Greetings,
Would any of you who have read Bruce's books like to discuss various parts of them, sort of like a book club?
We would still be adding our own experience and questions , like "After you tried ----&---- from Bk 2 ,  what was the first experience you had from it?" But we'd not have to convince anyone of anything, it would just be sharing our individual take on various parts---?

Also, or more importantly, has this been tried before and did it work?

If we do it,  shall we start at the beginning or with a later book?

Bookie bets

yes, good topic and very ON TOPIC I might add!

well before we get started Mairlyn reminded me of how I felt when I first came here 2001. so I'll share a little.  frankly I was looking for a home base, as I'd just been kicked off ACIM forum. long story. sometimes getting kicked out of places is really a good thing! haha!

I read Monroe before reading Bruce and had a spontaneous retrieval experience back in the 80's. I had mostly forgotten all about it. it had had a profound effect on me at the time though, to think about spiritual paths. also it was because Monroe wrote his book that I'd had that first retrieval under my belt.
so as I was saying I'd been flogged by the ACIM administrator, and he's supposed to be a forgiving person. ok. I think I was just surfing the internet and TMI has a website. I think I ended up there browsing and that's how I found AKC.
not thru yet. still hadn't read his books but was in for a treat. I was roped in by the story of Curiosity, as coming directly from ACIM, I was lacking that kind of explanation, which satisfied me and made sense, like we are all one kind of sense. ACIM only reprograms the mind to get that sucker more open and searching. It then ends up with "God will take the final step." so there I was hanging out in the universe wondering what the final step was. actually, I don't even care what the final step is anymore...lol...but part of that final step was to wind up here. so then I almost fell out of my chair that Bruce had ACIM listed as one of the books recommended reading, and if he had not have listed the book, I might have been tempted to seek out another ACIM forum as I was deeply entrenched only in this path. I saw TMI and ACIM did not have to necessarily be two different paths.
so then I started reading the posts here and the discussion was about retrievals which jogged my memory of that 80's retrieval. I soon started devouring Bruce's books, which was like a delightful walk in the park for me, as if you've ever studied ACIM where u are constantly reprogramming yourself, you'd know what I mean. his books were understandable, honest, he wasn't hyping anything, he just told his story and as a writer I try to keep his style in mind for my book. as well, he talks of belief systems the same as ACIM.

so, trying to be brief..    I asked Bruce about my retrieval. he gave some advice that I could return to the scene and get my own answers that way and sure enough as I returned to the scene I suddenly began to understand what retrievals are, and how we are each other's saviors when we do this, in PUL, and are able to understand that forgiving is very important part of a spiritual journey.
if Bruce had not handed out a response to me at all, I probably would have started surfing for another home; it was the idea that he cared enough to respond to us, that inspired me to stay here and see if I could add my energy here as well. and here we all are, still trucking along...lol.....I just wanted to say, I am going back into the music field and may not be here as much as I would be otherwise. but its not because I don't care about this place. I do. each person seems like they came straight out of heaven to me.

Sounds like a good idea for those interested.

I was wondering if this has been presented to Bruce? Should another forum be added for this book club?

Peace

Paradox

I think this is a fun idea.  I have to admit, I've been tempted to start threads like this but never felt it would get picked up.  I think I've tried but no one responds.  Glad we have a group who is intereted now.   

Spooky,
"A Bruce Moen CookBook" HAHAHA  That was funny.   I've had Bruce's spaghetti which was quite delicious! 

Betson, I will have to join in the comments later today, have to go to the dentist right now.   

Have fun guys. 


Vicky

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I recall that my reactions were of awe. Pure and simple. I thought that in order to see anything like Bruce had seen, that I had to go to TMI. I couldn't afford it right then, so I sent for the first 3 Waves of the home version of Gateway, the Gateway Experience. I worked and worked with those tapes everyday but I didn't get visuals but I did get messages and answers to questions. It wasn't until I actually went to TMI and took Gateway Voyage that the visuals came easily with the environment at TMI and the group energy.

When I got back from TMI, I bought my first computer, a Gateway, synchronistic since I'd just taken Gateway Voyage. My homepage became this website and THEN I learned that Bruce was doing workshops on how to do retrievals without using hemi-sync.  Then I found out about using imagination to 'prime the pump.' Then I began having visuals. Four months after taking Gateway Voyage, I did my first retrieval and this was 5 months before I took Lifeline which teaches how to do retrievals.

My whole life changed. I had a purpose, one of the purposes that I came into the physical to do. My life has never been the same since and I thank God everyday that I read Bruce's books and got on this path.

And yes, I do feel that Bruce's imagery of cables and disk did have something to do with his being an engineer. Bets, I'd never thought of this until you mentioned it. Thank you. You've opened my consciousness up more.

With Love and Gratitude,
Mairlyn

Thank you for your response Marilyn.

