Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 21^st, 2017 at 12:25pm:


Subtle Traveler,

Thank you for being willing to share some of your experiences.  From your terminology I think you and I have a lot in common.  It’s easier to notice that when the language used is familiar to your own usage, and not so easy to notice similarities when we aren’t sure what the other person really means.  But either way, in my opinion it’s always beneficial to hear, share, and talk about our personal experiences because there will always be something in it for someone else. 

When I share mine, some people have no idea what I’m talking about, while others tell me they were in tears because it really spoke to them.  And I’m always learning as I go along, which is why I am humble enough to say that I wouldn’t know what I know if it weren’t for the help of what I’ve learned along the way from other people.  In my past, like into my 30s, I wasn’t even able to talk about this kind of stuff with anyone.  I didn’t have a support system.  No one would have “helped” me grow because I didn’t know anyone who knew what I was talking about.  Thanks to the Internet and places like Bruce’s forums, I’ve been able to come out of that shell, express myself, and learn and grow.

I agree that our Guidance is not separate from us, it is an extension of us.  It does appear separate but that’s because of the perspective we have when we’re first getting used to our interactions with it, at least from my personal experience.  Early on when I would hear “The Voice” it was literally like someone was talking to me just like a physical person.  After learning what this phenomenon was, it morphed into other ways of manifesting communication.  I’ve come to just call it My Guidance, and I know that “they” are my team and that I’m part of it. 

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Some Background

There are non-physical phenomena that are no longer a belief for me. Having non-physical guidance is one of those things. Why? Because I have had direct, conscious experiences with non-physical guidance. Everyone has guidance, whether it is consciously recognized or not. I share my own introductory experience below.

As some background about me, I am not clair-anything or particularly gifted. However, I have been given experiences (beginning when I was 15 years old). I have always known that there was more than what people were talking about or accepting of. Meeting my primary guide was a spontaneous, unexpected event, and it did not occur until much later in my life – a little over 2 years ago. I am currently in my 50’s.

In early 2015, I decided to pursue learning about the out of body experience. I was also considering pursuing a past life regression experience, but decided upon learning the out of body experience because I could do it on my own and possibly replicate it on my own. I did not have to go to a professional each time for the experience. That was the basic logic of my decision, and I immediately began reading William Buhlman’s 2nd book, Secrets of the Soul (February-March 2015).

How I Initially Met My Guide

After some learning, work and practice, I had my first OBE in April 2015. It was not until I had developed this skill a bit that I was given the opportunity to meet my guidance in June 2015.

I had decided to take a mid-day nap. I was relaxed, but did some affirmations and listened to some meditations. While asleep, I had some brief vibrations upon which I became conscious in the RTZ / NP, and a woman was standing at the side of my bed looking down at me. I was completely lucid with perfect vision (including ‘zoom in’ vision, so I knew that I was looking at the non-physical or NP, while near my body). I did not recognize her.

I also knew that it was not a lucid dream, as I knew of my current life, could see my physical body and the bed and the room, etc. I was naked at the time (I sleep naked), and was immediately a bit surprised and embarrassed by that with a stranger hovering over me, so I physically woke up and jumped out of bed when my body ended its paralysis. My first thought of this experience was that she was a resident of our home in the RTZ (or what some call “the mirror level”). I had already experienced the RTZ a few times.

When I wrote down the experience later that afternoon in my journal, I suddenly began asking the question, "Was that one of my guides?". This thought seemed to come out of nowhere. It was something I had not considered till that exact moment (e.g., like it was given to me) when it entered my present moment attention. I also did not immediately accept that thought (e.g., was the being in my OBE my guide) but I did keep the topic on my radar. I began building the intention to find out more about this experience and this unidentified being.

Verifying / Following Up

Through some reading (and google searches) over the next couple of weeks, I learned from a respected psychic’s web site that I could confirm this being as my guide by creating a ritual of naming her. So, after a couple more weeks I finally came up with a name (Courage) and I offered up the name during a daily meditation to her. About 6 weeks later, I had a lengthy dream. In the dream, I was going to a job interview and spontaneously became naked again in the dream (e.g., which was probably intended as a lucidity trigger). My nakedness once again made me feel embarrassed and unprepared, but I persisted. I was semi-lucid in the dream and it was fuzzy. However, the environment became more stable as I moved down side streets, and new scenes would suddenly emerge on the periphery of my vision – like a street I knew I needed to walk down. So I would turn and walk down that street. This seemed like a dream state, but it was also more than that. I was following the narrative, but I was also making conscious choices against the presented obstacles in the experience.

Aware of these characteristics (and my still nakedness), I proceeded consciously and persisted to get to the job interview - all while not knowing exactly where the job interview was. I walked up and down a couple more streets in the dream after finding some new clothes (but not nearly enough for the interview), when I arrived at a particular store front. I somehow knew this was the place for the job interview (e.g., I almost kept walking but caught myself). I went in and I was asked to wait. I actually waited for quite a while, so I decided to get up and began exploring down a hallway towards the back of the building. A large meeting room opened up with several individuals around a big conference table. They were busy talking and a person came towards me and asked what I wanted. I told them that I was there for the job interview. It felt strange and incomplete – like fuzzy dreams often are – but I persisted sensing that there was something more to learn, know or remember.

A woman came forward. At that time, I did not recognize her as the woman standing over my bed weeks earlier. We walked into a separated side room and the door closed. Once we were alone, this woman revealed herself to me by disclosing herself visually (especially her face) in a surge of smiling light. This energy surge resulted eventually in the experience ending for me. However, in that moment I immediately knew this being as the woman standing over my bed several weeks earlier. This energy surge came with a download and confirmation that she was communicating acceptance of the name I had offered weeks earlier. This experiential confirmation was August (2015).

Quality post, Subtle Traveler. How might you describe how the ways you came into this connection and how you hold this connection sustain and maintain you in the work you came here to do?

Hi Morrighan ... thanks for your comment and question.

