My first try. Done the breathing, set intent to meet Bruce and ask specific question. Then using focused attention. Quick entry into hypnagogic state, seen and heard some stuff but no memory at the end. Remembering meeting a guide i think who looked like my friends brother but younger than now. He wanted me to follow him downstairs. Seeing a standing woman on right that i know personally, she stares only. Saying something to the guide but dont remember what and then started to run towards him. Scene fades to white, feeling choking sensation, cannot breath. Does not hurt, but either not pleasant. Dont know if the woman is doing this or what or why. Disconnected. Physical pulse and breathing seems normal. Remembering around 30seconds of 30minute session. I was surprised that it worked so fast.

Next time i ask for protection.

Vicky wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2018 at 11:59pm:


That's really remarkable, Vicky! Do you remember the ocean being any specific colour, by any chance?

Last night I was unable to make any attempt because of the extraordinary heat wave we are experiencing over here at the moment.

However, I did make an attempt the previous night, and the impressions I got had to do with being immersed in non-physical sea water. The problem was I kept being distracted by the fan which I had to switch on in order to get a break from the heat. It was on my left, and I kept feeling pulled towards physical reality, unable to break free... I now realise this was due to the fan. So I will try again when it is not so hot.

Incidentally, as I was getting home with my husband at midday (Italian time) yesterday, I checked our iPad and found one of those random messages Facebook sends out with a new friend suggestion.

I wouldn't normally mention this, as I do not use Facebook that much. However, I thought this was an interesting synchronicity and thought I'd report it.

I will try again when I wake up at dawn tomorrow.

Hi Giulia,

The ocean color wasn't outstanding in any way.  I mostly noticed the waves and feeling the motion of the boat ride. 

I'm going to try again when I can be more focused.

Hi Soulmael,

I like being in and working in the hypnagogic state but unfortunately I usually slip too quickly through it into regular sleep without remembering it. 

My advice is to remember your intention and to utilize anything that comes into your awareness, especially visually.  For instance you could have asked the guide or the woman something like, "Are you here to help me find Bruce Moen?" (or whatever your intention was). 

When you act as if whatever has come into your awareness MUST be in relation to your intention, it does several things:   (1) It keeps your conscious mind focused on your intention.
(2) It engages your nonphysical senses in playing along/pretending which in turn keeps redirecting your attention to focus on your intention instead of getting caught up in the scene before you. 
(3) It reinforces your intention.  Whether you are interacting with guides or anyone else nonphysically, when you act as if "Oh you must be here because of my request for such-and-such" it kind of "forces their hand" at responding to you instead of you responding to some other interpretation.  Even if the imagery is just dream stuff, you continuing to play along but only focused on your intention also reinforces your own nonphysical awareness to continue to be focused on your intention. 

It's the very same concept as what happens when you go shopping for something specific for instance.  Let's say you go to the store for one specific thing, but as you're walking through the store you see something that catches your attention.  For a moment you stop and look at it, touch it, think about whether you need it, etc.  You're distracted from your intention.  At some point you need to tell yourself, "I'm really here for such-and-such" and then you go back to walking toward it.  You might continue getting distracted along the way but as long as you continue refocusing on your intention it's ok, eventually you'll get there. 

It's very easy for our Interpreter to run away with us or for us to get derailed by Interpreter Overlay.  I imagine this is just as easy to happen in the hypnagogic state as any other state. 

Giulia wrote on Jul 4^th, 2018 at 1:26am:


Here is a link to the Facebook notification I mentioned the other day: http://bit.ly/2MQuIbS

Vicky wrote on Jul 4^th, 2018 at 4:52pm:


I agree this is a great metaphor. 

Hi, everyone  Water seems to be a recurring element in these accounts, doesn't it?

Ever since this thread was started, I have made an attempt at least every other day, and have found myself swimming in the sea as I used to when my dad took me with him for a swim in Amalfi when I was tiny and could hardly walk.

The feeling was the same as I experienced in those days: complete safety, joy and this liquid energy everywhere.

So I thought I would recall the account of a visit with Bruce on my early morning of Sunday, 21 January 2018. I was in the middle of writing an e-mail to Vicky when I decided to listen to one of my guided meditation tracks: during the guided meditation, I was invited to open a door, a door that would lead me into whatever reality/dimension I needed to visit at the time. So I stepped through the door and instantly found myself in the familiar living room of my Italian grandmother's house. I used Bruce's imagination technique and was surrounded by many departed relatives and also asked to see him. He seemed to deliberately behave as if he were a dream character, so I played along with that and asked for some kind of evidence that this was not the case. At that point, he showed me how easy it was to fly out of the window and instantly reach the sea (the sea was glorious, it was a deep colour of green, and I realised it had regenerating properties and one could fill a tank with that spirit essence and take it). [Here is why I asked about the colour of the ocean you experienced in your trip on the boat, Vicky].

