In Monroe's first book he noticed that our Universe is only one of many physical Universes. Could you elaborate on that matter regarding Rulof's view?

Thanks for your answer.

You talk about God, what kind of God is that? A creator God, a Christian god
or something else?

Also you mention the number seven, is Rulof's non-physical world similar to
the one of Theosophy?

(Monroe's Focus 34/35, is in my impression more physical in character but
functions like one of the non-physical worlds.) Is there something similar
to Monroe's Focus 34/35 in Rulof's descriptions?

Hello Mogenblue:

I've never heard of Jozef Rulof before. Have you read what wikipedia says about him? I don't know if it's accurate, but the below sounds odd to me.

"Rulof claimed to be the greatest medium ever, and that nobody would ever surpass him. The next great medium would be the "Direct Voice Apparatus" (DVA), a technical device that would enable people to communicate directly with the spirit world. The DVA would be based on another device to make all diseases disappear.[1]

He claimed he was under the control of two guides: master Alcar and master Zelanus.

Suicide

Rulof believed that each human has a certain time to live. When someone commits suicide, they only lose day-consciousness. The silver cord does not break and the suicide remains in the material body. They then experience the body's rotting. According to Rulof, this pain cannot be compared with any torture on earth. When the body is rotted completely and the skeleton becomes visible, the person walks in an empty world and only sees and hears themselves. When the actual time of death has come, the spirit goes back to the world of the unconscious, or it goes to one of the spheres. For example, when someone commits suicide at the age of 35, and that person had to become 85 years old, they must dwell in an empty world for 50 years. The book The Cycle of the Soul tells the story of Lantos and what he experiences when he commits suicide.

Cremation

Jozef Rulof rejects cremation.[2] It would cause a shock and an unbearable suffering for the dead. Persons attuned to a sphere of light will not suffer much, but persons attuned to a sphere of darkness will burn spiritually. Persons going back to the world of the unconscious awaiting a new birth will not feel anything. In the book A View into the Hereafter, there is a story about someone who committed suicide and what he experiences when he is being cremated.

Karma and 'Cause and Effect'

A person creates karma when someone commits murder. In a next life, the murderer is born as a woman and gives birth to the one who was murdered. This way, the murderer gets a chance to make it up. Cause and Effect means what you do to another, you do to yourself. According to Rulof, this Cause and Effect can be seen primarily in marriage. One could say that if the man wears the pants, the woman has to make good to him and if the woman wears the pants, the man has to make good to her."

In more then one way you could compare the books and my website with the Mayflower back in 1620...

All the good things start in Holland.   

Hello Betson,

I don't represent Rulof's official site http://www.theageofchrist.com or http://www.rulof.org.
I only speak for my own site http://www.mogenblue.nl.

I think they have considered doing distribution via Amazon.com but you would have to inform overthere. I agree that pricing in $$ could be handy.
You don't need to buy the introductory books they can be downloaded for free in pdf format and you can read them on-line as well. But if you seriously want to read a book it's usually handier to have a paper copy in your hand.
Links to on-line and pdf versions of these books are available on my site.

I have tried to make it clear in my post at 12:53am that Rulof did not write the books himself. He did not write any of the books himself.
For the writing a spirit took over his organism and wrote through him.
They were able to do this because of the use of the typewriter machine. It's much easier for a spirit to write through an organism on a typewriter then controlling the hand to use pencil and paper. The second method is much more difficult and almost impossible because you need close control over all the muscles in the hand to make the small movements you need to write. Also the deep relationship between Rulof and Master Alcar made this possible.

Rulof was a highly talented medium. He received the most of his spiritual training in a previous life in Ancient Egypt. This life is described in 'Between Life and Dead'. It's a very thrilling story of the battle between light and dark forces in the Temple of Isis in Ancient Egypt approximately 4000 years ago. This is also one of the introductory books but I would advice new readers to start with 'A View into the Hereafter first' to become more familiar with the Spheres of Light and Darkness.

By the aid of Master Alcar he disembodied and made hundreds of astral journeys to the spheres of light and darkness and into the universe because once the masters would have written the books Jozef would have to stand for everything in it. It would be much easier if he could tell from his own experience then always having to say "I don't know, someone else wrote this through my organism". It would have been impossible to write the Cosmology if he could not speak from his own experience.

