I have not heard of that specific claim.  But what does concern me is the variety of evidence for doppelganger paranormal experiences as well as so-called guardian angels that take the form of specific humans to impart a message about them.  Robert Bruce's astral visits to spirit hospitals teach him that the nursing and medical staff are not the independent souls they appear to be, but rather archetypal figures or thought forms invented to create an earthlike hospital atmosphere.  For RB, this impression is enhanced by his frustrated attempts to carry on a meaningul dialogue with them. It is also well known that negative entities, whatever they are, often impersonate other humans, both living and deceased.  The net effect of all these counterfeiting phenomena, benign or malevolent, on me is to make me question whether family reunions during NDEs really connect the percipient with whom they seem to be in contact!

I might add that all the NDE hints of a postmortem career for us seem to contradict an efforts to preempt such careers with a reincarnation process.

  Can't speak specifically to the afterlife context about the White Light, but from my experiences with perceiving the White Light, it's always been in relation to positive experiences and very positive consciousnesses. 

  The kinds of consciousnesses I communicate with when I perceive the White Light, I strongly sense/know/perceive as being of pure Love. When in communion with them, I feel/experience complete peace, contentment, very strong sense of connectedness, and basically the very essence of that we call "positive" and "Love".  I've also gotten the perception that these are fully conscious of their Oneness with the Whole and with Source. In a dream experience I was given a glimpse of that kind of degree of consciousness expansion, and it was quite something else.

   I've also read a fair amount of NDE's, and White Light consistently corresponds to experiences with Godly, Light Beings/Helpers, when it applies to specific interactions with individuals/groups/levels.

  Due to the above combo, I doubt that the "White Light" as a trap theory is correct. 

   My sense is that Bruce was mostly correct when he wrote that one of the primary reasons why many reincarnate as humans, besides curiosity, experience, etc, is those feelings of debt we feel, when we've hurt others in our lives.  That we try to balance these. I related the verified psychic experience I had with another that dealt with a much earlier dream, then meeting with an individual I know my "Disk" had had a life with and karma to balance/work out. The decade earlier dream and the psychic verification with her, explained why I felt such strong feelings of sense of responsibility to her, like I had to be there for her no matter what.   

   This very much also goes along with the Cayce work, and that karma is a real Soul issue. NDE's also indirectly support this as well, as many talk about Life reviews, and a big part of Life reviews involves realizing what we need to work on to grow more fully to Love and Source consciousness, in a conscious sense. 

   This is not to say, this is what all human lives are about.  Some individuals have come here from other, different and more expanded systems of consciousness, solely for the purpose of service, exampling, and/or retrieval.  If these keep their vibratory patterns fast, they will bypass the human connected afterlife/Solar consciousness system and return to the systems they came from or expand into a more expanded system that they came here from.  (Some going to the core of Source).

    Why not ask to connect with only the most expanded, loving, helpful, constructive etc consciousnesses, and ask them about this issue/question?  I believe this level and these individuals can help us more than any in physical humans (unless we're talking a He/She type) or even regular nonphysically focused guides.  Certainly they can help us with the most accurate and helpful info and perspectives beyond these. 

  I don't really plan to post here, but felt nudged to speak on this issue.

I believe the white light is beautiful and not to be feared. During a medical procedure many years ago I rested in it while something of a "red" nature was happening off to my front left as I perceived it. When I awoke from the procedure I had such a broad smile on my face that the doctor could not help but ask what I had experienced. I could not even describe it.

However, during meditation a person can experience such moments and they are places which one could not help but want to return.

     I've read a good many abduction experiences. Abductions seem to occur most often with "Grey" ET's, and to a lesser extent Reptilian ET's.   

   There is an interesting pattern that can be observed with Grey ET abductions and experiencers of same when the people go deeper into the experiences and memories (see for example, Dr. John E. Mack's work).

   On a human, physical level, the people involved are often terrified and often need to be subdued in some way by the Grey ET's.  Yet a number of these people whom go deeper and start to get over their human fear, they realize some core fundamentals; they love the Greys and the Greys "love"  (albeit in a more detached, much less emotional way) them, on a soul level they volunteered for the experiences, and that they came from that group themselves (aka, they were previously "Greys" themselves). 

   If the above is true for these Grey abductions, then one can understand why the Greys would use various methods to calm the human animal level of a person. In many of these abductions, when humans communicate with the Greys and vice versa, often times the Greys don't fully understand what all the fuss is about, as they don't experience the kind of fear and the forgetfulness that their human brethren do. 

    As regards Reptilian abductions, well these seem to be different. To be honest, from what I've so far have read, these tend to be less abductions in the classic sense and more contacts most of the time.  Sometimes it seems that the Reptilians are purposely trying to induce fear, rather than calm the humans involved like the Greys.  It seems that Reptilians in sense, feed off fear. (As an aside, I think the Greys and Reptilians are in a war, though not a war that the Greys wanted or desired)

      So when we talk about abductions, I think it's important to specify which group and what larger context.  Especially if we're going to compare other phenomena, draw inference or extrapolate into other areas. 

    What I've received from guidance--mostly, but not only, in the form of intuition re: the Greys, supports the growing view by those experiencers that have gone deeper into their experiences and in a spiritual way--that the Greys are essentially more spiritual and positive than not, though also very different from humans.

In some ways, Greys and humans are almost like polar opposites--especially when it comes to emotions and the experience of individuality. 

   My very strong sense is that their genetic and communication programs and contacts with humans serves two purposes--to help get them out of the hole that they have dug for themselves when they drastically altered their genetics a long time ago (as well as listened to influences not good for them), as well as try to provide help to humans--primarily in the form of expanding our awareness of the larger reality and community out there. 

  They are using human dna to recapture some of what they lost a long time ago--emotions, individuality, and a connection to their "lower" centers.  They want to be of the consciousness that the White Light represents, but they're missing the slower vibratory part of the spectrum, the red, orange, etc.  You can only become the White Light, when all the major frequencies are blended together in a balanced, synthesized manner.

    They thought if they cut out the slow vibratory ones that were giving them so much trouble earlier, that they could short cut their way to the White Light state.  At some point, they realized their mistake, and now they are blending their genetics with human genetics to recover that.

   Also communication and communion with humans is helping them with the energetic aspect of it. This is taking place on many levels, not just abductions.

  My spouse and I had an interesting experience awhile back involving Grey ET's, or rather a Grey ET.  I was out backpacking for the weekend in a wilderness area.  At nighttime, I meditated, and asked guidance to communicate with a positive ET.  I suddenly, out of the blue, got the image of a Grey type face. 

  The interesting thing is that same night (unbeknownst to myself until later), my spouse was at our home, and had a very vivid lucid dream, where she was in our bed, and a Grey ET popped out of nowhere into her perception and seemed to be checking her out. It didn't seem to have much in the way of a sense of boundaries/personal space as one point, it got very close, face to face, and she yelled at it. It was a bit frightening for her, not because of anything sinister that the Grey did or emanated, but by the surprise, suddenness, and closeness of it all. 

    So this Grey ET apparently picked up on our strong energetic connection and decided to visit both of us.

    While I'm not in the camp that views Greys as negative and completely self serving beings, at the same time, neither am I in the camp that puts them on a pedestal as some do.  They are not completed beings, not "gods", they have lessons to learn, and they can and do make mistakes or err. Generally speaking though, they are more evolved than the human group, in the sense that they exist on a faster vibratory/more expanded level of consciousness and are collectively closer to that White Light state of consciousness. (with that said, there are individual humans that are more expanded than their whole group is). 

   There is a kind of arrogance of the Greys towards humans, as they do kind of look down on us (even while realizing that they can learn/benefit from connection with us).  They are a lot more intellectually and technologically advanced, much more energetically/psychically aware and conscious, and war between themselves ended a long, long time ago.  So they tend to view humans, as a group, as barbaric and primitive. A good analogy is if the "Vulcans" from Star Trek, visited a group where the group fought and warred a lot, were destroying their planet, were generally a lot more primitive seeming, etc.

  But spiritually speaking, they are not that far beyond us at all.  And while the Reptilians are more technologically advanced than us, spiritually, they are more stuck and stunted than even we are. Or at least one faction of their larger group/species.

  (perhaps related to the reptilian issue, I just watched an NDE account where a boy was given a glimpse of probable future timeline and saw that later on, an evil alien group would attack us, and it would be very difficult and challenging for humanity.  This seems to echo what Rosalind McKnight received, and the spaced apart, different but connected dreams that my spouse had about a future human life of her's where she observed humanity being warred on/attacked by an ET group further in the future).