I would say that this answer has changed over time for me, so I will focus from April 2015 to fall 2015 to initially answer your question.

One of the first things that changed was this ... in the two months prior to June 2015, I finally started getting some answers to my multi-year question (e.g., What is guidance?). I had just started listening to the Miranon recordings at the Monroe Institute. This singular event built lots and lots of momentum for me. Guidance immediately made sense to me. And, if there was a "trigger" for me in that, it was an overwhelming sense of gratitude for the clarity provided by the four Miranon recordings. I think that "primed my internal pump" and shifted my awareness ... basically preparing me for an introduction in June 2015. Without knowing how to say it then, it does seem that my vibration had changed with: (1) my gratitude; (2) more trustworthy information about what guidance is; and (3) knowing I was more than my physical body. When my vibration changed from this, so did my field (to use your pointer).

I would generally point to one more event. Late during the time period mentioned, I was introduced to Abraham (Hicks). With an understanding now that I was more than my physical body AND meeting/naming my guide, Abraham made more sense to me. I began listening to those videos on YouTube. And, one video really changed things for me in practice (e.g., a process that again shifted my vibration). So, your question (e.g., holding and sustaining connection) is also answered with this ... Abraham describes 4 things that they would do each day if they were a human like us. I began practicing 3 of those 4 things consistently. A 10 minute video about that is here (if anyone is interested):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RHbbMY8LU

I would practice three of these (1, 2 and 4) almost daily. Meditation (which I had already been doing for some time), getting outside in appreciation, and the 4th one (what I will call “a positive affirmation of guidance). The fourth was very difficult for me (I noticed that I had resistance to it), but I would still stand outside or near a window and recite it (tears streaming down my face each time for weeks). I still use #4 regularly to this day.

There is more, but I will leave things here for now.

Hey,

I'm chiming in too just to say I'm here reading.  Been so busy today I only have time to read a bit at a time, so I'm not all caught up yet.

So was your first OBE the naked one with the lady standing by the bed?  Or was that the first time you met your guide?

I'll be curious to hear about your experiences since age 15.  You said you had stuff happen starting around then?  But I haven't gotten caught up yet. 

I just wanted to say I was here and that this is fun to read and hear what your journey has been like.  Oh about your dream going to the job interview, I think that even though some experiences seem to be just like normal fuzzy dreams, they can have a certain quality about them that makes us know on some level that it's more than just a normal dream.  I like that you persisted and the woman was there to greet you.  Perception does become clearer with more experience and persistence and development in my opinion. 

Ok, I'll probably have more to comment when I get more caught up.

Good job on sharing some great stuff!!

Vicky

You’re welcome for the assurance. 

I equate the kind of fuzzy dream stuff you were talking about to how it is sometimes in normal waking life.  We’re not even living day to day waking life with 100% conscious awareness.  I can remember so many times when my kids were babies, and we were so tired but still doing our duties…waking up in the middle of the night, making a bottle, changing diapers, putting the kids back to sleep, getting back into bed, all doing all of this while half asleep.  It’s amazing you can operate with such little conscious awareness, but we get used to it, it’s habit, it’s human nature.  It doesn’t make the experience less real, it just means we’re not as aware as we could be.  It’s when something amazing, shocking, or unexpected happens that we’re finally “woken up”.  When you’re that alert, time feels surreal, slowed down, and you remember every little detail.  Other than that, we just kind of sleep our way through waking life, only being acutely aware at certain moments. 

That doesn’t mean all dreams are about real and important stuff of course, but I think more often than not dreams are disguised and symbolic because we’re not fully awake and aware, so our interpreter is running away with associations, telling us a little story, and we’re usually too unconscious to say, “What the heck?”

So sometimes, like with your interview dream, you’re just conscious enough that a part of you is trying to get at the real stuff despite the misleading dream stuff going on, and that gives our guides a chance to play into the dream and get our attention.

Many years ago I was doing the same kind of work in trying to get in touch with guides.  I was using my dreams to do it, setting intention, asking for a dream of a guide.  I’d be having just a regular old normal dream but then something would happen in the dream, a set of circumstances where a guide would have an opportunity to play a role in my dream and get my attention, and when it happened I was suddenly aware.  So I noticed how they can utilize our dream scenarios to get our attention.

Oh, sorry to get sidetracked but that reminds me of one of my best dreams of my guides.  I was dreaming I was driving down a steep hill and losing control of my car.  This was totally and completely what you would think of as just a normal dream, nothing special about it. 

At the bottom of the hill all traffic was stopped because there was a huge mud puddle engulfing the road and no one could drive through it.  So I got out of my car.  Everyone else was out of their cars too.  I noticed a group of construction workers.  I walked over their way, maybe to see if they knew what was going on.  I had to walk between some road cones and I started sinking, and the construction guys lifted me up.  Instead of setting me on my feet they continued to carry me, out into a field.  It was kind of weird but of course it was “just a dream” so I thought nothing of it. 

They carried me out to where a Chinese man was standing in the middle of the field as if he were waiting for me.  He was standing there majestically, patiently waiting, as if this was his field and he was not going to come to me, I had to come to him.  They set me down in front of him.  When I saw the Chinese man’s face I was suddenly completely consciously aware.  This was no longer “just a dream”. 

I knew this man.  We’ve been together for centuries, at least.  He picked up me into his arms like I was a little child.  He whispered into my right ear, nothing that would make sense in words but it was perfect, I understood it, and we laughed and laughed.  I was overjoyed with love and admiration for him.  I knew he was a main guide for me.  There was so much love between us.  This dream was many years ago but I can still remember the love and the joy of us making contact. 

Like you got in your dream, I got a download from him, what he whispered in my ear.  One of the things I get from him is my sense of humor.  Notice how he was out standing in his field when I found him? 