Paradox

Hi there Alysia,

I don't mind getting off track now and then and having fun, and most of the time really good things come from that.  I tend to get off topic myself sometimes.  I just don't want those negative folks out there to squash our fun.  It has happened all too many times before. (PS--This place is a lot of fun, yes, but I don't know...a barrel of monkeys sounds like a LOT of fun... ) 

I like your answers, they are well said.  I especially like "and had unknowingly created an intention with my curiosity..." Yes I agree!  This is exactly what happens--glad you pointed out that concept, it makes a lot of sense.

Love,
Vicky

What you are saying makes me think about a problem I have...well, it's not really a problem but a block I guess. 

Strong curiousity and strong intention seem to always prove to work great if they are more spontaneous. 

But if there is something I feel very strongly emotional about, it can be much harder for me to concentrate on it and I can't clearly set my intention.  I guess my emotions get in the way and I end up basically fretting about it.  Is this due to a form of doubt or worry?

Not all seems to be lost in that kind of situation though.  What I find I end up doing is spending time thinking it through each day and eventually I work through it but it is a slow and painful process when you have to sit with all those emotions. 

So then this has made me wonder...does our emotional fret and worry end up causing a particular result in a situation that might have otherwise had a different turnout?  I wonder how much "power" our thoughts have that we are not aware of (speaking in terms of our emotions).

That's what I mean...It's easy to do when I am not very, very emotional about it.  I know it has to do with feeling that emotional connection.  So how do I work around that emotional aspect?  How does one rise above it to view the situation from a higher perspective?  I know it's possible because I've done it (with a job once), but for the life of me I can't explain the process.  Wish I knew the trick.

Hi Vicky..seems you are talking about setting intention..and its easy sometimes and not easy other times? that maybe if you are too emotional then you are blocking the intention?
yea, Bruce talks about this in one of his books. he was at TMI as I recall and expecting a good session and Bob came up and dashed his hopes.
tricked him I think for a good reason. when Bob did whatever he did, tweaked his mind, it released something, some expectatation perhaps, like a build up which clouds the internal view when exploring.
Bruce went back into the session with a more leveled out mind, because he had no expectations, then he had a very good session, much more so than if he had been too expectant of it.
does that make sense? probably not, lol!

well let me ramble a little. I used to meditate for peace of mind. but the more I mediated with this objective, the more that peace alluded me. my mind was always watching to see when peace would enter. with the expectation there, the mind was full of expectation and nothing else would I be aware of but this. when the mind enters a quiet place with no objective or expectation I think thats when things really start happening as it seems you're listening to god instead of talking to god, or your giving something instead of taking something. but its a precarious balance!  that reminds me of the little finger bending exercise Bruce talks about.
lol. whats he talking about? I sit here with my little finger in the air, lol, and actually bent it once literally, and I know dang well some of us here know what he meant about setting intention. I think I could talk about intention setting for ages, and still, I'd just be talking to myself, as we each must master this on our own. love, alysia

Hi Bets i would love to discuss bruces books with you and i will do later ,as i havent read any of bruces books yet ,i will have to go to the library and start reading them.God bless juditha

I just wanted to add a little to what's been said.

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He starts out his first book with quite a bang, doesn't he? Beyond the fact that he was retrieving people, which I'd never heard of and the emotions that were generated, was the fact that he was doing these retrievals while eating at a restaurant. That to me is just mind blowing. Now I've done retrievals while looking at the computer screen or TV, but I've been alone, not a bunch of people around me eating and me eating too.

Another thing is that in doing retrievals in an emotional situation, I've never been emotional until the retrieval is done and then I have to release all the emotions taken on. I thought that 9-11 was going to be very emotional for me, but it wasn't until afterwards when it all hit me. We have to remember to release the emotions that we take on from others.

Love, Mairlyn

Yes, Alysia I do understand now.  Thanks for labeling it with a single word I can relate to.  Expectation.  You are right, with a lot of emotion I have expectation which is a mental block.  I get it now!  I must go write that one down so I don't forget it again. This is a good thread.

Hi all,
Betson wrote: >>>whether we almost immediately sensed changes in our own body's energy system/ patterns<<<
I mentioned my blood pressure, but in that period of time, there came three things together for me: An important personal decision I had to made, then 9/11 which I saw live on tv, and Bruce's first three books which I read really fast.
I would say, the books changed my thoughts immensely. My thinking circulated permanently around the things I had read, I even started to think in English though I'm German. So, it was clear, it wouldn't be without effect what I had read. And I remember, I even thought it is too much for me. So, it was such fascinating, but it was hard too, so must have been that I was changing, and change often is hard.

Spooky

hi there...I have a list of the focus levels: I'll go get them.