On that occasion, Bruce reminded me of a major dream contact I had had with a friend who died back in 2002, who told me that being able to astral travel as I did was like being able to swim under the sea without a respirator and visit other dimensions. I had completely forgotten about that experience, so I was surprised he should mention it.

As Vicky was on my mind at that time, he told me how proud he is of her and mentioned how important it is to feel proud of oneself and about each and every life experience. He showed me a tree and how each branch with its leaves is so very important. It was only a little while later that I was reminded of Vicky's otherworldly experience with Bruce and the tree-house, and felt this might mean that Bruce and Vicky and their work together is an ongoing reality.

Vicky wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2018 at 11:59pm:


Vicky, this experience reminded me of the fact that I have always been fascinated by the story of the Titanic disaster in 1912 and have read many accounts by people who survived the sinking. It was only recently that I discovered that a very famous Afterlife researcher, W.T. Stead, who died as a result of that event, later communicated from the Afterlife thanks to the assistance of a medium and of his daughter Estelle. He talks about the rescue of all the victims of the Titanic, their transition and what happened to them next. The location he describes is an island, and the book collecting the accounts is called The Blue Island. I thought this was an interesting synchronicity to mention, since Bruce's work (as far as I can remember) has been especially focused on retrievals. 

So lets say we would set our intent as "meeting on Vicki's tree house" and then inviting Bruce to join us? Time of trying would not matter right?

Vicky wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 1:26am:


This is for everyone.

I am not currently practicing non-physical experiences, other than engendering the occasional dream state by relaxing with a specific technique before going to bed. Physically, I remain focused on other stuff right now. I have communicated this to Vicky privately, but I wanted to let others here know (e.g., publicly) since the idea of meeting non-physically with Bruce was being discussed.

To chime in on the general discussion ... I sense that it would be a mistake to have everyone "tap into or focus upon Bruce's and Vicky's tree relationship". Essentially, that is a shared place between Bruce and Vicky (e.g., their relationship) ... and not everyone here may have that specific connection with Bruce (e.g., an assumption).

I can share that I have had similar experiences (to Vicky) when non-physically meeting those connected to me and my physical life (e.g., for example someone who I dated and suddenly began having non-physical experiences with, but in physical life she wanted nothing to do with me). When I asked those supporting me more about that relationship and to also show themselves ... that's when I started having more experiences. However, the metaphor used in my experience was a "space station" (not a tree house). My primary guide took me there and showed me a much broader picture of the composition of souls which I extend from. I can share the specific  experience at another place and time (so don't ask about that here).

Anyway, my general point is that leap frogging or pigging backing upon Vicky-Bruce's relationship may not be a good idea. The branches of the treehouse are for Bruce and Vicky to explore, and not necessarily others who are not connected to their relationship. That is my simple warning.

However, I can suggest another common image. And ... Bruce may already be helping with that by sharing images with several here already of lakes, bodies of water, fishing, boat rides, etc. I would suggest everyone going with those visuals to form a common image.

Finally, when reaching out to Bruce, it is important to imagine these things tactilely. So, when walking down to the lake feel the path underneath your feet, imagine and feel a cool breeze coming off the lake, maybe imagine a dock and feel the dock and tied up boats, get into a kayak and start paddling on the water, etc. You are doing more than just imagining it, your are imagining yourself actually non-physically sensing it (e.g., more than just thinking about it).

Good luck to everyone!

withinn wrote on Jul 16^th, 2018 at 11:12am:


Lots of questions there.  And good ones to ponder.  My answer is why not try to find out all you can?  Bruce taught us that it doesn't hurt to try to explore on your own to find your own answers to have your own knowledge.

I knew Bruce personally and have had hundreds of conversations with him about beliefs spirituality.  He said he would always be willing to be in contact with anyone who wanted to contact him.  He also said that he had no idea what would happen to him after he leaves this physical reality, but that he knew he would always be willing to make contact and/or answer anyone's request for contact.  Personally to me, he promised many times that he would not only visit me (whether I was aware of it or not) but that he would do all that he could to try to make me aware of his presence.  So I believe him.  I have no reason to think that he's "over" the legacy he left here, or that he couldn't care less about my feelings now. 