Vicky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 3:10pm:


No. They are old freebies. The recordings are mostly from the 1980's when Robert Monroe sent things out by tape to subscribers. Many of them involve Monroe's original explorers ... Tom Campbell, Rose McKnight, Shay St, John, etc. Here is a link to the page (warning! a bit slow)

https://www.monroeinstitute.org/free-audio-downloads

Shay St. John (who transitioned a few years back) is the explorer associated with the 4 Miranon recordings. They are #5, #6, #13, and #14. Miranon was actually a part of her at one time (see tape #5 at min. 23 to 27 approximately, talking about Lemuria). Tape #5 (min. 43 to 47) was also meaningful to me.

You can listen online or download to your computer. I recommend the 2nd option.

Vicky wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 3:01am:


Vicky, thanks for taking time to relate and share your own experience.

I agree with your expanded observation about the fuzzy dream stuff. I might add that the relationship between waking life and dream life seems very complimentary (back and forth). Experiences are initiated from both states, and they often weave off of each other (back and forth).

Morrighan wrote on Dec 30^th, 2017 at 11:18am:


Morrighan ... thanks for that tidbit ... I am curious ... was there a known reason for that within the TMI community?

My current perception is that some are plainly out-dated. Others just did not resonate with me, so I did not completely listen to them. I do understand that any conscious streaming or channeling of non-physical contact is coming through the filters, language and knowledge of the physical human ... this can greatly flavor the message. btw, Monroe did not like the term "channeling" and avoided it purposefully.

In addition to the Miranon material, I thought the "streaming" one near the bottom was very helpful (#31) to me. Interestingly, #31 was suggested by Rita Warren earlier this year to Frank DeMarco in one of their many non-physical to physical conversations. I listened to it after that.

I think that #17 is still used in the TMI Lifelines course. This may be true for others, but I have never been to TMI so I don't know for all of them.

I mention these details not to justify, but because I do think that the overall grouping of recordings is very "hit and miss". I would even say that this is my experience with them.

OK. Thanks for your clarifications.

Hi recoverer2 ...

Your comment does remind me of a personal experience with a low energy entity late last year, when I was beginning to experiment with Frank DeMarco's ILC (Inter Linked Communications) method to communicate with the non-physical. However, it may be important to note that this state is much different from dreaming.

Basically, my body was asleep, but I was not. I was close to focus 10 (or maybe what the England TMI distinguishes as focus 11). I then began communicating from this state, as DeMarco does himself nearly every day. Once I reached out (simply saying "hello") and waited for contact, the entity immediately replied "worship me" and I quickly responded with a firm "No". I did not hear anything else after that so I ended the experience. The entity may have visited me in a dream, but I was not able to confirm that. After thinking through these experiences, I raised my energy with some exercises that I regularly use and I have not seen or heard from that energy since.

Lastly, I shared this experience with DeMarco, and despite my very short contact with the entity (which he joked with me about), he complimented me for cutting off the energy with a simple but firm "No" and avoiding debate.

Morrighan wrote on Dec 31^st, 2017 at 4:47pm:


Yeah, I certainly get that. fwiw, I suspected that's why the entity showed up (e.g., had a disagreement with someone), and so I raised my energy.

Happy New Year "in the All-D" to everyone!

We are all spiritual beings having a human experience. 

Right there in Camden, New Jersey it is possible to experience the sublime in the Camden Harbor Park and Amphitheater and the <ahem> less than sublime a few steps beyond there. 

Happy new years all!!

Vicky, I believe the dream you described was more than just a dream. During the day that followed, there might've been moments when you remembered the dream and felt the love again.

Sorry Subtle Traveler, for getting off track.

Recoverer 2 wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 12:54pm:


Hey, yeah I totally agree.  I have decided to use the word "dream" more loosely for myself because it's one of those words that gets embedded in your psyche from a young age, yet as we grow in age and experience we are faced with redefining some of our terminology.  So the way I've dealt with it is to just tell myself "dreams" is a term that has a spectrum of meaning to it.  It doesn't have to be "just a dream" that doesn't really mean anything of importance. 

I am really happy that everyone is getting along and conversing well, and especially happy that you are all still here despite my new nickname by ST  , LOL. 

Subtle Traveler wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 6:40pm:


OMG.  I'm chuckling. 

Thanks for understanding and being supportive.

Vicky wrote on Jan 1^st, 2018 at 7:03pm:


Good!

Ok, Mr. Wonderful it is. 

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

PS--Goodnight all.  I hope we each have a special spiritual dream tonight with a visit from a loved one or guide with a message or guidance about something we've needed to hear, and of course with lots of PUL. 

Before sharing an experience, I note that I lost some of my OBE journals to three computer hackings in 2016 and 2017. These cyber-attacks occurred just before the MS Windows “eternal blue” hole was disclosed to the public. As a result, I am doing most of my writing here from memory and I have noticed that I am struggling notably to place my experiences into writing.

As memories of my experiences come to mind, I “may begin” to share more experiences. When I started this thread, it was my intention to share several experiences here. However, now I am less confident that I can do that easily. Writing just this one piece has been very difficult and taken days, and today I am deleting my original post and re-posting this newer one with many changes. With this understood, here is my revised comment.

A Human Paradigm

Our 3D, human, biological apparatus (the physical body) continually reminds each of us (24/7) of the perception that "I am a singular individual", when this is not the whole story or picture. Our five human senses (e.g., sight, smell, touch), our body in motion, and the biologically-programmed brain (e.g., not the mind) reinforces our continual perceptions of 3D space (separation … up, down, etc.) and 3D time (a delineated, segmented moment to moment human thinking experience). Yet in great contrast to these 3D constraints, we are (in the broader reality) much more than human, and that part of us is not subjected to the 3D conditions of time and space. So … the rest of us is experiencing the non-3D or non-physical.

“The human is a small part of who I am”.

After my first out of body experiences, the perception of the mentioned 3D constraints became less real and the non-physical became more real (e.g., realized). My initial OBE’s brought me the final clarity of experience that I needed to begin putting pieces together for myself. It both explained past experiences with the non-physical, and changed my thinking about the present moment. And, after an introduction to non-physical guidance, I learned quickly that I actually had multiple energies supporting me. I was not alone. I was a community and not an individual, and I began meeting these non-physical lives (souls) in 2016.