Focus Levels:

Focus 10 -- Mind awake, body asleep

Focus 12 -- Expanded mind

Focus 15 -- No time, view past lives, future lives

Focus 21 -- The bridge to the afterlife

Focus 22 -- place where Alzheimers patients,
drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. hang
out

Focus 23 -- Afterlife where souls get stuck

Focus 24, 25, 26 -- Belief system territories

Focus 27 -- The Park, TMI There, Reception
Center, etc.

your attention is a function of your energy being-creative

your mind simply responds to your attention. (courtesy of Mr Cozzolino, author of the Path.)

I have never been a numbers sort of gal so whenever I needed to do a retrieval or explore I just closed my eyes and waited for an image then I asked guides to assist me with it. so I have no input in regards to the numbering of levels. I rather subscribe to a spider web theory of levels rather than the stacked on top image of levels..the spider web image means you sit in the center of your web and can feel resonations from each layer all at once.
hugs, alysia

in regards to priming the pump I have done that sometimes, but my favorite way of exploring I got from Bruce's books has to do with the phrase "to play along."  when doubts say, u are being silly, u are wasting time, you should go do some work...these are doubts and I would remember that I was "playing along."

it is very easy if u are a person who likes to have fun anyway, that "playing" can mean that literally you allow yourself to enjoy it.

if I were to say how I have changed since 2001, this is interesting that I know of several others who began spiritual journeys from around 1999 to 2001.

there are too many changes to really list here, but one I really really enjoy is meeting strangers in the street or stores as I've turned into an extrovert to enjoy people. I think I have greater self confidence than I ever did in my whole life simply because this is my chosen path and of course PE and retrievals had a lot to do with it.
love, alysia

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I've spent 5 years exploring various aspects/levels. IMHO, what one gains from exploring the afterlife with no intent of making contact, expands my mind/consciousness/everything about me. Discovering for oneself that there are many realms is so exciting.

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It is an on-going process and I know it will continue. Five years as stated above. I, as an explorer, am willing to accommodate any and all changes and looking forward to more.

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To me, no words can describe it.  Except that maybe it fulfills an inner knowing and makes one feel more complete.

Love, Mairlyn

thats really interesting Mair. I do wish you'd go back and see if there's more to that image than was first revealed.

your story reminds me of something that happened to my mother. forgive me if I repeat myself. mother sat in an auditorium where all had come to be healed of infirmity by spirit. the heat of spirit came to her varicose veined legs. all her life she had lifted heavy items and so had these veins. as she realized she was being healed she shouted NO! Not me! heal my mother (my grandmother) immediately said spirit, as you wish, so shall it be. the heat stopped, the veins remained as they were. my grandmother did not receive a healing either, so my mother realized she had shut down what was happening through choice. I think what I learned from mother that day, is its ok to be selfish, as theres enough healing for everybody and maybe Nanny wasn't ready for it, as only a percentage received healing anyway.
Betson and all,
yes, imagining your own "place" is one of the first things we are supposed to do, as it is to me, a sort of preparation, a place to start out from.
I also like to imagine the library from time to time, and theres a park next to it with stone benches. it's whatever you like to imagine, a lot of people are drawn to beach places...it's whatever can get you into a relaxed place, then the scenery may change.
I considered the imagination to be a back door into the subconscious. the front door is logic or expectation, kind of like eating leftovers..lol...the back door is a smorgasboard of fine eating.

cheers, alysia

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I'm sure it was as all things physical start out as an idea over there. This is why, or so I have read, several people will invent the same thing at about the same time.

Love, Mairlyn

Hi again,
regarding Cosmic Ambitions' question I would say the same as Mairlyn. If you believe we share a common consciousness then it would be conclusive to say someone picked something up from this consciousness pool.
There is this new type of technical planning and development, Computer Aided Construction, and a part of it is the virtual optimation. In former times it was "unscientific" to develop with the "trial and error" method. Ther had to be the full set of formulas and then we had to calculate and get the best solution. It turned out some problems are just too complex for this method, and even worse, it came into view for some problems we just don't have a full set of formulas, but now we do have computers, and the old "trial and error" method came back, now with billions of iterated steps of trials. So, Bruce is an engineer, and has the mind to understand those things, so he was able to get those thoughts in a meditation. If these thoughts "are" somewhere already, or if they must be thought to be, who knows? It's maybe like the wind, where is it when it's not blowing?

Spooky

in the interest of keeping this thread going, Betson mentions merging with higher self and what our thoughts would be on that. I don't believe Bruce uses the term higher self anywhere in his books, or does he?
he does mention PE experiences and having a creature to show him the ropes..which to me is like shaman stories....I totally endorse it. expecially after going out there and becoming a duck and a dog once...lol....nobody needs to prove anything to me..
plus my sister entered the body of a crow once.after she died..mother was ignoring her spirit visitations you see....she had to resort to drastic measures...sorry if u guys are sick of my stories just tell me.   Betson, higher self. be careful not to form a separation in your mind between your higher self and your C1. we automatically do this. we see the word "higher" to mean above us. therefore unreachable. we actually see the image in our minds of sky and clouds and planets and space. and thats just a movie. your higher self is much more with you and aware of every little thing you think about then we can understand. but its not higher in terms of linear space. HS may vibrate faster...it may not have any belief systems to lug around, but its right where you are whenever you feel love and even when you don't feel anything.
love, alysia

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Yes, I agree.  There was another thing that we were going to experience after getting there and that was to have a 'meeting' with our guides that helped each of us decide where to incarnate and what we planned to achieve/experience in this life.