Rulof also made a great number of paintings. All of these were also made in trance. These are also meant to convince people of the After-life. Jozef himself had no qualities whatsoever to paint. For all his paintings a spirit from the other side took over his organism and painted through him. He also did some public sessions where he would paint on stage. On the home page of my site you can see two of his paintings and a picture of him while he was painting hi-speed in trance.

I have about 25 paintings of him on my site. You can find them at http://www.mogenblue.nl/english/art.html.

Hello Recoverer,

I'm sorry for the confusion but where ever I say that beliefs come from Rulof I mean that they come from the work of Rulof, from his books. His books were all written by Masters of Light.

So whenever I talk about beliefs of Rulof I mean to say information from the Masters of Light.

Vital information like that about murderer/reincarnation always comes from a Master of Light. Rulof had a very humble background and he no intention at all to suck things like that out of his thumb.

On the other hand, Rulof had made all this information his own by his many trips to the spheres and into the universe. But he never could leave his body without the help of his spiritual masters. So he always had to rely on the Masters and everything he knew came from them.

I agree that you don't have to go to his sphere to have contact with Christ. I have read the book 'The Masters of the Far East' by Baird T. Spalding and that was the first book in which I read about meetings with Christ here on Earth. I was very surprised then.
Christ also said in the Cosmology of Rulof that he will help where ever he can. So it may be that I or anybody else has received help from Him but He does not necessarily leave His mark behind so you know it was Him.
Like with other Spirits of the Light: help or information comes first and only if it's appropriate they will let you know who they are.

Thank you for the link to your site. I will look at it.

Hi recoverer,

first of all, the way karma works goes beyond my perception. There are many different types of situations that you can come up with and I don't have the answer to any of them.
I only repeat what I read in Rulof's books. As far as Karma is concerned I have my own questions as well.
What about Hitler? He was responsible for the death of millions of people.
What about the crew of a bomber plane over Afghanistan? Are they responsible for the killing on the ground, or is it the helpers on the ground with their laser guiding tools? Or is it the people who manufactured the bombs? Or the ones who designed them? Or the ones who gave the order?
There can be a chain in responsibility when it comes to killing.

With respect to your idea that the murdered one has moved to a higher level of being I also have to admit I don't know the answer. It may differ on every situation.
I rather keep away from making assumptions that I make up my own. I can only say that the reality is too complex to be explained in a few simple words.

But in the books some remarkable examples have been given of how karma works.
In 'The Cycle of the Soul', 'Through the Grebbeline to eternal Life' and in 'Between Life and Dead' some remarkable stories are given of how people's lives were affected by things that happened in a previous life.

Also, in 'The Origin of the Universe' Jozef is ultimately confronted with the result of his own wrong doing in his previous life.
That was the reason why he had to be born again and make up for it.

I am convinced that karma plays a role in everyone's life. It is a result of the Universal Laws of Justice. But don't ask me how karma works in individual cases. It would lead to speculations and educated guesses from me.

PauliEffectt:
It's possible I've thought that in the past.
I wondered many years how karma works. That was before I read Rulof's books. The ones I mentioned above gave me a clear insight in the working of karma.

Mogenblue:

You said: "Hi recoverer,

first of all, the way karma works goes beyond my perception. There are many different types of situations that you can come up with and I don't have the answer to any of them.
I only repeat what I read in Rulof's books."

Recoverer responds: I believe we should always allow ourselves to question any source. I found the below about Jozef Rulof. Much of it seems troubling, for example, he said that Jewish people should be grateful towards Hitler for the holocaust because he relieved six million of them from the severe karma they brought down upon themselves by crucifying Christ more than 2,000 years ago.  I seriously doubt that Christ would be supportive of such ignorant racist idiocy.