The Better the Question, the Better the Answer …

During 2016, I spent a lot of time learning how I might communicate with the non-physical. In the end, I simply created a Guidance Journal and then began writing down questions or comments directed towards guidance. It worked! I started getting responses to my queries. Another benefit was that I slowly started changing my 3D perception and interpretation of being separate. I was not. When things were working, it would be confirmed. When I goofed up, I often received a response about that also.

With this newer understanding and practice and experiences, before going to sleep one night I wrote a question into my Guidance Journal. Again, I am not clairvoyant. However, just like any human I am the tuner-receiver, interpreter and more recently a scribe of my guidance. I mention it this way, because I want readers to understand that anyone can do this. You do not have to be gifted to receive non-physical information. Everyone has non-physical (non-3D) supporters. We are no different than Esther Hicks (Abraham), Paul Selig (Melchizedek) or Jesus in this aspect of our human creation.

The question I asked that night was, “Who is specifically supporting me?” After presenting this question and setting the intention gain an answer, I was gradually presented several non-physical experiences over the course of about a month. I received the following experience immediately the next morning (after asking the question).

Confirming Three

I was at an event with each parent and my primary guide. There were others around, but less visible or specifically perceived. We were in an outdoor area. My father who transitioned 3 years earlier, seemed to facilitate the experience. This was a first for him and me, but he has since been engaged in a few of my non-physical experiences. He has helped. I also knew my mom was there (still alive in the physical), but she was not consciously engaged. I got a sense that she could not be present, because she was still in a physical body. The impression that I received was that each of my parents were somehow a part of my inner being.

The physical lifetime of my primary guide (who I named "Courage") was also there. She appeared dressed in older clothing, but this feature was fuzzy. I inquired about her name (from her physical life time) and my father repeated the name (Mrs. ???) while introducing her, but I could not hang onto that detail. However, I recognized her name as a historical figure, so I tucked that tidbit away and was able to retrieve that upon awakening back into the physical. My dad made two formal introductions to her, two separate times repeating her name, but I did not retain it upon awakening. However, from this experience I had begun to receive an answer to my bedtime question. Mom (physically alive), dad (transitioned), and my primary guide (probably transitioning over 100 years ago) are related to my inner community and being.

Meeting “M”

In a follow up experience (unknown date, but later), there was a large party. I was somehow surprised to be invited. Lots and lots of people. It seemed that I was allowed to talk to only a few, because others were not so friendly. I remember getting a glare from a woman across the room, when I used "zoom in vision" to focus on her after noticing that she was talking about me. I wondered, “What is going on here?”.

I was given visuals of several, while they remained fuzzy or slightly out of view. When they came into focus, I engaged them. I noticed two young Latina-Indian girls with their backs to a wall but facing me … along with some others. I somehow knew that the two girls were sisters (and actually they just looked like it). They came into focus (no fuzziness). The older of the two stepped forward, as if I was being introduced specifically to her from the broader group and began offering me a hug. While I am not fluent in Spanish, I naturally spoke to her in Spanish (Como se yama? ... What is your name?). I caught the name, but quickly lost it (e.g., started with an "M"). I wondered if she was one of the lives which I extend from. I felt the full contact of her greeting and hug (e.g., even feeling her small arms wrapping around my upper back). I sent a warm energy to her and she smiled. I started fading a bit and so she stepped back to the wall with her sister. I looked again to her sister to show my openness to greeting her also, but she did not come forward.

At this event, I was also introduced to some others, but I will keep this post focused on meeting "M" and confirming the first three.

ST, thank you for sharing. Regarding the lady you extended from, made me think of the viewpoint that each extension from a Disk incarnates just once. Viewpoints about this differ, but going by what I have gathered thus far, just one incarnation for each extension.

Bummer about your computer hack. I save all my files on one of those little things (can't remember the name) just in case something happens to my computer.

I used to write many of my dreams and spiritual experiences in notebooks, but it got to the point where I had so many notebooks, I decide to reduce the amount of note taking I do. It seems as if my really significant experiences are easy to recall. Your inner changes won't go away.

Subtle Traveler:

Amoeba sounds like it might be another term for Disk. The term crystallize seems odd. I'm not certain what it means. When I have made contact with my Disk members, it seemed  as if they were active, much alive, not crystallized. The same seems to true to Bruce Moen's contact with his Disk members, going by what he wrote.

I just finished ordering Frank's book Rita's world. I don't know anything about him.

Amoeba. Wow! Anther term for Disk. I have recently been reading four books referred to as The Team books, by Frances Key. She received information from her deceased mother and other beings her mother hooked her up with.
The books use the term "the rest of us" when it speaks of Disks. Each of us represents just one part of the totality of who we are. Team seems to be equivalent to Soul Group.

Regarding reincarnation, below are some key words(from Frances Key's fourth book called "Beyond the Team."

"Another profound shift that comes from comprehending the multiplicity of your own being is the release of the fear of death. When you know that what awaits you is a reunion with all your soul's aspects as well as your team, you are willing to release the body when the time comes. And...if you fear that you will no longer have the connection to the Earth that you enjoy, knowing that other aspects of your being may continue on in the Earth, picking up where your current aspect left off and communicating its experiences to the Rest of You is also a great comfort."

The books have a service oriented sense. One thing they state is that we should try to grow spiritually with the primary purpose of helping this world evolve spiritually. When we do so, we help improved the world's energy level and create streams of possibility.  When it comes to spiritual development for our own sake, this is secondary. To some people this attitude might sound strange, I  understand it, because it has been my attitude for years.  Love others to an extent that you want to grow for them. 

I am aware that Frank has had connections to TMI and Hampton Publishing, but I haven't read any of his books, so I don't know what he says.