This mainly was the reason why I was so excited about this journey and I believe was what was behind my frustration at seeing Bruce's vision and not my own. I should have gone along with it.  At that time, I didn't know that my husband and I had chosen this life together. All I wanted to do was find out why I had chosen to be with an abusive man.

Love, Mairlyn

hi Vicky, I can't imagine you driving anyone bananas or being a control freak. maybe you're a neat freak; everything in its place and tidy, thats not the same as being a control freak. my family who has an entirely different view on life than I called me a control freak. not! lol. just because I wanted my niece to go to school and not get pg at 13, suddenly its convenient to label the aunt a control freak.
not to get off topic, its so easy.  Imagination. remember it starts off with image. then it can turn into the collective image area. images we all share and understand. each image tells a whole story. like a picture has a thousand words around it. the theory is our higher self knows everything, we just have to access it or open up to it. i think Bruce would say "jump." he did a lot of jumping in his books is the reason you saw something which was a true message for you. and you blinking out is normal, as maybe you couldn't believe you were actually doing a PE and it was working. alot of us blink in and out while doing this... its like we are flickering lightbulbs...lol....now I'm there, now I'm not...where did it go? I know I just saw something dance by....
hey Betson...get us back on topic...I'm running out of ideas....love, alysia

oh, mom thought she was being loving to nanny, or maybe she was being, trying to control spirit? sometimes we think the highest love is to sacrifice ourselves on its alter...whatever it is she learned something valuable or she wouldn't have repeated the story as much as she did. she also had a stubborn streak in her which maybe that prevented her to accept healing. when u get a healing from spirit it makes you feel like you didn't earn it..my mom was the kind of person felt she had to work hard for everything, and healing is humbling experience ..guess she never was humble about anything...hmm. my nanny works her over good though! they have a neat relationship.

CA, your comments are very helpful and show how BMoen's writings bridge into our lives. His ideas are alive, it seems, since they grow in meaning as we grow. Any conversation in this 'book club', can be from Bruce's words or our experience lived under the influence of reading his books. (LUI--in the US, DUI is a much more frequently determined factor, unfortunately.)
I have trouble writing this next step because I have not yet had experiences of my community of selves that make up a whole. I can 'see' symbols in the Disk, or the head of a sunflower, a whole field of sunflowers turning watching the sun. But to recognize a person the way Bruce recognized Joshua, or like spooky learned of the hunter's son, this has not happened to me yet. So my words may be awkward.
---Should a person review their dreams for characters or content that might have had more meaning than they realized, seeking our Joshuas?
---re: p. 160 in "Voyages," Bruce asks if the Colonel he met in the afterlife is an aspect of himself, {or I suppose a 'separate soul' needing retreival}, but is told the Colonel represent 'a commitment.' How do you determine each time who/what it is you are meeting in the afterlife?
---Do you find yourself in daily life seeking out souls who might be a part of your group self? If you seem to have had such encounters, could you share how you determined they were part of your group self? (Understanding that the brotherhood of humanity spans all groups.) 
I've never read books that are so alive. I admit the first time thru they seemd just like books , books that made me feel joyful for some reason, but with your comments they now seem even more alive with spirit--thank you!

so true Cosmic, the interpretor part of us just does its thing...according to previously stored data.
yeegads we are mere software sometimes...but it's fascinating being a computer head I must say...
I'm fascinated with my interpretor although it's gotten me into plenty messes....

well I think my niece may appreciate me more now, then she was able to back then and my sister would not allow me to impart my knowledge...lol....families; you can't live with them, yet you can't get rid of them. so u end up on your knees....

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Great Thread guys, keep it up i really enjoy reading your thoughts/answers to the Bruce cook book.

Regarding seeking out souls. no i don't particularly search for them myself , but when i do feel an affinity to a  person that i meet a stranger with a little twink in his/her eyes, it does make me wonder why? Especially when i feel very close to them without having met them before.I would consider these people part of my soul group or at least i hope they are, and then i try to find out more about them, espedcially spiritually and see if we really click sot to speak. There are people/persons that you vibrate in unison with and those i feel that i want to meet/know them almost like an unknow force attracting us together. There a phrase for this and i forgot it...lol 
Anyhow here're my two bits.