   

   

OOB Dude, I've heard of it.  Anymore, I've heard of everything. 

In my own NDE the beautiful white bright light that I saw was undeniably the most loving "magnetic" thing I've ever seen.  I couldn't help but want to go toward it.  The "being" on the other end of that light is the same as what I've known throughout my life as my Guidance.  You could call it a spirit guide or whatever, it doesn't matter.  But it's the same being that has been here for me and helped me throughout my life.  I don't feel I was being deceived that the light was part of my experience and bringing me Home.  It was more like it was just a natural aspect of the process.

It was when I said that I decided to stay and that I wasn't going back that the being told me "Go back to the physical".  I refused again, and he told me again "Go back to the physical" and then I was propelled back with a force I couldn't fight against. 

I was pretty mad about that. 

  Perhaps I should mention that pre this life, I was not in this energy/consciousness system that most Souls that have incarnated as humans are connected to. I was an "ET" so called (neither Grey nor Reptilian--I wasn't body based like these and humans are). I've been given clues all my life about this, starting with a repeating childhood dream where I was on a spaceship traveling from somewhere seemingly far away to Earth and for a definite reason.    

    I came here at this time partly to communicate with and raise awareness about ET's, both the positive and negative ones. One of the things I worked on pre this in physical human life, was learning all about the negative group, what their motives, intentions, etc were, their habits, abilities, their history, etc. (though I don't remember all of this consicously--it comes in bits, over time).

   I've noticed a strong tendency for people to go to extremes with the whole ET thing.  They either focus too much on positive ETs or the positive aspect of ET's for lack of focus on the negative, or they focus too much on the negative ET's or seemingly negative aspects of same for lack of focus on the positive. 

   The larger truth, like with many things in life and reality, is a more complex, relative admixture.  And like with anything in life, it's important to try to maintain balance.

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  Yes, re: the latter part, that's something I'm not sure about either.  I've come across seemingly credible sources which indicate that there are positive Reptilians also, for example. I suppose it's possible--look at humans--we have quite a range. But it seems a lot of ET groups are a lot more collective in nature than humans, which would tend to preclude some of that.

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  My sense is that there is a mix of both.  And some of the ones with physical bodies, have bodies that are a bit faster vibratory than ours, more akin to our etheric level.  Yet, they do essentially exist within what we call "physical reality", and evolved on a physical type planet.  Earth and humans themselves have gone through different cycles wherein our density has increased and decreased.  During the periods where it decreases, and we raise/speed up the vibratory rates of the physical, what we experience as physical reality becomes more fluid and less set/structured.   

  There are those that are completely "mental" level based. Some of these may have started off in the denser physical reality, but evolved out of same.  Some exist within the spiritual, aka they are now within the core of Source and are Co-Creators, but can manifest wherever they like. 

   Pre this life, I spent time primarily in the mental level(s), and explored and communicated with many different systems and groups, both in the mental level and those with both a physical/etheric and mental component.

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  I suppose it's possible, and it's good to question things, but speaking for self, it doesn't ring true to my deeper intuition.  The way guidance works for me in communication, is primarily through intuition.  It's only if I'm really not getting something that I need to get, that I'll get more overt messages like images, "hearing" something, waking or sleeping dreams, etc.  Sometimes if I misperceive something, they'll create/deliver a more overt/obvious, in my face type message.

  Besides the intuitive aspect, there are some basic assumptions within the White Light as a trap concept that doesn't jibe with experiences, guidance, etc related to other concepts.

  First, that reincarnation is a negative thing itself--it's not--it's a process of growth and checks and balances.

That direct, literal reincarnation is common--it's not, many lives are more about new Disk mixes and projections--though occasionally direct, literal reincarnation does happen. Before I became an "ET", I was on earth many thousands of years ago, for example. 

   It assumes that there isn't a collective of positive ET's and spiritual powers/beings that look out for humans and monitor and check the negative ET's.  Like McKnight was told by guidance, I was told similar, that positive, Love based ET's keep an eye out for us and limit the kind and intensity of interaction the Reptilians are allowed to have with us.

    This ascribes more power and freedom to the Reptilians or a negative group, than what is likely in a largely benevolent Universe where guidance does care about and work towards the growth of consciousness. 

   The Reptilians are allowed to interact with humans, but in a limited manner.  Ultimately, they want our planet, and want us to either become like them, or be slaves/play things. However, they are not allowed to war against us in that direct, overt way.

There will come a time, when humans have grown up enough spiritually and technologically, that the positive collective of ETs will let go of our hands, and the Reptilians will be allowed to directly, physically attack us as they desire to.  But this is some 500 years or so in the probable future and not something you and I need to particularly be concerned with right now. 

   I'm not saying there isn't deception and that they don't cause problems here in Earth and with humans (they certainly do), but overall, it's more subtle.  It's mainly through distorting, limiting belief systems, urging us to negative and/or limiting behaviors/actions/thoughts, etc.

  It's when we are connected to the body physical (which is a slow vibratory, dense, fear filled animal being/level), that we can be most influenced by such a group. There is more "resonation" of the body with them. Once we fully disconnect from the body and physical level, and phase into our faster vibratory levels, we are much, much, much less susceptible to being influenced by these.  Hence, how likely are they to influence a large number of Souls who have dropped the body and who have not become stuck? 

    I've had issues with psychic interference from this group, but the solution was pretty simple and effective (once conscious of said interference)--consciously ask the most expanded/PUL attuned, creative-constructive, etc sources for help and protection.  Not so simple or easy, but very effective in combo with the above--to try to live my life as positively and helpfully as I can (which is a very holistic process and involves the physical, mental and spiritual levels). 

Thanks for the responses. I agree with a lot of what you've said, some based on my own personal experiences as well.

I'm curious as to your beliefs on Jesus Christ and the God of Christianity. Lately I've come to realize from my research that there is true power in his name when called upon by true believers. There is also compelling evidence for "aliens" (at least certain types) actually being demons or negative spiritual beings, and of course the parallels between many "abductions" and the out of body experience are striking to say the least. As an example tying this all together, there are abductees who have been able to put an end to the encounters by calling out in Christ's name.

There also seems to be a Jesuit conspiracy within the Catholic church to completely undermine the teachings of the Bible, particularly with their somewhat behind the scenes role in starting and promoting modern astronomy, heliocentrism and certain aspects of science which seem to completely contradict the Bible's word and tend to pull people towards atheism.

Christian cosmology is making more sense to me now than it ever had before. Not to mention I've also had some compelling experiences when meditating on Christ that were interesting to say the least.

Please, share your thoughts!

  To more fully understand the issue of "demons" or the lost ones, you have to more fully understand the history of creation and what happened. 

  There is some truth to the Biblical teachings of the "fall" so called. 

   When Source "moved" and became an active Creator, ending It's extreme/severe loneliness by creating from within Itself, individualized, freewilled consciousnesses, It had to give complete freewill in order to have true, potential, companions. 

   The reality of freewill meant that the created ones did not have to choose companionship with their Source. 

  In the very beginning though, by virtue of our newborn purity, we all were very aware of our connectedness with each other and with that which we came/were birthed from. 

  The majority at first, gravitated back to "closer" companionship with each other and with Source, but there was one with whom something different started to happen. This one, for whatever reason, came to dislike/have antipathy towards it's Source, while at the same time, wanting to be the "core" or center, like Source was and is. 

    Consciousness was more simple and less organized at this point though, and so perception was in many ways, more simple, less discriminitive and less refined.  This one, whom in a vibratory/conscious awareness sense, started to distance itself from Source and the Oneness of the Whole--before it was more out of touch with the collective, influenced some other Sparks/Spirits that it was a good idea to dislike their origins and the true reality (Oneness). 

   These became the "lost ones".  You could say the Spark who influenced them, was an "anti retriever" or one whom facilitated stuckness. 

   Things became "interesting" after Yeshua's original Spirit/Disk self Co-Created the original patterns of this Uni/multiverse. Some of those lost ones found their way into his co-creation.  These started to mess with the patterns, changing them to suit their own inclinations--increasingly disrupting the harmony and balance of the creation.  Some of the newly created Spirits he had birthed into this creation, followed suit.   

    In other words, they re-created His Creation, in their image.  They began to manifest what we might call "belief systems" that were loosely patterned after the original patterns.  For much of what we see in nature; in trees, plants, animals, etc is a reflection of what existed and exists in the original reality and creation (though in many cases, these are not a pure reflection). 

  However, what we call the "physical", is a densified, slow vibratory, reflected, belief system version of same.  The beauty we see here in the physical, in nature, is real enough, though the forms themselves are temporary and will one day not exist in the manner it does now. 