"Supernatural horror
The entire range of Rulof's occult and ultra-right-wing universe can be found in "the textbooks" (yet to be translated). According to these writings, the final phase of human evolution is imminent. In that future era, only Caucasian white, perfectly healthy, heterosexual married people will exist, all in strict conformity with the so-called 'Age of Christ', Rulof's "ultimate phase". People of other races are considered to belong to a lower level and deviating religion -with the emphases on Judaism- are rejected. In the end, followers of other beliefs are expected to convert to Rulof's doctrine, and as long as this has not been fulfilled, wars and disputes will continue. In the meantime, even though wars are considered horrifying, they are claimed to offer the necessary scope for mankind to advance towards higher spiritual levels.

Other life-styles, such as homosexuality, are only temporarily accepted. They only experience an interim karmic role and are regarded to be developments towards heterosexuality in a next life. Compared to heterosexuals, their lifestyle is regarded as inferior. According to Rulof, people suffering from the Down syndrome (mongolism) experience distortion and are possessed by demons in accordance with the karma they incurred after the mass-murders they are supposed to have committed in former lives.

To top it all, Rulof's prophecies are based on a strong racial doctrine with a hierarchy of seven subsequent grades and sub-grades, which every human being must pass through by reincarnating. The first three, lowest grades harbour the so-called jungle tribes and midget races, such as the Pygmies and the midget/dwarf races. White races occupy the fourth grade and onward, but coloured races - with the exception of certain races from India - will not exceed the fourth grade. Because of their nature, the Eskimos generally cannot exceed the fifth grade. In one of his later text-books, Rulof alters his views: Negroid races may also rise up to the seventh, highest grade - previously for whites only - provided that they live and behave according to the mentality of the latter. In addition, white-skinned people from the fifth grade and upwards, whose lives were not in accordance with the cosmic laws as proclaimed, will be downgraded by karma in their next lives to the fourth grade and will then reincarnate with a coloured skin. In his fifth book, The origin of the universe, Alcar, one of Rulof's "cosmic masters", proclaims that in the far future only one race will exist on earth: obviously the white one.

According to these laws, the blending of different grades i.e. races has had a highly negative impact on our planet, and it is this phenomenon which is held responsible for the entire decline and all the diseases on earth. However, these ill consequences will gradually subside in future, since people with ailing health will no longer be permitted to marry, to prevent them from bearing unsound offspring. Blood transfusion is said to result in impure blood, entailing fatal effects. Abortion, euthanasia, suicide and cremation are vehemently discouraged. After suicide, the soul is claimed to remain attached to the body until it has finally decayed, while it consciously suffers all the horrors of decomposition before it arrives in the spheres-beyond for correcting purposes. Likewise, cremation would cause the soul to suffer the conscious torment of burning. Jan Kleyn, a well-known psychic in the Netherlands, reported in one of his books about patients with extreme paranoid illusions after they had read on these issues in Rulof's books.

According to his doctrine, homosexuality is considered as a mental illness, and many different hells owe their existence, amongst others, to homosexuals and child murderers. Notably, Rulof has the audacious insolence to mention these two groups of people in one breath! Emancipation of females is rejected, because women should dedicate all possible attention to their primary task, namely motherhood. Consequently, women can never become great painters or composers since motherhood will prevent them. However, the male is not subjected to this limitation. As marital divorce is considered to be an offence against cosmic laws, in future marriage partners will obligatorily be selected by para psychologists in service of the State.

In his book De volkeren der aarde, translated in 1947 as My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth (3), Rulof describes the final phase of these developments as a period in which "abnormalities will no longer be found on earth" (4). In this book, he advises the Jewish people to be grateful to Adolf Hitler for the holocaust, as this ordeal relieved all six million of them (!) from the severe karma they brought down upon themselves by crucifying Christ more than 2000 years ago. According to this philosophy, Hitler is a reincarnation of Caiaphas, the high priest who ordered the crucifixion. In his subsequent lives, Caiaphas realised "the bad habits of Jewish people, such as usury, lying, cheating and deteriorated lifestyle" (5). He therefore reincarnated as Adolf Hitler and decided to take revenge on them. In this context, the holocaust is looked upon as a justification of the alleged laws of karma. In one of his following books, Rulof even urges Hitler on: "Adolf, finish your task!". In yet another textbook, Rulof criticises the foundation of the state of Israel: "Isn't it sad, the Jews still cannot understand God's rightful dressing-down (referring to the holocaust)." Hitler's role as a crusader is highlighted, since he supposedly brought evolution to mankind. This will not be recognised at present. Yet in time, people will rehabilitate Hitler and will adorn his grave with flowers. According to 'Revelations', Mussolini, the Italian fascist leader, is an aide de camp to Hitler because he conquered Abyssinia (now Ethiopia) :"He had to conquer that country because it was God's own will to awaken the blacks". (6) To Rulof, colonialism is an expedient to people of the lowest grades to achieve the mentality of the white race. The N.S.B., a militant Dutch political party that collaborated with the nazi's during their occupation of Holland in World War II, and whose members were extremely notorious for betraying hiding-places of Jews, are praised by Rulof for their idealism.