Subtle Traveler wrote on Jan 15^th, 2018 at 10:13pm:

Hey,

I want you both to know, Subtle Traveler and Recoverer 2, that I've just now gotten caught up on reading this thread.  I really l like what both of you have contributed.  Lots to think about!  When I have time for my brain to give it more thought I'll do some chiming in.  For now, I just wanted you to know this is a great conversation.

I haven't read any of Frank's stuff either.  I know that I have one or two of his books though.  So I have one questions for you ST, what does Frank describe as the differentiation between spirit and soul?  If you can just sum it up?  If not, I'll take a look at the links you provided. 

I'd like to read Frances Key's boos too.  Thanks for mentioning them Albert. 

PS--The reason I haven't been too active on here for a couple weeks or so is because my mom passed away.  Before that her health was rapidly declining so things were nutty here for a while.  I had her here at home with the help of Home Hospice.  ST and I have been chatting on the sidelines a little bit about all that.  But I'm here still, trying to get my focus back on line.   No need to reply about this here on this thread, I just wanted to explain why I've been absent.  Please see the Dream Forum though.  Mom actually visited me 

ST, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge.  I seem to have had a little breakthrough these past few days after having read your thread and investigating the links ... specifically the 4 daily do's of Abraham Hicks (first time encountering this message).  The last "do" released quite a bit of self-induced garbage i've been carrying around for many years ... so thank you thank you thank you for directing me to that piece of knowledge.

Big thank you to you too Vicky for carrying on the forum!  I first learned of Bruce Moen back in 2008 after losing a young nephew and for several years afterward got pretty good at dropping in and directing my attention to those focus levels ... but never really hit a homerun.

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Aw thanks, and you're welcome!   

I have not posted in a couple of weeks because I am currently working through Moen's 5th book, The Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook. I am working slowly with it, and I am about 15% through the book. I could not get the CD with the vocalized exercises on it, so I am having to do that work by using the book. That makes the reading a bit more tedious, and I have to separate learning by reading FROM learning by practicing.

I may be missing out on the personal stories and discoveries of his four earlier books, but I am glad that I selected the 5th book first. While reading the 2nd chapter, I thought that I might have had a visit from Bruce. I have not been traveling (just lots of dreams), so I have not verified that yet.

The book provides a good summation of what Moen both  practiced and taught. I am sure many here have already read this book, but I thought I would share why I have not been posting as much. When I am done with the book, I will write up a review on Amazon.

Anyway ... that's it for now.

Vicky wrote on Feb 20^th, 2018 at 12:13am:


Hi Vicky

I am chuckling, because you always seem to draw me out ... just a bit more (and even if you're very busy). Thank you for your attention here. It is appreciated.

Other Experiences

I did experience the "vibrational state" early in the morning, when first practicing the "3 deep breaths" exercise before going to bed. That let me know right away that Bruce's stuff can work. Last night I read the section about "beliefs" and "system crashes". It reminded me of several of these events that I have had in my life. I have noted three system crashes I experienced for further journaling and review. Probably the biggest system crash came after I experienced Jesus in physical, 3D reality. Another system crash arrived when I had my first OBE and then met my primary guide. And despite this, I went to bed asking for another one of these belief altering experiences. I saw this request as simply another exercise, and following the path of the AKG book (or maybe Bruce's trail of breadcrumbs).

My Approach

Overall, I have halted "my traveling practices" while reading the book. I continue to meditate and do some energy work. I am waiting until I get to the "imagination" section of the AKG book to re-begin my traveling practices again. This is very purposeful on my part, because I have been focused on the OBE and its own subset of beliefs (started by reading William Buhlman in 2015) and Bruce's techniques seem more akin to "phasing". So, I am leaving room to adjust "how I might initiate travel". That means a slower pace, doing each exercise till some competency is achieved, making it my own, etc.

Connecting

I thought that my sensing Bruce's engagement while I read was worth noting above. I felt the presence of someone, so I spoke out loud while reading and asked if it was him. I did not hear anything, but I continued to feel a presence or nudge. Frank DeMarco talks about this phenomena with both Rita and TGU (the guys upstairs), as happening when reading someone's writing or books. It is how DeMarco began his own conversations with Hemingway (which he ended up writing about).

See? You drew me out. (thanks for that!)

P.S. Good luck with your BIG project.

Vicky wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 12:43am:


I agree with Bruce's observation in the book that with each 'belief system crash' it can get easier. However, my first belief system crash at 15 was traumatic and that trauma stayed with me for years. The experience has never repeated itself, so it does not quite fit in a description of a "new normal". But I do understand what you are generally suggesting.

In some contrast, meeting my guidance (a belief system crashing event) has become a new normal. Less traumatic for me. It fits within your description quite well. It became more normal for me rather quickly.

I can see that our experiences may be different with belief system crashes so perceptions-interpretations may be differing, but I do not want to distract you further from focusing on your important event this weekend. We can chat about this another time, if needed.

Thanks for your follow up comment.

Morrighan wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 3:06pm:


Hi Morrighan!

Can you be more specific about the meaning of "shifts"?

Morrighan wrote on Feb 21^st, 2018 at 11:12pm:


Morrighan ...

OK, I understand recursions. I am glad I asked. No recursions, because I am still learning in a linear format.

There does seem to be an expansion of my experience nearly each time that I read and then practice something from the book afterwards. Something non-physical becomes apparent or happens when I practice each exercise, except for the Silly Little Finger exercise (e.g., I am not connecting with that yet). In contrast, I immediately related several times in my life to the Belief System Crash. I have had a few of those - and a very big one when I was a teen.

I am doing one exercise at a time in book sequence. Once I complete the book, I will integrate what I learn and I would expect more recursive experiences and an accelerated expansion.

Today, I practiced the "balance of the perceiver and interpreter" for the first time. I did it without any sound assistance, but I set a clear intention about it. I clicked out a few times but came back each time. On my last click out, when I returned it was like I was pushed or nudged non-physically. I have not experienced this before. It caught me off guard and I exited the transcendent state obtained by the exercise.