   So now we have the level of the "physical" Universe.  Many other Spirits and Souls came into this level to try to retrieve their ever increasingly stuck siblings--whether the original lost ones, or the ones who followed suit later.

   The Co-Creator and many of It's helpers, tried to influence the physical to the benefit of the stuck ones.  They took very sour lemons and tried to make lemonade.  They eventually were able to alter the physical enough to make it into a school of learning and remembrance.  They were able to seed life on various planets, and try to loosely guide the evolution of the forms and the consciousnesses imbuing same. 

   There are many worlds, and many forms of life in many worlds.  On one particular world, there was a species of beings that were evolving, whom by virtue of their temperament, were more susceptible to the whispering, full of lies, half truths, and distorted voice of the anti-retriever. 

   This species did not start off collectively negative or psychopathic in nature, though they were hot tempered and given to fighting and domination some.  The Reptilians for a long while, had positive aspects and individuals within their culture and way of life.  But it, and they, increasingly became corrupt and self serving.  A particularly negative faction/group within same, ended up destroying their entire world.  By this point, they were already at space exploring technology and it was largely the negative ones which survived this catastrophe. 

   Many of the original lost ones, gravitated to these forms, as remember, Like ever begets, attracts, resonates with, and "likes" Like (that and they were trying to influence them for a long time and eventually succeeded in tipping the balance).  This group and their forms became increasingly psychopathic in nature--yet they retained enough consciousness coherency to survive, and enough to become more collective in nature, but not through Love, but through fear and control--the strongest survives and dominates. More like the collectivity/hierarchy of a pack of predators, rather than the "One mind" of the Greys.

  These forms were attractive to the lost ones, because they are physically powerful and hardy, clever and highly intelligent, and psychically sensitive/aware enough to gain advantages over other forms, on other worlds.

  These became the Vikings of the Universe, but even worse. They are akin to the "Sith Lords" in the Star Wars conceptual fiction. In a sense they are both "demonic", and yet, the forms they work through, are just as physical as your body or mine. The only difference is that they have greater control over what Monroe called the "M band field", and they have much more advanced technology.  Some of which, can temporarily and artificially speed up their body vibratory levels so that they can travel faster than light, disappear/reappear to human perception, etc. 

  They desire our physical world--it's somewhat like their home-world, and is hospitable to their forms. Their plan is to "convert" us to be like them--collective psychopaths. Once they do that, then when they are allowed to, they want to war with and enslave us.  They have been involved with this world and with humans for a long time.

  Freewill is greatly respected by guidance levels, to a point. As mentioned, they are allowed to interact in a limited way for now. This interaction is allowed because of freewill, and because human negativity has attracted and built up a resonation with them. 

  Thankfully for us, there is a collective of more positive and helper type ETs, some also with essentially physical forms (but in many cases, faster vibratory than ours), whom keep the Reptilians in check in some ways.   

   They will not be allowed to directly attack and war against us, until we are able to have a chance against it.  However, it will eventually be allowed, because we have the karma of having attracted them with our collective negativity.  Spiritual powers and guidance cannot and will not do the work for us--we have to ultimately help/save ourselves. 

  But even during the war period, positive ET's will be helping indirectly--with information and sharing of technology that will allow us to defend ourselves.

   This is provided that we handle the coming changes more positively than not. While that is more probable than not, there is the possibility that too much of humanity will allow themselves to be "converted" by the Reptilians and the human psychopaths which are psychically connected to and influenced by them. 

  If that happens, Earth and humanity will become a lost cause. Eventually Souls will withdraw from incarnating here, and the human race will die out.  Meanwhile, the Souls who are here and connected to human form, will go through untold suffering. 

   Thankfully, the above is not probable--what is probable is that humanity, in a more collective way, will grow tremendously and within a relatively short period of time, be fully retrieved, and raise the physical vibrations back to their original, much faster vibratory state.  Then, eventually, the Souls and Disks involved with humanity, will leave en masse to consciously re-merge fully with Source and become what we were meant and hoped to become--full companions and co-creators with same.

  This latter future is the one I would like to see happen, and am working towards. Yet, there is a possibility for the former to happen.  It's important that more humans become aware of the meddling and interference that the Reptilians and the anti-retriever do in this world. 

    You mention the Catholic religion, etc.  Some of the distortions within Christianity have their origin and influence in these.  Many humans are easy enough to influence psychically on part of the Reptilians and the anti-retriever.  Where you find limiting belief systems, you tend to find them behind the scenes somewhere. 

   Granted, we also have to deal with the nature of the human body itself--for that is much of what some call "ego".  But remember, the ego of the human body, resonates more strongly with the Reptilians and slower vibratory forces, than with expanded Guidance, our Expanded selves, etc.

  Hence the continued struggle, hence the continued stuckess here.   

   Some worlds, and some species were able to evolve without interference of the Reptilians, and it correspondingly was easier for them to be retrieved/retrieve themselves.  Many ET groups are closer to Source within their consciousnesses, and use forms that are faster vibratory and less limited than our own. 

   The Greys went through their own saga with the anti-retriever and later the Reptilians. They originally were very influenced by negative forces.  They ended up polluting their homeworld to eventual un-sustainability (not by nuclear/bomb like destruction, like the Reptilians).  This is why in human-Grey contacts, the Greys so often harp on the need to treat our planet with much more respect. 

They have been through it themselves and know first hand! 

  The Reptilians are in a war with the Greys and try to influence human perception to the negative about them.  This happens in various different ways.  But this post is too long to begin with.  Suffice it to say, the Greys have become an active part of the human retrieval process/plan, while trying to retrieve themselves. 

  I feel for them, because they deeply long for their Home of Homes--conscious unification with Source.  They are not well understood by humans because in some ways, they are very different.  They cut out their base drives (sex drive, etc) and emotions genetically from their bodies a long time ago, in a short sighted effort to "improve" themselves.  This led to further problems they had not foreseen. They have been trying to dig themselves out of this hole for a long time.

  They are one of the main groups protecting us physically from the Reptilians and full on attack. They also will help out from the psychic side, if they are asked.  However, I recommend going up further so to speak, when asking for such help.  The Co-Creator level is the level of Guidance that can help any and all the most (via intercommunication with our Expanded self/Disk level). 

   It is to this level that I seek to be led from, to have direct, guide and shield me. These cannot and will not steer you wrong. They have no limited beliefs or perceptions. They are crystal clear and have access to all data, all info, and are completely motivated by pure, unconditional, universal Love.  They, like the beautiful Source which birthed them and us, desire our full, working companionship, though they will never force it. 

  It can be hard at times, for humans to perceive these, because they are so fast vibratory and so beyond physical vibrations.  This is why certain techniques and body attunements are necessary and helpful. Some of Bruce's are excellent.  Many that Cayce's guidance outlined are excellent.  But the main thing, is the conscious desire and intent to commune and connect only with these through one's own Expanded self/Disk. 

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I forgot my password and had to change my name to Recoverer  2.

I’ve recently stumbled upon some of the things people are saying about false light and forced reincarnation. Here are some points to consider.

1.      People can become extremists about all kinds of belief systems; this includes the people who speak about the matrix and things such as false light and forced reincarnation. Some of these people, even though they supposedly represent a paradigm that is beyond the deception and misleading that takes place in this world, seem to have a state of mind that is as lacking in freedom as any other fundamentalist.
2.      Numerous people have very detailed descriptions of what is going on, and these descriptions defer from each other, sometimes in very significant ways. This shows that a description of what takes place isn’t true, simply because it seems very detailed and sophisticated.

I’ve experienced the presence of demonic-like beings on more than one occasion. Such beings felt intelligent, powerful and very evil. I do not see how such beings could create love-based energy that is comparable to the divine love I’ve experienced on numerous occasions, and that other people have experienced during experiences such as near death experiences. Such divine love includes not only a positive feeling, but also wisdom and values that are quite significant and precious. I don’t see how negative beings could create a way of being that has such wisdom, meaning and nobility, without being affected by it.  The energy level of the demonic beings I experienced was quite different than the divine love level of being I experienced.

Plus, many near death experiencers, including those who see the light in some way, go through very extensive life reviews where no parts of their lives are hidden and they change for the better. To me it seems very questionable that dark beings cause people to have such detailed and life changing reviews with the ulterior motive of getting people to accept the light part so they’ll go to the fake light after they die. If such dark beings had the ability to mimic divine love and have people go through in depth life reviews, would they have to trick people about a false light? They could simply just force them to reincarnate. All things considered, it seems to me that people return from NDEs not because they are forced to, but because they feel dedicated to in some way being helpful after they return to this world. (I make this later point because some sources state the possible false equivalency of “forced return from an NDE is the same thing as forced reincarnation.”).

