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Reply #105 - Apr 4th, 2010 at 10:50pm
 
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:56am:
[quote author=7C4A5D4E5F47465C1E2F0 link=1268502700/94#94 date=1270187504]4/1/10 - afternoon session:

Hi M: This may be a bit above your pay grade, but, in my relaxation session precursor to some stuff I am doing… I discovered an articulated  mass which seems to reside in the sternal area… now, remember the heart chakra is the central engine of almost everything that happens in the upper realms… I have tentatively identified what I believe to be the gateway heart chakra energy uses to enter the physical realm

http://www.elrinajoubert-huebner.online.de/assets/images/carotid_and_aortic_bodi...


The articulating masses may be those vagus nerve entry points (red) into the aortic bodies… now the exciting thing is this… I’ve been contacting the level… ( I have achieved a powerful level of relaxation which is on the verge of the first level of trance… because in one of the sessions in my AKG work… I relaxed specific muscle groups and realized eventually I will be able to relax every muscle group individual in some future time as I continue down this road… this may be the breakthrough area… I’m going to focus on it… because I believe if I breakthrough it… I will get into a the first level of trance state… this is important because I think this is the level that gives one control of The Fundamental Energy bodies mechanism for consciously and controlledly generating The Expanded Energy body… etc…

This is mostly automatic but, it probably is more powerful if you can gain conscious control of the process… this is exciting… but, the exercise that I am using is  Bruce Moen’s even breathing system… it is cut one on disc one… which you should either have or will be receiving shortly… it is better than any relaxation exercise I ever encountered.

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msagansk wrote on Apr 4th, 2010 at 7:38pm:
Ah ok, thanks. So I should be looking at things from a larger perspective to have things make more sense.



The Vagus Nerve:

The vagus nerve also called cranial nerve X, the Wanderer or sometimes the Rambler, is the tenth of twelve (excluding CN0) paired cranial nerves. Upon leaving the medulla between the olivary nucleus and the inferior cerebellar penduncle, it extends through the jugular foramen, then passing into the carotid sheath between the internal carotid artery and the internal jugular vein down below the head, to the neck, chest and abdomen, where it contributes to the innervation of the viscera. Besides output to the various organs in the body the vagus nerve conveys sensory information about the state of the body's organs to the central nervous system. 80-90% of the nerve fibers in the vagus nerve are afferent (sensory) nerves communicating the state of the viscera to the brain.[1]
The medieval Latin word vagus means literally "Wandering" (the words vagrant, vagabond, and vague come from the same root). Sometimes the branches are spoken of in the plural and are thus called vagi (pronounced /ˈveɪdʒаɪ/, us dict: vā′·jī). The vagus is also called the pneumogastric nerve since it innervates both the lungs and the stomach.




As you will note had I been focused only on content… when I first contacted the articulated mass I might have missed the greater significance of what his all means. The Vegus nerve is well named… the Wanderer… note its function… so when I intuited it may be the gateway to another level of trance this may be much more significant than one might guess or think at first glance… it is one of the 12 cranial nerves, which in some biblical symbology is one of the 12 apostles… or one of the twelve gates of Solomon’s temple… because of this discovery I am now focusing on attempting to penetrate this articulate mass… and see where it take me…

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Reply #106 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:14am
 
Ok well that's way beyond me at this point, but that's interesting.
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Reply #107 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:17am
 
msagansk wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:14am:
Ok well that's way beyond me at this point, but that's interesting.


LOL!! Essentially you have elected to take a tiger by the tail..! Hang on.

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Reply #108 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:43pm
 
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
4/5/10 - afternoon session:

The intimate connection between the fundamental energy body in my case is amazingly tenacious... or I may be trying to hard... but I made contact with the articulated mass again... this has to be the connection to the aortic mass... and the five vegus nerve connections make the whole thing seem like an articulating mass... then I carefully attempted to enter my consciousness into it... my breathing stopped momentarily... and then the throat chakra kicked in and I started coughing and that broke up the attempt...