Rulofians (rigid followers of the doctrine) regard many parts of the Bible as a fraud, with the exception of the Gospel of John, 16:12-15; a passage, that they consider to be the announcement of Rulof's later appearance as a writing prophet. In approximately 20 years, all of his prophecies will assuredly be verified, because an instrument will then have been invented, which enables verbal contact with the world beyond, albeit at the exclusive disposal of the state officials."

http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/engels/rulof_e.html

I find it hard to believe that a light oriented source would choose to define which races are less evolved and which are more evolved. Such thought can lead to separatism and elitism.

Did Rulof urge Hitler to finish his task? If so, I believe it would be a waste of time to read 11,000 pages of what Rulof had to say.  Even if you remove the anti-semitic part of it, does it really seem logical to conclude that "all" of the Jewish people who were "MURDERED" during the holocaust played a part in crucifying Jesus? Does supposed cosmic justice actually work in a way where MURDERING a large number of people during the holocaust would balance karma?

You didn't respond to the issue of what Rulof had to say about Hitler. Oh well.  Each person needs to look into his (or her) heart and decide if they feel okay about a person (and perhaps what he's connected to) that speaks as if the people who suffered and died during the holocaust got what they had coming to them.

For myself, I see two possibilities:

1. Rulof was a fraud and when he made up his teachings he brought his anti-semitic views into them.

2. He received such unloving views from beings that weren't love based. They make themselves seem nice by saying many things that sound nice, but they also sneak in some viewpoints that are false and not love based.

Think about it.  If they can get a person with good intentions to believe things such as what Rulof said about Hitler and Jewish people, they succeed in getting people to allow negative thoughts to become a part of their psychological conditioning.


Mogenblue wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:12pm:

I have read some of the book chapters that are available on the internet. I haven't run accross anything that is as negative as the article I provided. I wish that the book "My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth" is available so I can see if the below article language is true.

"In his book De volkeren der aarde, translated in 1947 as My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth (3), Rulof describes the final phase of these developments as a period in which "abnormalities will no longer be found on earth" (4). In this book, he advises the Jewish people to be grateful to Adolf Hitler for the holocaust, as this ordeal relieved all six million of them (!) from the severe karma they brought down upon themselves by crucifying Christ more than 2000 years ago. According to this philosophy, Hitler is a reincarnation of Caiaphas, the high priest who ordered the crucifixion. In his subsequent lives, Caiaphas realised "the bad habits of Jewish people, such as usury, lying, cheating and deteriorated lifestyle" (5). He therefore reincarnated as Adolf Hitler and decided to take revenge on them. In this context, the holocaust is looked upon as a justification of the alleged laws of karma. In one of his following books, Rulof even urges Hitler on: "Adolf, finish your task!". In yet another textbook, Rulof criticises the foundation of the state of Israel: "Isn't it sad, the Jews still cannot understand God's rightful dressing-down (referring to the holocaust)." Hitler's role as a crusader is highlighted, since he supposedly brought evolution to mankind. This will not be recognised at present. Yet in time, people will rehabilitate Hitler and will adorn his grave with flowers. According to 'Revelations', Mussolini, the Italian fascist leader, is an aide de camp to Hitler because he conquered Abyssinia (now Ethiopia) :"He had to conquer that country because it was God's own will to awaken the blacks". (6) To Rulof, colonialism is an expedient to people of the lowest grades to achieve the mentality of the white race. The N.S.B., a militant Dutch political party that collaborated with the nazi's during their occupation of Holland in World War II, and whose members were extremely notorious for betraying hiding-places of Jews, are praised by Rulof for their idealism."