The demonic beings I experienced felt powerful, yet they weren’t able to force me to be something other than what I want to be. When they attacked me I tuned into my spirit self, my dedication to divine will, and shared love with them. This approach has worked on numerous occasions.

I have had a few OBE like experiences where the dark beings that troubled me were stubborn and they didn’t respond to the above approach right away. On each occasion I started to sing “I love God, I love Christ,” and then they went away.

I’m not certain, but I believe that during experiences that included the first approach I dealt with actual demon-like beings. During the experiences where I sang, I think my love-based spirit guidance of some form created the experiences in order to make the point of being supported by levels of being that are beyond demonic levels of existence.

About two weeks ago I had a dream. I was with a group of people. Demonic-like beings were overtaking us, I asked Jesus for help, and the demonic beings immediately lost their control of me. I told the other people about my success, they did the same, and the demonic beings lost control of those people.

I’m not suggesting in any way that people become some sort of Christian fundamentalist, but perhaps Jesus has a connection to a level of being that is above the demonic level of being.

If you go by what some matrix extremists seem to say, there is no one we can rely on. What do such people plan to do after they die? Hide in a corner because they are afraid of everything? I wouldn’t be surprised if some of such people need retrieval help after they die and it will be hard to convince them to accept help, because they’ll assume that the love that is offered is fake.

When it comes to the new age gurus of this world, sometimes a game of being higher and more true than other sources takes place. Not too long ago, despite my suspicion of channeled sources, I read some of what a supposed Jesus channeler had to say. His material was presented as if it is beyond what other people have to say. At first what he said seemed too sophisticated and knowledgeable to be fraudulent, but then I found some words that supposedly came from Jesus that seemed quite false. Just goes to show how sophisticated the misleaders of this world can be (usually for a monetary price).

Perhaps there are demonic beings that want people to be afraid of the light and divine love, so it’ll be easier to trick them into going to a dark place after they die. I mean, if a person isn’t able to respond to divine love, what is a person supposed to respond to after he or she dies?

I don’t think I’ll trouble myself with what the false light/forced reincarnation people have to say. Instead I’ll rely on my own discrimination. Thus far it hasn’t failed me. On the other hand, relying on someone else’s detailed description—well—that can get you caught up in a belief system (perhaps fear-based) that is hard to find your way out of.

P.S. Going by the little I researched it seems as if the people who advocate the false light/forced reincarnation doctrine, say that memories are stolen from souls before they are forced to reincarnate. Do such sources also say that past life memories come from past forced incarnations? If this is the case, how can past life memories be had if such memories were stolen?

Also, it seems to me that NDEs are a way of communicating valuable and important information to the human race. It seems like a shame that some sources are trying to de-validate them. If a person does so for personal gain as has taken place for the so-called gurus of other paradigms, perhaps during a life review they’ll learn why it isn’t nice to mislead people in such a way. If a person does so because he brainwashed with matrix-like viewpoints and therefore can’t think freely, good will be the day when he or she is free of such a delusion. If a person shares such viewpoints because he is influenced by some sort of dark influence, hopefully he’ll become free soon. Supposedly J.Z. Knight channeled a being named Ramtha. My post is already long, so I won’t get into details, but she seemed like a fraud. A  number of years ago, while supposedly channeling Ramtha, she said that Reptilians trick recently deceased people with false light. Perhaps she is the first person to propagate such a concept and others went with it.


Albert

Well, hello.

What a long, strange trip it's been. This topic caught my eye in my first return visit to this forum in ages. Imagine my surprise that my login still worked!

Yes, I "started" here with my registration seven years ago. A diligent student of Afterlife Knowledge, I learned much from Bruce and appended it to my personal experience with the afterlife territories. I'll get back to that in a moment.

Yes, the White Light Trap. This is something our teams encountered recently and closed down. It didn't come to our attention as the White Light Trap. We were working on something else entirely beyond the Mirror Matrix.

And I know "Mirror Matrix" is not within the language parameters used here. What I can do to shine light on this new (to you) languaging begins with what our teams call the False Matrix. In our many moons of work our teams made the decision to permanently shift our Being to the Mirror Matrix (and beyond), where the workings of the False Matrix have no effect on us and our work. In doing so, we .... words .... the short of it is, our teams have determined souls are now free to choose their paths without interference / influence of the False Matrix.

It is in the work that followed we happened upon what is referred to here as The White Light Trap, and our teams took appropriate action.

And this is in part what I have been doing in these many years since joining this forum. From here (where I was a very occasional poster) I joined a small number of afterlife retrievers in a private forum that is now closed. Some of you may know of this place, and these people. A few are highly skilled afterlife retrievers. We stay in courteous touch.

It is afterlife retrieval that really interested me - once. There is so much more....

The fact of it is I am seldom called to retrievals. I am sometimes called to assist individuals in their transition from the physical body to the "afterlife territories". That is entirely consistent with my training and inclination.

I am extremely grateful for Bruce and his work, and extremely grateful to those others in my landscape who encouraged me in my work that is now my full-time job. Bruce, if you read this (Vicky told me), please accept my deep gratitude for all you have done.

Hello, Recover 2

It is true, we haven't met. Until now. As I said, I learned afterlife retrieval a very long time ago in Internet terms. It is not my practice to do afterlife retrievals as a rule. It's just a tool in my kit.

What our teams found does not exactly correlate with what I see here, but there is a close enough similarity that I bring it forward. What our teams really found is far beyond what I see described here. What we found was not exactly a fake white light .... what we found is much worse. We unplugged the entire structure.

I recommend any go look for themselves. Don't take my word for it. See for yourself.  I've no personal stake in credibility. I don't publish the results of our teams' work. No book deals, no YouTube shows, no Facebook account, no special circle of fans. Sharing here as a service to the community. I'm out of the public eye. As I said, I've been elsewhere these years. I walk the walk.

Thank you for your considered and courteous reply, Recoverer 2.

I make no guesses and bring nothing more to the table than what I find. Our teams were on a different mission that had nothing to do with "false light". In fact I find that term, and that concept, annoying in the way it misleads.

The languaging we use is unfamiliar here. We choose it because of its precision: "reference prisms"; "outer occlusion spheres" etc. Because it is technically jargon, I avoid it in public discussion such as this as much as I am able.

What I can state that is clear is we are not doing OBE. We have no interest or stake in ETs or angels or how-do-you-do. We find what we find and deal with what is in front of us.

I live a (relatively) normal 3D life and go to work just like everyone else. I am blessed beyond measure that my work is what it is. Is it glam? Ahahahaha! No, it can kick my a** if I'm not careful.

There are techniques to use with individuals who say one thing, er, how should I say it? Talking out of the side of their mouth. I am seldom called upon to use these techniques. I know who I am and that is enough.

Language is one of the difficulties in relating what our teams do in and beyond the mirror matrix. This is the best I can state it:

If I am blithely seated in my living room and become present to an event, my mind does its best to interpret based on my accumulated experience. It tells me a story. We learn how to place intent and that comes differently to all of us. We see these techniques employed by the TMI trainers. And Bruce adds some refinements.

To relay the experience of an energetic intent-in-action may (often does) brings all kinds of fanciful things into play. None of them are helpful in any way of relating the placement of intent or its consequences because they are unique to the individual.

To bring this within practical understanding, let's look at how remote viewers work. Just report the raw data without attachment is the dictum. Because when the analytic interpreter kicks in, everything goes to pot. This is when we start seeing "little green men" because the mind feels a need to be right and provide an acceptable answer.

Now what we (our teams) found — and I have been most cautious not to imply devils or ETs or rabid flying monkeys — does not exist inside the human experience. Remember, we are Spirit having the experience of a human. (Well, some of us, LOL, sorry for the levity.)

It's bad mojo to express events outside 3D in human terms.

This thread topic caught my eye .... how strange that I return to ALK after all these years... now. Because what we found was in the "afterlife transit" areas and our teams unplugged it.

Unplug is the correct word in every sense.

We (our teams) don't spend time wondering why Higher Level Forces aren't "doing what we think they should be doing". We could get lost forever in that kind of circular thought.

As I said, we were on mission work that had absolutely zero to do with the afterlife territories, or belief systems or belief system zones. We weren't looking at hollow heavens or anything else. As far as I know my work associates are unaware of Bruce and this place, and have never expressed any interest in afterlife retrievals.

What I can share in confidence is we found something very unsavory to humans and unplugged it. That it bore some fleeting resemblance to the "white light trap" brought me here. To say it is a "white light trap" is, as I recall the work, is a little cute. If my associate (and friend) decides to publish the events of that day's mission work, I'm sure to let you know. I don't have any stake in her reasons for publishing what she does.

