this. Vee

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 6th, 2010 at 10:44am

Vee wrote on Jun 6th, 2010 at 12:16am:
You inspire me to get the Guidebook out and start again to work my way through it, Seraphis. It's neat to follow you doing this. Vee


Hi Vee: Glad this is helping you. It is meant to establish a clinincal record, that's why I have introduced so much detail rather than generalities. It turns out that there are a lot of signals that you are progressing in your daily physiological changes not just in session. Most books on the subject don't go into them and thus valuble information about daily things to look for would help the student, I have not included these. So when you get back into it. It would be nice if you would post... those pertinent things that happen... of course... with the proviso that you may not post very personal material but you might note that you have deleted it.

What I have done is stayed with exercises that were producing a result until they stopped producing a result. There is no need to rush through the book's exercise in my opinion...

One other thing... learn diaphramatic breathing. You'll be surprised at what happens... the Tibetans have very specific breathing exercises that can and do alter your reality. Just another tool in you kit.

Good luck in your journey.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Jun 6th, 2010 at 7:57pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 6th, 2010 at 10:44am:
One other thing... learn diaphramatic breathing. You'll be surprised at what happens... the Tibetans have very specific breathing exercises that can and do alter your reality. Just another tool in you kit.


I think you might have just sold me on that one. :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:01pm
6/7/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Not consistently getting into deep state, tho, eventually it does phase in… not sure how to fix this.

I/P:
Highlight of the I/p portion is the tarot card symbolism with the following potential meaning:

Basic Tarot Meaning
The High Priestess is the card of knowledge, instinctual, supernatural, secret knowledge. She holds scrolls of arcane information that she might, or might not reveal to you. The moon crown on her head as well as the crescent by her foot indicates her willingness to illuminate what you otherwise might not see, reveal the secrets you need to know in order to make a decision about a problem or a job, an investment, love, career, family, etc.
And, finally, there is, behind her throne, the curtain that leads to the deepest, most esoteric and secret knowledge; the pomegranates that decorate it remind us of Persephone, who was taken down into the land of the dead, ate its fruit, and became the only goddess allowed to travel to and from that strange land. This indicates that when you get the High Priestess, you're going to be learning some very odd things. Very odd.


So I guess I just have to wait and see.


S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:24pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:01pm:
6/7/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Not consistently getting into deep state, tho, eventually it does phase in… not sure how to fix this.

I/P:
Highlight of the I/p portion is the tarot card symbolism with the following potential meaning:

Basic Tarot Meaning
The High Priestess is the card of knowledge, instinctual, supernatural, secret knowledge. She holds scrolls of arcane information that she might, or might not reveal to you. The moon crown on her head as well as the crescent by her foot indicates her willingness to illuminate what you otherwise might not see, reveal the secrets you need to know in order to make a decision about a problem or a job, an investment, love, career, family, etc.
And, finally, there is, behind her throne, the curtain that leads to the deepest, most esoteric and secret knowledge; the pomegranates that decorate it remind us of Persephone, who was taken down into the land of the dead, ate its fruit, and became the only goddess allowed to travel to and from that strange land. This indicates that when you get the High Priestess, you're going to be learning some very odd things. Very odd.


So I guess I just have to wait and see.


S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:40pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:01pm:
6/7/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Not consistently getting into deep state, tho, eventually it does phase in… not sure how to fix this.

I/P:
Highlight of the I/p portion is the tarot card symbolism with the following potential meaning:

Basic Tarot Meaning
The High Priestess is the card of knowledge, instinctual, supernatural, secret knowledge. She holds scrolls of arcane information that she might, or might not reveal to you. The moon crown on her head as well as the crescent by her foot indicates her willingness to illuminate what you otherwise might not see, reveal the secrets you need to know in order to make a decision about a problem or a job, an investment, love, career, family, etc.
And, finally, there is, behind her throne, the curtain that leads to the deepest, most esoteric and secret knowledge; the pomegranates that decorate it remind us of Persephone, who was taken down into the land of the dead, ate its fruit, and became the only goddess allowed to travel to and from that strange land. This indicates that when you get the High Priestess, you're going to be learning some very odd things. Very odd.


So I guess I just have to wait and see.


S.



6/7/2010 Afternoon Session:

Well it didn’t take long for the learning of some very odd things:

This is the High Priestess card:

http://melissatarot.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/high-priestess.jpg

This was an amazing session. It was sensuous and very metaphysical at the same time. I started to get a buzzing sensation all around my head. When I went to Australia one time in search of a girl I liked… I exited through my forehead. This was the same sensation and I thought I was about to exit. Then, I began to get this pressure in my thalamus area…

http://www.besthealth.com/besthealth/bodyguide/reftext/images/Thymus_spleen.jpg

Then, as the session went on and I began my exit affirmation: ‘I am floating above my body.’ I saw the top of the head of a body… here I don’t know if I was imagining it or if it was the rtz - double… I attempted to do a poc shift, but, I couldn't make the shift…

Then a Persian carpet design flowed across between me and the double at the brow area… (flying carpet??)… but my whole body was emitting a glow… and a very sensuous sensation possibly an internal orgasm was sending a shockwave through my body or was it just my brain… my frontal lobes as I write are still buzzing.

Any way Monroe counted me up to C!.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 8th, 2010 at 2:01am

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:01pm:
6/7/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Not consistently getting into deep state, tho, eventually it does phase in… not sure how to fix this.

I/P:
Highlight of the I/p portion is the tarot card symbolism with the following potential meaning:

Basic Tarot Meaning
The High Priestess is the card of knowledge, instinctual, supernatural, secret knowledge. She holds scrolls of arcane information that she might, or might not reveal to you. The moon crown on her head as well as the crescent by her foot indicates her willingness to illuminate what you otherwise might not see, reveal the secrets you need to know in order to make a decision about a problem or a job, an investment, love, career, family, etc.
And, finally, there is, behind her throne, the curtain that leads to the deepest, most esoteric and secret knowledge; the pomegranates that decorate it remind us of Persephone, who was taken down into the land of the dead, ate its fruit, and became the only goddess allowed to travel to and from that strange land. This indicates that when you get the High Priestess, you're going to be learning some very odd things. Very odd.


So I guess I just have to wait and see.


S.



6/7/2010 Afternoon Session:

Well it didn’t take long for the learning of some very odd things:

This is the High Priestess card:

http://melissatarot.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/high-priestess.jpg

This was an amazing session. It was sensuous and very metaphysical at the same time. I started to get a buzzing sensation all around my head. When I went to Australia one time in search of a girl I liked… I exited through my forehead. This was the same sensation and I thought I was about to exit. Then, I began to get this pressure in my thalamus area…

http://www.besthealth.com/besthealth/bodyguide/reftext/images/Thymus_spleen.jpg

Then, as the session went on and I began my exit affirmation: ‘I am floating above my body.’ I saw the top of the head of a body… here I don’t know if I was imagining it or if it was the rtz - double… I attempted to do a poc shift, but, I couldn't make the shift…

Then a Persian carpet design flowed across between me and the double at the brow area… (flying carpet??)… but my whole body was emitting a glow… and a very sensuous sensation possibly an internal orgasm was sending a shockwave through my body or was it just my brain… my frontal lobes as I write are still buzzing.

Any way Monroe counted me up to C!.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 8th, 2010 at 2:02am

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 6:40pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 7th, 2010 at 3:01pm:
6/7/2010 - Morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A



6/7/2010 Afternoon Session:

Well it didn’t take long for the learning of some very odd things:

This is the High Priestess card:

http://melissatarot.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/high-priestess.jpg

Then a Persian carpet design flowed across between me and the double at the brow area… (flying carpet??)… but my whole body was emitting a glow… and a very sensuous sensation possibly an internal orgasm was sending a shockwave through my body or was it just my brain… my frontal lobes as I write are still buzzing.

Any way Monroe counted me up to C!.

S.


Hummmm… I am wondering as an afterthought if I am closing in on Pure Unconditional Love. What I left out of the debriefing was a sense of joy… well being… this could be just on the outer edges of the ultimate goal of the Heart Chakra …I.e… the expression of Pure Unconditional love. This will be interesting to see develop.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 8th, 2010 at 11:04pm
6/8/2010 - Day:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

All three sessions were characterized by progressively stronger and stronger body vibrations. I assume this means I am just that much closer to exiting… the key of course is the steady vibrations as described in JOOB…

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:35pm
6/9/2010 - morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I just can’t believe how inconsistent my ability to get to deep relaxation levels is… I guess it is like being an athlete… there are days in which you just don’t have the technique in hand. But, I got to some level… and began considering why it is that my volitional desire to project is so difficult to satisfy.

So while in as deep a relaxation state as I could get I decided to use BM’s changing belief systems procedure… talk to the entity who is responsible for the barrier… and sure enough I encountered my inner child… (an archetype)… he does not want to die… he is responsible for keeping us alive… an obe to him equals death… or (growing up??)… growing up means a lost of a state… he don’t want that… but just the act of discovering he exists changed my inner state… things started to happen… but, as usual they happen just about the time Monroe says… and now I will count you back to c1.

O well, there is always another session.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:48pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
6/9/2010 - morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

I just can’t believe how inconsistent my ability to get to deep relaxation levels is… I guess it is like being an athlete… there are days in which you just don’t have the technique in hand. But, I got to some level… and began considering why it is that my volitional desire to project is so difficult to satisfy.

So while in as deep a relaxation state as I could get I decided to use BM’s changing belief systems procedure… talk to the entity who is responsible for the barrier… and sure enough I encountered my inner child… (an archetype)… he does not want to die… he is responsible for keeping us alive… an obe to him equals death… or (growing up??)… growing up means a lost of a state… he don’t want that… but just the act of discovering he exists changed my inner state… things started to happen… but, as usual they happen just about the time Monroe says… and now I will count you back to c1.

O well, there is always another session.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:57pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
6/9/2010 - morning session:
Revised mix ~
Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A
Relaxation phase:
So while in as deep a relaxation state as I could get I decided to use BM’s changing belief systems procedure… talk to the entity who is responsible for the barrier… and sure enough I encountered my inner child… (an archetype)… he does not want to die… he is responsible for keeping us alive… an obe to him equals death… or (growing up??)… growing up means a lost of a state… he don’t want that… but just the act of discovering he exists changed my inner state… things started to happen… but, as usual they happen just about the time Monroe says… and now I will count you back to c1.
O well, there is always another session.
S.

This is very interesting because it accounts for my life as an innocent bystander. I have always avoided responsibility. I liked being just a draftsman in a big organization where I could disappear, tho, I guess I had ability I produced just enough to get by and hated the idea of being a group leader… (I would have to grow up… my inner child don’t want to grow up)… this all goes back to a lifetime in which I was a ruler and I made a jolly mess of the experience getting everyone all riled up so that that had to attempt to assassinate me, but, I fooled them… I committed suicide… I got the last word or the last act of defiance but at a terrible price… the price was permanent ’childhood’… done through the millennia… oh, oh… I think this is about to change… woe is me!!! LOL!!!   :(
S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 9th, 2010 at 3:07pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 9th, 2010 at 12:35pm:
6/9/2010 - morning session:
Revised mix ~
Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:
So while in as deep a relaxation state as I could get I decided to use BM’s changing belief systems procedure… talk to the entity who is responsible for the barrier… and sure enough I encountered my inner child… (an archetype)… he does not want to die… he is responsible for keeping us alive… an obe to him equals death… or (growing up??)… growing up means a lost of a state… he don’t want that… but just the act of discovering he exists changed my inner state… things started to happen… but, as usual they happen just about the time Monroe says… and now I will count you back to c1.
O well, there is always another session.
S.


This is very interesting because it accounts for my life as an innocent bystander. I have always avoided responsibility. I liked being just a draftsman in a big organization where I could disappear, tho, I guess I had ability I produced just enough to get by and hated the idea of being a group leader… (I would have to grow up… my inner child don’t want to grow up)… this all goes back to a lifetime in which I was a ruler and I made a jolly mess of the experience getting everyone all riled up so that that had to attempt to assassinate me, but, I fooled them… I committed suicide… I got the last word or the last act of defiance but at a terrible price… the price was permanent ’childhood’… done through the millennia… oh, oh… I think this is about to change… woe is me!!! LOL!!!   :(
S.


The Interpreter continues to give up information on this… that mischievous inner child archetype has been around longer than that life time. That is the reason why I was such a frivolous ruler. I inherited the crown… I did not win the crown. Therefore I was a wide eyed five year old let loose in a candy shop… no wonder I created such havoc… unfortunately the interpreter has not given me the earlier or beginning of this archetypes ability to have power over my psyche. But, that suicide must have consolidated its power of control…  hummmmmm…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 10th, 2010 at 11:56am

Seraphis1 wrote on May 29th, 2010 at 7:04pm:
:-[quote author=5D6B7C6F7E66677D3F0E0 link=1268502700/281#281 date=1275029841]

5/29/2010 - Afternoon session:


Felt myself roll… fundamental energy body?? (Monroe says he learned to roll out of his body…) lavender light… female face comes in… my face itching like crazy… (this is a separation symptom… )… (I may have encountered an archetype) boy pan something like this youth http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images/bacchus3.jpg, but with donkey ears (possibly… I may have morphed then in through the Interpreters over exposure… )

This may be the new layer beginning to manifest.


S. 


I realized that back on 5/29/2010 I had seen my inner child archtype. It was at the bottom of all the demon’s… it cannot show itself because that is the beginning of its dissolution. Jung always said that once the unconscious/subconscious drivers are exposed to the conscious level the energy and power of it dissipates… but, this inner child had a lot of control and power… and now it is clear why I am so obsessed with the o.b.e… escape… this inner child sees it as another tool to escape responsibility. It is also why I/inner child is so intrigued by escape velocity and/or the possibility of being a Facilitator… this would be an ultimate tool of control of The Game… Do you want to play a game??? Yeah, yeah, yeah…!!! Says the inner child. It wants to play a game and never lose… !!!

Of course this is an impure motive and…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Jun 10th, 2010 at 6:02pm
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 90!

Well here it is… day 90! It’s a little melodramatic because I haven’t been following the program to a T the last few weeks. I’m also not going to be making any drastic adjustments now either; the 90 days has been an evolutionary process.

My practice has basically evolved into 2 meditation sessions: one in the morning, and the other in the evening. I avoid eating anything at least an hour before, as well as drinking anything other than water. I find a shower in the morning helps wake me up, otherwise I’m not awake enough yet and fall asleep too easily. I seem to get better results sitting up instead of lying down. I generally start off with some breathing exercises for relaxation, followed by some forms of energy work (body awareness). I then clear my mind with the use of a mantra, and may either stay with it or attempt an exit technique. If anyone wants more specifics feel free to ask me.

My sessions don’t seem to be as productive as they were a few weeks ago either, I think I’ve hit a bit of a dip… which is natural from what I’ve heard from other people who meditate regularly. The important thing is to meditate through the slump, taking a few days off as a break just makes things worse. I’ve found some free local meditation classes which is helping me stay inspired and motivated. I’ve also officially registered for the Gateway Voyage at TMI in August, which I’m super excited for.

While I haven’t had a full blown OBE yet, I’m not discouraged. In fact I now know that I have opened the door to a life-long spiritual practice for me that will only get better with time. Several of my core beliefs have been modified or rebuilt, and I feel like a different person from the inside. I also feel like I understand myself and my place “in the universe” a lot more, it’s like I’m more self-aware of my thoughts, feelings, and motivations. I opened myself up to my intuition, which I’ve never done before… and am starting to identify the information I get from it instead of ignoring it.

One new abnormal event that’s happened to me that hasn’t been mentioned yet is I’ve experienced the ability of parallel thinking. That is, I’ve actually been able to think two thoughts at once while in a meditative state. It basically happened by accident, since I was actually trying to clear my mind but had lost my grip on the mantra. The thing is, my mantra was still going and yet I was also perceiving/interpreting images in my mind’s eye. I then became self-aware of both my focus on the mantra as well as the interpretation of the images.. after a short while they both stopped as I broke both trains of thought.

As far as the actual OBE exit techniques, a problem with my process had been identified to me. The reason I wasn’t liking the exit techniques and why they seemed to pull me out of the meditative state was because I had associated the technique with my physical body. As I would focus on the technique, my awareness of my physical body would increase. So instead of going deeper “inward”, I was coming back “outward” to my body. I have to thank Selea for this. The solution to this appears to be focusing on visualization… associate the exit technique with a visualized body… not my own. Theoretically at some point I should be able to shift my point of consciousness into that imaginary thought-form by “feeling” for it. Wow.. that sounds vague to me even as I write it but at my current state of spiritual knowledge I believe it to be possible.

I also had a little bit of confusion with visualization because I thought it had to be in the 1st person.. but really 3rd person is ok and is actually more natural.

I’ll continue to post my progress and any major trials/events. My ultimate goal has changed into more than just having an OBE, it’s about evolving and understanding my consciousness as much as possible. The experiences I read about excite me to no end. Where this will go, I’m not sure yet. I’m playing with the idea of developing my psychic/intuitive powers to the point of being able to help others. I think that would be pretty cool.

Thanks for reading my posts and I give a special thanks to everyone that has provided feedback. It was of immense help to my progress.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 11th, 2010 at 8:42pm

msagansk wrote on Jun 10th, 2010 at 6:02pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 90!

Well here it is… day 90! It’s a little melodramatic because I haven’t been following the program to a T the last few weeks. I’m also not going to be making any drastic adjustments now either; the 90 days has been an evolutionary process.

My practice has basically evolved into 2 meditation sessions: one in the morning, and the other in the evening. I avoid eating anything at least an hour before, as well as drinking anything other than water. I find a shower in the morning helps wake me up, otherwise I’m not awake enough yet and fall asleep too easily. I seem to get better results sitting up instead of lying down. I generally start off with some breathing exercises for relaxation, followed by some forms of energy work (body awareness). I then clear my mind with the use of a mantra, and may either stay with it or attempt an exit technique. If anyone wants more specifics feel free to ask me.

My sessions don’t seem to be as productive as they were a few weeks ago either, I think I’ve hit a bit of a dip… which is natural from what I’ve heard from other people who meditate regularly. The important thing is to meditate through the slump, taking a few days off as a break just makes things worse. I’ve found some free local meditation classes which is helping me stay inspired and motivated. I’ve also officially registered for the Gateway Voyage at TMI in August, which I’m super excited for.

While I haven’t had a full blown OBE yet, I’m not discouraged. In fact I now know that I have opened the door to a life-long spiritual practice for me that will only get better with time. Several of my core beliefs have been modified or rebuilt, and I feel like a different person from the inside. I also feel like I understand myself and my place “in the universe” a lot more, it’s like I’m more self-aware of my thoughts, feelings, and motivations. I opened myself up to my intuition, which I’ve never done before… and am starting to identify the information I get from it instead of ignoring it.

One new abnormal event that’s happened to me that hasn’t been mentioned yet is I’ve experienced the ability of parallel thinking. That is, I’ve actually been able to think two thoughts at once while in a meditative state. It basically happened by accident, since I was actually trying to clear my mind but had lost my grip on the mantra. The thing is, my mantra was still going and yet I was also perceiving/interpreting images in my mind’s eye. I then became self-aware of both my focus on the mantra as well as the interpretation of the images.. after a short while they both stopped as I broke both trains of thought.

As far as the actual OBE exit techniques, a problem with my process had been identified to me. The reason I wasn’t liking the exit techniques and why they seemed to pull me out of the meditative state was because I had associated the technique with my physical body. As I would focus on the technique, my awareness of my physical body would increase. So instead of going deeper “inward”, I was coming back “outward” to my body. I have to thank Selea for this. The solution to this appears to be focusing on visualization… associate the exit technique with a visualized body… not my own. Theoretically at some point I should be able to shift my point of consciousness into that imaginary thought-form by “feeling” for it. Wow.. that sounds vague to me even as I write it but at my current state of spiritual knowledge I believe it to be possible.

I also had a little bit of confusion with visualization because I thought it had to be in the 1st person.. but really 3rd person is ok and is actually more natural.

I’ll continue to post my progress and any major trials/events. My ultimate goal has changed into more than just having an OBE, it’s about evolving and understanding my consciousness as much as possible. The experiences I read about excite me to no end. Where this will go, I’m not sure yet. I’m playing with the idea of developing my psychic/intuitive powers to the point of being able to help others. I think that would be pretty cool.

Thanks for reading my posts and I give a special thanks to everyone that has provided feedback. It was of immense help to my progress.


Hi M: Congradulations on finishing what you started. On the path that is a big thing. Because on the spiritual path it is largely finishing millinnia of cycles that is going to lead to spiritual freedom. Good luck on your next step in the journey.
S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 11th, 2010 at 11:17pm
6/11/2010 - evening session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Thanks to diaphragmatic breath I think I am in the perfect relaxed state of f10 body asleep… also, a surprise… a breath inside a breath… that was something… the Tibetans have very specific techniques of breathing which alters your consciousness state… unfortunately I don’t know any of the sequences but I think I just experience one of the effects of a specific sequence but, don’t know what I did… see men tall and their backs to me they stand in front of an ornate teardrop thrown (Thailand style ornamentation) the men wear a grey robe or tunic with black hoods and hold some kind of long pic or stave… red satin seat and overleaf… beauty… I am thinking…

My first strong session since exposing the inner child archetype.