Also, your questions seem to imply that if Bruce has "moved on" and is done with physical cares here, then we may only imagine a residue of him.  I'm not sure what you mean by that, but in my belief even if he has "moved on" we can still contact him, or to put it another way he can still receive our requests and desires for contact. 

These are my personal beliefs.  From what I have personal experience with, for instance my dad who died in 2010, I still have visits from him.  The last was when my mom was dying.  Dad was there.  So I do believe that they still care about what we feel and care about.  I can't imagine our loved ones just move on and aren't affected by our feelings and aren't pulled emotionally by our feelings. 

Bruce also taught that dreams was one of the easiest way for anyone to make contact with anyone, dead or alive because dream consciousness was an easy area to perceive in. 

So I think another great way to try and visit with Bruce would be for you (anyone) to set intention before sleep to visit with Bruce in a dream.   I agree it might be the easiest way to make contact 

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Boy I couldn't agree more.  Just last night I was thinking about this very concept and how important it was, and I made a mental note to make sure I noted it in my next book (that God only knows when I'll ever get around to finishing  LOL)

I have been spending time each night doing some solid OBE practice and using the same technique so that I get it ingrained in my awareness.  Long story short, I was imagining I was in my back yard walking through the garden and I was wearing my house slippers.  I decided I'd rather wear my rain boots so I instantly switched to imagining I was wearing them instead.  I noticed that I was actually remembering specifically how they physically feel on my feet.  It was pretty neat!  It wasn't something I tried to imagine remembering.  It just happened so naturally and automatically.  And I thought "Hey, that's a good tip I could tell people about.  To remember the physical feelings of specific little things like that to make the experience feel more real." 

So I started purposely focusing on little details like that in my OBE technique, like what the doorknob feels like when I put my hand on it, etc.

Great refinements, Vicky. Imagine you're finding new uses too!

So is anyone still trying to do this PE? 

I've been trying different techniques but haven't had any experiences, at least nothing that I remember.  It's been a stressful week though, since my son had surgery.  Now that that's over with and he's fine maybe I can put more effort into focusing on my efforts.

I have not specifically aimed for this PE (or attempted to contact Bruce specifically). However, I am meditating regularly again. I once again have sound assistance for my meditation practice.

In regards to specifically practicing conscious NP experiences, a few days ago I had an early morning awakening (3:00 am) and I saw an opportunity to use the WBTB method. So, I made a conscious decision to practice beyond my normal meditation and quickly set my intention for that. After this brief preparation, some breath work, and some added energy work ... my body went back to sleep and I eventually had a conscious "phased" experience. There were several figures in the experience, so I flew around and attempted to talk to several of them. A couple of them had things to say (most did not as many were unknowing and zombie-like). When I awoke, I wrote everything down.

I share this here, but I do not sense that this encounter was related to the planned PE here. I did not recognize the zombies as people that might be here. One of the figures may have been a grandparent.

I am writing this out here to share that ... I have found that a little energy work before hand can really improve my "targeting" and "clarity" in my NP experiences. In some contrast, when I use just breathing and relaxation for preparation, I end up experiencing more dream-like states ... where I am less aware and just follow the given narrative of the experience.

Vicky - Sometimes sounds can be used as nonphysical focus. I could just experiment and ask a question in my mind about that sound when it happened.. could lead to something interesting who knows. But i just decided it was only a physical distraction. Also, not everything there what calls you and sounds friendly is really friendly.

Subtle Traveler - zombie-like people could be ordinary dreamers that are stuck at that level of awareness as they use during the day. I personally would not recommend talking to them.

Soulmael wrote on Jul 27^th, 2018 at 3:20pm:


Yeah, I am familiar with the possibility of zombie-like figures being possible dreamers. However, I have found them nothing to be concerned with. You can greet them, if they approach you or are presented to you.

In phased experiences, I generally am open to communicating with others when they get face to face with me OR if I feel them specifically. In my recent experience, that is what happened with two of the personalities I talked to during the experience. They each got right in front of me, so that is when I communicated. In the experience, I was attempting to sense whether they were part of my community or not. However, there was no verification of that provided.

I also understand that just because someone is face to face with me that does not mean that they are there consciously. That has been my experience a few times. For example, last year I had an experience with someone on another forum (e.g., he has over 45 years of experiences and is very skilled), and he had no idea that we met up in the non-physical. It was kind of funny actually, because his presence and arrival were announced to me while I was sitting in this large building. When he appeared and faced me, I shook his hand and greeted him and sent him or stated my name. He was looking right at me the whole time, and so I waited for his response (which never happened). Eventually, he just kind of went somewhere else.