Hi OutOfBodyDude

Possibly the only important statement I can make is: See for yourself. Listen to your own Being.

We are on all new ground. Explorers who came before us gave us a certain picture. Everything has changed since then. My understanding of "hollow heavens" from personal experience is very different that I was given to believe when I first read of them in Bruce's books. It's not that the information was poor. What was missing (for me) was looking at the bigger picture in an entirely different way. Once I began to live in and beyond what I call the Mirror Matrix, all my views changed. To quote the Firesign Theater: Everything You Know is Wrong. Look for yourself! Don't take my word for it.

I share some of our team work in gratitude to this community and its members. Some of you I know personally, many not. It's been a long time. When I was (modestly) active on this board I was known here by another name. I re-established personal contact with a few on this board around a month I informed them of my new name and the reasons for that. Those reasons are consistent with my work.

Our teams operate in 5D+. To listen to one of our mission recordings is likely to be not very illuminating as we language according to the field we are working. Here, by memory, is a snippet of today's teamwork:

E: Go to level 92.
M: I see what looks like a ....
E: Now go to level 394. What do you see?
M: It looks something like a ....
E: Now look at it from level 712. What is the connection?
M: I am looking at ....
E: Unplug from lower left ventrices.
M: Unplugged.
E: Unplug all diagonals in the interference prisms.
M: Unplugged.

I've left the description of what I see "blank" because as we work the information that comes in comes through my interpreter. So if I see a "fire engine" I know I am not actually seeing an actual fire engine. This is a sort of "hint" of the actual energetic. So if I first get an image of a fairy tale hero in front of a Sleeping Beauty thorny hedge row, I know there is an underlying energetic that is being presented to me within a framework of my experience. It's up to us to see where this breadcrumb trail leads.

And it was just such a breadcrumb trail that lead us to what I hinted as false light traps.

And I have a big issue with this description (despite my attention being drawn to this thread) because of all the codswallop we have swallowed about the "Clear Light" or any variation thereof. Spiritual masters of the past go on about the Clear Light &c and they never do explain what they are talking about, do they?

So to say we found structures that broadcast a False Light is truly misleading if we don't even have an idea what False Light is or Clear Light is or bake me a cake. They were like a False Light in function. The structures were of the lower occlusion spheres, and that is the correct technical description.

The surprise (to us) was the simplicity and effectiveness of the structures, and the bigger surprise was what they are used for. Answer: they were used to subvert the protocols required to operate reference prisms and then insert new reference prisms. That's very nasty. File this under: you don't want to know. All those structures are unplugged, end of story.

Loosh? Our teams have definitely not encountered anything like this. All I can really say is: Look for yourself. Many here are most accomplished. Go look without expectation or judgment.

Good.

You (general you) should be skeptical. Which I said right up front. And also skeptical of any and all who tells you what to expect.

Go look for yourself. Throw away the books and all preconception see what is really there for yourself. You (general you) are here because you are skilled. Verify on your own; belief has nothing to do with it. Step away from mind!

Up to you, hey? Test, verify. But do it yourself.

One of the most difficult things for one on a path is the discovery the teacher knows little or less than you do. (I'm not a teacher, nor do I play on on the Internet.)

My long hiatus from this board is in part because I was out doing instead of arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I'm back to share what our teams are doing (in part). It's up to you to make discoveries for yourself.

What I find is carrying baggage of what I believe should be gets in the way of what we actually find. My simple rule that I apply to all things including — and especially — my own life: drop what no longer serves. At some point that means dropping the teacher!

Recoverer 2 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 8:11pm:


Discernment is key.

Meditation empowers us to develop awareness of the Observer. What is it that observes the Observer?

"The sage sees only the Self.
The person sees lots of persons.
One sees from wholeness,
one sees from fragmentation.
Both are you."

~ Mooji

Absatively.

The guru racket is, well, a racket. Mooji is another me, as are you. I added his quote as a relevant afterthought to the question of "do we receive information from higher level beings?".

We are the higher level beings.

I might add the teacher-student gig is also a racket, as is the doctor-patient gig, the cop-robbeer gig &c. Most importantly the lightworker-dark deal is also a racket. Lightworkers inherently serve the opposition.

Our discoveries in our missions regarding lightworkers and their roles were a bit of a surprise to me as well.

I've no reason or desire to argue, in any case. I know who I Am. It's difficult to escape the feeling here of the old joke of a man who says to his wife: "no matter what I say, you disagree," and she responds: "no I don't."

Verify, verify, and not from mind. You (personal, and general) are skilled in these realms. Go look, ask your guides, mentors or whoever it is you work with. I Know Who I Am.

Recoverer 2, you are a knight in shining armor. It is a good story.

Hi seagull,

And thank you ...

It was I who was kicked out of our spiritual physics class in mystery school after I called the teacher's game LOL. "You have a good memory," he told me, and bap! Hahaha, true story. (I will not shill for that school; it's not a place I recommend and I have completely distanced myself from it.)

Yes there really is a spiritual physics class .... And part of the understanding is our reality is a shared set of constructs, some of which are words and meanings. As we (our teams) work in the Mirror Matrix and beyond, words are of course required between us but do not form the basis of our work. In fact today we learned something new about the Mirror Matrix in the course of our work.

I'm not at work here, I'm relaxing, sharing a bit. Our teams work every single day, and we have seen 13 hour days here and there. Some of our work is published elsewhere. I have no stake in pointing you (general you) to that place. If you find it, you have done so on your own. My associates are cautious who enter that field because the smallest amount of negativity is felt and impacts our ability to do our jobs. We take definite steps to insure we don't have to waste an hour clearing each other's fields before we take up the day's mission(s).

I take care of my own field and am confident enough in my field integrity to share a bit here in the knowledge it will not leak into our work. My personal work in these endeavors is completely different and I do not share any details of that in public.

What I can say is field integrity is vital. In my own work I observe another's field and report. I very definitely do not enter another's field and absolutely do not attempt to manipulate or "fix" another's field. I'm quite clear on this point and never proceed until my client understands and agrees that if any shift in their field occurs it is of their own doing, not mine.

nm.  I'd be playing into the game.

Justin mentioned opening up to love.

Yes, the best way to grow and learn is to open up to love. Intellectual activity and observing things won't don't as much as finding out at heart level.

This morning as I meditated I felt at heart level that the more I connect to my spirit self/higher self,  the more I connect to a level of being where I am not isolated from others.

No matter how much matrix-like manipulators exist, they can't stop us from tuning into love, higher levels of being, and all who abide there.

@justin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhhJqJV_u6M#t=89.836942

And in this light no great surprise when we first engage in serious communication with our body, our body's response is: [coarse language]. Do you like to be called an ignorant, stupid animal?

Play a game? On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is the least and 1 is the most: how much is our heart committed to total embodiment here and now? How much is our mind committed to total embodiment here and now?

Morrighan

You are correct, the body has great wisdom, especially if we allow the mind to listen to it. I wonder how long it could maintain itself if we did not constantly poison it physically, emotionally and mentally. According to the Bible, the earliest humans lived to almost one thousand years old. Perhaps this was due to the purity of the foods they consumed, the lack of pollution and perhaps genetic purity, as they didn't have garbage DNA being passed down from centuries upon centuries of damage built up in genetic memory from harmful habits. I think it's easy to downplay the unfathomably complex nature of the body. Truly an amazing thing.

   As the body is focused on self preservation, like any animal, of course it's interested in it's own healing.

  Saying the body has great wisdom, is kind of like saying our cat friend has great wisdom. Hint, she doesn't. She is driven primarily by instincts, self preservation, and material appetites and conditioning.

   However, just because she doesn't have great wisdom, doesn't mean that I can't respect and love her. I do, and enjoy exchanging affection with her. This isn't the best comparison since there is Soul within Jasmine, and it's not just her body that I love, but more her Soul (and her Soul is more mature than most other cat's I've known and met). 

  I'm not saying there isn't benefit to grounding.  While we are here and directly connected to the body, we are part of the physical Earth, and it's important to ground both our bodies and if we are contacting expanded/fast vibratory nonphysical energies, then it's important to share that with the physical Earth.   

  That interchange/sharing of energy helps both, a mutual service. The physical Earth needs our Soul and Spirit energies, and we (our bodies) need her helpful, balancing, grounding affect since we are working through a body, which is connected to her.   

  But at the same time, it's limiting to put the body on any kind of pedestal. All in all, it's a vehicle, a shell, a complex construct, and one that is innately limiting in tendency and affect. 