Not sure what this means other than something new and more fulfilling and meaningful is about to come to pass…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 12th, 2010 at 7:16pm
6/12/2010 - afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Now that the inner child archetype has been neutralized, the sessions are very different. I am getting to f10 faster and the body asleep state is very profound… but I got a rush of energy to the frontal lobes… possibly the expanded energy body is beginning to activate… much of my etheric body has been dormant and needs to awaken I think… I was actually feeling what I think IS the automatic o.b.e reflex mechanism… it has a form and is cylindrical kind of like an automobile starter/solenoid switch

http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture100/smartgroup/product2.jpg

As I was becoming aware of it I got a sharp pain in my left eye at the inner portion near the bridge of my nose and a sharp pain in my right thumb

http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.uk/static/cs/uk/11/features/reflexology/handchart.html

Right at the pituitary designation location. Hopefully, this is the beginning of the awakening of my etheric body… it must have been dormant while in the control of the inner child, kind of atrophied or stagnant… now I get to feed energy into it and awaken it.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 13th, 2010 at 12:50pm
6/12/2010 - Update:

In the interest of full disclosure, I am posting this to attempt to have a complete clinical record.

p. 56 - AKG - symptoms associated with belief system crash:

Item 11: Finding yourself thinking about suicide


Well, this isn’t a belief system crash but an archetype dissolution which may be a parallel element of the ego structure.

Since I exposed the inner child archetype, I have had two minor anxiety attacks. Each in the morning at or near awaking from sleep. Both suggesting suicide. Now, I know my inner child archetype has used suicide to escape confronting overwhelming force… which would require rising to the higher consciousness level of ‘courage’ (which is the proper spiritually effective way to deal with existence)… but suicide allows the inner child archetype to exist on its own terms. Now, it is trying to exercise that power again because I have backed it into a corner and this is the only tool it has in its arsenal to survive.

I think all I have to do is ignore it and take the energy out of it by exposing its modus operandi into the conscious mind, like I am doing.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 13th, 2010 at 6:43pm
6/13/2010 - afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

The rtz-double was floating outside my body, but, attach Siamese twin style to the top of my head my poc refused to detach… and my physical frontal lobes and my rtz-double lobes were attached for the whole session.

Like this:

http://www.kidzworld.com/img/upload/article/21976/a3343i0_Siamese-185.jpg

Oh well, anyone know of a good surgeon.


S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 14th, 2010 at 8:54am
6/14/2010 - morning dream:

I am in a Macy’s parking lot with a tour holding my dog Tippy, the tour is over and I make my way to the street. I am looking to get to market street. After a time I get to a series of streets I am familiar with… I ask for directions and am pointed to a place to catch a bus to market street. I get the bus and fumble to pay  my fair and the dogs fair… I over pay but catch the error and am on the way to market street.

Significance is this normally in these maze dreams I awake in frustration because I never find what I am looking for… when in a tangle over money I always wake without resolving it. In this dream I resolve things.. (why I don’t awake in the dream to have a lucid dream I don’t know)… but as I was awakening I began to realize in real time that I AM IN A DEEP SLEEP OF WHICH I AM SLOWLY AWAKENING FROM…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 14th, 2010 at 5:56pm
6/14/2010 - afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Very productive session… it started with a flash of light… then in the left ear… a barking dog… my affirmation of ‘I am floating above my body’ brings a sound in my ears… a humm and ringing… and pressure… in my cranium… I am sure my rtz-double is floating there I can feel it but I don’t see it and I am not able to move my poc into it… then I saw the new archetype a handsome young man very white tho… maybe that is just the early formative stage… he is dressed in a Victorian upper class manner… he is only missing a top hat… he looks like this:

http://images.movie-gazette.com/gallery/albums/People/billy+crudup.jpg

I guess I just have to keep patiently working at this thing.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 15th, 2010 at 9:47am
6/15/2010 - morning dream:

On the horns of a dilemna

I may have been in an astral class:

I am being told I have special powers that cannot be used in gaming with earthlings… or I am successfully getting close to obtaining powers…

I know that I am close to being competent with obe. So I know it will be unethical to play poker and go about looking at the cards of other people. Monroe had Talo who seemed to like giving him straight flushes. I don’t know if Monroe continued to play poker, I heard he loved the game.

I have had dream power to pick horses. Do I now have to not play the horses which I like doing a lot, because this is a special power.

TMI has classes in using powers to play the stock market, they have Vegas junkets to use powers to play dice, even tho they are practicing and don’t attempt to break the bank… is it ethical???

Maybe this is just me… my guides are warning me personally…

I have always been provided for always will be and I don’t need more than daily sustenance… is this the price of spirituality… not having more than daily needs…???

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by identcat on Jun 15th, 2010 at 1:03pm
You ask if it is ethical to preceive the numbers/winning horse before you place the bet. Yes! There are so many variables that the "chances" of being 100% correct are infinate.  And, if it is meant to be that you have monitary gain, then so be it. You are meant to learn the lessons attached to wealth.
You will enjoy TMI when you to to Gateway. It is high energy, and you get to meet persons like yourself. I have only been twice: Gateway and Guidelines. I also attended one weekend that Lorie Monroe sponsered in Conneciticut and a day seminar that previous TMI's put on. Each time, you leave with wonderment in your mind and love in your heart. Have a wonderful journey!  Hugs-- Carol Ann

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 16th, 2010 at 11:13am
6/16/2010 - morning dream:

I am definitely in some kind of astral class… tho I seem to be the only one there….

I am being instructed on a communication device. It looks like a peanut… in cross-section it has an intricate maze of copper wiring or plating… it could be the pineal gland?? It sends and receives.. That is all I remember…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 16th, 2010 at 12:37pm
6/16/2010 - morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Strong session. Very journey man like state. Heart chakra beginning to develop strength in its flutter and sputter. Rise to light meditation level (MCPM)… see a striking woman… dressed in a tight fitting evening dress… light orange chiffon fabric… white erimine accents… full white hair… clearly an elderly woman of substance and social standing… she seems to be hosting a grand event..

Now a woman in a dark blue business outfit… with skirt… full brown hair… professional looking…

Lots of heart action… fundamental body shifts…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 16th, 2010 at 4:30pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 9:47am:
6/15/2010 - morning dream:

On the horns of a dilemna

I may have been in an astral class:

I am being told I have special powers that cannot be used in gaming with earthlings… or I am successfully getting close to obtaining powers…

I know that I am close to being competent with obe. So I know it will be unethical to play poker and go about looking at the cards of other people. Monroe had Talo who seemed to like giving him straight flushes. I don’t know if Monroe continued to play poker, I heard he loved the game.

I have had dream power to pick horses. Do I now have to not play the horses which I like doing a lot, because this is a special power.

TMI has classes in using powers to play the stock market, they have Vegas junkets to use powers to play dice, even tho they are practicing and don’t attempt to break the bank… is it ethical???

Maybe this is just me… my guides are warning me personally…

I have always been provided for always will be and I don’t need more than daily sustenance… is this the price of spirituality… not having more than daily needs…???

S.


6/16/2010

FYI

What this dream was telling me is this: Something mechanical was going to happen in my next racing attempt. I had a bet. I went on line and the whole betting system was down... no bets could be made. I watched the race and the horse I was going to be lost!!! So the internet failure save me money.

Interesting???!!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 17th, 2010 at 11:16am
6/17/2010 - morning dream:

I am climbing the stairs of an art academy (music… I sing but do not play instruments)… when I get to the top I am told I cannot join until I get accepted into a special group… I go back down the stairs trying to figure out well where is this group and how do I pay to join and get a card.

Someone comes up to me and says that girl has a pass she wants to unload. I go to her and ask for the price she says… two dollars… I open my wallet and there is a huge wad of dollar bills I buy the pass.

Well, this one resolved just before writing this post. I am listening to Carolyn Myss’ … series Energy Anatomy and I bought this pass for $30 used… I immediately had a meeting of the minds on the tribal demand for energy and how the tribe can determine how I make my decisions… instead of me making my own decisions from my spiritual need and motivation… knowing this I can now make beautiful music.

LOL!!

S.


Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2010 at 9:47am:
6/15/2010 - morning dream:

On the horns of a dilemna

I may have been in an astral class:

I am being told I have special powers that cannot be used in gaming with earthlings… or I am successfully getting close to obtaining powers…

I know that I am close to being competent with obe. So I know it will be unethical to play poker and go about looking at the cards of other people. Monroe had Talo who seemed to like giving him straight flushes. I don’t know if Monroe continued to play poker, I heard he loved the game.

I have had dream power to pick horses. Do I now have to not play the horses which I like doing a lot, because this is a special power.

TMI has classes in using powers to play the stock market, they have Vegas junkets to use powers to play dice, even tho they are practicing and don’t attempt to break the bank… is it ethical???

Maybe this is just me… my guides are warning me personally…

I have always been provided for always will be and I don’t need more than daily sustenance… is this the price of spirituality… not having more than daily needs…???

S.


This goes back to this bit of tribal power... I come from a long line of spiritual teaching that has a belief that gambling and using powers to gamble is a breach of and misuse of such power... well it can be if used in excess or to harm others... but, in moderation and or recreation this is not true.

"The greatest illusion of all is that mankind has limitations." Robert A. Monroe.

QED!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 17th, 2010 at 2:25pm
6/17/2010 - morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Two strong sessions in a row. Very journey man like state. F10 is well established, breathing finally consistently under control. This should be the right road.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Lucy on Jun 18th, 2010 at 12:34am
s.-

"The greatest illusion of all is that mankind has limitations." Robert A. Monroe.


Another version says:
With God, all things are possible.

This alwyas confounds me because it says "all things"  not "all good things"

Does that imply that the "bad" things that happen are done with God's power also? ALL things are posible.
No limitations on good or bad.

Do you have the wisdom to not be ruled by being able to out-game earthlings? Are you so powerful that you know how to un-do any damage that your Shiva-self creates?

I don't pretend to know the aanswers! These are just things I wonder about when faced with questions like yours.

I don't think it is a trivial exercise to wonder about the meaning of all things being possible with God. or what it means to let God un-do things.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 18th, 2010 at 9:41am

Lucy wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 12:34am:
s.-

"The greatest illusion of all is that mankind has limitations." Robert A. Monroe.


Another version says:
With God, all things are possible.

This alwyas confounds me because it says "all things"  not "all good things"

Does that imply that the "bad" things that happen are done with God's power also? ALL things are posible.
No limitations on good or bad.


Hi Lucy: It boils down to this. As Homo Sapiens who are becoming Homo Noeticus or Homo spiritus we begin to realize we don’t have limitations. Religions attempt to harness our baser impulses with straight jackets that attempt to prevent us from going over certain lines… for example how much wealth is enough wealth… greed caused homo sapiens to violate the rights of beings who are trapped in lower states of mind which prevent them from attracting abundance… so they create serfs or slaves… this is spiritually devastating to those who indulge in the practice.

So the safest way to control the individual is to implant a fear of greed or a fear of using powers. At some point we have to as individual spiritual beings throw off these limiting shackles and become aware that we have no limits… but we have moral and practical boundaries that we have to respect.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Jun 18th, 2010 at 5:11pm

Lucy wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 12:34am:
s.-

"The greatest illusion of all is that mankind has limitations." Robert A. Monroe.


Another version says:
With God, all things are possible.

This alwyas confounds me because it says "all things"  not "all good things"

Does that imply that the "bad" things that happen are done with God's power also? ALL things are posible.
No limitations on good or bad.

Do you have the wisdom to not be ruled by being able to out-game earthlings? Are you so powerful that you know how to un-do any damage that your Shiva-self creates?

I don't pretend to know the aanswers! These are just things I wonder about when faced with questions like yours.

I don't think it is a trivial exercise to wonder about the meaning of all things being possible with God. or what it means to let God un-do things.


Hi Lucy. I extremely recommend you check out the book "My Big Toe" by Tom Campbell. He talks at GREAT length about this. You can see a summary of his ideas as YouTube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/twcjr44#p/c/02D771DBE9A77441

He personally worked with Bob Monroe when designing Hemi-Sync etc.

In a nutshell though things which you may consider "bad" are part of the conscious evolution of "All That Is". The bad eventually self-destructs, while the good keeps improving itself.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Jun 18th, 2010 at 5:13pm
I've been sharpening my meditation with the help of some free classes and gaining a better conceptual understanding of the non-physical from the books I'm reading. It's all very exciting stuff to me right now, but progress is a little slower than I'd like!

The third book in Bruce Moen's series is so crazy, and it aligns well with Todd Campbell's "My Big Toe"... I'm getting a pretty big conceptual picture of reality. It feels intuitively true, but I want to experience it firsthand. I also recently read "Eat, Pray, Love" for fun, which gave me another perspective on my spiritual growth.

I swear I was extremely close to leaving my body yesterday.. I lost all feeling in my body... almost attaining a sort of "point consciousness". For whatever reason my eyes naturally opened (or was it astral sight? I couldn't tell), and all I could feel was warmth and energy. It was the deepest disconnection with my physical body I've felt thus far.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 18th, 2010 at 7:51pm

msagansk wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 5:13pm:
I've been sharpening my meditation with the help of some free classes and gaining a better conceptual understanding of the non-physical from the books I'm reading. It's all very exciting stuff to me right now, but progress is a little slower than I'd like!

The third book in Bruce Moen's series is so crazy, and it aligns well with Todd Campbell's "My Big Toe"... I'm getting a pretty big conceptual picture of reality. It feels intuitively true, but I want to experience it firsthand. I also recently read "Eat, Pray, Love" for fun, which gave me another perspective on my spiritual growth.

I swear I was extremely close to leaving my body yesterday.. I lost all feeling in my body... almost attaining a sort of "point consciousness". For whatever reason my eyes naturally opened (or was it astral sight? I couldn't tell), and all I could feel was warmth and energy. It was the deepest disconnection with my physical body I've felt thus far.


Hi M: This is kind of in the same universe:

6/18/2010 - session notes:

Power nap:

Love this power nap thing. In just a minute I got to f10... Then got the fundamental body jitter… and the heart chakra solenoid… brrrerr. Tried to let go but… the state… began to fade slowly.

Afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

This is the third strong session of getting into f10 smoothly… nice relaxation markers…  body parts releasing in sequence on their own… the less I do the better it works… just let the thing happen… then the solenoid brrer… wonder when this engine is going to kick over?? It’s going to be awesome when it does… wonder if it is a Mercedes Benz my favorite car the 450 slc… (I own a 1977 slc

http://classiccarsales.ie/files/cars/images/big/Mercedes_Benz_450_SLC_c9e78111e9a0d5a1ef6ec71c22b1fe60.jpg )…

The fundamental body flared into the expanded energy body momentarily… this is all happening in its own time… it is very important that I do nothing I think.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 19th, 2010 at 7:10pm
6/19/2010 - session notes:

Afternoon session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Now strong entry into f10 is routine. Large landscape scene… energy streaming under left leg… Lost awareness of body, felt only energy filling hands and feet… body jolt… felt no pressure to return… could have stayed in the state indefinitely… not sure how long this would have good on… this is a whole new level of relaxation and demonstrates the power of f10...

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:45pm
6/21/2010 - morning session:

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc; AKG disc 1: cut 6. Interpreter/preceiver; JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Guess I am getting more familiar with the f10 state. I always wondered what the exploration of the state was to entail… now, I think I know… getting into f10 is now very easy and it has more depths than one might imagine… but as you go deeper and explore… I note tho the body is very asleep the mind comes up closer to c1 and it doesn’t take much to come out of the state… I first entered a daydreaming of light meditative state in which I became aware of a very attractive brunette in a hot pink outfit, a manicurist she was working on someone but I did not see the client… the décor of the salon was very white… have no idea why or what this means… but exploration I think is moving through the chakras (that is for me it is… not sure about the M-field… was not aware of chatter which is associated with the m-field)… I’m not sure which chakra the manicurist is associated with… that work is or can be creative so… it might be the heart chakra expressing… I moved around in images… food so I did go down into the navel chakra…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:58pm
6/21/2010 Saboteur Archetype:

I playing checkers and made a very dumb mistake after being ahead a piece and the game ended in a tie instead of a win.

Suddenly, I realized I had a saboteur archetype… I applied the AKG - changing belief system technique:

I asked to talk to the entity who is responsible for making me make dumb mistakes in winning situations… I got a contact… it told me I am not allow to win because I was responsible for a terrible war centuries ago… and I can’t be trusted… as I was telling it to belay that order and to stop sabotaging my gaming skills… I began to feel anxious… what if all of sudden this entity left open the valves to a huge energy release… would I explode… would I go insane with this sudden energy surge in my brain… I was really scared… I began to attempt to repress energy releases… I know this is stupid… is there another part of the saboteur archetype which I did not include in the conversation and should have… what the hell!!! But, I did begin to rationalize… I seemed to have shouldered the full responsibility for that war… but, I now realize it takes two to tango… I was not even the ruler, who could have intervened… he did not have to support my misguided goals… there were a whole bunch of other entities who could have stopped the conflagration. I feel much better about that… and I got some release from the guilt and repression… but, forgiving all concerned is sop.. Asking for forgiveness… sop… recognizing there are no bad guys. Its all good. Peace my fellow beings. Peace be unto you all.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 10:02am
6/23/2010 - morning dream:

Lots of improvement.

I was attempting to find the right street. I got lost in a maze of rooms and walking against traffic a big rig came at me as I was pressed against a chain link fence… then I became lucid… I realized I don’t have to experience this…

...then I began to morph out of the dream and into the waking state with a lot of pressure in the Atlas/ Axis area of my neck… then I realized I was generating the dream out of the reptilian brain… the medulla oblongata… then I recalled this is an improvement… I have climbed the consciousness ladder and am operating out of the throat chakra where previously all of my dreams where generated out of the solar plexus chakra… I have climbed to higher centers of consciousness.

I also realize this is how the ‘real world’ illusion also works… life is an illusion a dream… I can wake up… and maybe this is the process of waking up out of the dream in which I don’t have to participate… if I choose not to participate in…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 12:52pm
6/23/2010 - Morning session:

Very productive session.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Again the deep of body asleep is wanting, but, how to change this is something I need to work on… I think I am not controlling my diaphram as I should the musculature of this organ apparently requires a lot of practice to get to function consistently… this is no different than an athlete training to be whatever… the whole unit reacts back and is undisciplined and the need is to get control of the whole organ not just parts of it.

JOOB - A: The instruction for this disc is to hold a single thought through out the duration of the disc. I choose to imagine leaving my body and walking around my room, getting back in after one circuit and continue doing this for the duration of the disc.

Lovely sunset seen on a lake or the ocean a single masted sail boat is at anchor… the colors are dark reddish…  direct head on image of Robert Redford… a aboriginal??!! Made of straw tapered rectangular shape on a wall with red circle eye holes and red trim… song starts:

Oh, how I hate to get up in the morning, Oh, how I hate to get up at all…. 


Not sure what this means as a whole but I seem to be sustaining a light meditative state (re: RM Phasing model)… the images don’t create a story and are randomly moving in and out to there subjects… but, the good news is I am staying IN the light meditative state.

I can only conclude this is good… the first exit is always the most sustained… after that it seems to trigger the ‘rm phasing model’ and I don’t seen to be sustaining the exit as images begin to come in and out as I attempt to continue traversing the room.

There is a grey greenish demon in my throat chakra… it appeared and stayed for a moment… it is rather ghastly… but, not frightening… and I have exposed him… so I suppose it will begin to dissolve as he is brought to the conscious mind as the others were dissolved.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 12:59pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 21st, 2010 at 2:58pm:
6/21/2010 Saboteur Archetype:

I playing checkers and made a very dumb mistake after being ahead a piece and the game ended in a tie instead of a win.

Suddenly, I realized I had a saboteur archetype… I applied the AKG - changing belief system technique:

I asked to talk to the entity who is responsible for making me make dumb mistakes in winning situations… I got a contact… it told me I am not allow to win because I was responsible for a terrible war centuries ago… and I can’t be trusted… as I was telling it to belay that order and to stop sabotaging my gaming skills… I began to feel anxious… what if all of sudden this entity left open the valves to a huge energy release… would I explode… would I go insane with this sudden energy surge in my brain… I was really scared… I began to attempt to repress energy releases… I know this is stupid… is there another part of the saboteur archetype which I did not include in the conversation and should have… what the hell!!! But, I did begin to rationalize… I seemed to have shouldered the full responsibility for that war… but, I now realize it takes two to tango… I was not even the ruler, who could have intervened… he did not have to support my misguided goals… there were a whole bunch of other entities who could have stopped the conflagration. I feel much better about that… and I got some release from the guilt and repression… but, forgiving all concerned is sop.. Asking for forgiveness… sop… recognizing there are no bad guys. Its all good. Peace my fellow beings. Peace be unto you all.

S.


Hummmm...! Immediately after exposing the Sabotuer I won six games in a row at the expert level... then all of a sudden I lost the seventh game after being two pieces ahead with a very dumb move... the little rascal is still lurking in the unconsciousness... I neglected to contact him again... I didn't think of it.

Oh well!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 3:53pm
Demon in the Throat Chakra:

This is a good time to do an overall assessment. The TMI programs seem to be a major success for me personally. I graduated from Guidelines in Oct ‘09. It was in Guidelines that two significant things happened. In The Tank I discovered a Dominatrix demon in my Heart Chakra and I was told by my guides to do Lifeline next and there I would encounter and neutralize a phantom. (This is the effect of my intuitive and substantive awareness of my guides more than direct conversations.)

Sure enough in my May ‘10 Lifeline I encountered, exposed and dissolved a major phantom presence that was there since my Roman incarnation… it was quite a relief and in Lifeline I had a Self-Realization event because of releasing that phantom’s influence.

Now, I discover there is a demon in my Throat chakra besides the two demons that were resolved in my solar plexus chakra… but those demons were a manipulation or the mask of my inner child archetype concealing himself as he controlled and manipulated one of my egonic projections in the physical plane.