When I talked to him physically a few days later, he knew nothing of the experience. So, he was dreamer, but I found no harm (for either of us) in attempting to communicate with him in the NP.

I think one reason why some people are not consciously aware is because they are working things out, trying something out, or responding to something in the physical world.  It's my belief that we have a nonphysical counterpart of ourselves and that as we are living this physical life we're also simultaneously living in the nonphysical.  Not necessarily a day-to-day life, but at least one in which we act and react in conjunction with what goes on in our physical lives.   

I once had a dream in which I had partial awareness, and once I woke up I knew without a doubt that the dream was about real-life circumstances, and I also knew that one person in the dream was nonphysically rejoicing over an event that was going to take place in her physical life.  Interestingly, it had not happened yet in the physical, yet nonphysically she was celebrating.  In that dream, it was a coworker of mine who was celebrating that she could now see very clearly.  In the dream I was shown she was wearing new glasses and then I was shown some dirty drinking glasses.  So when I woke up, my interpretation was that the double use of “glasses” in the dream meant she had double vision. 

My hunch was correct.  I told her about my dream and then asked if she had double vision and was she considering new glasses or surgery?  She was shocked that I was right.  She was suffering from terrible double vision and was going to have surgery for it, but she was feeling very anxious and scared about having it done.  I told her that if my dream means anything, then to me it seemed like it was telling me she had nothing to worry about. 

That reminds me…I had another similar episode many years ago.  Back when I was married and we were trying to buy our second house, the offer was about to fall through.  I was so upset that night and hated waiting til the next day to hear what was going to happen.  That night I had a very vivid and lucid dream in which I was flying over the neighborhood.  When I came to the new house I landed on the roof and I exclaimed “Yes!” really loudly and really excitedly.  I could feel that the house was ours and I was rejoicing and claiming it as mine.  I even remember that there were other people in this dream who looked at me weird when I did that.  Two people were walking down the street and when I my made exclamation they looked at me really shocked.  I don’t know if they were shocked that I had landed on the roof or just that I was making such a loud exclamation.  I don’t know if they were dreaming this too??  But it wasn’t a normal reaction for dream characters.  This dream was different from a normal dream.  It was very real feeling.  Anyway, so when I woke up I knew the house deal was going to work out.  And it did. 

PS--About this thread topic of Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce...if anyone does continue to experiment or has something to share, please do feel free to share it here or begin a new thread.   I don't want to disappoint anyone with this change in the conversation.  Also, I'm sorry that I haven't had anymore luck.  Am I just too distracted with other things?  Is Bruce just busy?  Maybe we're just not always meant to make connections.  Or maybe we just have to be patient and keep trying. 

I'm always "talking" to him every day.  I believe he receives my messages and feelings.  But I'm not always getting a feeling in return.  I have to wonder if he's just very busy right now.  But I trust that he's not unreachable.  The kind of man Bruce was here, he would sometimes get so focused on something that it would feel like he was completely gone.  He had the ability to have such a strong focus of his energy and attention.  I remember even his wife telling me that there were times she could walk into the room where he was and it would feel like he wasn't even in the room.  That's how focused his energy gets when he's involved with something.  So, I'll keep trying and I'm sure I'll feel his energy come around again.

By the way, it's ok that this thread has evolved to these other conversations since they are a natural course. I know some of you feel leery about breaking the forum rule about staying on topic.  I just want to clarify that it's ok as long as it's meaningful, appropriate, and a natural course.  True "off topic" issues are a problem when it derails from the original posters intention, is hurtful, argumentative, or is just pointless. 

If we get too off course from the topic of PE with Bruce, then I can make a dissection of those posts so that conversation can continue.  If not, I hope someone will continue to do the PE and share what they experience. 

By the way, I'm personally trying for an OBE contact.  That's my main focus right now.

As always, I appreciate all of your participation here.

Trying to get there. Brings me to some memories of being around 14-15. A friend of mine wanted to bring me along to ride a dirt bike along a multitude of trails in the huge field behind my suburban home. I had already gone exploring down the creeks and past the stream and sinkhole to the pasture where some horses roamed. But I had never been dirt biking. Mom said no. But, I also knew there was a tree house down the way. Down the alley and over to the right somewhere. I never did make it out there, that direction. Never saw that tree house.

So, just trying to get there. Trees, yes, in abundance. They are all over the place.