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Reply #109 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:06pm
 
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:43pm:
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
4/5/10 - afternoon session:

The intimate connection between the fundamental energy body in my case is amazingly tenacious... or I may be trying to hard... but I made contact with the articulated mass again... this has to be the connection to the aortic mass... and the five vegus nerve connections make the whole thing seem like an articulating mass... then I carefully attempted to enter my consciousness into it... my breathing stopped momentarily... and then the throat chakra kicked in and I started coughing and that broke up the attempt...

S.



I find it pretty amazing you can get into such fine detail with the energy body, I didn't know that was possible. But then again I suppose people like Robert Bruce had to map it out somehow.
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Reply #110 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 3:19am
 
msagansk wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:06pm:
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:43pm:
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
4/5/10 - afternoon session:

The intimate connection between the fundamental energy body in my case is amazingly tenacious... or I may be trying to hard... but I made contact with the articulated mass again... this has to be the connection to the aortic mass... and the five vegus nerve connections make the whole thing seem like an articulating mass... then I carefully attempted to enter my consciousness into it... my breathing stopped momentarily... and then the throat chakra kicked in and I started coughing and that broke up the attempt...

S.



I find it pretty amazing you can get into such fine detail with the energy body, I didn't know that was possible. But then again I suppose people like Robert Bruce had to map it out somehow.


Hi M: This is the road you are on... I haven't penetrated the mass yet... so until I do I haven't done anything.

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Reply #111 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 2:57pm
 
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 25

Book Reading:

    * I’ve finished reading both “World of Lucid Dreaming” and “Adventures Beyond the Body”, and am currently starting “The Power of Now”.
    * World of Lucid Dreaming was good but it contained a lot of information I already knew, so it just filled in some gaps of my knowledge.
    * Adventures Beyond the Body was ok. I liked his dimensional model of the non-physical universe but there wasn’t very much meat to the book. I liked reading about his personal experiences but they didn’t really connect with the rest of his book very well. He makes some great arguments for the benefits of OBE’s but does little to back it up.
    * I’ve only started reading  “The Power of Now”, but I can already see the power behind this book. I think it will greatly help with my mind taming exercises.

Program Notes/Observations:

    * Primary energy center work this week so far has been quite productive. I have felt a lot of activity in my base chakra, little activity in my naval chakra, and a moderate amount in my solar plexus.

Dream Notes:

    * I had my first lucid dream last night ever since I’ve started this 90-day trial! That’s the third I’ve had in my lifetime.
    * I attribute my success this time primarily to the wake back to bed (WBTB) method. The reality checks, affirmations, and energy work also help as well of course. I fell asleep just after 11:00, woke up at around 3:30, stayed up for about 10 minutes (went to the bathroom, drank a glass of water), and then went back to bed. I focused my intention on holding my consciousness into my dream, repeating the affirmation “I am more and more conscious in my dreams” as I fell asleep.
    * At first I thought it was a Wake Induced Lucid Dream (WILD). But, after I woke up and thought about it some more, I think it was more likely a Dream Induced Lucid Dream (DILD). There was a small break in consciousness between being awake and asleep, but it was much smaller than usual, which I think helped me realize it was a dream right off the bat.
    * In the dream, I found myself lieing in my bed, but the room was different. A woman came out of a painting and materialized in front of me. I asked her if she is a spirit guide and she said “No, but my dad is”.
    * I then asked her “How do I know this is real?” She didn’t answer with words but just reached out and touched my base chakra. This was an incredibly intense feeling which almost made me wake up – I’m pretty sure I lost some lucidity after this as it sort of turned into a regular dream afterward.
    * The fact that she touched my base chakra was interesting because the base chakra has been the one I’ve activated the most with my energy work so far.
    * After I woke up, my base chakra throbbed quite intensely for about an hour and has mildly throbbed/felt active for the whole day so far.