Now, I suspect there is a demon in the Third Eye and the Crown chakra… this has to be or maybe I shouldn’t anticipate the future or what I will find and allow myself to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised as my personal Odyssey unfolds and continues apace.

This is an amazing journey.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 24th, 2010 at 1:36am

Seraphis1 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 3:53pm:
Demon in the Throat Chakra:

Now, I suspect there is a demon in the Third Eye and the Crown chakra… this has to be or maybe I shouldn’t anticipate the future or what I will find and allow myself to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised as my personal Odyssey unfolds and continues apace.

This is an amazing journey.

S.


I just realized there can’t be a demon in the crown chakra because it is the light chakra. But, there could be a demon in the third eye chakra  because of Matthew 4:

Matthew 4:

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

This is serious business because in the Biblical storyline, Jesus’ antecedents King Saul, King David and King Solomon all fell from Grace through greed, lust and inconstancy respectively.

Not all say:

Matthew 4:

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


It is possible in some distant past millennia I made a Faustian bargain. This is not impossible… it has take me a very long time to unplug from that circuit. I am just at the beginning of being able it tear up that contract. This is going to be very interesting to see how this all comes out. This is my movie.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 24th, 2010 at 12:54pm
6/24/2010 - Morning session:

I should be used to it by now but almost every session is different and it is puzzling.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: JOOB - A

Relaxation phase:

Did get off to a good relaxation phase or so I thought… but eventually the body asleep phased in… it could be I am too rested… but, I have yet to figure out how to get that power nap condition… either I am too tired or too awake… and only accidentally do I get into a natural borderland power nap state and that is the optimal condition.

JOOB - A: Able as usual to imagine leaving my body and walking around my room… always the first attempt is easiest then there is a wandering of consciousness which is amorphous and hard to manage… but, after a while all my energy went to the top of my head… and settle into an exit channel on the left side of my forehead which I have exited out of before… I think when I exit it will be out of my left frontal lobe… as I got into settling into the left lobe I began to get the vibrations in the legs… and I really thought this is it… but no banana.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 25th, 2010 at 7:12pm
6/25/2010 - Morning session:

Made a programming mistake and entered the relaxation disc instead of A disc.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc: This was the strongest session I think I ever had as too feeling and context control or duration. Something has changed. The heart chakra now has a mass… and it hangs suspended in the chest area… but not buzzing or making any alive sensations except around it the expanded energy body seem to be establishing itself as a unique and independent mass which I seem to be able to be a aware of back in Oct guidelines I feet the heart chakra project a buzzing pencil like mass and recently I felt the solenoid like mass… is this the unfoldment process at work… just as the Yogi’s describe the chakras unfold like a lotus flower from a bud to a full blossom… hummmmm….

Like this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/preview.canstockphoto.com/canstock0005578.png

Then I saw a young man from the shoulders up… shirtless… transparent and grayish… like clear plastic or cellophane he was thin and the left half of his face was like the inside of a watch showing its mechanical workings…

The session exuded power… its main characteristic…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 26th, 2010 at 6:45pm
6/26/2010 - Afternoon session:

I am keeping this program in place because it seems so productive.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc:

I don’t know how close one can get without exiting. But, I did recall the button exit and the Donovan exit… but shifting into that state as per BM… recall method did not happen… in the button exit I asked permission and it was granted… it the Donovan exit I was asleep and woke up exiting… I felt the solenoid flare and I got a body jolt so I was out… on the body jolt… the exit must be eminent.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Jean on Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:21pm
Pleeze do kept up the good work M & J!!!

Much appreciated, you're validating, I'm  confident, many of our explorations with just plain "dog"work.
:-* :'( :-X :-[ ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 27th, 2010 at 2:45am

Jean wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 11:21pm:
Pleeze do kept up the good work M & J!!!

Much appreciated, you're validating, I'm  confident, many of our explorations with just plain "dog"work.
:-* :'( :-X :-[ ;D ;D ;D


Thanks for the encouragement. It is grim, and frustrating, since I have accidentally exited and traveled and it seemed effortless... but, doing it with fully volition and control is another matter. LOL!!!

If I didn't know by experience that this is a really thing I probably would have given up a long time ago.

But if one is going to be a Facilitator you must do this consciously and under personal control and act of Will.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 27th, 2010 at 5:16pm
6/27/2010 - Power Nap:

The power nap state IS the borderland… using only my diaphragmatic breath technique which is now much more in hand… I can now center a breath cup in its center… no hemi-sync or disc… just freewheeling I got to the buzzing in the left lobe exit tube…. (by the way I think each lobe has an exit tube and that is the ‘devils horns’ … I suspect when they are fully developed they extend like horns on each side of the head… and someone saw this and freaked out and assigned a ‘devilish’ moniker to it out of ignorance and superstition. Also I suspect that the frontal lobes have a lot of developement potential and in the etheric body they fill out and thus when you see the egyptian headdress the material on the side IS the full developement of the etheric frontal lobe counterpart... 

http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/449px-tutmask-1.jpg

the snake coming out of the fore head is of course the a well developed pituitary gland... man all of the stuff was sadly lost in antiquity... and we are having an excrusiatingly difficult time recovering it. )… and then I got the throat chakra flash… so the throat chakra like Robert Bruce says can be involved with generating the rtz-double… the question is how do you induce the power nap state… this just happens and when I get the signal I get in my meditation recliner and do my thing…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jun 28th, 2010 at 1:06pm
6/28/2010 - morning session:

New development and as usual things go in directions I didn’t intend.

Revised mix ~

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc:


In the next phase of relaxation which seem to have no end of depth to which one might descend… I became aware of the whole room… then I thought is this astral sight… where you see 360 degrees?? But I found out when you focus on a specific object… you loose the 360 perception… so I guess the skill to develop is to focus and unfocus… now, I am thinking is this a variation on the perceiver/interpreter approach of BM?… but from an objective point of view as oppose to a subjective point of view…??

Now, I am getting a deeper understanding of what is meant by exploring a focus level… in this case I am (unintentionally) exploring f10.

There are all kinds of tantalizing blips of o.b.e. exiting but it is just on the edge of happening… teasing is all I can say about it… a coquette teasing a lover…

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Jean on Jun 28th, 2010 at 3:33pm
Seraphis1,

2 things you mentioned triggered my memory of coming out of the deepest part of a coma in '06 were that:

1. Upon realizing that I would be returning here C1 consciousness, in that loving sort teasing banter with another there . I suspect that it I was in 27. Refer to old posts or old news.

2. At that time I asked for a message. I received, "Reality is what you focus on". Since then I have used that as a sort of koan to reflect on. I realize that it could be applied not only to apply to my emotions regarding a situation or a belief system(s), but also possibly limiting the astral sight, which without the limitations of a body would be more normal to pinpoint C1 reality to be able to function in the body here.

Thanks for sharing this 6/28 morning session.

Jean

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 4th, 2010 at 7:03pm
7/4/2010 - morning session:

To all you Americans out there happy birthday!

Well, this is my second recovery from triple A surgery… I.e.. abdominal aortic aneurysm surgery… the first on Apr 29 placed two stints one in the left and one in the right aortic branch into the kidney… I used hemi-sync surgical support series in both… but no foreign objects are allowed into the operating room so I could not use the intra-op disc. In the first operation had severe swelling that lasted almost a month… and was pretty much out of it… this second jun 29 operation to revise the stint migration… was almost with noticeable physical affect… tho, I discovered something that I need to warn anyone about that is using diaphragmatic breathing… I heard the doctors talking about my heart beat being dangerously low (to them)… I had to stop using the technique because I didn’t want to try to explain to them by practice… and I am sure they would have used some kind of unnecessary drug to bring the rate up… so I allowed my heart rate to move to a more reasonable level for their satisfaction… that said I am a bit disappointed that I am not in a class with Joe Mcmonagle who always obe’s during surgery and watches the process… I also did not successfully get to ‘power nap’ stage which is odd since I was and should have been in borderland quite a lot… the drugs must really be inhibitors in my case.

I bought a new memory foam pad for my meditation recliner which is quite comfortable I hope not too comfortable.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Not much going on this first session… imaging was quite different and vivid tho which Is new for me… just like real life this may fade as I recover more to my healthy state of balance and fitness.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Jean on Jul 5th, 2010 at 1:39pm
Welcome back Seraphis1,

Only been 7 days for you--that's great!!!. Congratulations on keeping you head about you during the operation-sorry about no OBE. Wish more medical staff were aware of the hemi-sync and believed in the meditation techniques.

I did have some OBE activity during my lung operation and still am digesting the experience. The hardest part is that there is no one around to discuss it with although I did present as best I could on the board in '06.

I've found the hemi-sync tapes/cds helpful during MRIs and I'm sure it's allowed for spinal taps-both being situations where movement is not allowed or to prevent claustrophobic connected anxiety esp. with MRIs. Also found helpful just remembering RM's instructions from Gateway when tape not available and find that I can fairly easily duplicate that state of relaxation.

Relieved your back, I thought it was something I said ::) :D

Looking forward to your next installments.

Jean 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by betson on Jul 5th, 2010 at 2:23pm
Greetings Seraphis1,

Glad to hear you are successfully recuperating!

And thank you for that warning alert on diaphragmatic breathing!
Some pharmacies have a blood pressure monitor for public use that might come in handy to monitor heart rate for those of us retraining ourselves for that breathing.  Goodness, who knew it could go too far the other way!?

Bets

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 5th, 2010 at 8:30pm
7/5/2010 Closure:


Seraphis1 wrote on Jul 4th, 2010 at 7:03pm:
7/4/2010 - morning session:

Well, this is my second recovery from triple A surgery… I.e.. abdominal aortic aneurysm surgery… the first on Apr 29 placed two stints one in the left and one in the right aortic branch into the kidney… this second jun 29 operation to revise the stint migration… was almost with noticeable physical affect…

S.


Today I have closure on my NDE of 2007… it occurred as follows:



The Day My Universe Changed

On the morning of Jan 19, 2007 I nearly died. As I drifted away in sleep, I began to realize I was dying. It was very pleasant. My body tingled in a orgasmic afterglow. I was not afraid. I thought, yes, I am ready to die. I began to let go. A profound euphoria enveloped me. Suddenly my brother (deceased), Kristina a spiritual teacher (still alive), and others started working on me in a way I didn’t understand. It was not medical. This was not a hospital setting. I have no idea what they were doing. I was not a happy camper. “Leave me alone,” I thought.

A disembodied voice pleaded 'Please don't die!'


I now know that I was about to die or was dying “leaving my body”… on Jan 19, 2007… my death was going to be by the bursting of the aneurism… no doubt I was being worked on in an Astral hospital… but, I had a right to die… I was asked not to I complied… usually people die quietly in their sleep (to the outside world - to the dying one there seems to be a whole world of activity. ) from the ruptured aneurysm… they the astral doctors I could not see were repairing it… but, I was kept alive to find out something… which I found out today while riding to Victorville from Barstow… “I know the truth about the Universe”… I can’t go into it because everyone must make this discover on their own…

Is there more for me??? I don’t know.

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 5th, 2010 at 8:37pm

Jean wrote on Jul 5th, 2010 at 1:39pm:
Welcome back Seraphis1,

Only been 7 days for you--that's great!!!. Congratulations on keeping you head about you during the operation-sorry about no OBE. Wish more medical staff were aware of the hemi-sync and believed in the meditation techniques.

I did have some OBE activity during my lung operation and still am digesting the experience. The hardest part is that there is no one around to discuss it with although I did present as best I could on the board in '06.

I've found the hemi-sync tapes/cds helpful during MRIs and I'm sure it's allowed for spinal taps-both being situations where movement is not allowed or to prevent claustrophobic connected anxiety esp. with MRIs. Also found helpful just remembering RM's instructions from Gateway when tape not available and find that I can fairly easily duplicate that state of relaxation.

Relieved your back, I thought it was something I said ::) :D

Looking forward to your next installments.

Jean 


Hi Jean: Thanks for your concern and best wishes. As to the obe and drugs... if you took tmi gateway or guidelines there is a RM phasing model hand out showing the consciousness phasing... drugs and anesthesia falls between deep meditation and sleep... in my case I just wink out.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 7th, 2010 at 11:19am
7/7/2010

Silver lining:

Dream:

The whole sleep session I was soaring in focus 27... The etheric, cloud like focus 27 not the park… this song was constantly running in the event:

Look for a Silver lining, whenever clouds appear in the blue…

Interpretation:

There are some proprietary parts of the interpretation I cannot discuss… but, the basic interpretation is that I have reached the top of the healing curve of my recent surgery and am now past all complications therefrom and the process of getting back to normal is in motion… in another month I will be fit again and may operate at full capacity.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Jul 7th, 2010 at 12:11pm
Seraphis, I might have missed it, but can you explain all the materials you are using, I don't understand JOOB for example. Thanks! I am reading astral dynamics now and would read Bruce's AKG book if I could find it (recently moved). I started reading it before I moved, but it said don't go any further until you use the CD or make your own audio. Never got to the audio part, so I stopped, lol

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Jul 7th, 2010 at 1:20pm
Ok I figured out what JOOB means, but what is the disk set?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 7th, 2010 at 7:04pm

goobygirl wrote on Jul 7th, 2010 at 1:20pm:
Ok I figured out what JOOB means, but what is the disk set?


Hi Gooby: Hemi-sync Support for Journeys Out of the Body, a six disc home support series.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 7th, 2010 at 7:05pm
7/7/2010 - afternoon session:

Everything is quite different… there is a richness to the imaging that was not there before… this will be interesting to watch over the next month or so…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Heard a knocking… two knocks…. Left hand jolt… this time very different… like my hand was lifted then dropped… a voice… then session becomes amorphous… not talking because I want to observe for now… but… I lose the events and images…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 8th, 2010 at 8:38pm
7/8/2010 - afternoon session:

This was the best session in a long time and foreshadows an excellent foundation… which is what I wanted… I can obe thru deprevation… but, I want to do it in a more normal manner and I think I am moving in the right direction.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Saw a face from above… looking down… like the face on mars… marble Greco/roman columns…  this fundamental body move was very distinctive… some report being able to rotate the fb inside the physical body… this suggest that potential is becoming available… I distinctly got the right leg out of the body…. A number of body jolts….

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 10th, 2010 at 1:05am

goobygirl wrote on Jul 7th, 2010 at 12:11pm:
Seraphis, I might have missed it, but can you explain all the materials you are using, I don't understand JOOB for example. Thanks! I am reading astral dynamics now and would read Bruce's AKG book if I could find it (recently moved). I started reading it before I moved, but it said don't go any further until you use the CD or make your own audio. Never got to the audio part, so I stopped, lol


Hi Gooby: You may have figured this out already. I missed this post. I am using the AKG disc set to start disc 1 which has an excellent relaxation guide... it is very effective... especially in conjunction with diaphramatic breathing... so I mix and match the discs on a 5 disc cd changer... (they are rare on the market now with ipods and the like but I do have an extra one I'd like to sell if you are interested or anyone is interested.)... saves a lot of extra work... setting up.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 10th, 2010 at 1:20am
7/9/2010 - evening session:


Seraphis1 wrote on Jul 5th, 2010 at 8:30pm:
7/5/2010 Closure:


Seraphis1 wrote on Jul 4th, 2010 at 7:03pm:
7/4/2010 - morning session:

Well, this is my second recovery from triple A surgery… I.e.. abdominal aortic aneurysm surgery… the first on Apr 29 placed two stints one in the left and one in the right aortic branch into the kidney… this second jun 29 operation to revise the stint migration… was almost with noticeable physical affect…


[quote author=1D2B3C2F3E26273D7F4E0 link=1268502700/356#356 date=1278515952]7/7/2010

Silver lining:

Dream:

The whole sleep session I was soaring in focus 27... The etheric, cloud like focus 27 not the park… this song was constantly running in the event:

Look for a Silver lining, whenever clouds appear in the blue…

Interpretation:

There are some proprietary parts of the interpretation I cannot discuss… but, the basic interpretation is that I have reached the top of the healing curve of my recent surgery and am now past all complications therefrom and the process of getting back to normal is in motion… in another month I will be fit again and may operate at full capacity.

S.


It seems the f27 experience was a precursor… it told me the healing had taken place…. Now I know it was a healing on the astral… it took two days to manifest in the physical plane…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Got in easily and to F10.

JOOB relaxation disc:

This session got me very deep but didn’t take off until about five minutes to the EOS when I got a real feeling of wellbeing… as I was walking to the reception area of my residence at about 2100 hrs… I felt well and my post operative depression which I had been feeling for quite a while now and interfering with my session work… has now lifted… I feel confident in saying that as of that time the whole healing process is complete.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 11th, 2010 at 6:53pm
7/11/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Itch left clavical midway… image of a lush wood… stained wood stand alone arch… Victorian woman… in beige chiffon frilly dress with large taco shell royal blue hat cocked left side of head filled with flowers…

Going into f10 now noting muscle groups letting go or releasing…

JOOB relaxation disc:

Phased… (I have been watching The Crown Prince…. I could be digesting the movie…) I am now dressed in a tight fitting power blue unform high collar jacket (austro/Hungarian style… ) dancing with a woman to a waltz… don’t know the name…  am aware of a great mushroon bubble growing out of the left side of my cerebral cortex in which all of this is taking place… I am in a mind split… aware of a light meditative state and my body at the same time… the perceiver seems intergrated with the interpreter as a knowing of what is takeing place… at the same time I am postulating my intention to rise out of my body and hover but, not aware of a shift or floating I have no discernable poc… EOD

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:03pm
7/14/2010 - afternoon session:

The operation definitely set me back in my ability to separate… the triple A procedure cuts a lot of nerves in the groin area… this is between the root chakra and the navel chakra… thus there may be some serious blockages developed in the sympathetic relationship between the physical body and the etheric body… but this session was the beginning of a breakthru.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

In all the sessions I seem to be able to get into f10 easily enough… but imaging and fundamental body sensations were lacking until today… the faces were always there… that is how this session started…

I am consciously relaxing muscle groups starting from the head  moving to the toes… felt a nerve pulsing in the bend of the arm right side…

JOOB relaxation disc:

Nice fundamental energy body shiver… baby face… cartoonish black eyes black hair molded… (child archetype??)… fundamental body rocked… pressure in the forehead (third eye area)…

I think I am back on track finally.

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 16th, 2010 at 12:34pm
7/16/2010 - afternoon session:

Sometning very different is happening. Another level of relaxation is developing and it seems to kick in at the near the end of the session… I have no idea where it is going or what it will develop into… much of the imaging seems to be halted… dream sessions are active but, I don’t remember them… not sure what is going on.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily in f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

The quite before the storm???

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 17th, 2010 at 1:01pm
7/17/2010 - morning session:

Looks like I am developing another exit point… the solar plexus chakra… lots of activity in this area in this session.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily in f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

It takes most of the session time at this point for the full body relaxation phase to develop… when it does the fundamental energy body seems to differentiate… I think I am beginning to see what Robert Bruce is on about when he says the exit involves three chakras… the heart (which I am developing or rather unfolding gradually, the throat (my biggest problem because of karmic issues) and the solar plexus chakra… this in now beginning to kick in… the surgery may have set me back a bit… but I effectively neutralized two maybe three demons forces which lived in or controlled the solar plexus and now the area has to heal and regenerate in a positive manner. All in all things are going well I think.

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 19th, 2010 at 7:02pm
7/19/2010 - afternoon session:

Today’s sessions begin with a dream:

I am looking to make contact with someone important to me. (female??) I am being prevented by an organized entity… (catholic church like??)…

Interpretation: I am attempting to make contact with my higher self… some religious belief system from my past is a barrier because it is not a correct belief… I don’t know what that belief is… I should use the Moen technique to find out and change it… I haven’t done it as yet.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily in f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

Front left lobe activates… sensation radiates to big toe right foot… (pineal/pituitary area??? - reflexology) I feel light and possibly floating but I am still inside my body (I think) (could this be a form of phasing) the experience is rich and dynamic… full of detail that would take volumes to describe… royal blue stripe or strip vertical on right side…

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 21st, 2010 at 1:28pm
7/21/2010 - Power Nap

This was an interesting phenomena first for me… while attempting to get a power nap I did my normal diaphragmatic breathing technique and all of a sudden I got a feeling of descending… and I arrive at f10 and kind of had a soft landing… be interesting if this happens again… so many sensations and events are one time occurrences because of the stochastic nature of the non-physical world.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 21st, 2010 at 6:41pm
7/21/2010 - afternoon session:

Today’s sessions begin with a dream:


Another religious dream… this time I am a landscaper… I lay down a lawn and garden around a church but I stop it in a border around the church… I seem to wonder why I don’t include the church in the landscape plan.


I have no interpretation for this… I am stumped.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Experience the elevator phenomena again to f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

I am in a lavender lilac flowered garden… no odor… toward the end of the session my sense of body changes and I get the impression I am creating a new kind of body… I am feeling the vibrations starting but they do not get intense… I am able to move them some what (as per JOOB)… from my head to my feet and back but they fade.

I never encountered anything like this in the literature so I have no idea where this is going…. Bruce Moen doesn’t describe anything like this tho, it may have happened and he didn't recognize it as something distinct and notable… Robert Bruce hasn’t either… only Robert Monroe intimated it in JOOB but didn’t go into it as something to be aware of or look for… I wonder what is going on???!!!!