Sounds a bit dogmatic/cult-like to me.  First a person needs to be indoctrinated with the beginner books, and only then he (or she) will be ready for a later book.

You hear that everybody? You shouldn't read the later books without first reading the earlier books because you aren't currently capable of understanding what the later books say. It doesn't matter what you already know, the administrators will decide for you.

Since the administrators make it so people can't read "My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth" early on, I guess people don't have an option other than trusting what was written in the article I provided.

I believe it would be ignorant for me to not trust my judgment and consider it to be a warning sign when a source says things such as Murderers reincarnate as the mothers of the people they killed, a person who commits suicide stays in his body and experiences it's very painful degredation, and that Adolph Hitler provided a service to the Jewish people who died during the holocaust. 

Mogenblue wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 3:10pm:

If I enrolled in college in order to get a history degree and early on the professors started telling me that Hitler did Jewish people a favor, I'd drop out. I'd thank the professors for being upfront and telling me right away about some of the insidious things they believe.

I believe it is reasonable to conclude that Rulof was very involved with the curiculum he shared with people. Nevertheless, if the article I provided is accurate, some of his viewpoints were quite negative. Perhaps this shows that heavy course involvement isn't the answer.

You still haven't directly addressed the statements regarding Rulof and his viewpoints about Adolf and Jewish people. It seems as if you are ducking an important issue.

Did he in some way state that Hitler did Jewish people a favor when he had them killed?

Did he say that Hitler should have finish the job?

If he didn't say these things, what did he say within "My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth" that got the writer of the article I provided to conclude as he did?

I do not believe it is reasonable for you to expect people to read thousands of pages that came from Rulof when they are aware of the possibility that the time will come (when they are "ready" for a latter book) when they will find out that he did in fact say insidious and ignorant things about Hitler and the Jewish people Hitler killed.

recoverer wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 4:16pm:



if, if, if...

If I cross the street I may be involved in a terrible car accident. If it is serious enough I may die from it.
If I die from a car accident I can shake hands with my grandfather if he is up there and if and afterlife exists and if he is there were I will be.

Why don't you address your questions to the author of your famous article?
He has all the answers you desire.

Recoverer, do you experience any difficulties in stepping over your own shadow?
You ignorance is blatant.

The organisation that administers the work of Jozef Rulof has been accused in the past that spreading the books incites to discrimination, hate or violence and racism.
The accusers based this on a number of citations taken from some of the books. They did not read the books themselves.
This trial took place in a court in the Belgian place of Dendermonde.
The accusers wanted to have the books forbidden from being distributed anymore.

The judges have done what the accusers neglected to do: they read the books. The books involved were: The Origin of the Universe, The Peoples of the Earth and The Cosmology of Jozef Rulof part II.

On 3 April 2007 the judges cleared the organisation of all the accusations and they reprimanded the accusers for not reading the books themselves.

Recoverer: your posts are very much the same as the accusers that the organisation had to deal with in the past.
You base your opinion only on some citations and you consider it not necessary to read the books involved.



The Blessing of Jesus Christ lies on this knowledge. It is His Wish as Stated and Re-enforced in the Cosmology of Jozef Rulof that the people on Earth will be able to learn all this too.

By posting against this knowledge you turn yourself against the will of Jesus Christ. If you think your reasons are solid enough with your few citations from an ill written article then that is up to you.

Here's another key point:

Just because Rulof and his supposed masters were able to come up with supposed spiritual rationalizations for their anti-semitic viewpoints, this doesn't mean the rationalizations are valid.

If Rulof's material is set up in a way where eventually you didn't find it necessary to be concerned about his anti-semitic comments, perhaps you might want to do yourself a favor and ask yourself if you made a mistake.

Since there's lots of love and light around, we don't need to be attached to a source we were reliant on once we become aware of the fact that it says some things that aren't valid.