Pul to you all, Romain

Alysia; no i was thinking more on the line of likes attracts likes, more or less

As for dejavue, to me is when i go somewhere  and all of a sudden i feel/sense/know i've been in this situation with those people or some of them in this or that place and know what will be ask, exemple, a question; and if i answer that question from that person there will be a turmoil kind of. I know i've been there before and went through the same scenario.
Ex: last week went to see a friend of mind at the college and while i was sitting there waiting for her to finish her conversation on the phone, the feeling/thought/sensation that i perceived was that i been here before doing the same thing and waiting for her to finish and knew what she was going to as me about and knew what i should answer before she did ask. Which i did and she did say, i was just going to ask you that ...how did you knew??? that has been happening quite often lately. Does it means i travel in time (future) unknowingly in my sleep? That's what i means by dejavue, or maybe i'm wrong.?

Comming back to Bruce book, i remember about the story of his Disk members, one thing that i learn from him is that our HS (Disk) or whatever you want to call it, is closer that we think, I used to think that it was so far out of my reach, always thinking that it was higher up that me when i was meditation, like thinking ...you up there...like i was in the basement and it was on the 50th floor, took me a while to understand about vibration, and really understand that it's all in our vibration, it's within us, NOT outside of us..
Hope this make sense..LOL

Romain

Great post Chuckles!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Come to think of it I don’t recall it either, sorry if I took a turn there..
As to your questions about someone special: I truly believe that everyone I meet is special in one way or another, it’s just a matter of finding the why they were put in my path at that times of my spiritual development or everyday life. Since we did choose to come here on this ELS, which was also pre-arranged and talk/discuss with our pre-assessment committee.. Those turmoil/feeling could very well be a way of HS to awake myself (signpost) along this life time to become more aware of who I am. This is something that I really have to pay more attention to and I will.

Inner recognition that the spiritual is operating in physical matters?

A little story here: Beside my hourse where I live was a beautiful Alder tree, where the blue Jays come a build nest and eagle perch on, must have been there for at least 30 yrs, young but old for an Alder, one person with the permission of the landlord came and cut it down on afternoon.
I was there when they cut it down, and felt sorry for the tree, thinking all sort of things like…the birds/eagle could not perch on it and the atmosphere and all the vegetation being cut down etc..i’m sure you understand  what I mean.
Anyhow, an Elder person seeing me there feeling sorry for the tree approached and started a conversation, seen that guy a few time before; he said you don’t like what he doing, don’t you…I said no, then he started talking/telling me the story about Alder over 30 yrs old rotting from the inside out, and how dangerous it could be for the houses close by, and how by cutting it down it will help the other tree (Alders) around to grow bigger and healthier..!! I didn’t know that part, or never really thought about it, all I was thinking was destroying the forest…he also said that it not going to waist, people will use the bark for medicine (the one who still know how to used it) and the rest will be divided amount the members of the community as fire wood..So he said..don’t be sad..
Does the spiritual operate in physical..i would say yes, but it’s all in how we see it.
It’s a lonesome journey sometimes, but there always help when you need to understand.
With love, Romain

Now let's return to Bruce book...

Thank you, Romain.
bets

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Betson; could you please elaborate a bit more on the part here, when you say i can see symbol of the Disk? Somehow i don't get that part, how are the symbol, colours/shapes/smells and how do you perceived them?

Page #122 vol 1- "If Joshua were to incarnate again before complety healing he would carry the memories...'
Does that means that since the HS is a combination of the ALL, that pain ...in other words..is felt by all of our Probes and our disk, or is it just the "INDIVIDUAL PROBE.?? because it also says it will carry the residual memories into future physical body also !!

With love, Romain

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" Does that means that since the HS is a combination of the ALL, that pain ...in other words..is felt by all of our Probes and our disk, or is it just the "INDIVIDUAL PROBE.?? because it also says it will carry the residual memories into future physical body also !! "
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BMBC! what a nice ring that has to it. Cat ID, I just briefly want to describe I saw a similar personal vision as your funnel, I was in age, maybe 57, so u have a jump on me there.

this was my question of what is higher self. I saw in the in-between state just before waking up a funnel.
the small end of the funnel was C1. the larger end opened up in vision to the vast outreaches of space. thru this funnel filtered down light particles from HS, as much as I could open up to according to my desire. I saw no matter how narrowed my c1 was, that I could not be disconnected from HS..I was just at one end of the light.  this made sense to me as I saw the light as a source of energy, then I realized my flesh was also a mass construct of energy, slowed down to a frozen like condition of light, for the sake of experience gain.

hugs, alysia

Woops, off topic in previous post.
Apologies!
New discussion questions for BMBC coming soon!

Hey Chuckles! (Is it alright if I "still" call you that!?)

I like what you wrote here:

"In my opinion, and it is just my perspective, that the people in our path we have the most problems with are the right people in our life to grow and learn to become independent from those conflicts they generate for us. not to exactly grow away from the people themselves, but only the conflicts and expectations we have around these others and includes the situations."