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 22nd, 2010 at 5:13pm
7/22/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

Electric shock thumb, index and middle finger tip area. Very surprising. (Reflexology: brain, head and sinus… respectively)… sudden obe… I was aware of the medicine cabinet at the far end of the room… back to being aware of my body just as suddenly… see a soldier???… royal blue jacket, scarlet red pants he is bending over doing something… facing left… seen from the right… the new body state begins to kick in… think must be 10 minutes left on the disc…

EOD

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 1:09pm
7/23/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

Electric shock fourth toe, middle toe, index toe left foot. Very surprising. (Reflexology: brain and head  respectively)… this is the second session I got the shocks at the beginning… I guess my brain is beginning to wake up… I was quite surprised by a series of what looked like floor plans… (circuit diagrams???) biblically prophets were given temple plans to build which were in reality the brains rooms for spiritual unfoldment…. I wonder… ???!!! I got no instruction… but as usual about five to ten minutes to the end of the disc… I got the new body sensations… this time with vibrations beginning or attempting to ignite… I realized what is happening is I am now sensitive to the hemi-sync program that is interspersed through out the disc (stated in the instructions ) … I just never noticed the effect until now… this is big progress… the fundamental body moved several times…

EOD

S.





Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 23rd, 2010 at 7:01pm
7/23/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

Body twist… o.b.e… electric shot left nostril… olive drab can opener floating in front of me… new body coming into formation earlier… face favoring nicholaa cage looking in my direction over my right shoulder… decide to imagine floating above my body… mind throwing things at me everything but what I am imagining… some belief system still preventing the exit… but I am holding the image and relaxing into the float…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 24th, 2010 at 11:16am
7/24/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

No elevator to slow to relax not sure I got to f10 in first disc...

JOOB relaxation disc:

At the end of the affirmation the elevator kicked in… now in f10... New body began earlier… sustained to the end of the disc.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:28pm
7/24/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

Suddenly became aware I was light or ready to float… decided to attempt an exit… a demonic Yul Brenner head appear with intense electric eye… a wave of energy rippled through my body I aborted the exit… (this is all head exiting attempts)… I regrouped and tried again when I got the light feeling… I was about to exit this time a Jay Leno head appear with intense black eyes that grew to two black holes… I thought I saw star fields in them… could I be looking out into space… the rest of the session was attempts to get back the lightness…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 25th, 2010 at 5:49pm
7/25/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Breathed a ball of air. (When you get the diaphragmatic breath right interesting things happen… ) body numbness… f10.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Bright orange blue blurr… very near an exit… I guess I am going to have to use the get up and stay up method… because it is effective and works… and because I don’t sleep thru anyway because of the need to pee… but going back to sleep is just counter productive since the sleep deprivation thing really does work to get obe’s… oh well…


S. 7/24/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10...

JOOB relaxation disc:

Suddenly became aware I was light or ready to float… decided to attempt an exit… a demonic Yul Brenner head appear with intense electric eye… a wave of energy rippled through my body I aborted the exit… (this is all head exiting attempts)… I regrouped and tried again when I got the light feeling… I was about to exit this time a Jay Leno head appear with intense black eyes that grew to two black holes… I thought I saw star fields in them… could I be looking out into space… the rest of the session was attempts to get back the lightness…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by spooky2 on Jul 25th, 2010 at 6:51pm
Quote Seraphis:
"and because I don’t sleep thru anyway because of the need to pee… "

Forum Member OobDude recommended the sleep-break method. You sleep some hours (six or so), then for about an hour, you medite, stating affirmations that you'll have an oobe, and then go back to bed again, with the intention to have an oobe.

Spooky

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 26th, 2010 at 9:36pm

spooky2 wrote on Jul 25th, 2010 at 6:51pm:
Quote Seraphis:
"and because I don’t sleep thru anyway because of the need to pee… "

Forum Member OobDude recommended the sleep-break method. You sleep some hours (six or so), then for about an hour, you medite, stating affirmations that you'll have an oobe, and then go back to bed again, with the intention to have an oobe.

Spooky


Hi spooky: I have used the method successfully in conjunction with fasting but I find it very painful physically... so I am avoiding the techique and trying to get what I consider normal exits without all the pain... like Muldoon... I am going to Bulman's TMI seminar in sept so we will see what happens... but the sleep deprivation thing works... and that is my last resort... but, for now interesting things are happening... I resolved to stay up after the pee signal... bath and then session... guess what my inner psychopath didn't allow a pee signal this morning and I slept through... go figure...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 26th, 2010 at 9:37pm
7/26/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Going into f10... Don’t quite make it.  Until JOOB starts…

JOOB relaxation disc:

Now in f10... Looking into a space… living room a garden… pain along left side of my left foot… (reflexology: arm, elboe, knee, leg… no idea what this means…) entered the alternate body state… as I got into it and got familiar with the state I realized I could stay in the state indefinitely, none of the usual pressure to be somewhere else or do something else… must be the state fakirs get into when they do feats like being buried alive and the like… interesting… 

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 28th, 2010 at 6:58pm
7/28/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

No second body phenomena.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Now the second body manifests arms feel like they are floating (is this second body the Robert Bruce - fundamental body??)… the problem is I don’t seem to be able to move my arms separate from the physical arms… (salt cube reports being able to move around within the physical body… I am in the very early stages of the separation… could be I need more time in this state for it to become individualized… we will see what happens… I have kept an amazing record of the evolution of this phenomena… and it will be very interesting to go back to the beginning eventually and follow the gradual development of the etheric body… if that is what is happening…) flash of light in my left frontal lobe… itch left nose flare… Travolta looking man appears looking intently at me… this time it’s full form… EOD

The session went very fast… I was not aware of time or duration… just all of a sudden I was hearing Monroe guiding me out of the session… this is also new…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 29th, 2010 at 4:01pm
7/29/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation phase has changed again, tho, I am relaxing in this disc cut… it is not as deep anymore… which is odd… shouldn’t I be getting deeper instead of just passably relaxed… but, it could be just the human condition… if my mood is right I get deep quickly… if my mood is not right I don’t.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Fundamental body shift… long corridor… trellis like windows… oriental style probably Japanese… I seem to have entered a ceremony or mass… must be Shinto… purple pulsing light… looking into a purple world… mild vibrations bring coming in signals end of session is near…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Jul 31st, 2010 at 6:44pm
7/31/2010 - afternoon session:

Very productive session.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxing more uniformly but, very different from earlier efforts…

JOOB relaxation disc:

Flash of light… walking in a meadow… open plane… massive rock formation on the right… or is it a monolith… lot of image shifting… drawing room scene… gold leaf… Louie the Ivth style… (recently watched a Napoleon doc… could be processing it… ) Notre Dame flying buttresses…  o.b.e… I am seeing the back of my head and the recliner… now vibrations… fundamental body shifting… go into imagining floating above body… walked in room but difficult staying in the rtz…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:20pm
I'm starting the 90 day MAP soon...

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 7:31pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 1st, 2010 at 6:20pm:
I'm starting the 90 day MAP soon...


Hi Gooby: Good for you. Will you post regularly day by day? This will be full to follow.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 7:32pm
8/3/2010 - afternoon session:

Break through session.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

F10 very easily attained full bodied relaxation sequence… directly into relaxation without a lot of prompting… twilight mountain (blue, royal blue) landscape horizon scene…

JOOB relaxation disc:

Man looking at scene hatless… rather unkempt dark sandy haired full… All my work is starting to payoff… I have been trying to avoid draconian obe techniques of excessive fasting and sleep deprevation and the like… for a more control and healthy comfortable approach… and I seem to be very close to the goal… I seem to float above my body as I stated my intention to ‘… be lighter than a feather and float…’ I am still not outside because I know what that feels like, but… the fact that I am responding to the intention statement in a firm manner is very encouraging… this was a great session…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 9:10pm
Yep, I'll post but I'm going to start my own thread. I'm thinking next week sometime...need to get some things organized right now and put my attention on it.

I also located the JOOB materials and also listening to William Buhlman CD about past lives and the like.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 9:23pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 3rd, 2010 at 9:10pm:
Yep, I'll post but I'm going to start my own thread. I'm thinking next week sometime...need to get some things organized right now and put my attention on it.

I also located the JOOB materials and also listening to William Buhlman CD about past lives and the like.


Hi Gooby: Can you attend the bulman seminar at tmi in sept 25 to 28!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 4th, 2010 at 1:46pm
Yep, as soon as anyone wants to sponsor me, lol....

I've been reading his website, and I like some of his ideas....

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 5th, 2010 at 8:01pm
8/5/2010 - afternoon session:

I think I satified the conditions of relaxation disc and it is time to move on.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: relaxation disc.

Relaxation phase:

I am now relaxing in a whole body manner. Pain in heel of left hand under the little finger. Easily into f10 state.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Think I have reach f15... No time… I am completely out of the time pressure loop… time does not exist… fundamental body shift several times… heart chakra generating… aware of electric blue… some square cubist forms in royal blue… third eye window opens and I see forms generating… (I know that at this point the hemi-sync signals are operating and I am near the end of the session… )

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 5th, 2010 at 11:49pm
Seraphis,

Re moving on, what is your next step?

Goobygirl

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 6th, 2010 at 2:04am

goobygirl wrote on Aug 5th, 2010 at 11:49pm:
Seraphis,

Re moving on, what is your next step?

Goobygirl


Hi Gooby: akg disc 1, joob condition "A". I stayed with the Relaxation disc because it was very productive... now it seems I can get into a whole body relaxation state without individualizing each part or various parts of the body... like scalp, eye muscles etc... now my whole body goes into a relaxed state as a whole... so that seems to be the goal of the relaxation disc... it has only one hemi-sync sequence at the end. Condition A has three hemi-sync sequences at 20 minute intervals... but for this to be effective... you have to be able to focus on one idea completely without distraction... when I went into no time... I was able to have a single focus...

Lets see what happens.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 7th, 2010 at 6:08pm
8/7/2010 - afternoon session:

This was the strangest start up ever. The last three sessions (not reported) were aborted for various reasons and this is the first session I actually finished without incident. This of course is psychological… but, I have no clue why my subconscious would want to stop my progress.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition A.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10 state.

JOOB relaxation disc:

Purple light pulsing strongly. Feeling very light… like I am ready to float… lush garden landscape… rather stout bearded man straw hat… with light blue denim shirt and royal blue denim trousers… seated in a reclining tractor?? Heavy pressure in the chest area…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 8th, 2010 at 10:20am
8/8/2010 - morning session:

Hit a major scarring and energy blocking issue

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition A.

Relaxation phase:

Nerve stings right toe… (reflexology - head) … index toe, middle toe… changes to pulsing… localizes on big toe…   

JOOB relaxation disc:

Man in black suit… head like Frankenstein (boris karlof) pale sickly green… looking down a street with lots of lights las vegas (like)… cityscape from above… sin city??? Innocent child face… right toe continues to nerve pulse… tension in diaphragm… head, male, … home improvement star (??)… attractive female… halle berry look holding a child… standing in a spacious living room looking left… through glass pane wall on two side at right angles… I seem to be a tall, attractive picturesque woman… nerve pain continues right big toe… (this is unusual most of the time the pain is short lived… this is chronic and continuous…) pressure left frontal lobe… extends back into the body of the neocortex… (I realize this is the area of an old cranial scar… I had a serious head injury in that location… now, I know what this is all about… the scarring reaches into the etheric counterpart… the Frankenstein symbolism suggests that I now need to deal with that scarring and dissolve the trauma on an astral level… this must have been much more karmic ally serious than just a physical accident trauma… ) image George Washington head right side… the word Europeans… in cafeteria people eating… images in the left lobe, pressure in left lobe… left eye ball pulsing pain… left ear drains and very irritating I guess I will break session to clean the ear out of fluids…

Aborted session…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 8th, 2010 at 11:16pm
Seraphis,

You have the most vivid meditations! It sounds like a carnival ride!

The only time my meditations are rapid fire and very visual are when I'm really tired. Then I see all this stuff that morphs from one thing to another....and it's very vivid, like I'm watching a movie screen. Other than that, I'm so far a pretty non-visual person so far, just some lights that remind me of a lighthouse with different colors flickering by and sometimes tunnels that I'm not yet able to finish entering.

The hearing in my meditations is great (I hear crickets, birds, and water.  As I drift to sleep, I hear lots of voices talking and laughing, with music, it sounds like a tv is on in the other room).

But you take the cake on the "strange" sights...lol


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by betson on Aug 8th, 2010 at 11:23pm
You bring up an interesting point, goobygirl.

Even if we were all to have the same goals and resulting experiences for our explorations, we would get differing images to interpret. But they would all have in common the same goals.  Sort of as if one film script had been separately interpreted by say Ken Burns (historic photos), Walt Disney (animated characters), and uhh, say Picasso  :D
Not randomly different but tailored for our individual needs.

It's all amazing, and it all opens up further and further explorations!

Bets :)

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 8th, 2010 at 11:51pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 8th, 2010 at 11:16pm:
The only time my meditations are rapid fire and very visual are when I'm really tired. Then I see all this stuff that morphs from one thing to another....and it's very vivid, like I'm watching a movie screen. Other than that, I'm so far a pretty non-visual person so far, just some lights that remind me of a lighthouse with different colors flickering by and sometimes tunnels that I'm not yet able to finish entering.

The hearing in my meditations is great (I hear crickets, birds, and water.  As I drift to sleep, I hear lots of voices talking and laughing, with music, it sounds like a tv is on in the other room).

But you take the cake on the "strange" sights...lol


Hi Gooby: Well, when you get to the joob series you should do interesting things... sleep and tired is near the borderland state which is the jump off point to going o.b.e.

Determination and perservance is all it takes I think. With some attention to the stages... I have just crossed over another barrier... I wasn't aware my head injury created such a major energy block... I just got to another level of conscious depth that it is now a problem which needs to be work through and de-constructed... but I guess it happens on its own as you work hard at the craft... look for those blockages.. gooby... and persist.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 9th, 2010 at 12:28pm
Ok,  well I am restarting the Gateway series, as I jumped around a bit on that (I did almost all of them, but randomly).

I started JOOB a few weeks ago with the relaxation track and condition A.

The main issue I have is that it is hard for me to do meditation during the day.  Lots of noises to deal with and right now, heat (no AC).

When I meditate at night, because I don't go to bed until I'm exhausted (or I won't sleep at all) I tend to fall to sleep during the tracks. That's why I like Bulhman's lucid dreaming tracks, cuz I know it's ok to go to sleep, lol

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 9th, 2010 at 3:34pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 12:28pm:
Ok,  well I am restarting the Gateway series, as I jumped around a bit on that (I did almost all of them, but randomly).

I started JOOB a few weeks ago with the relaxation track and condition A.

The main issue I have is that it is hard for me to do meditation during the day.  Lots of noises to deal with and right now, heat (no AC).

When I meditate at night, because I don't go to bed until I'm exhausted (or I won't sleep at all) I tend to fall to sleep during the tracks. That's why I like Bulhman's lucid dreaming tracks, cuz I know it's ok to go to sleep, lol


Hi Googy: Are you using a diaphramatic breathing technique?

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 9th, 2010 at 7:03pm
8/9/2010 - morning session:

This is quite an interesting session. One moment I was laying down the next it was over. No time.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition A.

Relaxation phase:

Easily into f10

JOOB relaxation disc:

Very hard to describe, I seem not to have a body. But, I know I am not obe. The stillness and vibrations in the calves and feet… feeling very light and floating… but floating inside my body…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 9th, 2010 at 11:18pm
Yes re breathing, this is how I breathe most of the time anyhow from years of playing a woodwind instrument.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 10th, 2010 at 7:25pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 9th, 2010 at 11:18pm:
Yes re breathing, this is how I breathe most of the time anyhow from years of playing a woodwind instrument.


What kind of control do you have of the diaphram can you make a suction pocket in its center... ?

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 10th, 2010 at 7:25pm
8/10/2010 - afternoon session:

Powerful session

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition A.

Relaxation phase:

f10

JOOB relaxation disc:

Tall lean man in khaki uniform… (flyer)… aquiline face… straight black hair upper right view frame… looking just toward my left shoulder… right arm resting on ???… head mid frame rightist side… fareed zacharia look… mustachio’d man Mexican… straw cowboy hat… white halter t-shirt… in left view frame looking toward right shoulder… I’m into my skull… loosing body awareness… hole developes in space… vibrations… in feet… eyes… hands… pressure
frontal lobes…
( http://www.wiredtowinthemovie.com/images/hotspots/level04frontalLobe.jpg )
pituitary… ( http://wortix.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/pituitary_gland.gif?w=276&h=252
hippocampus…
( http://www.memorylossonline.com/glossary/images/hippocampus.jpg )
corpus collosum ( http://www.bobschuster.com/images/inserts/Insert13.jpg … )


S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 10th, 2010 at 9:30pm
RE suction cup in diaphragm, sounds like this would be a great beer holder, lol.

I don't know if I can do that or not, should I try? How and why?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 10th, 2010 at 9:45pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 9:30pm:
RE suction cup in diaphragm, sounds like this would be a great beer holder, lol.

I don't know if I can do that or not, should I try? How and why?


Hi Gooby girl: Try to get a copy of Alvin Schwartz' An Unlikely Prophet. Everything he and Everett Nelson experiences in that book is based on breath control... the breath is the river of life if you can control and flow with it it can give you experiences you never dreamed of... isolating and controling the diaphram disconnects you from all your body parts when you can control it... as you try other parts of the body attempt to work in sympathy... something like a muscle builder trick which they can move only the pectoral muscles... it takes a lot of discipline and body awareness but it is worth it... the diaphram is the connected to the solar plexus chakra... and that is probably part of the reason it works the way it does.

First see if you can move only your thumbs outward when you place them in your sides just above the sacral bones and under the rib cage. Practice that until only your thumbs move... then become conscious of the diaphram at its center and using only those muscles attempt to breath...

On the gateway discs monroe attempts to use a simple breathing technique I guess hoping some will stumble into the etheric function of the breath... he never seemed to need to develope it further than that as the Tibetans did.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:32pm
I could try, but it sounds like a lot of work....  :P

If no progress is made on my current tack, I will consider adding it. BTW my meditation teacher advocates not bothering with chakras and breathing, but focusing concentration on the 3d eye and on the Sound Current while repeating simran (like a mantra, but names of God at the different planes of existence).

Soooo, I'm kinda on a different route right now, but I also like using the hemi-sync, especially the buhlman tracks now for lucid dreaming. My dreams are getting a bit wild now it seems.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Pat E. on Aug 11th, 2010 at 1:13am
Hi GoobyGirl,

What's the title of the Buhlman CD or CD set you are using?  I'm not familiar with his work but it sounds worth exploring.  I'd appreciate your recommendations for doing so.

Pat

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:04am

goobygirl wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:32pm:
I could try, but it sounds like a lot of work....  :P

If no progress is made on my current tack, I will consider adding it. BTW my meditation teacher advocates not bothering with chakras and breathing, but focusing concentration on the 3d eye and on the Sound Current while repeating simran (like a mantra, but names of God at the different planes of existence).

Soooo, I'm kinda on a different route right now, but I also like using the hemi-sync, especially the buhlman tracks now for lucid dreaming. My dreams are getting a bit wild now it seems.


Hi gooby: To each his own. The path is Stocastic so just about anything works... some are more fun.. a guru told a student all he had to do was repeat the mantra: Who am I? over and over... it took most of his lifetime but he seems to have found out.

:)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 11th, 2010 at 10:00am

goobygirl wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 11:32pm:
I could try, but it sounds like a lot of work....  :P

If no progress is made on my current tack, I will consider adding it. BTW my meditation teacher advocates not bothering with chakras and breathing, but focusing concentration on the 3d eye and on the Sound Current while repeating simran (like a mantra, but names of God at the different planes of existence).

Soooo, I'm kinda on a different route right now, but I also like using the hemi-sync, especially the buhlman tracks now for lucid dreaming. My dreams are getting a bit wild now it seems.


A guru ask a devoted chela to go to a certain city to get an item. The chela dutifully ventured forth to get the item. The chela came to a river which was to deep to walk across, the current was too strong to swim across so he sat in meditation for 20 years learning to walk on water... when he returned to the guru with the item... the guru looked at him and said, 'Did you know that another half mile down river there is a bridge?'

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:52am
Seraphis,

I'm open to all kinds of ideas and different ways, that's why I mix up my meditation. I like your parables, lol. However, I do have a commitment, in my mind, to continue on with my meditation "as prescribed," ha ha, as this Sound Current technique is, after playing with all the other ones, the only one that got me meditating in the first place. So I'm primarily focusing on that technique and adding in the Hemi-Sync here and there.

Pat - the tracks I'm using are Steven LaBerge - Lucid Dreaming (I got the book with the CD in the back of the book from the Library) and Hemi-Sync Lucid Dreaming (Sorry it's not Buhlman like I thought) and Buhlman's Exploring your Past Lives.

http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Your-Lives-William-Buhlman/dp/1585890111

Here's a link to the HS Lucid Dreaming:

http://www.3pounduniverse.com/Lucid_Dreaming_Program_p/ld005.htm

Goobygirl

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 13th, 2010 at 12:48pm
8/13/2010 - afternoon session:

I fulfilled the conditions of condition A and will now move on to condition B

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition A.

Relaxation phase:

f10

JOOB relaxation disc:

Held a single thought as required for the whole disc.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 14th, 2010 at 11:38am
8/14/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition A.

Relaxation phase:

f10

JOOB condition B:

In condition A one holds a single thought. In condition B one attempts to have no thoughts but looks into the blackness. So I thought there would be nothing to report. But, there actually is something that happens.

The Blackness I suspect is the phenomena BM reports in his work AKG. Another parallel to BM is the fact that one has to learn to shut down the Perceiver and Interpreter to stop thinking.

The next thing is that as you become able to do the above the vibrations start to come in… so it is possible to obe in condition B… if you get it right.