Overall, I was very tired when I did this today, so I took a nap afterwards. However, I will try this exercise tomorrow or Friday with a hemi-sync recording by Patty Avalon with focus 12, 15 and 21 frequencies in it (about 40 minutes). I nearly always have a click out with this recording, so I will use "the balancing exercise" to practice not clicking out when listening (e.g., a test). Not clicking out as much would be an improvement for me, and using this hemi-sync recording provides a way for me to measure that progress (based on my past).

So, expansions including reaching transcendent states of consciousness (yes) ... but recursions (not yet). This is most likely due to how I am learning Bruce's material.

This short video reminded me of Bruce Moen's work, and also of his first publisher's work (Frank DeMarco, formerly of Hampton Roads).

"Imagination is receptive mode" (e.g., we receive it) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xvLBOknLpc (a few minutes)

This was attractive to me, as the presented idea greatly contrasts how humans are taught by our 3D circumstances and limitations to 'associate what imagination might be' to our experience (e.g., imagination not real because it is somehow conjured up). This is apparently the opposite of how non-physical sees imagination in our 3D experience.

Clearly, Moen's primary technique (imagination as a means of perception) and his own travels consistently suggest the opposite (e.g., supporting what the video above holds forth). Also, it is worth noting that Frank DeMarco often comments that he senses that he is making it up, as he scribes for his non-physical friends (what he calls TGU or The Guys Upstairs).

Cool, thanks for the link.  I'll check it out!

I remember when I was in one of Bruce's workshop that he gave here in Colorado in 2016, and we were in one of the exercises.  I can't remember exactly which exercise we were doing, but what I was seeing was playing in my mind's eye just like watching a movie, kind of like when you're dreaming and just watching what's happening, except that you're completely consciously awake and aware.  It's not like actual dreaming, because you can hear and are aware of Bruce's voice and other noises in the room.  (You know how it is when you're with a group or people somewhere, there's always that one person who keeps coughing or clearing their throat, always someone walking past in the hall who's talking, etc).  So during his workshops it's not like we were ever asleep or anything, so it's not the same as dreaming. 

It's weird that at the same time that you're "just watching what's happening" you also simultaneously still sit there thinking to yourself, "Hmm, feels like I might be making this up, not sure, I'll just keep following along and see where this goes." 

It's only afterward that you realize there's no way you were making it up consciously, yet no way that you were dreaming.  It's something else entirely. 

The stuff we all perceived as a group is WAY too incredible and uncanny to just be passed off as false, a dream, a coincidence, etc. 

That's why this needs so much more experimentation and exploration. 

Oh yeah, I remember that!  I feel so awkward anytime I'm filmed or even having my pic taken.  Bruce was always so comfortable in front of people.  In those videos you see Bruce's books displayed behind him.  I was the one who gave him that suggestion  . 

I miss gabbing with him so much.  Before he got so sick we used to visit via the computer cam every week!! 

Three years ago, I discovered the life work of sound healer, Tom Kenyon. He is also a channel. His work is "off the path" of most that I have met in OBE forums. However, I have personally found his work assistive and instructive in both my practices of meditation and energy work. I, myself, use his stuff several times a week. The following recording is his most recent. I have been practicing with an earlier version for several months now (e.g., called "Spatial Cognizance"). And, I wanted to share this newer and enhanced recording instead (called "Multiverse") because it seems to have a much stronger effect for me.

http://tomkenyon.com/multiverse-sound-meditation-instructions

If you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read these instructions FIRST. They are important to benefiting from this meditative sound recording. Use headphones and block out any external influences (e.g., like using an eye mask). Also, I must warn that if you are currently taking any medications for emotional assistance, that you consult with your physician first before practicing with this particular recording. It is powerful, and creates a "spatial state or focus ... enhancing right hemisphere awareness". The recording is only 12 minutes, and I sometimes listen to it twice. It can be used in preparation for non-physical experiences or just meditating.

Finally, it is worth noting that Kenyon's work is one of the few outside-linked (e.g., referrals) on the TMI web site. They like him and his work ... considering him a friend.

rondele wrote on Apr 18^th, 2018 at 11:34am:


Right on!  I didn't know (or had forgotten) that you got to do one of his workshops.  I'm so glad you enjoyed it and getting to meet him in person.  And Laurie too. 

I'm just like you in how easy I get distracted.  But I've been fortunate to have that to compare some wonderful experiences to.  For example, once at a friend's house in Boulder who was doing a mini TMI outreach excursion, the guy next to me was snoring almost immediately after lying down.  I was so mad.  Thought I'd never get relaxed enough to feel the effects of the hemi-sync.  But the next thing I knew, I was having out-of-body experiences which at first I thought were physical events despite their impossibility.  Just goes to prove that despite distractions, it's possible to slip into an altered state and not even realize it. 

Thanks for sharing.   I'm definitely interested in reading more and will be checking out Frank's blog.

I don't think I'd heard of "Sam" yet.  Is that Frank's word?

The explanation of Sam, soul, and spirit match exactly with my own belief, experience, and understanding.

Thanks. 

By the way, I ALWAYS copy what I've just typed before I post it.  Same goes for emails.  It's so frustrating losing stuff.

In reading today's link I am present to the same feeling as with the Seth material. So in describing the experience does one become the experience or the descriptor? My seat-of-the-pants-guess is Both / And. It's fun to jump out and spin it     

Oh yes "God" and all iterations of same carry baggage. Which is why as a once-programmer* I use $deity. In computing language of olde, the $ indicates deity is a string variable. In plain English, that means it will contain any input I designate to calculate subsequent processes. The usage is humorous.

Seth and Jane Roberts went off the radar so long ago! She was from Elmira, NY, a backwater town if there ever was that got totally swamped in the flood of 72.

But yes, the linked passage reminded me of Seth.