  This is why it's very common to read in NDE accounts, that so many people who die, are greatly relieved and very happy to be fully separated from the body--not necessarily because of physical pain or the like, but because of the heaviness, distortion, and limitation of same. 


    Vince, you say you're now interested in Biblical teachings?  The NT speaks some on the differences between the body and the Soul and Spirit.

  Perhaps a big clue to the nature of the body vs that of Spirit, are some readings that Edgar Cayce's guidance gave.  In talking about Yeshua overcoming the world and flesh, they note that when he was on the cross, he cried out "My Father,  my Father, why have you forsaken me!?" 

  This source indicated that this wasn't Yeshua--his inner consciousness, but rather the last of the body consciousness rebelling. The body was in pain and full of terror.  It did not want Yeshua to sacrifice it. Even to the very end, it rebelled against his spiritual consciousness. This "battle" was particularly intense while he was in the garden and he was praying that this bitter cup be taken from him. 

  The NT records that this stress/strain was so great, that he started to "sweat" quantities of blood. He and his body was fully aware of the kind of pain and suffering he would go through shortly.  The body influenced towards that of not wanting to go through with it. But Yeshua's Spirit self, over came the influence of the body in the moment he said and meant, "But not my will be done, but the will of the Father be done".

   Even in Yeshua, we can note a difference pre and post Resurrection.  Post Resurrection, Yeshua was no longer connected to a dense, animal body, born of a human.  He had co-created a new/free form that could be in the world, but no longer was of it. The form was based on his physical body, but the substance, or rather essence, was that of pure Spirit.

   This Yeshua no longer experiences the limitations and pangs of the animal body.  He completely transcends the physical, and has complete control over same.  He had unusual some control over it prior, but it's much greater post resurrection.

I had an interesting experience somewhat recently. I have been wondering off and on, whether or not complete enlightenment was possible while connected to a human body. I had begun to think that it wasn't, but I wasn't sure.  A friend of mine, whom I hadn't talked to in a while, messaged me out of the blue, and he wrote this,

  Quote:


  It seemed that his guidance, or my guidance through him, was confirming my increasing intuition that full enlightenment was not possible while connected to a human body. In electrical terms, the body probably can't handle the degree of voltage nor amps that the Spirit puts out. 

  If a person was getting close to full enlightenment while connected to a human body, the body would probably die. Depending on the need, then the individual could either re-create a form from thought and Spirit consciousness, or choose to act as "invisible" guidance as most guidance does most often. 

Morrighan wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:


   As I said, it wasn't the best comparison, because animals, like the human animal, have both a physical and nonphysical component.  Animals are imbued with individual Souls, which like humans, are at different stages of growth/awareness.  Human connected Souls can range from the very slow vibratory/psychopathic (very immature), all the way up to near full conscious Source attunement (extremely mature/zenith).   
 
   So it wasn't the best comparison. 

As regards the comment towards this self--it's an interesting take considering you don't know well, either the physical, personality me nor the nonphysical me. 

  With such a lack of information/knowns, I wonder how you can come to such a conclusion? 

  Also, can you explain better the wisdom of the body and of animals in a holistic, logical way?  Like give various concrete examples and relate it to a larger philosophy that is internally consistent?

    I would suggest to you, intuitively based, that this might help.  When you meditate and seek guidance, ask specifically to connect, attune to, and communicate with only the most expanded, loving, aware, helpful, and spiritually evolved sources. Ask these for direction, help, guidance, and shielding from hindering forces. And really mean it on both counts.   

I've spent most of my life seeking to better understand the holism of the mind, body, spirit connection particularly in terms of health.  While our souls are connected to a body, it is very much an integrated whole system, however, that doesn't mean that there aren't fundamental differences between soul and body, for there are.

In Yeshua's case, he had the ability to have disconnected from the body to the degree that he wouldn't have felt pain, nor the body's terror, but as this was partly karmic and him meeting self as Joshua of the OT, he decided it was best to fully experience all the difficult parts of it, just as the one(s) Joshua had hung up in a tree to die did.

It was really less his "mind" and more his body's influence.  He had a mind like no other, and yet, at the time he was still connected to a dense, fearful, animal body.

Just think about humanity and it's long history.  Why has it been so limited, strife and suffering filled?  Contrast that with the nature of most of our souls and the majority of the nonphysical.  The latter is much more harmonious and fast vibratory.  So what's the main variable involved?  The influence of the human body animal which is somewhat a being unto itself.  Granted, the Reptilians and the psychopathic souls that have incarnated into human form have caused a certain amount of damage/problems as well, but even without these the nature of physical to nonphysical would still be somewhat like that of oil and water in that they don't mix well innately.

This has a lot to do with the origins of the physical and our original interaction with same.  It's like the physical is the shadow part of Soul, which got refracted/split off.  It's the collective negativity of Soul densified and projected out into its own, temporary, reality.

It is the shadow resulting from something (will) blocking the Light (Spirit).  It didn't always exist and someday it won't.  Spirit on the other hand, always existed and always will. 

We are here to retrieve these lost, stuck parts of us, of Soul.  We do this primarily by infusing the physical with Love.  By doing that, we raise its vibrations closer back to Soul.  However, it is both a very individual and also very collective effort.  What we call physical has a more set nature and doesn't change as quickly as mind/soul. 

  This is why it's so hard, even for a Soul who has come here from a very expanded dimension, or even from the core of Source Consciousness, to fully overcome the limited, stuck nature of the human body while directly connected to same.  How many He/She's are out there walking along us?

Bigger picture truth is and has to be holistically logical and internally consistent.  It has to address all levels and aspects.

Why do we choose that?  You know how many NDE's I've read where once disconnected completely from a body, the Soul doesn't want to, and in some cases refuses to come back?  In those latter cases, they are essentially pushed back by some beings of authority while being told they needed to go back and fulfil their life and purpose.

  It's NOT a vacation we take from eternity.  It's difficult retrieval and growth process.  Most who come here need to come here for karmic reasons, and if they want to grow to the next levels. 

For those of us who come here from outside of this local consciousness system, it's different and purely about retrieval of others.  Which is why such souls tend to have a clarity of insight and perception that most human habituated souls lack.

Our bodies are biological organisms and have a lot more in common with a cat that hisses at people than divine love.

Bodies operate in a manner that is very sophisticated because they were designed by intelligent beings.  Bodies can't be given credit for their sophistication anymore than a machine can be given credit for its sophistication.

Spiritual energy is able to interact with biological bodies because in truth everything is spiritual. However, souls were designed to be eternal and not have the limitations that biological bodies have, while bodies are just a very temporary way of learning and exploring.

Break from eternity? Where does true fulfillment come from? The things of this world such as watching football, playing golf, having sex, not getting along with each other; or a way of being where you abide completely according to love with many others including the source of all and experience perfect peace? Going by my experience, the only time I feel complete is when I experience divine love.

I think it's probable that there is a divine aspect to the body and it is this divine aspect which is responsible for the body's intelligence. We cannot disconnect the physical with the divine, as it arises from the divine and it makes sense that it is maintained by the same.

  I should give some credit where credit is due. Some of the above, over arching philosophy comes somewhat from the Edgar Cayce work, or rather, Cayce's guidance nudged me in the right directions. I've since put the various pieces of the puzzle together into a holistic whole. 

   If a person objectively and deeply researches the Cayce work and Cayce's life, one would likely come to the conclusion that psychic wise, Cayce's work/life was a singular, unique phenomenon.  He is to psychism what Mozart was to music, what Tesla was to invention, or Yeshua living Love/spirituality.   

    Cayce was the closest thing that modern humans have ever experienced as a near direct pipeline from the nonphysical/Expanded Guidance, to that of the material. NDE's and some explorers come a bit close, but generally are a lot more limited in scope and tend to experience more distortion related to limited belief system and interpreter interference. 

  There are a few holistic reasons for why Cayce's work is so singular in nature. The high degree of maturity and purity of intent of Cayce's Disk, the modifications that happened to Cayce's body (falling head first onto a large nail sticking out of a board and the nail deeply piercing his forehead), the specific and particular process* that Cayce engaged in to get into a "reading" state, and the fact that Yeshua and the Co-Creator Beings were very strongly involved in his life and especially psychic work. (and boy did life strongly poke and prod his at times rather stubborn/fixed personality in certain directions a number of times. Cayce had Leo Rising with Uranus closely conjunct his Ascendant degree, and Taurus Moon!). 

   *The above process above is important to talk about.  A big part of what allowed Cayce to get such a breadth, depth, and accuracy of info, was the extreme deepness of his mind-body state. 