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 14th, 2010 at 7:27pm
8/14/2010 - 2nd afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

f10

JOOB condition B:

I have to admit of all the exercises I’ve done to date this one I am beginning to really enjoy… I wonder how far one can take it? I think this is what Joe McMonegle means by getting into a state… if you measure brain waves on one it goes to almost flatline… I assume to satisfy the requirement of the exercise one should do it for the whole hour. At this point I am almost fully flatlined in the last 5 to 10 minutes. Takes a bit to get all the controls in.

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 15th, 2010 at 7:20pm
8/15/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

f10

JOOB condition B:

The no thought state came in earlier in the disc this session but, it didn’t hold… but the body phenomena didn’t accompany the nts until near the end so though I am close to fulfilling the condition B requirements I will stay in this exercise until I get a real breakthrough…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 16th, 2010 at 6:51pm
8/15/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

f10

JOOB condition B:

The no thought state began to come in… then I got images of faces they were almost perfect busts accept they were etheric I thought are they going to become solidly real… then I saw a complex landscape and garden…. Then a rush of images the continued non stop for the whole session…

The only thing I can think of is that the mind does not like to be blank… and it is struggling to avoid the no thought, no image condition…

One thing is clear… I was right yesterday when I thought I had not satisfied the exercise condition…

This is astonishing.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 17th, 2010 at 7:25pm
8/17/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

Actually I think I hit another level of relaxation… into f10

JOOB condition B:

Took awhile to get into the pristine quiet state then I started coughing and broke the descent… I am sure this is the mind fighting for survival…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 18th, 2010 at 7:05pm
8/18/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

Getting into the relaxation level nicely… into f10

JOOB condition B:

This is an amazing exercise… I came to the thresold of the sonic boom twice… I experienced the sonic boom before but not the rise to it… this is awesome…. There must be some hemi-sync signals in the last 10 to 15 minutes of the exercise… because the serious stuff always happens in that last few minutes…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 19th, 2010 at 3:37pm
8/19/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

Getting into the relaxation level nicely… into f10

JOOB condition B:

Hit another one of those mind diarrhea things… I have no idea where the flows are coming from… they seem to be coming from everywhere… I know Moen isolated his preceiver/translater as rising from someplace… my flows are everywhere… may be the cerebral cortex as neural science says but… shutting it down is daunting… but it does happen near the end of the session… when I am aided by the hemi-sync signals… this is a difficult exercise to master.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 20th, 2010 at 12:36pm
8/20/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation mode changed but still effective… into f10

JOOB condition B:

Very nice powerful relatively thought free session… but, I am going for at least one session with total no thoughts… or mind activity… I guess the mind is like breaking a horse… it bucks and fights and attempts to stay free to do what it wants to do… but persistently reining it in and staying in the saddle gets the job done…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 20th, 2010 at 5:32pm
8/20/2010 - 2nd afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

Whole body relaxation… into f10

JOOB condition B:

Got quite deep… then there was a pop or a release… like a brain fold unfolded… saw my television screen… quite small… but in it was activity… a snow scape with people in bear skins (primitives??) they had covered wagons… animals and they were moving or about to move… like they were breaking camp… that faded and my interpreter said I was in f21 the area Monroe talked about in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ0QQ9612yg&feature=related

But I was not able to interact… I could only watch… I began to wonder how this related to the exercise… there were no thoughts just images… but, I don’t think this satisfies the conditions of the exercise… will have to keep working on it until I know what this means.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 21st, 2010 at 5:37pm
8/21/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation mode changed but still effective… into f10

JOOB condition B:

The importance of doing the exercises when one is tired cannot be stressed more… with this caveat… there is a razors edge of tiredness… and I have not figured out how to induce it except thru extreme measures of sleep deprevation and fasting… for some people there may be no other way… 

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 22nd, 2010 at 8:09pm
8/22/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition B.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation mode changed but still effective… into f10

JOOB condition B:

LOL!! There is a very surprising phenomena which happens in this exercise that tells you you have fulfilled the conditions of it. I won’t spoil it for those who choose to do the JOOB disc set…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 23rd, 2010 at 7:14pm
8/23/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation mode was not clearly effected immediately but got f10.

JOOB condition C:

There are three powerful hemi-sync shots done in 20 minute intervals… you can feel them very pronouncedly… the instruction doesn’t explicitly say what the satisfies the condition to move to ‘D’… but implies one goes into lucid dreaming or o.b.e.’s… so we will see what we will see…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 25th, 2010 at 7:35pm
8/25/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation mode clearly entered, this time right at the end of the disc… f10.

JOOB condition C:

Some things happen in this exercise at the being that I will not describe since it may be important not to implant the reader. I am clearly from a very specific school which may be quite different from others so what I see and experience is specific to myself… the session opened with me being aware of gold… things made of gold… I want to make it clear that this was impression and not ‘lucid dreaming or visioning” as per the definition… lucid dreaming is clearly a condition in which you are experiencing the dream world as you would the physical world…I.e… walking, talking, feeling and acting in it and then you become aware you are dreaming within the dream…

On my left an full figured Buddhist (??) monk was looking at me… something like this:

http://www.rainbowcrystal.com/altar/0-10buddha.jpg

Then I seem to have been looking down a corridor or a causeway at steep steps up to an altar… (remember it is all gold)…

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Pyramid/Mayan_El_Castilo.JPG

I thought I could see at the top a tabernacle…

http://www.stjudeshop.com/resources/StJudeShop/images/products/processed/K672.zoom.a.jpg

Here are the conditions of ‘C’… shutting down of sensory mechanism inputs… touch, feeling, smell and taste… I did not shut down auditory because I could hear music from the next room faintly coming through… but, I seem to be disembodied… I don’t consider having yet fulfilled the conditions of this exercise so I will continue it…

I did get close again to the sonic boom…



S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 27th, 2010 at 11:50am
8/27/2010 - A passenger in a DC-6 Transport

I am a passenger in a DC - 6 transport aircraft… we are flying over grey clouds and spotty puffs of charcoal cloud formations… we are in the air for quite a while then we land… I seem to get all tangled up in attempting to buy a cup cake… suddenly I realize the plane is going to take off and I was not warned I hurry to attempt to make the flight… a man runs up and attempts to help me… he flags what looks like a vespa two passenger car… the driver ignors the man… the man runs to try and stop him… the vespa makes a sharp turn and hits the man… I wake up… I gotta pee…

This a classic obe dream... I was obe and aware of it tho I was cloaked in the protective shell of the dc-6...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 27th, 2010 at 6:50pm
8/27/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state tenuous finally achieved at end of disc… f10.

JOOB condition C:

This was the mother of all sessions:
I seem to be in two places… my phantom on the right my poc in my pineal gland… I am attached at the right nostril which itches intensely… I am in a Robert Bruce mind split… I attempt to move my poc… no success… it is rigidly and firmly seated in my pg… I use a RB exercise bouncing the poc off the ceiling and floor like a basketball… bouncing off the walls… like a tennis ball… no success… all in imagination… I see a metallic blue pinpoint of light on the left… (the disk??)… aware of an olive drab artillery barrel (huge)… a wheel with spokes… I realise this may be me as a tommy in wwi… I am stuck under the weight of the artillery piece… we took a direct hit… I begin talking to me…

‘you know you are dead’.
‘how can I be dead… I can still see the mass on to of me and I am conscious’
‘think about it… how could you survive several tons of iron and steel slaming you and pinning you under its weight.’
‘I don’t know but there it is sitting on me and I am talking to you.’
‘do you feel pain’
‘no’
‘shouldn’t you feel pain’
‘I guess…’

Not sure I convince myself, but the scene changes… a gothic cathedral… looking toward the nave… figure of jesus with a staff looking to his left my right… in an egglike shell… above the altar…

I begin intergrating and wanting to end the session… lots of pressure… I decide to end the session… I look at the timer… 4 more minutes and it would have ended… I wonder should I have stayed the course.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 28th, 2010 at 10:30am
8/28/2010 - 1st morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state has taken a new turn… f10.

JOOB condition C:

I beging to see what Monroe was up to with the JOOB series… it’s the vibrations… just like in the book JOOB… the vibrations begin to come in and he gives procedures for handling and moving them around… glad I am familiar with the JOOB material because there are brow point gaze techniques that should be done in connection with the vibrations… I know about the vibrations or what I called when I was a kid the 10,000 needles… interestingly enough when I did an after session nap the vibrations began it attempt to come in… just a matter of time and perseverance… now… !!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 28th, 2010 at 6:22pm
8/28/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state slight arkward… but accomplished f10.

JOOB condition C:

The disc construction really accomplishes the shutting down of most sensory sensation except auditory… great signal surge at the end which is trying to push you obe…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 29th, 2010 at 7:09pm
8/29/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state… f10.

JOOB condition C:

Now I am thoroughly confused but that is not unusual. I am fulfilling all of the conditions of C except shutting down auditory. But in this session I attempted the JOOB book instruction connected with the eye focus attempting to pull energy from above down… but all that happens is I seem to BECOME the poc in the pineal gland without fireworks…(but this is only my first attempyt)... luckily I have now mastered the diaphragmatic breath to the point I can reduce my breath intake to almost nothing… the vibrations have slacked off somewhat but, I just have no idea where this is going… not that I should… it seems nobody on this board has down this series since I have no feedback or corroboration from anyone here. I just have to keep this going until something definitive happens or the auditory shutdown… that is really the JOOB text series instruction and it doesn’t go into the eye focus procedure in the series instruction. I just happen to know that Monroe gave up on teaching that technique because few people were able to make it work and I guess too many students were frustrated with failure… that is my guess TMI no longer uses that instruction.

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 30th, 2010 at 7:01pm
8/30/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C.

Relaxation phase:

Beautiful whole body relaxation state almost immediate… (hope this stays in place) f10.

JOOB condition C:

The whole session was powerful. I bit my lip on a sudden body jerk right at the beginning of the session… very deep and toward the end I was about to exit when I encountered a bullet headhelment:

http://www.nautical-mart.com/pcat-gifs/products-small/ir80692-medieval-greek.jpg

Was I trapped in one of these helments and couldn't get out or died believing I couldn’t get out? Am I still in it in some phantom astral scene… no way to telling… I got no opportunity to talk to my phantom..

But the obe exit was just there to happen…

Keep on truckin’.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Aug 30th, 2010 at 9:35pm
Looking forward to hearing about your soon to be OBE!

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 30th, 2010 at 11:27pm

goobygirl wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 9:35pm:
Looking forward to hearing about your soon to be OBE!


Hi Gooby: I'll be glad to have it in the way I want it.  ;)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Justin on Aug 31st, 2010 at 1:07am
Hi Seraphis1,

  I haven't read this entire thread but i was wondering, are you trying to have a classic OBE--one similar to what Monroe wrote about in his books? 

  I've wrote about this a bit here and there in the further past, but maybe it bears repeating. 

  There is an interesting book called "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight.  In this book, among many topics, her guidance talks about exploring of the nonphysical from various levels or dimensions within self. 

  This info and analogy can be likened to shifting ones inner vibratory wavelength to different frequencies either relatively faster or slower vibratory than one another. 

  Her guidance doesn't recommend exploring via the classic OBE way and level.   Not that there is anything wrong with it per se, but that this source hints that it tends to be a limiting perspective because it's of and through a slower vibratory level (more attached and connected to the physical).  They also cite there tends to be less shielding left for the overall energy system, and so one tends to be more open to invasion during a classic OBE. (which "Ah So" describes as phasing primarily through the "etheric" body or level of self).

  This was confirmed to me when i had my one and only classic OBE (well not quite true, i had another experience later on which i eventually realized was more or less a classic OBE).  Around the time i had this OBE, i was in a phase i will call limiting to say the least.  Was under various stresses, wasn't keeping my spiritual center, and wasn't being as PUL attuned as i normally was and could be (which is what this journey is ALL about, for all).

  In short, i had shifted much of my consciousness to a noticeably slower vibratory range for a time (for me).  I, my energies were vibrating at a slower and more limiting wavelength.

I don't think, in light of Rosie's Guidance and what they've said, this was a coincidence.  I've come to believe that my natural way is not OBE because normally and generally speaking, my "vibes" are too fast vibratory to phase via that level.   Not trying to toot my own horn, just being matter of fact and sincere. 

  In other words, you may be wasting your time in trying to achieve a classic OBE as there are other means and ways to explore nonphysically.   It may be that it's not your natural state to phase into as you may be more attuned to more subtle levels and ways of perceiving the nonphysical. 

Sometimes in our earlier stages, our Disk will incline us to more "in our face" experiences like classic OBE's because that is what we need to experience in order to truly believe in and get excited about the nonphysical.   It's because such classic OBE's have such a physical, "real world" like feel to them. 

  As one matures, and one really grows and trusts, generally one doesn't need such overt and in your face experiences and so they tend to become more subtle.  I say tend, because sometimes even the more mature and seasoned folks need a stronger reminder every once in awhile.

  This (more subtle and less overt ways of perceiving and exploring), generally speaking, is usually a good sign.  It's the stubborn and/or less mature ones which need such "bells and whistles" to borrow a term from my friend. 

  Having a classic OBE is cool, fun, convincing, etc., but definitely not necessary.  It may be a waste of time trying to have one.  I don't know, and can't say for sure in your case, but it may be something worth taking to your Guidance about.

  RAM was a man who very much needed to have those kinds of experiences in order to open up and really believe in such subtle, non mainstream and nonphysical aspects of reality.  He was until his experiences, pretty much a materialist and not someone particularly intune with his intuition in a more conscious sense. 

  I find it interesting that Bruce Moen, possibly someone that is part of the same Disk as RAM, also has had a lack of experience in the classic OBE department despite trying and wanting to in his earlier days.  It's safe to assume that Bruce started off on and with a faster vibratory pattern than Monroe who had helped paved the way for his future self.   Indeed Bruce reports that he has had a strong interest in the nonphysical etc. since he was younger--rather different in that respect than RAM. 

  Just some stuff to think about.   

 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 31st, 2010 at 6:31am

wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 1:07am:
Hi Seraphis1,

  I haven't read this entire thread but i was wondering, are you trying to have a classic OBE--one similar to what Monroe wrote about in his books?


The classic obe. Like Monroe, Muldoon, Fox and Robert Bruce. This should be common place and probably will be in some far flung future like learning to walk.


wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 1:07am:


  I've wrote about this a bit here and there in the further past, but maybe it bears repeating. 

  There is an interesting book called "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight.  In this book, among many topics, her guidance talks about exploring of the nonphysical from various levels or dimensions within self.


As a student of Monroe’s books and TMI, my personal take is that the phasing technique (which I have little problem with in the seminar environment… ) is an evolution of practicing obe’s traveling etc… over a long period of time… just as Monroe accidentally discovered phasing… I will admit… Robert Bruce seems not to have developed phasing… or he has not talked about it in his writings… but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t at this point in time do it but has not codified it as Monroe did…

But it is natural for humans to develop short cuts in their skill sets as practice becomes second nature… for example… I like horse racing… I use speed figures which are laborious to calculate… but, after a while you can just look at a set of speed figures and intuitively understand their significance… without doing the laborious math. Practice simply makes perfect.

If I start something, I finish it. I started the JOOB and AKG series and I am going to finish it…

S.



wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 1:07am:


  I find it interesting that Bruce Moen, possibly someone that is part of the same Disk as RAM, also has had a lack of experience in the classic OBE department despite trying and wanting to in his earlier days.  It's safe to assume that Bruce started off on and with a faster vibratory pattern than Monroe who had helped paved the way for his future self.   Indeed Bruce reports that he has had a strong interest in the nonphysical etc. since he was younger--rather different in that respect than RAM. 

  Just some stuff to think about.   

 


If you will recall Bruce Moen’s biographical confession in his books, he stopped attempting classic obe out of fear of not being able to control the event… he almost had one when he was driving and was shocked that he might have a serious accident… but, one of Monroe’s student while driving him in the Faber mountains was speeding… Monroe said don’t get a ticket… the student obe… d and went ahead and returned and told Monroe there were not cops in the vicinity… Monroe was petrified or so the story goes… but they didn’t have an accident…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 31st, 2010 at 9:06am
8/31/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Interesting development. I always had akg disk 1 cut 6 in the mix because the changer gave me the signal that the condition disc ended… the joob series is lacking in verbal queues so it could end and you wouldn’t know it. Well, I got so deep and was mind awake I didn’t want to end the session. This is very good according to Robert Bruce, he says the longer you can do your sessions the deeper you will go and very good things will happen. Up to now I was always kind of glad the session was over. This is the first time I didn’t want it to stop.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state… f10.

JOOB condition C:

Very deep and consciously aware. The disk ends and I don’t want to come out.

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

I was so startled and please I was not following the guidance at first then I began to attempt to follow it… now, I get I/P a bit better…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Justin on Aug 31st, 2010 at 1:11pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 6:31am:
If I start something, I finish it. I started the JOOB and AKG series and I am going to finish it…


  Your perseverance and stick-to-itness is admirable.  The AKG set is not about classic OBE's, and that's part of the point.  Even TMI recommends not getting too hung up on needing to have classic OBE's like Monroe and others did.  (i've only attended the Gateway Voyage program there, so no TMI expert by any means). 


Quote:
If you will recall Bruce Moen’s biographical confession in his books, he stopped attempting classic obe out of fear of not being able to control the event… he almost had one when he was driving and was shocked that he might have a serious accident… but, one of Monroe’s student while driving him in the Faber mountains was speeding… Monroe said don’t get a ticket… the student obe… d and went ahead and returned and told Monroe there were not cops in the vicinity… Monroe was petrified or so the story goes… but they didn’t have an accident…


  I do not recall the above.  I do recall Bruce writing here, in one of his books, and in at least one of the free articles on this site that he spent a long while being hung up on wanting, nay feeling the need to have a classic OBE but after much time and effort trying and only having a couple of spontaneous, non controlled classic OBE's spaced over long periods of time eventually gave up the struggle meanwhile learning that there were other, just as effective ways to explore the nonphysical. 

  Seems he freed himself from the emotional attachment there, and eventually after that much opened up for him perceptually.

Have you read "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight? 

   Rosie was one of RAM's earlier explorers back in the day, and the Gateway Voyage program is set up like it is today largely based on the info that came through her from her Guidance.  It's a pretty interesting and holistic book. 

  Definitely want to check it against self experience and guidance, but i can say for me my experience with this has confirmed what her main guide "Ah So" talked about in relation to classic OBE i.e. focusing ones consciousness/perceptions primarily through the "etheric body", which btw is connected to the slower vibratory energy Centers.

  In any case, all that practice you are doing is definitely constructive and is and will help on different levels, it's just that it may not lead to what you want to happen.  Again, i say "may" because i don't know specifically in your case for sure either way. 

 






Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by recoverer on Aug 31st, 2010 at 3:11pm
Related to what Justin wrote, I haven't had an OBE with all the effects for a while. I don't know if I could.  Doing so might be similar to trying to fly a plane designed to use jet engines with old prop engines.

I wasn't always a plane that required jet engines, but I've worked on myself spiritually and needs have changed.

Perhaps it is more of a matter of focusing our attention to different energy levels than flying around like superman. Perhaps we experience ourself as superman for as long we need to do so.

On the other hand, flying around is fun, but perhaps doing so from a lucid dream is preferable. I'm not certain, but I believe it is possible that traveling astrally from a lucid dream might be better energetically than the regular way. The reason I say this is because as stated earlier, I no longer travel the old way, but do so from lucid dreams. When I do so from a lucid dream, it doesn't seem as if the old way is missed.

In fact, there were a couple of occasions where I went into the vibrational state before flying, as I was having a lucid dream. This hasn't happened in a while. I believe my higher self/spirit guidance had me experience in such a way, in order to make the point that experiencing such effects aren't necessary. Such effects can be useful when you go from being skeptic to non-skeptic.

Also, I occasionally fly about in what seems to be my mental body while wide awake. Again, no effects are required.

By the way, has anybody who flys around signed up for a frequent flyer program?

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 31st, 2010 at 3:13pm

wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 1:11pm:

Seraphis1 wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 6:31am:
If I start something, I finish it. I started the JOOB and AKG series and I am going to finish it…


Justin said:<< Your perseverance and stick-to-itness is admirable.  The AKG set is not about classic OBE's, and that's part of the point.  Even TMI recommends not getting too hung up on needing to have classic OBE's like Monroe and others did.  (i've only attended the Gateway Voyage program there, so no TMI expert by any means).  >>


Hi Justin: I guess I didn’t quite get your point. Here is my position. I regard obe as a skill, not as an end in itself… just as remote viewing is a skill… these are tools in ones non-physical arsenal.

I have successfully used phasing in the seminar environment here is my response to a query on the tmi forum to a question about my guideline experience:

CommentAuthorakasha

<<I wanted to ask you.. What was guidelines like?>>

In guidelines I found out I have a residence on f21. It is a Roman Portico on a Blue Lake with an Alabaster mountain in the background. You are invited to visit. I discovered I am a very beautiful Man… a Light body… I was astounded… one of my fellow student recognized I had contact my Divinity and wanted to worship me (joking of course - LOL!!) I discovered I am too masculine and the powers are working on me to balance me out… I experienced a lot of energy flows… I now realize I was contacting and interacting with Kundalini.

<< Did you do it in faber?>>

I went to Faber.

<< What was it like in that really cool chair?>>

It isn’t a chair it is a very sophisticated water bed… I loved it. I found a demon in my heart chakra which got dissolved… I discovered that I was to get a great release when I did Lifelines… which I recently finished… and I discovered a personal lifetime that was hanging me up and released it in lifelines.