* "programmed" = wrote the code that produces type on the lowest level. The stuff you can't see that goes on when you type and want something to happen. Didn't know there are type gnomes, didja? I don't do that any more 

Morrighan wrote on Apr 30^th, 2018 at 6:06pm:


Morrighan ...

Yeah, people are going to have different experiences (and end up with different programming).

The word "deity" does not resonate with me individually. I currently keep things fairly general by using pointers such as "being" or "spirit" or "creator". These words carry more meaning for me. And, if I know the name of a being after meeting them, I will use that. However, most of the beings worthy of my reverence generally remain nameless (e.g., naming is mostly a 3D convention).

There are certainly beings of Spirit and Creation worthy of my reverence ... but not my worship. Worship, from my own experience and understanding, leads to idolatry. And, "deity" reminds me a bit of that kind of vibration (e.g., worship).

I like Seth. I am not a follower, but he has been helpful to me. For example, I requested his "Gate of Horn dream" a couple of years ago (after learning about it) and it changed things for me (my perspective). It provided a very clarifying experience.

I can also understand why some people project Jane's and Rob's human mistakes onto Seth, when they talk about the Seth material. To their human credit though ... Rob was very supportive of the work up until his last moments as human. The Seth material has remained available because of him. And Jane, she was a pioneer and explorer. As 3D humans, they did not always listen to Seth (e.g., like moving the frig out of the bathroom) ... but they did serve as publishers for Seth (e.g., and it is my understanding that is what he wanted ... publishers ... and this tidbit came from DeMarco's TGU many years ago in "The Sphere & The Hologram"). Abraham (Hicks) also talks a lot about Seth, as Seth is now part of Abraham (according to Abraham).

I believe that Michael Prescott made some good points of something Seth supposedly said. Below is a link.

http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2007/10/my-problem-wit...

Recoverer 2 wrote on May 1^st, 2018 at 1:11pm:


Albert

I never claimed that "Seth is the gold standard". I was quoting what Frank DeMarco stated about Seth for Morrighan, as she shared her own experience of how she connected with "Frank DeMarco's material". The quotation was directed to Morrighan. So, if you have an issue with DeMarco’s opinion of Seth … THEN go complain to him, OK?

I have never made this thread about Seth. You are "wedging in" your own opinions about the Seth material and now distracting from the primary conversation here. I was trying to have a conversation with Morrighan about her experiences with Frank DeMarco’s material. Do you see how you are now disrupting the thread and taking things way off the established topic?

You have already posted three times about Seth here today, when that was not the topic. This is disconcerting, because I have been respectful of you. And, I have been posting my experiences on this thread now for months with little interaction from you for weeks now, but today you show up and suddenly pick out a tiny detail in my conversation with Morrighan (e.g., Seth). Then, you wedge yourself into the thread by presenting a long discourse about everything wrong with Jane and Rob with many links and about others who are anti Jane and Rob. We were not discussing Jane and Rob here.

Do you see how you came into this conversation sideways and off-topic? And by persisting in that effort, you are starting to stink up the thread here. Please know that (in saying this) I am NOT saying that you can’t have your opinions about Seth.

I will now take a moment to answer your presented question to me. As far as my own interactions with the Seth’s teaching, it has worked for me the few times that I have worked with it. I am NOT a follower of Seth, and I have not read any Seth books. For me, Seth is an older message and I prefer newer teachings, so the Seth materials are not a priority for me at this time. However, when I have followed suggestions by Seth in the past (while ignoring whatever Rob and Jane were doing at the time), I have found the Seth material very helpful. This is why I made the general statement that people "project their opinions of Jane and Rob onto the Seth material". When I take Jane and Rob out of it, what Seth is saying has worked for me.

Finally, I am speaking up here directly to you (and at length), because I take responsibility for what happens in this thread. I do NOT want you “wedging in” your past arguments with Morrighan onto my thread. Understand? You need to show enough respect to let Morrighan and I have our conversation ... whether or not you agree with its basis or detail.

So, here’s the bottom line. If you are going post further about Seth, take it somewhere else (e.g., not on this thread). And, if you want to stay here on this thread (which is fine), then FIRST catch up by reading some of the Frank DeMarco links that I have shared over the last two weeks and you may then join the conversation. Please stay on the general topic, stay current, and do not “snipe at” small details and then go into a long diatribes or discourses about that. Keep your comments on topic and weigh the length of your comments to what is actually being discussed.

Finally, the next time something like this happens ... I will simply and quietly report the comment for moderation. You have been fairly and firmly warned.

Subtle Traveler,

Thanks for pointing me toward Frank's blog entries.  I haven't read his stuff before, (even though I do have a couple of his books) but have only heard of what he writes through friends, but I'm seeing how much I understand and relate to what he writes about because it's right in line with how I think about our reality and what I know and believe from my own experiences. 

Can you explain a little about what the All-D concept?  It means the coexistance of everything in and across all dimensions at the same time, as opposed to the concept of "here now, there later" kind of thing right?

I am enjoying the conversation. I am no intellectual, so I won't pretend to be one, but what I am hearing is a repetition of the idea that we are not separate from 'spirit' -- by no means. We are spirit. We are talking about the volcano under the ocean. Sometimes it seems below the waves and inactive. Sometimes it creates a new island. We are the volcano and we are the island. We are also all that is above the island. It is all one, and it is all good.

seagullresting wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 3:35pm:


hey SGR ... thanks for chiming in!

I like what you are suggesting with "waves and volcanos". It actually relates. The metaphor (or scaffolding) that TGU has been discussing is "the weather" (e.g., the weather = Spirit). You are closer than you may realize. (lol)

I might add to your comment that what I am learning is that we are BOTH (1) not separate from Spirit, and (2) not separate from our guidance or community of souls supporting us. There is a difference between them, and it primarily relates to being human. Some Spirits create souls with a human, 3D experience (e.g., complex beings with the soul a primary form). Some do not become human souls, and are considered "Unitary Beings" (remaining Spirit but having their own form).