  If we could have hooked Cayce up to EEG, most likely, we would consistently observe delta and hyper gamma brainwave states. 

  Cayce's conscious, personality mind--the very body influenced part of our mind, was deeply, deeply submerged in these "trances" so called.  To the point, where he almost never consciously perceived, nor retained any information, that came through him. For all purposes, it was like he was in a state of deep sleep--except that a part of him was aware just enough to be able to talk and relay info. 

  This was very necessary for both him specifically, and in a general sense and process.  This necessity of course can be overcome by great and unusual spiritual maturity and perfect physical, mental and spiritual balance and attunement--such as "He/She", but that's a whole other matter. 

    Anyways, Cayce's work is in a class of it's own.  The only thing on the earth that perhaps approaches it, is the collection of Monroe explorer sessions and tapes. 

   I mean, the guy talked about a pole shift cycle change towards the end of the 20th century at a time when magnetic polar knowledge and research was in it's infancy. 

Well, look up our tracking of the magnetic north and south polar speed and positions and you will note, that it was around the end of the century, that something happened where it started to really pick up in speed of movement AND weakening. A "new cycle" certainly did emerge at that time.

   Then he talked about global warming becoming apparent in the polar regions starting around 58 and becoming obvious by 98 (when it was indicated changes would start to increase in speed and intensity). 

   WWII start and end, the death of American presidents in office, etc. 

That's just the big picture stuff, almost in every reading in relation to medical or personal information of individuals, he and the people involved experienced verification of some kind or another. 

    Swedenborg is naught but a bright flashlight to the Sun of this work (and I certainly respect Swedenborg). 

  Btw, I'm not saying that this source was completely without error, distortion, etc. 

Completely pure, objective, completely accurate perception in relation to nonphysical information is not even possible while connected to a human body. No, even Yeshua who came from the Disk that Co-Created the original patterns and forms our physical reality is based on, had to detach from his and create a new form to become the He/She that Bob Monroe met. 

  But, I would say that Cayce's work and info comes closer to the ideal than any other collected, material based work.

  With that out of the way, it was Cayce's info that gave me definite clues to the real nature of the physical and what happened to manifest Soul involvement with these human, and other physical bodies in other parts of the Universe. 

   His Guidance indicated that originally, Souls were not meant to be involved with these forms in this manner, but once it did happen, a way of escape, of salvation was prepared by Yeshua's Spirit and his co-workers. 

  And if anyone wants a truly amazing and holistic insight into what Christianity is really and truly all about, then the Cayce work can point one in the right directions.  This Christianity starts in Atlantis and ends in Yeshua's public reappearances in the future. 

  In short, it's the fastest vibrational large source of info that I have ever come upon (some individual NDE's etc are on a similar wavelength, but again they tend to be limited in scope as well as having more distortion).  I hope, and am working to eventually transcend same on a personal level, as far as receiving/translating info, but I'm grateful to all the clues and help it has provided on many levels physical, mental, and spiritual.

  Anyways, I figured credit was due to the source which helped me most in putting it all together. I'm not suggesting that anyone become a "Cayce'ite"--that's very limiting, but rather pointing out the truth of the matter of the unusual nature of this work and that it's worth paying attention to.

  The limiting aspect of Cayce's work is the time/period that he was around. People were not ready to hear certain things in a more direct and pure way.  Similar to what Albert said earlier in relation to Swedenborg.  Potent truth is like potent medicine, it often has to be administered in discrete doses for best effects.  If given all at once, it can be overwhelming.  Besides, sometimes clues and figuring things out on ones own are better than just straight outlining. 

   

   

Perhaps private messages to the administrator would be more appropriate. Seeing all these back-to-back posts, I initially thought you were having a conversation with someone who later deleted his/her messages. Your posts are super long to begin with and sometimes hard to digest. Maybe just accept the admin's decision and let it go. Or did your "expanded guidance" instruct you to make a big fuss? 

My comment was more playfully sarcastic than anything else. I wasn't trying to be rude, but I was trying to make a point, which I think you picked up on. I suppose the quotes were an illustration of the disparity between some of your claims and your behavior and overall approach, but also an expression of my doubts and perhaps even aversion towards same. But it was really just my ego feeling the need to express itself when perhaps I shouldn't have let it get the best of me. My apologies.

  Vince, I'm going to address your reply to me in the off topic section. 

   Bruce, when you leave this world, you will come see the truth of certain things better. Perhaps during your life review, you will be shown by the completed Light Beings, that I have had good reasons for some of the things I've said and done.

  While it may not seem like it on the surface, I am very appreciative and thankful for your work here, both in a personal and impersonal sense.  I think/feel/know that you have provided an important service to this world/humanity.  I know that my teacher is overall/mostly happy with it and you. 

  One of the differences between us and our called to service, is that you got the job of dealing with mostly the positive, feel good stuff in communicating with others.  I've got the job of addressing the unpleasant, shadow, hindering side of reality.  Guess which job is more pleasant, easier, and more feel good for a materially focused personality?   I wouldn't wish my job on you or anyone, it's a thankless one where people tend to shoot the messenger. 

But I do it, because it's important to do, if this world is to get to the future that Bob Monroe saw as a probability.  Complete spiritual transformation towards PUL.


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  This seems to be a blatant mis-truth. In the last couple of days, I've been blocked 3 times from being able to sign into my account. Just happened again earlier a couple hours or so ago. Unless somehow you are not doing it and your site is being hacked, or someone else with admin like permissions is doing it, then you are out and out lying about the above.  If that is the case, then I would be rather disappointed in you and your lack of honesty.

  Btw, I know crap about computers and haven't ever tried to hack anything.  I used a feature of the site to get back in.  I don't plan on staying, as I know in reality, I'm not wanted here. 
 

Justin, I am sorry for the loss you still feel on anniversaries such the one this week. I know you are comforted by the knowledge that she lives on.

Indeed, my gratitude to you Bruce and the pioneering work you did.

I returned here to inform of the new vistas I and our teams explore, and trust others continue to break new trail beyond.

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   Thank you for saying the above. 

  Hi Seagull,

  I apologize for the 2nd part of my reply. It wasn't necessary.  While there is some truth to what I said, in a general way/sense, I didn't say it out of a place/intent of Love/helpfulness, but out of emotional upsetness.  I've edited the 2nd part.

  Regarding the White Light, it's a good ideal to work towards, but I'm not sure a human can fully get there in the sense of purely attuning to and expressing. 

Hi all.

Yes here is an update on the original topic. As stated upthread, our teams found and unplugged structures that bore a resemblance (in principle) to the theorized white light traps. I trust I was most careful not to mischaracterize their design, function, or purpose, and emphasized the structures no longer impact our daily reality constructs. They are completely unplugged.

In brief, those structures were in place for a very long time and served to interfere with the Being of individuals transitioning from their embodiment. I invite all here to verify for themselves, and not to take my word for it.

Today our teams discovered a related structure in the course of other work that is not relevant to this conversation.

We found different structures that are woven into us on our journey into embodiment. The purpose of these structures is not in your best interest.

Since all here are skilled in the required areas of work, I bring this up in the knowledge that you hold the choice to unplug these structures from your own beingness. It is not something I can do for you, it is not something you can find someone else to do for you. You won't find it in a book. As I stated, this is a fresh discovery.

You have to disconnect it yourself. You have the power to do so, and the ability to do so. You know from Bruce's work how to place intent. It will take just a few seconds and that's all there is to it.

Be well.

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   Mostly agree with most of the above. The Source and Source level of collective consciousness (aka the White Light), indeed does completely love, accept, and support us.  It's also a fundamental, essential part of us as well. We exist within and are completely surrounded by the White Light in a sense. We can always tap into it if we truly desire to. 

  While I don't think perfection is generally asked of us while we are in a human experience, I do very much get the sense that a big part of why we are experiencing the human experience, as well as other forms and levels, is as part of our growth/remembrance to a conscious version of the White Light experience (both in attunement and expression). 

  This is speaking more generally and universally.  There is also the individual factor. As individuals in a particular life, we are called to different paths, challenges, and life expression from each other.  Going by all the various inner and outer messages I've gotten over the various years, I can definitely say that both my immediate guidance system (my Disk and regular guides) and Expanded Guidance (the former in collusion with the conscious Source level) have nudged, prodded, and guided me in a certain direction. That direction seems to be to attune to and express the Source Consciousness as much as is possible for a Soul connected to a human body. I've found it's a very holistic process that even involves the health and state of the body itself. 