<<Also, what focus level do they take you to? Thanks in advance for your help…>>

Went to focus 27 saw the wonderful heavenly clouds and the nurse in electric royal blue.

S.

I have also done a retrieval in which I took a soul directly to F27, he seemed to be ready to go there… I was surprised he didn’t wink out before I got him there.

[quote author=456C576B48656B507771456C6C4B69697665040 link=1268502700/435#435 date=1283274668][

Have you read "Cosmic Journeys" by Rosiland A. McKnight? 


I haven’t read CJ but I was at one of Rosi’s last lecture at TMI before she died… as a matter of fact I obe’d using her inspiration of the fasting technique of which I add sleep deprevation… but, that is very draconian… I want to do this with less physical stress and discomfort.

So essentially, what I am saying is the what we are doing is quite stochastic and can not be put in a box. Every being will have their own goals and aims… mine revolve around being a Facilitator like Monroe’s 1800 year old guy.

I do TMI twice a year.  I am doing  Bulmann’s obe TMI seminar on Sept 25 to 28... I think of myself as a Renaissance man versatile and many faceted. Mastering the Universe.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Aug 31st, 2010 at 7:18pm
8/31/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

This is amazing I have enterer a whole new world of relaxation and the experience of relaxation

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state is immediate and takes a whole new turn. I am full like a balloon… almost now body sensation… hard to describe.

JOOB condition C:

Very deep and consciously aware. Some fundamental body attempt to separate… this is where I want to be… a smooth separation and in good physical condition without debilitation… The disk ends and I am ambivalent about ending the session. Decide to continue in I/P mode.

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

Seems my subconscious is trying to process a tv movie I recently watched and found tedious and unwatchable… a british detective drama… red riding trilogy… it is stuck in my subconscious and my I/P is trying to dissolve it… if the subconscious is like the intestinal track… it is trying to pass this whole indigestible mass…

NB: I am very happy about these new unexpected developments… especially the desire to meditate for hours… that is where it is at… the ability to stay internal for very long periods… outstanding!!

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 1st, 2010 at 1:17pm
9/1/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Two steps forward: one step backward, not so enthusiastic about long sessions now… didn’t stay in session to do the I/P.

Relaxation phase:

relaxation state not quite as profound as yesterday, but it is coming in earlier in the disk… f10.

JOOB condition C:

Lots of imagery in this session (this is not supposed to happen in this condition… all sensory functions are supposed to shutdown as the disk progresses… but, they never did)… I was conversing with a papal figure… he had the mitered hat and the ornate vestments… purple pulsing light developed… I did get the ringing sounds and the pressure in the temple area which indicates auditory is attempting to engage…

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

Aborted the I/P cut. Went to breakfast.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 1st, 2010 at 7:36pm
9/01/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Body rock hard… must be sleep paralysis… fairly quickly into f10...

JOOB condition C:

Mind awake but poc… will not separate it is just locked into the awake mind… have now idea where it is… except I am the center of it… became aware of a room… window wall… a bronze body was standing akimbo back against the wall… the only thing I can think is that this is a process and I have advanced a long way in the relaxation phase… which must have whole worlds of layers to go before the mind is released enough from the physical to trigger the vibrations… but at least something new and different is happening all the time… that is progress…

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

Didn’t do this exercise.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:33am
BTW I found the JOOB material on CD here:

http://www.glidewing.com/astraldynamics/papi_cds.html

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 6:15am

goobygirl wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:33am:
BTW I found the JOOB material on CD here:

http://www.glidewing.com/astraldynamics/papi_cds.html


Hi Gooby: Thanks for the heads up.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:11am
9/1/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Another step forward. I wanted to again stay in session and could have gone on indefinitely. It is a joy to be in the inner world.

Relaxation phase:

Again relaxation state not quite as easily achieve but it gradually settles in…f10.

JOOB condition C:

Major itch right at the beginning under the nose above the lip scratched in a reflex… but it was early enough that it was not disruptive… later developed a need to cough… did so… but smooth returned to inner state and the shutting down of sensory faculties. 

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

This time I happily allowed the exercise to run and participated… I have better results with this exercise when I am awake and walking around when I become aware of the Interpreter chattering away and I attempt to locate its source… in session everything seems like it is coming from everywhere and has no source… but that is what an exercise is for…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 2:06pm
9/02/2010 - 2nd morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Unbelievable session!!!

Relaxation phase:

Almost immediately my brain went rock hard… almost unaware of rest of my body… it was light and amorphous f10...

JOOB condition C:

See a lone orange gabled house on a green grassed promontory… my cranial area (neo cortex??) starts buzzing… about half way through session my left lower leg went rigid… the toes stretched back tensed and rigid… whatever was going on in my brain is spreading to the rest of my body except that is starting on the left side of my body… the right side is still airy and light… electric jolt in the heart chakra… whole body in a light buzz… now a ringing in the temple area right side of head… but lightly ringing in left temple… light flash… I want the session to end… time is oppressive… but I feel I can’t abort but must stay till the end of the disk… it is a struggle not to abort… must stay in session… mercifully my whole body is feeling all the same sensations… the disk click out….

Have no idea what this is all about….

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

Didn’t do this exercise.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 1:06pm
9/3/2010 - morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

A powerful session.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation continues to begin in the cranial area, with a lot of energy concentration in the eyes…f10.

JOOB condition C:

Intense royal blue light… astral vision flashed in… fundamental body movement…

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

Started the exercise but decided to abort…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 4th, 2010 at 12:43pm
9/4/2010 - morning session:

Not sure what kind of session this was… it was not a step backward… it was not necessarily an advance… guess it was marching in place…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

As I was going into the relaxation phase which is always beginning with the cerebral cortex going rigid, I became aware of myself being upside down with my feet pointed at the ceiling… this is clearly an obe state… but my point of consciousness was still in my brain… so I was in a mind split… f10.

JOOB condition C:

I seem to be in a large open space in a warehouse… I was in a female body and I had the identity of someone I know (AS)… intense pressure cranial area… fundamental body shift… ringing and pressure in the temple and ear mostly right side…

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Ear-anatomy.png

Vibrations attempt to come in…

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise:

Didn’t do this exercise.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 4th, 2010 at 4:40pm
9/04/2010 - Afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Powerful and beautiful session

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation coming in easily…  f10...

JOOB condition C:

Gradual shutting down of sensory perception… body gradually preparing to receive the vibrations… I think this is how the controlled obe’s will manifest… my body will gradually be able to accept the intense vibratory 10,000 needle phenomena… it is clearly moving in that direction… but the intense sense of well being is wonderfully… thank you God for this ability… thy will be done…

S.


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Michael Saganski on Sep 4th, 2010 at 9:24pm
Well I got back from TMI (The Monroe Institute) a couple weeks ago. It's taken me a while to get some free time and to really understand any sort of permanent changes their Gateway Voyage program left on me. It was an amazing week of self-discovery, exploration, experience, and development.

In a nutshell I came wanting to learn more about consciousness and subjective experience (and maybe have an OBE too!). While I didn't have a pure OBE, I did come away with much more than I expected. I do have a deeper understanding of how I am more than my physical body (consciousness). I am more aware, happy, sensitive, and caring in general, and have a modified outlook on life.

The Gateway Voyage teaches you how to attain different altered states of consciousness (what they call Focus 10, 12, 15, and 21) with the help of Hemi-Sync. Attaining these states during the program was surprisingly easy. Some people might also know that Bob Monroe termed this shifting between altered states as phasing. Phasing is a whole lot easier to do and is more gradual than trying to just attain an OBE. I think it's because phasing allows you to be open to any sort of non-physical perception, instead of expecting for XYZ to occur in an OBE.

Conscious experience is very subjective and there is quite a variety of ways to experience the focus levels. That's why if you believe you want to have an OBE just like one you've read, you'll likely end up blocking any sort of non-physical perception that isn't what you're expecting. It's much better to just be open to what comes to you. That's one of the biggest things I learned at the Gateway Voyage, and it's why I've dropped the goal of "having an OBE" for something more general and expansive.

My non-physical perceptions were varied between visions, feelings, and the occasional sense of "knowing". I should be clear that these visions came to me in my mind's eye (so I didn't see it through my physical eyes), and I'd sometimes have trouble figuring out whether I was actually imagining what I was seeing or if I wasn't. I'm far from mastering this, but I've also come a long way.

The exercises at the Gateway Voyage also give you plenty of tools. This gives you things to try when you're lying there in the altered state, such as receiving guidance, performing healing, remote viewing, manifestation, interacting with entities, etc. One of the best successes for me was deepening my connection with my guidance (be it a guide, helper, or whatever you want to call it). When I have a question about something going on in my life, I can usually get a yes/no answer from this guidance (it depends on the question) - which is very useful! The manifestation exercise actually ended up working for me (a specific boost in my career), and I received some positive results (not 100% accurate) with the remote viewing.

I'm not 100% sure why I'm more happy, sensitive, caring, etc. I think part of it has to do with having experiences that have showed me what an open heart *feels* like. Hemi-Sync also tends to make you use both your left-brain and your right-brain - and my right-brain has definitely been underutilized. Perhaps coming in greater alignment with my whole being has helped in some way as well.

I used to dismiss most subjective experience (i.e. lived in the left-brained objective causality of Western culture) - but there is SO much to it.. and it is directly applicable to our everyday lives.

I should also mention that another huge source of knowledge for me about all of this has come from the book "My Big Toe". This book and its author really resonate with me - I've been able to make sense of all this new age "hokum" in a logical framework that makes sense to me. It's been completely compatible with my Gateway Voyage and enhanced my understanding of it.

I will definitely be going to TMI within the next year to take another program. I'm currently debating between Heartline, Guidelines, and MC squared. My current goals are to become more loving/caring, and to enhance my non-physical perceptions by continuing to meditate everyday.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:42pm
9/04/2010 - Evening session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation coming in easily…  f10...

JOOB condition C:

Almost immediately three sharp electric lightning pains is the left index finger outside edge:

Reflexology sheds on light on the pains:

http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.uk/static/cs/uk/11/features/reflexology/handchart.html

Several exit attempts… heart chakra startup attempts… this time sharp clear signal in left ear area this time:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Ear-anatomy.png

Vibrations attempt to come in…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 4th, 2010 at 10:57pm

msagansk wrote on Sep 4th, 2010 at 9:24pm:
Well I got back from TMI (The Monroe Institute) a couple weeks ago. It's taken me a while to get some free time and to really understand any sort of permanent changes their Gateway Voyage program left on me. It was an amazing week of self-discovery, exploration, experience, and development.

I will definitely be going to TMI within the next year to take another program. I'm currently debating between Heartline, Guidelines, and MC squared. My current goals are to become more loving/caring, and to enhance my non-physical perceptions by continuing to meditate everyday.


Hi M: Nice to see you back. Glad you got a good experience out of Gateway. Since I may be responsible for your going to TMI sooner than you planned... let me recommend Guidelines next because of the Tank... to do the Tank outside of Guidelines cost $500 in Guidelines it is a bonus... Guidelines is generally the recommended next step anyway.

While you were at TMI did you run into anyone who did Bulmann. I go for the Bulmann obe seminar at the end of this month 25 to 28 sept.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 5th, 2010 at 7:01pm
9/5/2010 - afternoon session:

This session was like none of the other sessions.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

The relaxation phase is coming in quite easily but taking different form whole body or blanket of relaxation… f10.

JOOB condition C:

Then as I go in to the exercise I saw a head…

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/shroudofturin.jpg

Only it was pinkish especially the nose.

As the session progressed I was in a mind split… poc firmly in my brain… but flowing up out of my heart chakra which kept attempting to ignite was all this heraldic medieval costume forms of which I guess I am clothed…

http://www.realarmorofgod.com/images/medieval-clothing-men-151.jpg

I attempted to exit… but, was not getting anywhere because my poc is so firmly anchored in my physical brain.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:04am

Seraphis1 wrote on Sep 5th, 2010 at 7:01pm:
9/5/2010 - afternoon session:

This session was like none of the other sessions.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

The relaxation phase is coming in quite easily but taking different form whole body or blanket of relaxation… f10.

JOOB condition C:

Then as I go in to the exercise I saw a head…

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/shroudofturin.jpg

Only it was pinkish especially the nose.

As the session progressed I was in a mind split… poc firmly in my brain… but flowing up out of my heart chakra which kept attempting to ignite was all this heraldic medieval costume forms of which I guess I am clothed…

http://www.realarmorofgod.com/images/medieval-clothing-men-151.jpg

I attempted to exit… but, was not getting anywhere because my poc is so firmly anchored in my physical brain.

S.


I just realized something… early in this session… I did the Monroe affirmation… the instruction does not call for it… but I do it anyway… but, I remember loosing some of it… I think that is the borderline… between consciousness and the place I want to be to loosen the grip of the poc on the physical… the instruction is…

Condition C is a systematic deepening of consciousness while in the B state. This is approached by carefully letting go of your rigid hold on the borderland sleep edge and drifting deeper, little by little, during each exercise.

In other words I don’t want to struggle to do the affirmation… as I lose the affirmation sequence that is the sleep edge… here is where I need to attempt to balance between the two states… I.e… get my poc… subtly aware between the states… by needing to finish the affirmation firmly that holds the poc on the conscious side of the razor’s edge… between waking and sleeping… hummmm…

I’ll have to watch for this…

S.



Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 6th, 2010 at 7:21pm
9/6/2010 - afternoon session:

I must have inadvertently phased to f27 in this session…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

As I was going into relaxation phase I saw a Madonna figure from above looking down… she was in my right frame and looking left….

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/teamarbeit/teamarbeit0810/teamarbeit081000038/3689815.jpg

Light shelf forms across my brow… full body relaxation sets in… then a neck release… f10.…

JOOB condition C:

Two fundamental body shifts several minutes apart… see a white frame… red orange strata fills the frame and there is script in black ink… written over it…
Blue heavenly clouds (at this point I think I phased to f27... )

http://eternallycool.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/santignazio-ceiling.jpg

An angel is pulling me out of my body…

http://nerfgunbobbins.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/angel.jpg

I rise in billowing clouds… (something like this happened in guidelines when the last exercise was a trip to f27)…

Porcelain woman with full arburn hair reaches toward me…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GB1QIPqxdYU/THvhc2yhKyI/AAAAAAAABU8/0CeI80-xNfo/s1600/zacposen.jpg

I am filling with light…

Pharaohnic figure enters the mix…

http://www.geneveith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tutankhamun.jpg

Start coughing… more heraldry…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:17am

Seraphis1 wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 7:21pm:
9/6/2010 - afternoon session:

I must have inadvertently phased to f27 in this session…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

As I was going into relaxation phase I saw a Madonna figure from above looking down… she was in my right frame and looking left….

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/teamarbeit/teamarbeit0810/teamarbeit081000038/3689815.jpg

Light shelf forms across my brow… full body relaxation sets in… then a neck release… f10.…

JOOB condition C:

Two fundamental body shifts several minutes apart… see a white frame… red orange strata fills the frame and there is script in black ink… written over it…
Blue heavenly clouds (at this point I think I phased to f27... )

http://eternallycool.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/santignazio-ceiling.jpg

An angel is pulling me out of my body…

http://nerfgunbobbins.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/angel.jpg

I rise in billowing clouds… (something like this happened in guidelines when the last exercise was a trip to f27)…

Porcelain woman with full arburn hair reaches toward me…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GB1QIPqxdYU/THvhc2yhKyI/AAAAAAAABU8/0CeI80-xNfo/s1600/zacposen.jpg

I am filling with light…

Pharaohnic figure enters the mix…

http://www.geneveith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tutankhamun.jpg

Start coughing… more heraldry…

S.


Hi All: Synchronicity - Lol!! In the complex I live there are jigsaw puzzle enthusiasts... when I went into the recreation room... I saw them working on a jigsaw puzzle of an angel hovering over a landscape.  8-)

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 7th, 2010 at 7:13pm
9/7/2010 - afternoon session:

Awesome, almost there…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

At first I thought I would not go into relaxed state easily… then… suddenly the shift happened… f10.…

JOOB condition C:

Everything is now quite different, my poc has moved to a light state of hold just behind my forehead…  feel light and potentially buoyant… ready to lift out of my body… oh so close… I didn’t realize how near the last powerful signal I was… (lost track of time awareness??… auditory is not giving up… I loose it a bit but it comes back in… it could be have too much attention on shutting it down… these things can not be manhandled… suddenly it happened… I got a flash of astral vision… I was about to exit… the intensity of the buzzing and the power of the lift… just as I thought a fully controlled exit would and should be… this is why I wanted to do this without beginning physically debilitated by sleep deprevation and or fasting… you exit very lightly… but not with the full power of what is about to happen… I guess it failed because I got excited about success… but I am confident it is just there for the asking if I ask correctly and not get too emotional about it…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 8th, 2010 at 6:22pm
9/8/2010 - afternoon session:

I believe in those last two sessions I satisfied the auditory shutdown condition so I am moving on to the final disc… condition d.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation came in easily and quickly… f10.…

JOOB condition D:

The signals are quite pronounced… lush green and multicolored garden… left arm nerve lightning shots… light vibrations… see a head form like a plastic mold… is this my rtx… double… attempted to shift poc… didn’t get it into the bust… other indescribable sensation…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 9th, 2010 at 12:00am
9/8/2010 - evening session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

The relaxation phase comes in differently each session… but at some point it locks in nicely… I think it depends on how awake I am at the time I do the session… f10.…

JOOB condition C:

I decided to do visualizations of being o.b.e… getting a lot of flashing in and out… important to hold a steady… position in the room and let the surroundings develop kind of like a photograph taking shape in the solution… very satisfied with the results…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Justin on Sep 9th, 2010 at 12:49am
  Relating to my earlier posts on this thread in regards to having classic OBE's like Monroe etc. reported. 

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/oobe.html

  Straight from Bruce's fingers to our eyes. 

Note especially the following--Bruce speaking about his obsession/attachment to have more classic OBE's, "Finally, in frustration, I decided to go to the Institute’s Gateway Voyage program, figuring it would teach me to go OOB much faster. That’s what I thought Gateway Voyage  was all about, learning to consciously go OOB. That didn’t happen for me and what did was so much more valuable it completely blew me away! I came back from Gateway Voyage with the beginnings of an understanding of what 'more than my physical body' means. To my dismay, I also discovered the years of effort to go OOB, so I could explore the nonphysical world, had been a complete waste of time.*"

My use of bold and italics.  Again, i think Rosie's book Cosmic Journey and the guidance from "Ah So" in that book, probably relates very much to Bruce's above experience and in general to the classic type OBE phenomena. 


Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 9th, 2010 at 2:09am

wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 12:49am:
  Relating to my earlier posts on this thread in regards to having classic OBE's like Monroe etc. reported. 

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/oobe.html

  Straight from Bruce's fingers to our eyes. 

Note especially the following--Bruce speaking about his obsession/attachment to have more classic OBE's, "Finally, in frustration, I decided to go to the Institute’s Gateway Voyage program, figuring it would teach me to go OOB much faster. That’s what I thought Gateway Voyage  was all about, learning to consciously go OOB. That didn’t happen for me and what did was so much more valuable it completely blew me away! I came back from Gateway Voyage with the beginnings of an understanding of what 'more than my physical body' means. To my dismay, I also discovered the years of effort to go OOB, so I could explore the nonphysical world, had been a complete waste of time.*"

My use of bold and italics.  Again, i think Rosie's book Cosmic Journey and the guidance from "Ah So" in that book, probably relates very much to Bruce's above experience and in general to the classic type OBE phenomena. 


Hi Justin: I get your point but you don’t seem to get mine. As I said before, if you read my response: obe’g is a skill, remote viewing is a skill. They are not ends in themselves.

If Rosie thought obe’s were a waste of time why did she tell me how to do it with fasting (which I added sleep deprevation.):

This is my posting of mission accomplished:

I just finished TMI - Guidelines - I started a water fast there based on incentive from Rosalind McKnight.. I vowed not to eat until I obe'd... her recommendation was a distilled water diet, I did it!!!!!!!!

Diary of the Fast: Seraphis1

At +/- 02:14 on the morning of Oct 30, 2009… I went consciously and fully controlled O.B.E… I rose smoothly out-of-body… projecting into what “I” know as The Buddhic State… not the Real-Time Zone… no vibrations or noises… a simple smooth conscious rising out of my physical body.

This was accomplished using a combination of the TMI – Gateway Experience Wave series, an intense water fast that began on the night of the Oct 22 to the night of Oct 24th when due to circumstances beyond my ability to control I gradually broke the fast in a limited way… still continuing to be water based in intent… but the key ingredient is the sleep deprivation method which insures one gets to borderland [This is accomplished by setting one’s alarm clock, one hour before you usually get up… a curious phenomena occurs… you actually awake before the alarm goes off… get up… take a bath… mild exercise range of motion… nothing strenuous…].

The most important step is the wave series as follows:

Note: You need a programmable cd disc changer, an ipod or a computer to setup a continuous 2-hr disc run as follows:

Wave I – Discovery track 1 – Orientation
track 2 – Introduction to Focus 10
track 3 – Advanced Focus 10

Wave III – Freedom track 1 – Lift Off

This procedure was created by myself based on Robert Bruce’s “Astral Dynamics” in which he outlines the four things needed to do an o-b-e projection:

1. 100% relaxation
2. quiet the monkey mind (use your Energy conversion box liberally)
3. ability to shift your point-of-consciousness into the astral body.
4. enough psychic energy to sustain the condition.

See you around the universe somewhere… Good Luck and happy traveling.