One other point:

I wouldn't have to read "all of" "Mein Kamp" in order to see that it isn't a reliable source of information.

recoverer wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

Well, well...

"Nobody will ever surpass him."

I don't trust a person doing such claims..

Think about that very carefully recoverer.

Don't mess with the universal laws of Justice.


Try to read this in English
http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/4_11/wayti.html
You can use Google translations.

PauliEffectt wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 8:54am:


Sorry?

recoverer:
Are you interested in Afterlife knowledge?
Are you open to that?

Mogenblue wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 12:48pm:


Recoverer:
Given your 4200+ posts you could have just said yes.

What does it take for you to accept afterlife knowledge from another person?
What is essential to you to accept Afterlife knowledge from another person?

Mogenblue wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 2:50pm:

"Knowledge" from someone else about the non-physical world, can only be viewed as a
belief, as yet another religion, full of flaws and faults.

I prefer to accept knowledge from myself, from my own observations and experiences.

From where does your knowledge come?

Here's an addition to my last post.

When it comes to reading about Karma, it seems as if some of what "My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth" says is contradictory. It basically says that Jewish people were killed during the holocaust because they created such Karma when they crucified Jesus.

Even if it were true that many Jewish people were killed during the holocaust because they created such Karma when they crucified Jesus, why did it become necessary for Hitler to become the mother of all of these people? If they were killed because they karmically had it coming, then how did Hitler do anything wrong? He did what had to be done.

Of course it is ludicrous to try to figure out the above since it is ludicrous to conclude that "all" (if any) of the people who were killed during the holocaust were personally responsible for Jesus being crucified.

On the one hand "My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth" speaks as if Hitler was a bad person and was wrong to do what he did. On the other hand the book speaks as if Hitler was a special person who carried out God's will. This makes me wonder if the book is making an attempt to get people to think of Hitler in a way the book's source considers preferable by first saying what people are open to hearing about Hitler, and then adding in the erroneous viewpoint the source wants people to believe.

recoverer, you still haven't answered my question.

Recoverer, you are not supposed to read "My Revelations to the Peoples of the Earth" before you have read the other books. You take things out of their context.
The judges in Dendermonde did a much better job then you do even though they did not have a special interest in afterlife knowledge. You jump to conclusions without reading everything in its right context and in the right order.

You say that you have to know that you can trust the person who is delivering information. That is what I am asking you about. How do you know that?

You don't know if you can trust Jozef Rulof, you only say that you don't believe that you can trust him.

If you don't know what your essence is to accept afterlife knowledge from another person then it is impossible for you to accept afterlife knowledge from any person at all.
That means that all the books you have read about the after life was a complete waste of time. It also means that I don't have to waste my time or energy to help you out in any way if I should so desire.

Recoverer, I am not interested in your earlier posts.

Mogenblue wrote on May 25^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Mogenblue, you haven't answered mine.

Recoverer:
No, I don't have to read your previous 4200+ posts. Like I said before, your ignorance is blatant.

It seems you really don't know what your essence is by which you can accept afterlife knowledge from another person. So it looks like all the books your read about afterlife in the past has been indeed a complete waste of time. You also acknowledge that more or less in one of your earlier posts in this thread.

I know what the essence is by which you can accept afterlife knowledge from another person. I have read Rulof's books in the proper order. I know. Much you need to know about this can be found in Rulof's book 'Spiritual Gifts'. I have read that book and I read it in the proper order in which you should read the books.

But then again, you are not going to waste your time on something that you don't take seriously.

Recoverer, If I would summarize your occupation with the afterlife I would say you are big time interested but everything you have read up until now has been a complete waste of time and you also do not intend to read Rulof's books because you consider that a complete waste of time too. Do I say that right?


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PauliEffect:
I wasn't talking to you. But I could tell you where I get my knowledge from if I would want to tell you that.

Yes. I share some, but not all of the details here.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/a-night-in-heaven/chapter-5/

Mogenblue wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

Mogenblue:

You make it sound as if the only way to obtain spiritual knowledge is to read Rulof's books. Many people have obtained knowledge without doing so.