I have used this technique that you explain throughout my life's journeys! I try to "learn" from everyone that I run into throughout my life... Sometimes I will see things that people do and how it affects others/themselves and I try to learn from them so that I don't make those same mistakes within my own life; half of the time I end up using their example, doing the opposite; then they end up seeing the outcome of the opposite of what they did "initially", and in turn they themselves learn from their own mistakes! Funny that way... It's almost like a *karma trifecta* of sorts. Very appropriate for us all I believe.

Much thanks for your "always" inspiring thoughts.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

I think I'd like u to call me Buddha   Buddha smiles I hear..maybe because he doesn't believe in allusion? but u can call me giggles or chuckles. i don't care one way or the other..just keep sharing your visions..purple and neon blue, thats nice..my shaft or funnel was golden and it got bigger as it went out from my mind..it was similar to amblical cord, like the astral body has been reported to have a lifeline to the physical.

you can sometimes see this cord when obe, but I never have..just believe its there. so nice to view color of intensity for those of you that do, its a treat. not saying what I saw was this cord to the astral body, as this was not looking the same as I imagine that flexible cord to look like, which stretches a great deal so I hear.
once upon a time I was in a church of the 7 rays. the purple is a tranmutation color. I would hazard a guess to tranmute is to raise the vibration from negative to positive perhaps. although in my vivid imagination I see a wizard with sparks coming from the fingers using this ray. I imagine color study is a whole new field to look into as regarding the different vibes of each color, and the way we speak here of going into the bright light.
that reminds me of Monroe who came upon a being out there and the light was so bright, he had to make an adjustment to it, or this being made an adjustment to him or both.
would any of the lights out there like to discuss something in Bruce's books? I don't have my books here to help me and I'm so bad about staying on topic of this thread...I don't see we've gotten off topic, I generally see what I want to see though! heres a lizard friend of mine. an enlightened lizard..

Don't worry Betson, there're will always be someone to get you/us back on track, like me..ouch.LOL....
Should have another cup of coffee..humm

Let's talk about butterfly, since Alycia remind me of one, anyone of you ever had the feeling like Bruce talk in his first book about the Butterfly effect P68.
Since some don't have the book anymore..actually it start on page 67, bottom of the page.."Quote"..Since his meeting with I/There during the tape wednesday night  he had notice that if he close dhis eyes and relaxed he could feel a gentle but noticeable pulsating flutter between his eyes about one and half inches deep insidde his skull, it felt soft and gentle like a small butterfly inside his head flapping his/her wings...!!
Anyone had that feeling, and no i'm not taking chakras opening here, what i'm asking is anyone ever used this technic to send/recived messages, and how did it work for you?
Myself i've learn NVC form the institute or rote what RAM called, but that sensation of fluttering is very active and few time i used as a jump start (priming the pump) for NVC.. anyone else used it.
BMCB..like it...

Chow for now, Romain

Hey Romain & "Buddha"!

I have in fact felt this "butterfly effect" while meditating... I thought that it was just me. I also believe that I may have "mistook" this phenomenon for chakra activity. Now maybe... I don't really know though, but what it kind of felt like to me was quite similar to when my astral counterpart starts loosening from my body. It feels like a very soft bed sheet flowing through my body. This feeling of a "bed sheet" flowing throughout my body may be related to this "butterfly effect" somehow, because it was felt in the head region as well. Quite similar to the butterfly description that Bruce gave, in terms of the "feel" of it. Kind of hard to put into words.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. Hey Buddha! I liked your picture of the "enlightened" lizard! It reminded me of a picture that I once drew of a wisely aged "wizard-like" cartoon goldfish that I dubbed "Merlin"... He looked to be very "wise" for a goldfish. He looked to be an ascended master of sorts! Who says fish can't fly!

P.S. (to the 2nd power)... I see that you mentioned that the color purple represents a raise in vibration from negative to positive. I was wondering if you knew what some of the other colors represent. Like neon blue. I've always been curious about the spiritual meaning of colors. Also, colors have always baffled me... For example, the colors that we see in our physical reality -- like plants, the sky, etc. are not actually colors coming from that particular object  itself, but rather the colors are just colors that result from the spectrum of colors (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet) that are filtered/refracted out of the spectrum that is contained in light... So, the color that you see is basically the color that does not get absorbed by that particular object via the light that reflects off of it. I use to always think that "color" was an attribute of an object itself... but, it's actually just God/Light smiling down/expressing himself/herself/itself on the blank slate of an endlessly evolving creation.

Sorry "Chuckles"... I'll keep with the repitition I had started so as to unmess the messiness I had messied. LOL! ("Chuckles" it is!) ......... unless of course you prefer "Buddha". (hehe!)

Thanks for that list you gave of colors' meanings. I appreciate it. Again, your kindness precedes you... Dare I expect less...