While Spirit creates soul(s) or complex beings (e.g., humans), Spirit does not always become a soul (e.g., unitary). This is how things are consistently presented in DeMarco's recent discussions with his guides (TGU).

These labels provide a way to temporarily discuss and share these things.

Seagullresting,

I'm enjoying this too.  I use analogies a lot, too much probably, but they help me keep my head on straight trying to understand these complex concepts.

Vicky wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 4:36pm:


Vicky ...

I like your Bruce story. I am going to read that again. fwiw, I got sparked this morning when DeMarco shared his Bruce Moen memory. It seemed 'crafted' for a brief moment.

Yes ... non-3D is pretty much everything else (and even TGU has their limitations) ... that's how I understand it and how I use the non-3D concept. Think of it maybe this way ... we are here in 3D creating a non-3D mind and we take that and a soul with us (e.g., the mind is non-3D) when the body stops working.

btw, I just read what I wrote to you. And, I did not do a very good job communicating. I have decided that I will look up a few blog posts on DeMarco's web site and post a few links here for you (e.g., discussing the All-D).

Morrighan wrote on May 2^nd, 2018 at 5:11pm:


I can certainly be "wyle e" ...

but today so far it's ...

Meep! Meep! ............... Whooooooooosh (insert cloud of dust here)!

I have fond memories of all the Warner Bros. cartoons while growing up in the 60's and 70's ... Daffy, Bugs, Peter Puma, Wyle E, Pepe Lepew, etc ... I could probably name them all even though I have not seen the cartoons in decades.

Their antics and stark characterizations made me laugh (as intended). It was never controversial that I watched a cartoon and laughed.

And hello.

That in reading Frank DeMarco's material in the links upthread I am reminded of Seth does not imply an endorsement of Seth. What it seems to me as I read is Frank DeMarco speaks of what I might term technical matters.

Read a lot of Seth material in the 70s. Am I now the person who read that material? I have all those memories, but .... As a technical matter, the Seth material formed part of my field. All fields change state.

Perhaps one way to contemplate the phenomenon is to consider TGU are also part of the greater field. Who is it who coined "I - There" ?

Morrighan wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 7:05am:


Yes, TGU are the various non-3D lives (e.g., threads) supporting the soul or extension ... Frank DeMarco.

I have met some of my own community also ... beginning with the being I named "Courage" in an early OBE. I found DeMarco's writing and Abraham-Hicks after that experience, and that's how I began expanding my exploration of my own community.

While Monroe's I-There may be the same, I do think that it is worth noting for Monroe the context was a bit different. His perception in Ultimate Journey (which I have read) was that he was collecting up the unknown parts of himself in his travels ... thus his label "I-There" for the cluster of them. This activity seemed similar to TMI's concept of retrieval.

In some contrast, DeMarco did not have the experience of "collecting them up". He simply began communicating with them in everyday 3D life. He did have an early experience where he went back in time and healed one the past lives (e.g., John Smallwood).

Your "field" label or pointer relates. I think that it is reasonable way for you to orient to DeMarco's material.

I will save my comments about Seth for a future post. I have decided to share one of my experiences with the Seth material.

seagullresting wrote on May 4^th, 2018 at 5:00pm:


This is exactly how DeMarco began journaling himself in the late 1960's / early 1970's (in his 20's). Then when he had a Gateway Experience at TMI near 1990 (???) about 20 years later, that is when things expanded for him and he became more conscious of where the information was coming from (e.g., my wording).

Thanks Seagullresting!

I was not introduced to Seth (at least in a meaningful way) until maybe 2 to 3 years ago.

Regarding your "relating experiences as it holds meaning to new material on life" ... DeMarco would probably strongly agree with you. He tends to be eclectic in what he reads (my observation).

For myself, I know that I have had a very specific focus for the last two years which appears to be guiding me ... and it is this ... I will listen to, work with or read others who are focused on working with their own inner guidance. DeMarco does this daily and talks about it on a level that is common to nearly everyone (e.g., if I can do it, others can do it), so I am naturally chattering about him and his work here.

I noticed a helpful, summarizing blog post from Frank DeMarco this morning. It outlines the sourcing of his three currently unpublished books and shows the matching series of blog posts which contain the contents of each book.

http://ofmyownknowledge.com/2018/05/05/source-material-for-three-new-books/ (provides start and end)

I have noticed that DeMarco usually works around 3 months on bringing forth the material for each book (e.g., using ILC writing and transcription nearly daily). So, by using this listing in the blog post someone could read his 3 most current books on his blog for free.

Just in case anyone is interested ...

That's some quality digging to unearth those.

***

While presently holding no link with TMI, there is a period of time where I tracked their trajectory with some attention. And I paid particular attention to which free downloads were once offered and later withdrawn from public circulation. It appeared to me a curious thing to watch as I also tracked the remote viewing community withdrawing from public sight. (Many military remote viewers hold / held links to TMI.)

***

All the recorded material  like this I collected over the years is in near-line storage. Not listened to any of it in ages. For me, the change occurred during my association with an extraordinarily skilled woman who introduced me to yoga nidra. I will state for the record: do not attempt yoga nidra on your own.

***

Observing in this thread recapitulations of those who are present: we see in ourselves what brings us here to share with others. Individual journeys that are also collective journeys: Both / And.

Subtle Traveler wrote on Sep 4^th, 2018 at 4:11pm:



You're welcome and I'm glad you feel more secure now.  There was a recent webhost change but mostly I don't think anyone noticed a thing, except for the http vs https.  A big thank-you goes to Allan who takes care of all the tech support stuff here.

So ST, now I hope to see you doing more chatting here.  I've missed you.  Anymore experiences to share?

I just have something to think about for you. Tell me, why  wait in the vibrational state? Or even why expecting vibrations to happen before OBE? Does a invisible force grab you and transfers you near bed or someplace in the nonphysical world and then you go exploring?