If I ever wrote something such as "Jewish people karmically deserved to die during the holocaust," I hope people would question the validity of what I'm about regardless of how many nice things I said.

How do you expect people to take you seriously when you aren't able to see that it "isn't" okay to state that Jewish people who died during the holocaust karmically deserved what they got?

You aren't going to manipulate me into believing that it is okay to say such a thing. I don't care what kind of rationalization Rulof has for such dribble.  There are a lot of people in prison and souls in lower realms that believe that they have very clever rationalizations for what they did.

Mogenblue, are you sure that you're not stuck in a belief system
of unsubstantiated dogma?

Mogenblue wrote on May 26^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Says who?

Mogenblue wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 3:26pm:

I think it will be a waste of time.

I already found one.

I bet the server of the ALK site is based in Oklahoma.

Mogenblue wrote on May 28^th, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Mogenblue, you seem to have no experiences of your own of the astral.
You also seem to be filled with dogma and a belief system of someone else.

And you seem to promote a belief system from someone with a slight nazi
inspiration. How do you think that appears to others?

Hi Vicky,

As you can read at the bottom of those essays in my science section they are based on the book 'The Origin of the Universe'.
The Quick Spiritual Tour on my site is based on the books of Rulof as well.
Everything except the about and contact page is based on the books of Jozef Rulof. My website is dedicated exclusively to Rulof's work, to that of the Masters of Light.

Like I wrote before, I had a hard time reading 'The Origin of the Universe' even though I had read the previous books to get the necessary background. At first I wanted to deny I even read it. It was like solid rock and pitch black in my mind. But I had to admit to myself I had never read anything better about the origin of mankind. So I kept going and opened up to it. It's much better then the story that God created everything in seven days. We know by now that isn't true.

People on Earth will never be able to find that out by themselves if they don't accept the Masters of Light.

I wanted to show that structure of the Universe to give people a wider view on our origin.
You and God were One before the Big Bang. We can figure this out now for ourselves since we discovered here on Earth ourselves that there has been a Big Bang.

We also know that there are so many stars in the Universe that it is practically impossible that there is no life elsewhere in the Universe. But that is about as far as our scientific knowledge on Earth goes.

Mogenblue,

In my view you're being pushy and impolite.  I'd like to kindly remind you to please have some respect for not only Bruce Moen, as this is his website (and frankly it makes more sense that you should be here talking about and supporting his books, works, and theories rather than trying so hard to promote a gathering for another author)....

but also have respect for the members of this Forum.  If people are interested in the author and his works that you are promoting, then please just be respectful enough to share links here for us.  If people are interested, they can then go to the links provided and read up and post and share there, instead of here.

Again, I'd like to kindly remind you that this is the website of author Bruce Moen.  And although you have posted this thread under the "announcement" forum where such information about other things is acceptable and allowed, your approach and attudie are indeed a little in bad taste.  I can't imagine myself wanting to engage in the forums of another author and trying to push my support about Bruce Moen's work there instead of supporting that forum's author. 

Again, not to be rude.  That's just my personal view from what I've seen in this thread.  If Recoverer doesn't wish to engage further in your discussion, I find it in bad taste that you're trying to call him out on it. 

Vicky

recoverer wrote on May 27^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:


This is what I mean Vicky.

Vicky said: After all, something as massive as the holocaust is a sensitive subject for anyone.  I myself have never wasted time wondering if or how those people "deserved" what they got, and why would anyone think that way?  What purpose does it serve to even think, let alone say such a thing?  My point is, is that each person's existence and life experience has no need for judgement by others.  We all judge and guide ourselves.  In my view, there doesn't have to be one rule for karma and justice and the reason why things happen the way they happen.  Instead, I'm a big believer in the belief that we are each here to have our own experiences and experience of life, to come to our own conclusions about what is truth and meaning and belief and purpose.  It's serves no purpose for anyone to worry about what anyone else believes, but makes much more sense to believe in one's own experience.

Recoverer responds: Well put.

My guess is that a lot of the Jewish people who were killed during the holocaust were really nice people. Therefore, there was no need to punish them for something they supposedly did 1,900 plus years ago.