It’s great to see some of this work starting to pay off. This has been quite exciting so far and I can’t wait to see where this goes!
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Reply #112 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 4:07pm
 
The adrenal gland is associated with the base chakra, so that's probably why you felt so energized!
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Reply #113 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm
 
msagansk wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 2:57pm:
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Day 25

Book Reading:

    * I’ve finished reading both “World of Lucid Dreaming” and “Adventures Beyond the Body”, and am currently starting “The Power of Now”.
    * World of Lucid Dreaming was good but it contained a lot of information I already knew, so it just filled in some gaps of my knowledge.
    * Adventures Beyond the Body was ok. I liked his dimensional model of the non-physical universe but there wasn’t very much meat to the book. I liked reading about his personal experiences but they didn’t really connect with the rest of his book very well. He makes some great arguments for the benefits of OBE’s but does little to back it up.
    * I’ve only started reading  “The Power of Now”, but I can already see the power behind this book. I think it will greatly help with my mind taming exercises.



Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

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Reply #114 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 7:23pm
 
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm:
Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

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I have actually. Smiley

That's what sparked this whole quest in the first place, which is what I wrote in the first post. I'll forgive you for forgetting that. Tongue

I've listened to the first few tracks of the gateway before I decided to do the 90 day trial. I started to have some success but stopped doing it due to myself letting other things get in the way.

I definitely plan on doing it next.

I assume you meant the Gateway Experience CD's, not the Gateway Voyage. I'd like to go do the Gateway Voyage at TMI but that's a little out of my price range at the moment.
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Reply #115 - Apr 6th, 2010 at 8:54pm
 
msagansk wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 7:23pm:
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm:
Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

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I have actually. Smiley

That's what sparked this whole quest in the first place, which is what I wrote in the first post. I'll forgive you for forgetting that. Tongue

I've listened to the first few tracks of the gateway before I decided to do the 90 day trial. I started to have some success but stopped doing it due to myself letting other things get in the way.

I definitely plan on doing it next.

I assume you meant the Gateway Experience CD's, not the Gateway Voyage. I'd like to go do the Gateway Voyage at TMI but that's a little out of my price range at the moment.


Hi M: Sorry about the lapse in memory... I read a lot of post and remember the details of few... that's why I ask redundant questions  Smiley

I have gateway experience... so I don't know which would be better... maybe others can advise you better...

But aim for a live seminar.

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Reply #116 - Apr 7th, 2010 at 2:13am
 
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 8:54pm:
msagansk wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 7:23pm:
Seraphis1 wrote on Apr 6th, 2010 at 6:10pm:
Hi M: Have you read the Monroe trilogy? If you have you should consider doing TMI - Gateway after 90days...

S.


I have actually. Smiley

That's what sparked this whole quest in the first place, which is what I wrote in the first post. I'll forgive you for forgetting that. Tongue

I've listened to the first few tracks of the gateway before I decided to do the 90 day trial. I started to have some success but stopped doing it due to myself letting other things get in the way.

I definitely plan on doing it next.

I assume you meant the Gateway Experience CD's, not the Gateway Voyage. I'd like to go do the Gateway Voyage at TMI but that's a little out of my price range at the moment.


Hi M: Sorry about the lapse in memory... I read a lot of post and remember the details of few... that's why I ask redundant questions  Smiley

I have gateway experience... so I don't know which would be better... maybe others can advise you better...

But aim for a live seminar.

S.


Hi M: Here’s what I know about this work. After you do 90days… you should put 3 to 6 months between the intense work… because you consciousness needs to consolidate and reorder your aura… it takes about this long for that to happen… you more or less will intuit when you are ready to go forward… but, you should aim for a live Faber experience… for this reason… Monroe chose the area because of an energy vortex in this area… this makes sense because Edgar Cayce’s center is in this area and he was very attuned to the vibration of the area… it is probably no accident that Thomas Jefferson’s Montecello is in this area… also, there are two giant crystals on the property… here is what Dr. David Hawkins says about direct live access to spiritual power centers (I assume human and natural)…

“…A frequent problem of the relentless spiritual seeker is that they have not had the personal presence of a teacher with a high enough level of consciousness, that is, one whose aura has the power to catalyzed the transformation of information into subjective awareness/experience. A truly enlightened teacher provides, via the aura, a high-energy context that illuminates and activate the student’s content from the mental body into the higher spiritual bodies…. Excerpted from I/Reality and Subjectivity. “

The Trainers at Faber are the best that TMI has to offer… if you can get a Tank session and bath in the aura of the expanding consciousness of your fellow students and get a lot of crystal communing in when you are at Faber… this may fulfill Hawkins criteria of an enlightened being encounter…

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Reply #117 - Apr 7th, 2010 at 12:03pm
 
That's funny because I just read about the importance of having a spiritual teacher closeby in Eckhart Tolle's the Power of Now.