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

P.S. I'm not sure what color the aura of my toes are, or the rest of my body for that matter... I've been interested to look into that further. However, I do hope that my toes are "green", because I sure could use some "healing" in my feet today after how much I had to walk around on them at work! (I guess I'll just have to do it the old fashioned way for now... warm bath, warm fire, warm bed; meditate, and repeat as neccessary!) Maybe open up a healing chakra flow of sorts.
(Sorry for "extending" any off topicness, but threads sometimes evolve into mirror images of the creative power that inspires thought extensions.)

The final section of Book I expands the 'cast' of Bruce Moen's encounters. Previously he was busy learning his way around the focus levels and doing some self-retrievals, so not many C1 people outside RMI were involved.
So now we meet many in his C1 family--daughter Shaela, niece Barbara among others, and his favorite teacher Rebecca.  ----So at what point do we tell our C1 relatives of our involvement in the afterlife, and what responses might we expect?
Beyond our contacts on these web forums, is it possible to find a mentor, like Rebecca was for Bruce?

At the back of the book several other authors' works are mentionned. Have you read anything by these authors and what did you gain from them?
George G. Ritchie
Ken Eagle Feather
ron Russell (editor)
Gari Carter
Joe McMoneagle
Peter Novak

'Voyages into the Unknown' certainly contained alot of material that we didn't get around to discussing. Is there anything anyone wants to bring up about this Bk 1 before we move on?

George G. Ritchie - have read his book, very interesting

Ken Eagle Feather - have read his 3 books, very intersting
 
Ron Russell (editor) - I met Ron Russell and his wife the week after I took Gateway Voyage. Very wonderful people. Since I had taken GV, they said 'you're one of us now.' We emailed back and forth for a couple years

Gari Carter - read her book, absolutely amazing how she had this horrible accident and went through her surgeries without any anesthetic, using the Surgical Support hemi-sync series, hers was one of the first books I bought and read after reading Bruce's first 3 books.

Joe McMoneagle - I know Joe. He's quite a character. Was with him at several get together's where I lived and of course he was at every program I took signing his books for those who bought them. I already had all his books and never thought to bring them with me.   

Peter Novak - have not read any of his books but know he's a valued member of TMI and also now teaches a new program at TMI called Exploration Essence. I understand that those who have taken it love him and the program. If I had the money, it is one program I would definitely take. They explore our core essence and I understand that it's beyond words.

I'd like to add that I met Rebecca while living on The New Land. Didn't know at the time she was Rebecca as that's not her real name. When I was told, I was amazed that I had met this wonderful woman. I understand that she goes to sleep at night and immediately wakes up in another reality, gets up, puts on clothes for that reality and goes about her day, then back to sleep at night to wake up the next morning as Rebecca.

Bruce was very fortunate to have had her as a mentor and taught her so much. I don't know how hard it would be for any of us to find a mentor like that.

As far as discussing more about book 1, I probably would if I still had it. And when I do replace books 1 through 3, I probably will bring up more. Perhaps more people who have read his books will be interested in the Bruce Moen Book Club.

With Love, Mairlyn

So Mairlyn,

Do you know if Rebecca has any books out there about her experiences, especially of what you said about her waking up in another reality?

What most interested me in "Voyage to Curiosity's Father" was the discussion of partnered exploration.  Sadly, I was more struck by the differences than the similarities, especially in view of the shared mindset and expectations.   Nor has the Partnered Exploration section of this site yielded the expected routine verfications.   I eagerly await more impressive verifications through this type of research. 

There is dream research to support the view that intent focus can influence other people's dreams.   The potential significance of this is unknown but fascinating.

Don

Don Said: There is dream research to support the view that intent focus can influence other people's dreams.   The potential significance of this is unknown but fascinating.
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Hi Don. going to do a take on your thought as its revelevant that you are searching for verification but only find contradictions mostly. yet when you do find info out there which fascinates...I'd say go with it to see where it takes you.
now, I hope you don't continue to think this BMBC is a cult...lol....as you use the word fascination, that is what happened to me when I read Curiosity vision; I hadn't even read Bruce's books at that point.

my real fascination is dreaming and obeing. I have verification now that I've met Bruce out there, and I'm satisfied with it, but I don't hope to convince anyone, least of all our favorite skepic here. so I'll just tell the story for what its worth, and I'm not trying to promote my book, nor even myself, because if u want to know the honest truth, the writing process was simply a transformation tool so I could deal with all the belief systems I had which conflicted. whew. if it makes anything more clear to another, I'm fine with that, but if not...I wrote it for me and even here I write because you guys are like family to me and we're born to communicate.