Say a man murders people while on this Earth. After he dies he goes to a lower realm. After a while he gets tired of such a way of existence, looks at himself in an honest way and becomes genuinely remorseful for what he did. Then he asks for spiritual help and receives it. With help he transforms himself and no longer exists in a negative way. He becomes a soul who lives according to postive qualities such as love and respect for others.

Is there a need to have him reincarnate so he can be punished? I think not, regardless of what some supposedly infallible source of information says. Why punish a soul that was once negative when it no longer exists in such a way?

Such a soul would probably feel some responsibility for the souls he harmed, but this doesn't mean that they would have to reincarnate and become his children. Especially not if they are souls who have forgiven him and moved on to the light.

Vicky:

I promise you. If you ever say something mean to me (I know you won't ), don't be concerned about having to reincarnate as my mother in a future lifetime. Just say you're sorry and I'll accept your apology.

Souls aren't infinitely wise from the start. They need to go through their lessons in order to learn. This being the case they sometimes make mistakes and have to learn the hard way. This doesn't mean that they have to be punished in a way that doesn't benefit anybody.

No comment.

Mogenblue wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:

I'm not going to be baited into giving answers I don't want to give.

The approach you're taking won't undo some of the negative things Rulof wrote.

Mogenblue wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 2:15pm:


This question itself is a foolish question.  It's a loophole of trickery with no right answer.  The reason I say that is because those books you speak of were written by a guy who was having these beings write through him, correct?  So that in itself is a subjective experience for that one person.  I myself have not had that kind of experience, so I have no way of comparing my experiences with that. 

So can I write a "better book about the afterlife"?  It's subjective.  I can write what I can write based on what I myself have experienced.  I cannot speak for another person's experience.  I have no interest in writing about what someone else claims to have experienced.  Do you see my point?

Look at it this way.  If I am going to teach my son how to drive, I can't just write a book about what it's like to drive, have him read it, and make him really learn and understand what it is I'm talking about.  The only way to learn how to drive is to have driving experience.  After that, it's up to him to strive to be a good driver, a better driver, a more conscientious driver, etc.  The same is true for the exploration of consciousness.  You can't just read about it.  You can't just write the best book there is.  Everyone has to have their own experience in their own way. 

I hope my books have a way of inspiring and influencing others on their own path to come to their own passion about what they believe in themselves.

Vicky wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:


That is a real stupid answer. Is answer from you or automatically generated by the server in Oklahoma?

PauliEffectt wrote on May 30^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:


If you think that you haven't seen the picture on the contact page of my website.

I would like to show one spiritual painting by Jozef Rulof.
He made hundreds of these paintings in trance. Rulof did not have any capabilities to paint himself. His mediumship to go into trance and let a spirit of light work through his organism was developed by Master Alcar over a period of years. It started with a simple drawing of pencil on paper.
Master Alcar himself was a famous Flemish painter in his last life on Earth.

These spiritual paintings are meant to convince the people on Earth of the continued existance after death.
By selling these paintings Rulof earned enough money to get the books published that the Masters wrote through him.


This spiritual painting is called: Golgotha.




More of these spiritual paintings made in trance can be found in the art section on my website
http://www.mogenblue.nl/english/art.html

I wonder how many years it will take before the next medium will stand up and make such spiritual paintings in trance. I don't have to wait for it. I have Rulofs books and I carry them under my hart.

Recoverer, why don't you try reading the books if you are so curious? What's holding you?

Why should a painting be bright and shiny when in the center of it Christ is hanging on a cross?

Recoverer, I understand that it is difficult for you to talk about, it's personal, intimate, your age, etc. But if you are afraid of unfriendly messages you may always keep the light turned on when you go to sleep.

PauliEffectt wrote on Jun 5^th, 2012 at 5:37am:


That's funny, I was just going to inform with recoverer how he is doing with the sales of his books. I wondered if he is already making millions of $$.

To be honest with you, paulieffect, I don't make any money from the books of Jozef Rulof at all. My website only cost me money. I do it on a voluntarily and idealistic basis.

Furthermore, all the introductory books of Jozef Rulof are available for free on the internet. Please visit the on-line and download pages on my website with your eyes open.