[b]Seraphis1
[/b]

I didn’t continue this technique because it was so physically debilitating… I decided to find out if I could do it by just being normal… so far it has taken a longer period of time but I think the foundation upon which I am building my skill sets are more powerful (personal opinion and preference… time will tell…).

I am going to tmi on sept 25 for bulman’s obe seminar… if TMI uses the services of Bulman to teach obe skills what is your insistence on some kind of phasing orthodoxy… TMI doesn’t consider obe skills heresy apparently as you seem to imply…

But recently I simple phased automatically in my session of


Seraphis1 wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 7:21pm:
9/6/2010 - afternoon session:

I must have inadvertently phased to f27 in this session…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition C:AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

As I was going into relaxation phase I saw a Madonna figure from above looking down… she was in my right frame and looking left….

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/teamarbeit/teamarbeit0810/teamarbeit081000038/3689815.jpg

Light shelf forms across my brow… full body relaxation sets in… then a neck release… f10.…

JOOB condition C:

Two fundamental body shifts several minutes apart… see a white frame… red orange strata fills the frame and there is script in black ink… written over it…
Blue heavenly clouds (at this point I think I phased to f27... )

http://eternallycool.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/santignazio-ceiling.jpg

An angel is pulling me out of my body…

http://nerfgunbobbins.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/angel.jpg

I rise in billowing clouds… (something like this happened in guidelines when the last exercise was a trip to f27)…

Porcelain woman with full arburn hair reaches toward me…

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GB1QIPqxdYU/THvhc2yhKyI/AAAAAAAABU8/0CeI80-xNfo/s1600/zacposen.jpg

I am filling with light…

Pharaohnic figure enters the mix…

http://www.geneveith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tutankhamun.jpg

Start coughing… more heraldry…

S.


Happy phasing Justin, I’ll look for you out there.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Justin on Sep 9th, 2010 at 12:35pm
Hi Seraphis,

My last post was addressed to the general board more so, and specifically for any newbies that might be reading it and this thread. 

  Yes, i do get your point but i feel you may be missing a piece of the puzzle, which i think would be well explained and pointed out to you if you read Rosie's book or seek direct guidance about the issue.

  I will try to explain again in somewhat different terms, partially inspired by what "Ah So" taught in her book. 

  Exploring via classic OBE is not just a skill, but it's a type of phasing, and i will put it in perspective for you.

Picture this, a great scale of vibratory "levels" or notes which go from the slowest vibratory notes or levels which is related to the physical and to the lower hell areas of consciousness.

This great scale of frequency goes all the way up to pure Source Consciousness which is the fastest vibratory part of the Total, One Field of Consciousness. 

  All these notes and frequencies are all connected to each other, hence there is both a "linear" and "non linear" aspect to it.   Our consciousness exists unconsciously in all these various levels.  It's a matter of becoming conscious to various ones.

  Relating to this is a perspective framework of we have 7 major energy centers, and we have 5 main "bodies".  These bodies are physical, etheric, emotional, mental, and spiritual. 

  We also have 7 main dimensions those 7 main dimensions are 7 major sub dimensions, so we have 49 major levels. 

  Ok, now it gets a little more interesting.  Those 7 main dimensions are connected to our 7 main energy centers connected to our various bodies. 

But, more specifically, you could say the physical and afterlife hells dimensions are connected primarily to the 1st dimension and to the 1st energy Center.    Each level or slower vibratory note, is a reflection of the faster vibratory note or level "right next to it" so to speak, and all is reflected from the Source Consciousness level of pure Spirit. 

In a sense, all "below" (slower vibratory) that original level is a bit illusionary in nature because it's all temporal and a reflection deflection.  The slower vibratory the level, the more distorted it becomes.  Our job is to raise the vibrational patterns of the 1st level (aka our physical bodies) up to match the vibrational pattern of that pure Spirit/Source pattern.

  Anyways, the etheric body of the human energy system is primarily connected to 2nd dimension and to our 2nd Chakra and some of the slowest vibratory aspects of 3rd dimensions and the 3rd Center, the emotional to the 3rd and some to the 4th, etc., and so on so forth.

  What we call the classic OBE, well another way of saying it is concentrating our attention and perception within via primarily our etheric "body" and the 2nd/3rd Center and dimensional levels of our total human energy system. 

  Or, in other words, it's still very connected to the physical level, which is why we perceive somewhat similarly and thus feels more "physically real" via that kind of "phasing".

  But, as Ah So pointed out, it's because of that energy identification and density more akin to the physical, it tends to be more limiting in some ways as compared to phasing or focusing our attention in the faster vibratory levels of being.  In his words, we tend to have more "baggage" on these kinds of exploration trips.

   Our perceptual sense and abilities gets ever more clear (in the spiritual sense), holistic, intuitive, connected to Source, etc. the more we raise the vibrational pattern within and phase into more expanded/faster vibratory and subtle dimensions.

  But, the only problem with that, is that for most people, it tends to be less clear in the physical sense, and the reason why is because of the greater vibrational/frequency difference between the two levels (physical and whatever).  Our remembrance and perceptions of such levels tend to be more subtle and dream like until we are really practiced, really intune, and are both balancing and speeding up all our vibratory levels to that original Spirit/1st Cause/Source Consciousness.

When we do that, we become like "He/She" and there is no need or experience of physical death or any kind of unconsciousness at all, because we are aware of existing within all levels simultaneously, but our consciousness really exists in and from Spirit (this takes such an attunement to and livingness of PUL). 

  Again, i suspect the reason of why you are having a difficult time with initially phasing out (or "in" if you prefer) through the classic OBE which is so strongly connected to our etheric body and to our 2nd/3rd Chakra levels is because your vibratory patterns are innately faster vibratory and more expanded than that and it's natural for your consciousness to phase in via say the mental body and say the 5th Center. 

  Course, since it's all connected, it's a more interactive system than that--i'm kind of generalizing to make some points here.

  It's not an uncommon experience for people to initially phase into their etheric body/2nd-3rd Center levels and start with a classic OBE perceptual framework and then as they "up their vibrationonal level of their consciousness" the experience and perceptions start to change and it starts feeling less like a classic OBE.

Both my wife and i have experience with this.

  Re: Rosiland and her advice to you, i can't say why she advised that or comment too much on it.  I will say though, as much as i respect and like her, i don't think she had conscious access to the degree of wisdom, holistic knowledge, etc. that came through her Guidance during those special sessions.  Particularly "Ah So" seems to be a really intune and aware Helper.

  So, personally, i would err on the side of Ah So's advice and knowledge. 

  He or her guidance recommended occasional fasting, but more in the sense of cleansing, balancing, and strengthening the physical body so that more energy was freed up on the nonphysical levels of Being, and thus it would make it easier for the physical level to consciously perceive and experience the less physical and completely nonphysical levels.

When our physical bodies are imbalanced, toxic, etc., our consciousness has to work more on sending in through energy to help keep our vehicle working and balanced enough to keep living. 

  Fasting is one way to help our consciousness correct the physical imbalances in order to free up energy and focus for other experiences and phasings.  We also tend to become less attached to the physical during fasting, which also makes it easier to phase and perceive the various less physical and completely nonphysical levels of being. 

  The above is a mix of my own guidance about this issue along with a good dose of what Rosie's guidance said and hinted as related in her sessions. 

 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:28am
9/10/2010 - afternoon session:

Two steps backward.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Last two sessions relaxation not coming is easily… not sure I got into f10 in this phase.…

JOOB condition C:

First thing to appear was three portraits on a wall one was Nicoli Tesla I believe… toward the end of the session a fundamental body bobble… a shaking of the fb like a bobble head…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 10th, 2010 at 5:50pm
9/10/2010 - 2nd afternoon session:

Decidedly a leap forward.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Back in the relaxation groove… nice move to f10

JOOB condition C:

Very light… I have four legs… at the calf down… got a solid ball signal… right ear it got very pronounced… then reduced to a light buzzing… fundamental body shift around the brow level… not exactly sure why I am not separating… at one point got great visuals of platinum metal machinery engaging... gears turning... at this point my heart chakra jolted... I thought I was there but it subsided...

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 11th, 2010 at 12:17pm

9/11/2010 - morning session:

One step backward??!! Not sure what this session was… but it clearly emphasizes the stochastic nature of what we are doing and one just lives with it.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxations comes in… but not as strongly… strange energy conversion… everything moves into my brain… not sure when the disk transitioned…


JOOB condition D:

Clearly I had an audio shutdown… I usually hear the light click of the disc change… but I was clearly in ‘D’… don’t know which focus level the colors begin… but this is my usual purple or royal blue pulsing light… a vertical red line appeared… music…

Note on Perceiver/Interpreter work:

For some reason in the disc session nothing much happens… my P/I is very tame… but I am working with in my waking state… this is very interesting watching how the images trigger the Interpreter and long chatters ensue… attempting to catch the triggers at the moment they occur is like chasing a will - o - the - wisp…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 11th, 2010 at 5:01pm
9/11/2010 - 2nd morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation descent changed again… energy streaming right thumb…

http://www.dorlingkindersley-uk.co.uk/static/cs/uk/11/features/reflexology/handchart.html

This very interesting… the spine is indicated… don’t remember that happening before… but the shusumna may be starting to get into the picture…

Definitely got to f10

JOOB condition D:

During the affirmation I became confused but I now know that is because I am in the borderland and I need to stay in the borderland… ftriple light pulse… purple or royal blue… leg jolt… (obe)… heard three knocks… (obe)… a golden disk appeared… (the oversoul??!!) it turned maroon on the top left creating a crescent shape… lower left I became aware of a Constantine type figure looking at it in profile holding a sword in his right hand pointing to the ground…

My brain is amost rigid… something is going on with my brain… saw a maroon spermatozoa like figure squiggle across right to left in what would be my neocortex or left frontal lobe area…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 11th, 2010 at 7:38pm
9/11/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Back in the relaxation groove… f10

JOOB condition D:

Almost immediately I got into the visualization mode… attempted sensing rather than replicating physical sense mode… then a powerful sound buzzing came in… the area around my head seemed to get sucked into a vacuum and two conical like forms materialized and twisted… I attempted to let it happen… go… go… go… but it all just suddenly stopped….

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 12th, 2010 at 12:39am

Seraphis1 wrote on Sep 11th, 2010 at 7:38pm:
9/11/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

JOOB condition D:

Almost immediately I got into the visualization mode… attempted sensing rather than replicating physical sense mode… then a powerful sound buzzing came in… the area around my head seemed to get sucked into a vacuum and two conical like forms materialized and twisted… I attempted to let it happen… go… go… go… but it all just suddenly stopped….

S.


Hi: The more I think about it the more I think this single event is of major importance going forward. It means my persistence is paying off. I’m wondering if this is a ‘wahunka’ event between my ears instead of in the cerebellum where Moen experienced it. I am really looking forward to the coming days as I go deeper and deep with condition ‘D’ which is effectively triggering wonderful stuff.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Sep 13th, 2010 at 12:48am
No one's really explained it to me, but when I get very relaxed and can feel my self separating (it's almost like someone lifting a bedsheet, that's what it feels like to me) I get limbs that feel like they are twisted. This happens primarily to my arms. It gets painful too.

The only thing I can come up with is that I am one twisted sister...lol

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 13th, 2010 at 1:24am

goobygirl wrote on Sep 13th, 2010 at 12:48am:
No one's really explained it to me, but when I get very relaxed and can feel my self separating (it's almost like someone lifting a bedsheet, that's what it feels like to me) I get limbs that feel like they are twisted. This happens primarily to my arms. It gets painful too.

The only thing I can come up with is that I am one twisted sister...lol


Hi Googby: As far a I know these are all symptoms of the obe... I assume you have read Robert Bruce... the reason you don't seem to know you are in an obe is that you have not shifted your poc into the rtz.. double... when you shift the poc... then it begins to record memories that are unique and separate for the physical body identities memory... when you reenter your physical body you need to quickly record on paper of tape the rtz... doubles memory while they are still available... if you are aware of the astral experience from the physical identity and the physical identity... robert bruce calls this a mindsplit.

That is Robert Bruces major theoretical discovery.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 13th, 2010 at 7:33pm

9/13/2010 - afternoon session:

This was the best session yet!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation comes in easily into f10. Immediately got imaging… saw a canyon, blue sky between high walls…


JOOB condition D:

Whishing sound… I’ve been here before… I am looking out of the pineal gland under the frontal lobes into deep space… a sparkly blue dot of like flashes (this is the oversoul)… my television screen forms… Arabic or Hebrew script forms which I cannot read…

I reach f21 out to the border now edge of the mind it is very black and a edge like nebula like light formation stretches across my field of vision… I heard my guide Sibelius identify himself and he tells me I am at the edge of f21...

My solar plexus chakra constructing some kind of machinery mass… everything is quite platinum looking…

My brain is like in a vise… the fundamental energy body is active… I think I am building a rtz… double… one that will be quite spectacular in capabilities…

I feel the steady persistent work I have done to satisfy all the conditions before moving to the next disk is paying off… but, the diaphramtic breathing skill is perfecting to such an extend I now have build a prana bridge and I actually don’t have to breath at all… this is why the Tibetans and Yogi’s stress diaphragmatic breathing so much it had astral properties…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by goobygirl on Sep 14th, 2010 at 1:56am
Seraphis: I have Astral Dynamics and MAP, just haven't gone all through them yet. This has happened to me a lot, so I need to read up, I guess. Sometimes both arms will feel as though they are bent backwards and other times I literally cannot feel my fingers touching anything and it feels as though there is goo between my astral hand/arm and my physical body.

I have wondered about it, whether I was partially out or that I'm in pain because I'm somehow holding on to my physical or that I'm so messed up etherically that it is all twisted. I wonder if I had a really bad death the last time. That's the things I've pondered, but I will read more and think on these things further.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 14th, 2010 at 7:09pm

9/14/2010 - afternoon session:

Something is going on with my brain.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Gradual descent into relaxation state… imaging is now coming in in the relaxation phase… lush green garden of some sort… f10...


JOOB condition D:

Seem to want to count to f21... Sibelious is there… I can’t see him… but I am on the edge of the mind but still aware of poc… inside my brain… everything is quite metallic like I am in a space ship… breathing tube forms… but doesn’t remain… I am suddenly aware of the beetles song … here comes the sun… I anticipate the coming or appearance of the oversoul disk but… it doesn’t materialize… now the frontal lobes are active, then the cerebral cortex…. Sphere of metallic lights… appears…. Wants to burst forth…

http://deardesigners.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/moonstruck-sphere-table-lamp.jpg

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 15th, 2010 at 5:51pm

9/15/2010 - afternoon session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Last two sessions have been duds. I’ve been bored out of my gourd. I think I am becalmed. It is possible that the nervous system can only take so much energy surges… and then it goes dead… regenerating… that is odd…

Then in a exercise I seldom do I get a surprise.

Relaxation phase:

Going into relaxation easily… f10


JOOB condition D:

Dead nothing. Bored. Want to abort. But know that is not a good idea. The way out is the way through as the saying goes. Everything happens for a reason.

[/b]AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.[/b]

This is an exercise I seldom do at the moment… but I decide to do it and exercise my ability to work with the I/P. But, I get kind of an in and out of the consciousness state… my head gets buzzing and I see what I can only describe as Russion iconography… a portrain it is in a gold frame… and bright yellow background… a bald pated monk(??) is kneeing hands in the praying mode in the lower right looking all saintly… a bishop like figure is standing in the left frame with a staff… looking on…

Colors like this:

http://www.bluesurfart.com/bmz_cache/6/61442ceab68d1b1ddf629550a76b437c.image.127x155.jpg

Subject like this:

http://www.transfigurationofchrist.org/images/church/russian_icons.jpg

Didn’t have presence of mind enough to ask interpreter what it is…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 16th, 2010 at 11:04am
9/16/2010 - morning session:

If you are serious about the work from the Monroe point of view… this is the definitive site to use as a guide to your daily exercises (many thanks to forkfuls) http://focus-4.es.tl/WELCOME.htm. It explains the focus levels in detail, how to work in them and how the classic obe and phasing differ and why.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Difficult getting into relaxed state… but slowing begin to descend…


JOOB condition D:

Finally make it to f10 well into the JOOB cut… good sound contact… royal blue lights…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 16th, 2010 at 4:05pm
9/16/2010 - 2nd morning session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation still not coming in quickly… didn’t get to f10 until I was in JOOB.

JOOB condition D:

Not much happening… quiet… f10 finally… Brain flash… buzzing sound and pressure in temple area… finally I see a man in beige t-shirt and jeans with a pot belly standing in my doorway… I ask if he is a guide… some non-equivocal answer arrives… I attempt to shift poc into him nothing…

Now that I have read Kepple it is making a kind of sense…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 17th, 2010 at 11:35am
9/17/2010 - morning session:

This session has taken on a new and different character… again!!  But it is much stronger tho seemingly a step backward… but in light of the Kepple info I think the path will be much more productive. In my new state I am now moving into the I/P cut with more confidence and effectiveness.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation not coming in the same way it did… I am much  closer to C1 for longer…

JOOB condition D:

Took a while to get to f10... But it was a stronger state than before… the kepple material is very useful for focus level orientation.

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Stayed the course and paying attention… will stick with this until I fulfill the conditions… things are looking up.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 17th, 2010 at 3:56pm
9/17/2010 - 2nd morning session:

The Kepple documents are amazingly fruitful in their ability to shed light on the focus level and how to recognize them

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation was almost immediate… f10

JOOB condition D:

The session was alive with astral sensations almost immediately got into the purple light pulse (kepple suggests this is f12 phenomena)… got to f21 made contact with my guide… Sibelius… but I don’t clearly see him… got a clear vocal… once… the one thing that has been missing in all my sessions is the sense of separation or ability to walk about the astral… but Kepple says developing the ability to master ‘intent’ is the key to that so I am going to ad the Silly little finger exercise to the mix…

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Beginning to respond to this exercise… some volitional difficult around responding to the prompting because I am so deep I have a very slow comprehension/response time and this puts me well behind on the Moen command prompts and my response and overlaping prompts…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 18th, 2010 at 12:19am
9/17/2010 - Evening session:

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1,5 : JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Relaxation coming in smoothly.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

This exercise is designed to get you sensitive to what happens just before the finger moves after the intent command to move is delivered…

JOOB condition D:

Got a major bubble release of the rtz-double… but it snapped back in… I realized I am really clinging to the physical reality… this is why I can exit when I do draconian things like fast and deprive myself of sleep… it loosens the grip on the physical… but I do have a deep psychological freeze factor in leaping into voids… I remember my freezing up when I was supposed to just jump off a cliff into a river below… I just couldn’t make myself do it… I think that mechanism is at work here..

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Sep 20th, 2010 at 7:41pm
9/20/2010 - afternoon session:

Notice to the people who have been following this thread here. I will no longer be posting here.. For all intents and purposes tho I did not achieve the classic obe… I did satisfy the conditions of JOOB and made contact with my primary guide Sibelious in F21… and in this session I seemed to have picked up another female guide in a blue gown… this means that I am phasing now rather than obe..iing in the classic sense… kind of what Justin was talking about but through the work of Frank Kepple I have a clear understanding of what he is saying and attempting to teach… I am now going to proceed to finish the AKG Book and disk exercises and will be posting only in http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=guidebook the rest of the way.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1: JOOB disc set: condition D: AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Relaxation phase:

Still using the relaxation cut… but with a new twist… in the gospel according to Kepple… the more you attempt to relax the less likely it is that you will relax because you focus is on the body… let the body take care of itself and allow yourself to shift focus (phase)…

JOOB condition D:

Reached f21 fairly quickly made contact with my primary guide and picked up a new female guide… 

AKG disk 1: cut 6: Interpreter/perceiver exercise.

Didn’t do this exercise.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 1st, 2010 at 11:59pm
Posting this because of a major success in realization.

10/1/2010 - afternoon session:

Well folks I solved it!!! The Bulmann seminar gave me the answer but I just realized it.

The affirmation is -

Now I am out-of-body


It doesn’t matter what exercise you do if you repeat this affirmation and you focus on “I”… you will phase or obe… eventually for the simple reason that you will be centered at some point in the “I” which is the Point-of-consciousness, the real you… as you let go of body consciousness the body will sleep, if you get the body asleep… the automatic projection mechanism MUST activate!!! You really have no form. The form you assume is a identity need… we are pure consciousness in the end.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Very smoothly into f10.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

The affirmation overroad consciousness of the exercise.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

The affirmation overroad consciousness of the exercise.

Imagination exercise 1

The affirmation overroad consciousness of the exercise.

joob d

The exit is now highly probably in the next few days.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 7:06pm
10/2/2010 - afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Relaxing to f10 is now simple.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Some consciousness of the exercise instruction but the affirmation tends to override consciousness of the exercise.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Some consciousness of the exercise instruction but the affirmation tends to override consciousness of the exercise.

Imagination exercise 1

Some consciousness of the exercise instruction but the affirmation tends to override consciousness of the exercise.

joob d

Outstanding…!!! three knocks, full body o.b.e.. momentary!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 8th, 2010 at 11:26am
10/8/2010 - morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

Now I am doing the exercises separately. I am both discouraged and encouraged. Discouraged because I have done obe… so easily under spontaneous conditions… but, controlled and conscious seems so impossible… and I don’t have any volitional, or operational capability to induce the state of mind needed… it is either there or it isn’t. I can feel the solidity of my physical world lockin and have no ability to unlock it… I have ideas about what is locking me in but I am in a rural area where to find the right hypnotist of the Dr Brian Weiss school would require driving 300 miles to an appointment. But I am encouraged because this session had a very fine fundamental body movement which was more than the usual subtle action.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Didn’t get into relaxation as quickly. May not have achieve f10 until the end of the cut

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Able to do the exercise and noted an awareness growing as to the moment of the move which is the condition of the exercise… and something added getting this intention ability is of course a big thing.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Still no improvement getting a session flow.