rattle rattle rattle....this just one time I met with Bruce.  I was just starting the book. I was thinking; my high school teacher said I was a good writer. yea, but I had nothing to say. just words. I was about midway in the book with content and got stumped. how do you put something together that flows seamlessly? started getting down on myself. wondered who to ask for help. one night I found myself sailing out there in my astral body. not all my consciousness was there; didn't know where I was going until I got there. just knew I had to find Bruce's house. when you're out there, u just think about somebody and you can be there. theres not even a stopsign..lol..I love it! so I arrive and shown to guest quarters to await my turn to see him. It seemed like I was expected. and also the guest room was frequently occupied as you might expect of authors. in the guest room is a fellow from time to time posts here. I recognize him. I won't mention his name to protect him from my misconceptions should I have some I'm not aware of. the fellow explains to me that he too is waiting to see Bruce about something. he asks me to talk to Bruce about his problem. I decline as I have an urgent matter, and I sense I should not be interfering with whatever their relationship is, it is between them and I am not to meddle. I explain that I have a mission and have to be one pointed but that I will speak to him as soon I can to explain my own viewpoint, but not Bruces viewpoint on their relationship.
ok, its my turn and Bruce is the kitchen writing his 5th book at the time and he's multi tasking...hands and feet flying everywhere, tables with books on them. making his connections, very good at being this communicator person which I admire and I know he's written books and published them...I'm over here writing and it's going to take me years....I stay in the hallway whining it seems..I can hear my voice and on the otherside, you know you are there, but the sound is like being underwater understandably..as its not physical sound vibration..my voice sounds like this: whaaa.....book....oooooouuuuuu.....help!.......aaaaaaa! lol. I'm trying to describe what its like to go obe by the sounds...sorry, it's impossible! it seems like we all have a tone...and I was utilizing this tone to communicate. so Bruce continues multi tasking and thows me a rote without even stopping what he's doing! ha ha! I knew he was talking and I could hear tone from him, but I'm still underwater here remember.
I get the rote which for all intents you can say it is telepathy. I remember one word though.."church."
he reminded me of what was in my subconscious I was to write about. I had been kicked out of two churches for talking about spirits; this back in my youth. I had not thought about these experiences, that they would have any value to write about them. my jaw fell to the ground as I saw the implications of the rote. but more than this I wake up in C1 and wonder how did Bruce know about my past? and that is when I realize we all go out of our bodies at night but we are not awake out there..we float dreamy like..when we start consciously wishing to remember..we start making contact with friends or relatives, or groups we belong to, of like minded searchers.
but that doesn't answer how Bruce knew about my past. I conjecture I must have told him at some point in time. after all, I've had 5 years to tell him about me. I call it higher self must be the one that gets around; C1 is limited consciousness. it only deals mostly with surviving in a physical body in C1, go to work, pay the rent, have your babies...etc....higher self is your intentions for coming to earth beyond just the survival part. higher self is more unlimited perspective, a more total you. I'm sure I have bent Bruce's ear on more than one occassion! lol!

so I woke up and started writing one of my favorite chapters enthusiastically like my fingers were on fire. mentally sending gratitude to Bruce for the reminder.

the element of the other guest who posts here was like a verification also. as the next day I get a private post from him detailing some problems he has with Bruce, and just like in the obe, he wants me to work his problem out..true to my feelings, I decline because of the reasons already stated. I'm a wonderful meddler and my guides will not allow me to meddle..lol...been there, done that.

so thats my story..will mean nothing to anyone here, because its too personal..but I enjoyed telling it, and there's two of us here, no three, with you Don, that are fascinated with dreams and obes and we plan on writing about it in the future. its more of an obsession with me to explore the language out there and come back to C1 and ponder on it, on there being two realities...like Rebbeca who lives two lives...how extraordinary! how could you handle living two lives at the same time? probably by taking it one day at a time?  yup. hug, alysia

sounds like the same thing as the disc to me Cat! I call all these selves my guides whom feed me info when I need it. I have a nun, a preacher, a 50's smart a--, chinese healer, indian midwife, etc etc they all have a say in my life. the newest one is only 19 in emotional maturity, but she partakes of the others knowledge. shes the present consciousness here now. she's starting to catch up with the others. seems weird on some days, other days, it's hmmm. have I ascended yet?

thanks for sharing that vision; nice to know theres other people out there having the same conceptions and beliefs, or at least exploring these ideas. I've never looked for the cord. not really interested in it..just assume its there.
the puppet and puppeteer idea works ok for me, but once upon a time it would have upset me..it doesn't upset me now, because I know I'm connected to all of the selves as in a oneness and all the strings are being pulled in the direction I prefer and I know I have a choice which direction to look in.

hugs, alysia

Oh man, I was afraid to hear that.  That is such a shame.  I wonder why.   

I'm not sure where we are exactly--I'm not the one leading this pack, ha ha!  We do tend to get a wee bit side tracked but that's ok.  It's all good stuff. 

Bets, where are we again?

well I was quite invigorated! will put a double shot in my latte next time!

that was marvelous to hear about Donna, Cat. this stuff works! I contacted my grandmother passed over and she told me about a brooch my mother was supposed to give me! lol! when I asked mother about the brooch, she said she lost it, but I verified something at that moment. it all seemed like imagination too. and the plot thickens slowly.....

love, alysia

ha ha! Cat! yes I think you did! here we go...