   My spouse has gotten multiple messages about me dying young (mostly dreams).  I've wondered if perhaps I'll reach the limit of what can be attuned while connected to a body, and then choose to let the body die so that I could from Spirit, create a physical form without all the baggage and density of a human body? In a couple of dreams of hers about her future human life, I showed up to her as a very human looking "ET", whom helped her during a time of war where a negative, aggressive ET group was attacking humans. 

   While I listen to/consider various outer sources to some extent, at the end of the day, I listen most to the guidance messages we receive directly. 

   The thing is, while all the above that we agree upon is true about the Source/White Light, we live in a reality where a fundamental Law is built in--Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like.  While the Source and Source level accepts us as we are, we cannot become fully conscious of our Oneness with that level until we are fully like them in a conscious, expressive sense. And to become like them, we have to purify and transform all stuck and limiting aspects and tendencies within (which relate to selfishness), until we express only that, PUL, which emanates that White Light.

   Bob Monroe saw a future probability some thousand plus years down the road, where all humans alive were collectively ascending to that level of consciousness and getting ready to completely leave the human experience and maybe even this Universe/larger reality.  To get to that future point, we need to do all that we can to facilitate that process. It's not something that just automatically happens or that is handed to us.  It's a process of freewill, choosing, and creating new and ever more positive habits. 

    I have always desired and sought truth over comfort. I've observed over the years though, that many humans don't really want the naked truth of things, they desire comfort and to feel comfortable. Naked truth can be uncomfortable at times, whether if one is considering hindering forces such as Reptilians, or one is considering that one actually has to work hard to get to their ultimate fulfillment and happiness, as well as helping others to become free of suffering. 

  Otherwise, why would we partake in these human lives which are so difficult and challenging to our Souls, to begin with?   Do you personally Seagull believe that you came here for a vacation from eternity? 

Hi, Recoverer 2 (and others)

In all respect, I invite you to look for yourself at what I do, how I do it, and what I share. Verify this for yourself.

Our teams operate, in part, with techniques Bruce and others pioneered here. Our techniques are refinements of existing work in some areas, and are completely new in other areas. Please be so kind as to consider we know what we are doing. I trust you have the wisdom and courtesy to refrain from speculation until you have personally verified what I come here to share.

If you (general you) are unable to personally verify what I share, I urge you to refrain from public or private speculation as to the work of our teams. To date, I have not noticed any from this forum in or near my field beyond the narrow confines of this board. I definitely would be aware of you if you sought me out trans-3D. Nearly every response to my posts to date amounts to "what you state conflicts with what I've read/heard". That's because our teams are on all new ground. I trust none believe Robert Monroe, Bruce, et al are the only ones who make new discoveries.

My lack of specificity as to the nature of the structures we discovered is intentional. You have to find it for yourself. It's up to you. A general stated intent to remove structures that are contrary to your Being is insufficient. I provided enough information for you to locate the structure and take appropriate action.

Morrighan:

Bruce Moen wrote in one of his books about light beings helping souls after they leave a lower realm. Sometimes for energetic reasons these beings slip back to a lower realm, and the light beings cry. I don't know if such beings literally cry, perhaps Bruce saw a symbolic representation. Whatever the case, it seems to me he learned that there are love-based beings that care about us.

NDE researcher PMH Atwater wrote that whether a person has a negative NDE or a positive NDE, a person experiences what he (or she) needs to experience. Howard Storm said the same on a video. I had a nonphysical experience that made the same point. NDErs and recently deceased people are able to have such experiences because there are love-based beings that go out of their way to help people. This being the case, I find it hard to believe that there are hindering structures that interfere with process--and loved-based beings do nothing about them. They are too caring to be indifferent. And if it is only a matter of setting intent, I'd be surprised if they couldn't set intent.

Your statement of having a refined method that is superior to what NDErs and other afterlife explorers have found, well, how could you know the validity of what these people found out if you didn't have their experiences?

Because of my numerous retrieval experiences I am inclined to believe what the sources I mention have found out.

When we receive information it is important to consider its validity. For the most part I have received information from friendly beings, often with symbolic imagery. However, there have been occasions when unfriendly beings have tried to pass on information to me. For example, there have been a few occasions I have been shown creepy looking black words. They would either say "assho_le" or "fuc_ you." One one occasion words with such a look said on one line "Read Seth" and on a lower line "No Satan." I'm not certain, but it seems as if a negative being tried to get me to read Seth even though I had already found out what Seth seems to be about.

Hi , Recoverer 2

I trust I make no implication of anything our teams do that is superior to any existing techniques. Nothing we have found invalidates the pioneering work already completed. The work our teams do does not strictly involve afterlife retrievals. I post our findings that are appropriate to this board as a courtesy.

What I share here is new material and it makes no difference if you like it / don't like it. I'm certain there were people who didn't care to be told that Columbus found new lands and new peoples. At no point have I asked any here to believe what I share. At every point I have stated: verify for yourself. If any have, I've not heard so. I've heard pretty much exclusively why what I share is wrong or cannot be. Nothing I come here to share has anything to do with me being right. I have no stake in being right.

I'm sure there were plenty of people who had libraries full of books with learned views that the new peoples and lands Columbus reported can't exist. It wasn't that long ago Robert Monroe's findings were dismissed as codswallop. <shrug>

Yes I was very active at Linn's. I am still in contact with a small number of people from Linn's. The reason I have not stated my user name there is private and personal.

Please be so kind as not to tell me who my teams are, what we do, and who we work with if you have no direct knowledge of that. It is frankly offensive to state: "The beings that I specifically intend and ask to connect with, are far, far, far beyond you and your teams abilities and perceptions."

  By Teams, I thought you were talking about fellow remote viewers.  Were you talking about nonphysical guidance instead?  If so, I apologize, but would ask, what kind and level is your guidance at?

   I think it's ok to be skeptical about strong claims, especially ones that imply that there is a major afterlife trap of sorts. 

  I've learned that there are various different kinds and levels of nonphysically based guidance.  There is our Expanded self/Disk/Spirit self collective, there are regular guides of various different abilities, perceptual capacity and levels, there are the Co-Creators, and there are beings that act as guidance but whom are wolves in sheep's clothing. 

    The levels and kinds of guidance I most communicate with are a combo of my Expanded self and the Co-Creators.  It's more like, I use my connection to my Expanded self to relay info from the Co-Creators. 

    The Co-Creator or Source level is the most expanded there is. The individuals that make up same, are of pure Love, pure perception, pure helpfulness and pure positivity.  They have the most accurate perceptions that are possible. 

   So yes, from my experience, it's important to ask and know what kind of guidance level is one primarily communicating with. 

   

    Categories are: Disk/Disk members, regular still individualized guides from other Disks, Co-Creator/Source level guidance, and false guides/guidance of various kinds. 

   We who are in human form, can communicate with any one of the above, and sometimes we communicate with all of those levels at different times.  Unless one creates specific intentions and requests, then what we attune to/communicate with, depends a lot on our attunement and state of being within the moment of seeking information.

  To communicate with the Co-Creator/Source level, it helps a lot to make a specific intention/request to attune to/connect/communicate with only these.  Then remembering the feeling of Love and/or deep appreciation/gratitude helps to strengthen our conscious connection with them so that we can actually perceive what they may relay. 

    It's been my experience that sometimes they will help one to raise/speed up the vibrations of one's system to facilitate such communication/perception. I often ask for that specific help. This process is much like when Bruce talked about when he communicated with the Planning Intelligence.

  It's far from a nonsensical question or issue.  It's actually a very important issue and not one that gets talked about enough on sites like this. 

 

"Perhaps we should make a new topic where you all can debate how properly aligned I am. I'll grab the popcorn."

   Is it wrong to be curious and to ask which kind and level of guidance you primarily communicate with?  Do you not consider it an important issue at all?  Are all "friends"/helpers/guides all the same?  Do they all have the same degree of perceptual capacity and accuracy?  Are all Disks/Expanded selves on the same level?   

  Anyways, today is one of the days where I work my full time and part job, so I probably won't have time/energy to meditate on this issue.  Tomorrow, I will bring the question up to the Source/Co-Creator level and see what they say, if anything, about it. 

   There have been a number of times where I leaned to a certain conclusion or perception, and I was given info during which contradicted what I previously leaned to.  Because of that, I try to stay open minded.  I will ask the Source/Co-Creator level about this with as little preconception as possible.   

   Is the following question acceptable?  Is there now, or has there ever been a human afterlife consciousness trap used to trap formerly human focused Souls into undesirable, non optimally free states from a negative/unloving intention, and which uses the White Light as an attractant?

  Btw, a thought/question occurred to me re: your nonphysical friends. Have you ever received certain color impressions in relation to them?

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