Imagination exercise 2

Somehow I lost this exercise.

joob d

Very strong but visualization seems quite hazy now. This seems to be not unusual. Buhlman says visualizations have a shelf-life. But did imagine my movement through the TMI campus. But the unique thing was toward the end of the exercise… I got a real fundamental body shift and isolation signal… I got the buzzing and sounds… the ringing and three knocks…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 10th, 2010 at 8:46pm
Breakthrough!!!

10/10/2010 - afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body

I have now achieve a state of mind which I identify as f21... I was not classically out of body but I am definitely holding my position in the f21 territory and for those of you who know the AKG - continuum scale I would say I am on a scale of 1 to 100 I vacillate between 5 and 60. That is I sometimes know what is happening with out seeing it clearly and at times I see it happening. This is quite wonderful. I believe I am on my way… this is a major development. An unqualified success… I invite all of you to participate. There is a paradox in the world of obe work… most of us have o.b.e.’s in the classical manner seeming to be out the body… there is another phenomena which Buhlman describes in his Adventure… in which there is an inward movement that takes place from the rtz-double… another body obe’s from the rtz-double… but this one moves inward… it is a difficult concept but is the one Monroe has called phasing… I have phased and it is quite stable.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 3; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Got into the relaxation mode very easily… achieved f10... Something happened… I went inward… my consciousness separated inward not outward…   

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Did this exercise with clarity and from this inward state.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Now I have a grip on this exercise but not the way Moen is attempting to teach. My years of control of the monkey mind is paying off with more perceiver imaging and a clear idea of a continuity of knowing of what it I am effecting… reached f21 in this exercise… made contact with my primary guide and had a conversation with him… I went to my Roman portico residence and made contact with the two goddesses that live with me there… one looks like Isabella rosellini, the other claims she is Athena Tristageminus.

Imagination exercise 3

Picked up spam (the food) not part of the exercise. Saw the orange as per the exercise, peeled it… smelled the citrus odor and tasted the cool flowing juice of the orange…

joob d

Began to attempt to travel with the awareness now command and the clarity now command… tho I am stably in the f21 state and should be able to travel… I am being cautious because I don’t want to be disappointed or over do my new found abilities… I will now attempt to build on them in the coming sessions.

This is definitely OUTSTANDING!!

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 11th, 2010 at 12:44am
10/10/2010 - Evening session:

Now I am out-of-body

Now the fun begins. Up to now it has all been work, grind and not sure if I could really do it. This session took off on its own in the direction of a classic obe. Setting up vibrations, sounds and lots of bells and whistles.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Right into f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:

The session went its own way.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

The session went its own way.

Imagination exercise 2

The session went its own way.

joob d

All the bells and whistles began to really kick in.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 12th, 2010 at 11:27pm
10/12/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body

Amazing session!!! Moved to imagination exercise 4.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 4; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Fairly quickly into relaxed state…

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Got an curious flash of a white dragon head with teeth as I bent the finger… not sure what that means.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Oh my, saw the head of Tony Curtis. As I was attempting to just slough it off it was persistent… I asked for the help of my guide… he said engage it… then I had a conversation with Tony and finally asked if he was ready to move to another state of mind… as I took his hand I began to ascend… then we hit a place where all his buddies… Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis jr and a whole crowd of people famous and (I think Marilyn Monroe) gathered around… I couldn't get him to leave… then it began to descend in to a sex orgy (maybe the sex pile)… I quickly covered myself in the white protective light… I attempted to disengage… with some difficulty… but then I put the whole package into the Energy Conversion Box. That seemed to help.

Imagination exercise 2

I did well on this exercise feeling my nose with my finger and then feeling my finger with my nose…

joob d

This was exciting Buhlman says when you do the mantra ‘Now, I am out of body’ and you feel any separation at all then get away from your body… I then flew to TMI - Nancy Penn Center the open lawn where the crystal stands… I distinctly felt myself high above the crystal then I descended to give it a hug… (kept up the mantra)... I went to the Laure Monroe plaque, floated to the living room touched the chessboard… went into the white room touched the iron stove… over to the chalk board… then I shot out of the roof flew over to the Monroe’s Mountain Home hovered over the Crystal up there and as I was descending to hug the crystal I picked up the signal of a fellow female student… I knew we had done lifelines at the Nancy Penn center… but did not know if she ever visited Monroe’s mountain… I then went into the home to the downstairs Monroe private library where when I did Guidelines I was guided to a book on sex by Robert himself… (odd…)… then I decided to visit a GPS satellite… (just bought a gps system for my car) wonder if it is the one I make contact with… )… went to Mars looking for a rover… then I decided this was unbelievable and ended the session halfway through…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 15th, 2010 at 6:37pm
10/15/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body

Alert!! Has anyone visited the Oval Office o.b.e… can you verify that there is an energy field around it and the white house… I couldn’t get in… I was in the Congressional Chamber that was easy.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 4; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Not getting into the relaxed state easily… not sure why.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Now things are going a bit out of control.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Imagination exercise 2

joob d

Almost from the start I was obe… then decided to get away from my body by going to TMI… the crystal at Nancy Penn, Monroe plaque, chess set… (there may be activity in the center… not sure seemed cloudy in there… not absolutely aware of people)… went up to crystal on Roberts mountain… I seem not to be able to hold my position in a specific spot… have to keep moving… went to the moon… then decided to visit the capitol, the Washington monument, was in the stairwell… but… decide to go to the white house… was outside the gate… then tried to go in… couldn’t do it… then decided to go into the Oval office… couldn’t do it… that is quite odd…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 16th, 2010 at 12:10pm
10/16/2010 - morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

The belief system backlash.

I’ve shaken up my belief system network. I haven’t been reporting all the session stuff particularly the fallow unproductive ones… but, they may be just as important… I feel like a single loading musket… after The breakthrough… I had a couple of dead sessions in which I could almost do nothing as it the nervous system can take only so much energy and it goes numb…

Now, I discovered the belief system barrier I have to overcome of dissolve… it appeared in the form of a Ashkenazi jewish rabbi

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d4zmqSfE-J8/THG4YPeEdcI/AAAAAAAAFQw/mGui06dRV38/s1600/Chief+Rabbi+Yona+Metzger3.jpg

I am not sure exactly what their beliefs are but my impression is that all this nonphysical stuff is evil and of the dark forces… so somehow I have to dissolve him like all the other demons I have encountered.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 4; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Now things are going a bit out of control.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Imagination exercise 2

joob d

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 11:00am
10/18/2010 - morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

The Buhlman seminar’s after effects… a belief system crisis.

The Ashkenazi belief system shake up. My present belief system crisis began on 10/16/2010 when that session produced a demon in the form of an Ashkenazi Rabbi:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d4zmqSfE-J8/THG4YPeEdcI/AAAAAAAAFQw/mGui06dRV38/s1600/Chief+Rabbi+Yona+Metzger3.jpg

Since then I have developed a welt on the right side of my head. Came out of a session soaking with sweat and a left side energy streaming effect… and now this dream which suggests I have fears I did not know I had and they are a barrier to moving forward…

The Dream:

I am in a kind of warehouse setting with a Hispanic type character who is preparing heroin. I am adamant that I will not partake… he agrees… then suddenly I am overwhelmed by him and a female addict and given a shot… I stumble into the street headed for my Mercedes… in a daze… a big black man comes out of no where and says he wants a ride… I yell, ‘…get away from me…’ I am alarmed I am in a gang neighborhood…  he opens the door to the back seat… I scream, ‘… I
am going to call the police…’ I run looking for a phone… I am on a street car track platform… can’t find a phone… but realize I have a cell phone… attempt to call 911... Can’t do it… numbers won’t form… in a panic… wake up…

Interpretation:

In the last few sessions after the Ashkenazi signal some ominous looking beings have been trying to come through I have attempted to allow them to materialize since I know they will dissolve when they are exposed to the light of recognition but they seem elusive and fade back into the ethers as soon as they begin to appear… I think this dream represents lost of control… the heroin represents the non-physical world of stochastic event potential of which I will have to flow with and not necessarily have any control of... my underlying belief system is apparently …looking for control and predictability…

The big black man… represents my fears… they are want to ride in the back seat and be there as a threat all the time… I don’t want that… I want police protection…

This belief system crisis is a problem since I have no answer to its resolution accept to adhere to the concept that… The way out is the way through… perseverance… try to allow everything to come up… I don’t know why the dream didn’t go lucid… there were so many signals that I was dreaming… that might have helped.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 18th, 2010 at 8:45pm

Seraphis1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 11:05am:
10/18/2010 - morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

The Buhlman seminar’s after effects… a belief system crisis.

The Ashkenazi belief system shake up. My present belief system crisis began on 10/16/2010 when that session produced a demon in the form of an Ashkenazi Rabbi:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_d4zmqSfE-J8/THG4YPeEdcI/AAAAAAAAFQw/mGui06dRV38/s1600/Chief+Rabbi+Yona+Metzger3.jpg

Since then I have developed a welt on the right side of my head. Came out of a session soaking with sweat and a left side energy streaming effect… and now this dream which suggests I have fears I did not know I had and they are a barrier to moving forward…


Hi All: Little by little the significance of the key symbol in my current belief system crisis is unfolding… the Ashkenazi symbol represents orthodoxy… as a Cancerian conservatism fits well with my underlying belief system structure… (none of these things are known to me directly) I am only becoming aware of them as I continue to attempt to get into the non-physical universe… I have now hit a clear subconscious substrata of belief system barriers that need to breakdown… when you get beyond the Monroevian focus 21 territories… the mind communicates in a non-verbal language… orthodoxy and conservatism cannot understand symbolism, innuendo, subtlety and intuition… they can only grasp objective reality… the focus 21 and above territories are all subjective/objective reality…

The plot thickens.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 19th, 2010 at 12:04am

Seraphis1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 8:39pm:
Hi All: Little by little the significance of the key symbol in my current belief system crisis is unfolding… the Ashkenazi symbol represents orthodoxy… as a Cancerian conservatism fits well with my underlying belief system structure… (none of these things are known to me directly) I am only becoming aware of them as I continue to attempt to get into the non-physical universe… I have now hit a clear subconscious substrata of belief system barriers that need to breakdown… when you get beyond the Monroevian focus 21 territories… the mind communicates in a non-verbal language… orthodoxy and conservatism cannot understand symbolism, innuendo, subtlety and intuition… they can only grasp objective reality… the focus 21 and above territories are all subjective/objective reality…

The plot thickens.

S.


Outstanding!!! No sooner than I am able to interpret and recognize the meaning of a non-verbal communication something happens:

10/18/2010 – Evening session:

The session progressed very well… energy streaming right side, off buttocks and thigh… well being… a lot of itching around the face… began to use the itching not there technique that seems to work… some fundamental body activity… then in the center of my brain… a shattering of like shale… crumbling off… I think the disintegration of my encrusted belief systems are now beginning to fall apart.

S. 

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 19th, 2010 at 10:55am

Seraphis1 wrote on Oct 18th, 2010 at 8:39pm:
Hi All: Little by little the significance of the key symbol in my current belief system crisis is unfolding… the Ashkenazi symbol represents orthodoxy… as a Cancerian conservatism fits well with my underlying belief system structure… (none of these things are known to me directly) I am only becoming aware of them as I continue to attempt to get into the non-physical universe… I have now hit a clear subconscious substrata of belief system barriers that need to breakdown… when you get beyond the Monroevian focus 21 territories… the mind communicates in a non-verbal language… orthodoxy and conservatism cannot understand symbolism, innuendo, subtlety and intuition… they can only grasp objective reality… the focus 21 and above territories are all subjective/objective reality…

The plot thickens.

S.


Outstanding!!! No sooner than I am able to interpret and recognize the meaning of a non-verbal communication something happens:

10/18/2010 – Evening session:

The session progressed very well… energy streaming right side, off buttocks and thigh… well being… a lot of itching around the face… began to use the itching not there technique that seems to work… some fundamental body activity… then in the center of my brain… a shattering of like shale… crumbling off… I think the disintegration of my encrusted belief systems are now beginning to fall apart.

S.

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10/19/2010

Very encouraging dream:

I was in my garage looking out on a street in which in the middle of it was my car (a mustang or Mercedes) which was for sale… it was blue… people were looking at it.

Interpretation:

Looking out of the garage door… this symbolized my shift from my personality (the car and the pituitary gland… the seat of the personality) to my watcher self which is seated in the pineal gland… looking out from an inner deeper position into the wider world or universe… I want to get rid of my current belief system mindset…
Resolution:

I am looking forward to the coming sessions… stay tuned..

S.




Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:55pm
10/19/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body


I am awestruck!!

The condition JOOB instruction set says:

“Condition C is characterized by the shutting down of various sensory mechanism inputs. The sense of touch apparently goes first. You seem to have no feeling in any part of your body. Smell and taste soon follow. The auditory signals are next, and the last to fade out is vision.”

I’ve been doing these exercises for sometime now and I got all the shutdowns - touch, smell, and taste… I think or maybe I was confusing numbness and paralysis with shutdowns… but, in todays exercise I experienced the auditory click off… twice in the session each time there was no mistaking the auditory turn off… I have in my room a constant hum of the air conditioning… that hum completely turned off!! I heard a loud pop at the beginning of the session in my left ear that seemed to extend out from my head a bit… this was an amazing session!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Getting easier and easier. 

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

See opening blurb… the whole session is intergrated into one experience. The mantra is really powerful now.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 22nd, 2010 at 11:48am
10/22/2010 - Morning session:

Now I am out-of-body

The workman like day to day progress is a big surprise to me. From the books you get the idea that one day you just o.b.e. and live happily ever after. I don’t remember any book talking about the day to day physiology of one’s progress to being a Traveler. They always have some earth shaking experience and suddenly they never look back. Monroe fell out of his body and had a few years of anxiety over the experience… but what happened before physiologically, of course, he didn’t know where he was going I do.

I just came off a dry spell in which I could not even visualize with imagination.

But this morning I was right on the razor’s edge of a very powerful o.b.e. event… the buzzing came in, the vibrations which with me usually start in my feet and legs and defy my commands to spread… this morning they spread… the click off of auditory happened for a longer period…

What I haven’t got and it is frustrating is the ability to ‘intend’ and have my intent obeyed or executed… this is a big secret… volition!!!

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

There is something odd about my inability to consistently get into the f10 state quickly I was well into the Perceiver/Interpeter phase before I reached f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

See opening blurb… the whole session is intergrated into one experience. The mantra is really powerful now.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 24th, 2010 at 1:54pm
10/24/2010 - Morning session:

Now I am out-of-body


What I regard as stepping back, but, is probably part of the nature of the work. You just can’t maintain high levels of intensity… the human aspect of what we do is subject to parabolic wave progressions. Robert Bruce once told me that a major event if you are unprepared energetically for it will keep you from experiencing the non-physical for months… I don’t do a lot of energy work so I guess I am paying that price… the best I could do recently in one session was a five pointed royal blue star in the upper right of my view field, then I got a Porky Pig apparition which broke into pieces like a shattered glass figurine… (what is with these cartoon characters and the non-physical… Moen had a vision with some ‘whiplash’ character), then two session in which I was absolutely stalled… I now got into a very powerful body asleep state mind awake... but the mind awake does nothing and I hit a wall of nothing happening and I get the urge to come out and I have closed down what would be an hour session to a half hour...

Well I figured the stalling and the static situation would not last. This mornings session was quite interesting in that I heard the music... I didn't call it up but, it surprised me... then, something unique happened that I have no idea what it means except that I feel better physically... a mass dropped off me... I just felt it fall away... what it was I don't know... but it definitely was a mass of some sort... and it did result in some kind of physiological change. Wonder what it was...???

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Slow to get into f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:

This exercise was done with conscious awareness but not aware of the intention flash point.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

See opening blurb…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 24th, 2010 at 7:36pm
Hi All: The session notes below through out the exercise series. I don’t have the areas well segregated… what I don’t under stand is why my commands were not responded to… I clearly was not in the astra…. So where was I… this is also clearly another episode of stalling… the literature does not cover this kind of thing… anyone with ideas or who have experienced this kind of thing I would appreciate a validation that this is happening to others..

10/24/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body


Sharp string pain right thigh… looking down a corridor… an energy cocoon develops as I respond to Moen’s prompt to create energy from above… the focus is on my forehead… lots of pressure… energy pressure… the energy is not swirling but kind of static and there… in a huge auditorium… in the upper gallery is a kind of broadcasting studio… a white haired man wearing a red t-shirt who looks like Phil Donahue is the moderator… I hear nothing… in the lower portions there are teaming individuals… I guess are reporters and staff at work sort of like the newsroom floor in ‘All the Presidents Men’… then the scene changes a cleae pyrex plate on the right… I am not in no-time… I feel time pressure… trying to figure out how much longer is the exercise… I have no ‘intention’ power in this place… it can’t be the astral it will not respond to my commands… ‘Now, I am out of body’ does nothing… ‘clarity now’ results in some sharping but no real clarity… ‘awareness now’ gets no response… all the pressure and activity is around my eyes… see Renaissance clothing… and costuming… woman’s face… a full face… red lips… ‘who are you?’ … ‘noone you know,’ is the answer… heart chakra blips… decide to come out of session early… check time… 30 minutes into JOOB…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Quickly into f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:

This exercise was done with conscious awareness but not aware of the intention flash point.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

See opening blurb…

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 25th, 2010 at 10:49am
10/25/2010 - Morning session:

Now I am out-of-body


Well, I think I know what the problem is now for my difficulties in the last series of sessions… an ego problem… I decided a few days ago to go a mild form of sleep deprivation going forward to get myself into the borderland state… it has worked in the past to produce a obe… but this morning I think the third day of getting up at 3am produced an odd state of alertness and C1 fixation like I was shot with adrenaline… or an upper… this should not have been the case… I should have been dragging my rear end… the session was characterized by not being able to get to f10 easily it took most of the allotted time to do in and toward the end I was getting some vibrations… the only good thing is I did get to the end of the disc… I realize now I hit an ego structure that isn’t going to give up easily… I have no solution as usual except to keep hammering and exposing the dark underbelly of my physical consciousness superstructure…

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Never got to f10 in this disc cut.

Silly Little Finger exercise:

This exercise was completed but still no awareness of the ‘intent’ originator.

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Got into f10 around here but blanked out…

Imagination exercise 2

Only vaguely aware of this exercise being prompted.

joob d

Began to get some vibrations but the disc ended.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Oct 25th, 2010 at 8:39pm
10/25/2010 - Afternoon session:

Now I am out-of-body


This session was so rich in event and imagery that it would take a book to describe it. This is the condensed version.

Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Got into relaxation fairly easily… f10 achieved at end of relaxation cut/silly little finger beginning cut.

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:

In the SLF cut I am really feeling the energy collection… I am enclosed in a cloud of energy… new phenomena… I feel as tho I am hovering above my body… (the mantra is always going… when I can put my attention on it)… body jolt around the shoulders… that’s when I realize I may actually be obe… my poc is in the energy cloud… I feel four feet… two cloudy ones and two physical ones… the energy cloud is rich with images… but predominant… is the swirl of neopoitan ice cream in a round container… strawberry, pistachio, chocolate and vanilla… the top of my nose itches… right side… (this must be where the energy cocoon (etheric double??) is touching my physical body… heart chakra jolt…

Imagination exercise 2

imagination exercise kicks in… itching continues… another heart chakra jolt… gathering energy from above… fundamental body jolt… imagining the orange, peeling it… tasting the delicious chilled orange…

joob d

Joob… now I am doing the mantra as I observe Britney Spears dancing with a flowing pastel colorful cape… now I am in f15... No time… I can do this forever… no pressure to abort… strong itch above the right breast… pressure in the middle of my forehead… gosh I gotta pee… eos…

Assesment: This is good I guess but what is missing is my ability to step into the event flow and interact… such as dancing with Britney Spears.

S.

Title: Re: 90-Day Trial: Achieve an Out of Body Experience
Post by Seraphis1 on Nov 6th, 2010 at 4:41pm
11/6/2010 - Morning session:

Note: Have put the retrieval exercises on hold for another 30 days… when I got back from the Buhlmann seminar he said to do the exercise for at least 30 days… I got so close that I decide to go 60 days and my reward is the following:


My last posting was 10/25/2010. It isn’t that I was not doing my sessions… it is I was in draught. Nothing of any note happened… to report… this change this morning.

Now I am out-of-body


I had a consciousness shift (phasing??!!) a move inward and I was prompted to change my mantra to:

Now I am an inward body


Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 2; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

The whole dynamic of relaxation has changed… I am now using diaphragmatic breathing with a lot of improvement in the expansion and control of the diaphragm and it produces a powerful deep state of relaxation… takes longer to realize f10 but it eventually kicks in…

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2

Somewhere in here the inward shift (phasing took place)

joob d

By the time I got here I was feeling great… even now the state is holding… sometimes these things fade after the session… I feel like I am a new person… I am light and happy at a very deep level of awareness of same…

I saw a kind of Little Lord Fauntleroy being appear looking something like this:

http://www.worldlymind.org/llfs06.jpg

Except that he was standing looking right, had curly platinum hair kind of like Shirley Temple:

http://witchesbrewonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Shirley-Temple.bmp

Wearind the top hat and a graduation gown with pleats..

Have I graduated??? I sure feel different. Am I a youthful being just stepping on the path toward my goals of enlightenment??? This was not a classic obe… but it sure was an inner shift (phasing???!!!)

Really looking forward to what comes next.

S.

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