Point taken, I'll see what I can do.
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Reply #118 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 3:47pm
 
OBE/Astral Projection Trial Week 5 Day 29

The past week focused on energy work with my primary energy centers (chakras). I was able to become aware of and stimulate each one with varying degrees of success. It’s interesting that each chakra seemed to give me a different response or feeling when compared to the others.

Raising energy has now become relatively easy for me, it’s almost a habit now. It will be a part of the rest of the 90 day program and I will likely continue it in some form afterward. I attribute this to the fact that I’ve been doing it everyday now for about a month, which is what Steve Pavlina recommends as the minimum time for forming a new habit.

In fact, I have been finding mind taming to be more difficult. I’m still working on this everyday as well by doing breath awareness, and I’m getting better. If I’m not careful it’s just so easy to slip into a daydream or useless dialogue with myself. I know I probably shouldn’t be saying that though, as it just reinforces itself as an intention.

I’ve been getting better at remembering my dreams, to the point where I can remember various scenes from a dream in the middle of the day without having to refer to my notes. That used to be completely impossible for me, so it’s great to see that progress. There’s still plenty of room for improvement though.

I’ve received Bruce Moen’s “Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook”, along with an accompanying CD and DVD. I watched the DVD “Exploring More of the Afterlife”, and wow, I was pretty blown away. The quality of the video isn’t the greatest but Bruce talks about some pretty advanced (dare I say crazy?) stuff.

This week’s focus is on getting into the trance state. This is the state I need to be in before trying an OBE exit technique. I will be learning OBE exit techniques next week, which is exciting because I haven’t actually tried to have an out of body experience yet in this program.

In my various explorations with astral projection in the past, I used to try to get into the trance state while lying down. This was easier than sitting to get into the trance state, but I would frequently go to deep and “click out”/fall asleep. Mastering Astral Projection recommends using slight discomfort to make sure you don’t fall asleep, so they recommend sitting in a hard backed chair. The fact that you then have to balance your head keeps you from falling asleep, but on the flip-side it’s harder to get into a trance state (mind awake/body asleep).

My first attempt at mind awake/body asleep in my chair today went alright. I didn’t get as deep as I have in the past while lying down, but I just need some practice. The technique used today was to picture and feel myself going down an elevator. I will let you know how it progresses.
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Reply #119 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 4:24pm
 
Hi Michael,

Thank you for posting your journal. I like your comprehensive approach. I have not experienced OBEs myself, so I have to use Bruce's guidebook for my explorations. It has proven to be the easiest and the most straightforward method that I have ever seen. It so simple that it hard to believe in that it works all the time Smiley
I admit that an energy level of an explorer makes a huge difference.
What method do you use to raise your energy?
I have been recently using the Bob Monroe’s technique from his first book. This is the technique:

"Establish the vibration waves. As you continue breathing through your
half-opened mouth, concentrate on the blackness in front of your closed eyes. Look first into the blackness at a spot a foot away from your forehead. Now move your point of concentration to three feet away, and then six feet. Hold for a while until the point is firmly established. From there, turn the point 90° upward, on a line parallel to the body axis and reaching out above the head. Reach for the vibrations at that spot. When you find them, mentally pull them back into your head.
Manipulation and modulation. Once you have eliminated the fear
reactions, you are ready for control steps. First, mentally "direct" the
vibrations into a ring, or force them all into your head. Then mentally
push them down along your body to your toes, then back up to your head.
Start them sweeping in a wave over your body rhythmically, from head to
toes and then back again. After you have given the wave momentum, let it
proceed of its own accord until it fades away. It should take about ten
seconds-five down, five back-for the wave to make the complete circuit,
from head to toes and back. Practice this until the vibration wave
begins instantly upon mental command, and moves steadily until fade-out."

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