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Message started by Vicky on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:09pm

Title: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 5:09pm
This Partnered Exploration is open for anyone to join and the purpose of this PE is to visit with Bruce and share your experience here.  Hopefully weíll have some interesting results!

Iíll make it pretty simple:  Letís set a 2-week period starting now where anyone can participate at any time visiting with Bruce and then share their experience here at any time.  Whatever you experience in your attempt(s) is welcome to be shared here.  There doesnít need to be any set day or time, or consensus questions to ask, or any specific place to meet nonphysically.  I think that having it generalized in this way makes it advantageous for anyone to join in and participate.  But if anyone would like to partner up on a specific day and time or to meet nonphysically together, go ahead and post it for someone to join you. 

Individually you may have your own goals for participating, such as wanting to ask Bruce a burning question youíve always wanted to ask him, or asking him questions about his physical lifetime that you have no prior knowledge of in the hopes of getting it verified, or just seeing what you gain from this experience and see if it gets validated in someone elseís experience.  You may want to see what he is doing in the afterlife or ask other questions, or simply just use Bruce as a target for practicing techniques. 

Everything is a learning experience and the more you practice, the more you learn.  There is no true failure, since every experience is an opportunity for you to learn to trust your perception and to learn how you translate into your awareness the thoughts, feelings, symbols, and images you perceive. 

You may experience other people from the forum in your PE, or you may have an experience that doesnít seem to fit the goal here.  Bruce wrote in the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook: ďDescribe what you actually perceived as opposed to your interpretation of what you perceived, and, always include all the details, especially the ones that donít seem to fit. Details that donít seem to fit often have the strongest validation potential.Ē

I think that having a 2-week period gives people time to plan and prep and have ample time to try to get something.  We all have different schedules and time zones, and itís not necessary that we each participate at the same time. 

Iíll start doing my sessions tonight and will continue each night.  See you out there!

Vicky 

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 2:54pm
My first try. Done the breathing, set intent to meet Bruce and ask specific question. Then using focused attention. Quick entry into hypnagogic state, seen and heard some stuff but no memory at the end. Remembering meeting a guide i think who looked like my friends brother but younger than now. He wanted me to follow him downstairs. Seeing a standing woman on right that i know personally, she stares only. Saying something to the guide but dont remember what and then started to run towards him. Scene fades to white, feeling choking sensation, cannot breath. Does not hurt, but either not pleasant. Dont know if the woman is doing this or what or why. Disconnected. Physical pulse and breathing seems normal. Remembering around 30seconds of 30minute session. I was surprised that it worked so fast.

Next time i ask for protection.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:59pm
For my first attempt I didn't get very far but at least I tried despite having a pinched nerve in my neck to deal with.  I fell asleep too fast.  But I used the imagination method and was imagining traveling by car to go visit Bruce.  Suddenly it morphed into me being on a boat in the ocean and Bruce was sitting next to me.  I asked where we were going and he said to an island.  All I remember before falling asleep is that we were the only passengers besides whomever was driving the boat.  It was a small passenger speedboat, like a tour boat.  I guess I fell asleep at that point.

I need to work on staying consciously awake.  I may need to try this at another time other than bedtime.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Giulia on Jul 4th, 2018 at 1:26am

Vicky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:59pm:
I used the imagination method and was imagining traveling by car to go visit Bruce.† Suddenly it morphed into me being on a boat in the ocean and Bruce was sitting next to me.


That's really remarkable, Vicky! Do you remember the ocean being any specific colour, by any chance?

Last night I was unable to make any attempt because of the extraordinary heat wave we are experiencing over here at the moment.

However, I did make an attempt the previous night, and the impressions I got had to do with being immersed in non-physical sea water. The problem was I kept being distracted by the fan which I had to switch on in order to get a break from the heat. It was on my left, and I kept feeling pulled towards physical reality, unable to break free... I now realise this was due to the fan. So I will try again when it is not so hot.

Incidentally, as I was getting home with my husband at midday (Italian time) yesterday, I checked our iPad and found one of those random messages Facebook sends out with a new friend suggestion.

I wouldn't normally mention this, as I do not use Facebook that much. However, I thought this was an interesting synchronicity and thought I'd report it.

I will try again when I wake up at dawn tomorrow.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by seagullresting on Jul 4th, 2018 at 11:39am
I came here this morning after waking up and read the above posts. I was somewhat worried I might be influenced by what was already said but thought, I am going to try anyway. I looked up a deep theta binaural beat youtube video. After googling binaural beat on youtube I picked the video at the top of the page, not thinking about it too much. The picture aside it was a mandala. When I clicked on the video to open it the main visual being used in the video was an image of blue water from beneath, with light above it. It was like being suspended under the water in a lake or ocean.

I had just woken up and did nothing before this exercise except make myself comfortable, no coffee, nothing.

I figured this would be a practice run. Very quickly it seemed I found myself moving around and felt that I saw Bruce there. I very soon was smiling and laughing to myself because he was riding on a dolphin in a pair of boxer shorts. Is that even possible? He was just having fun and it seemed like he was teasing me. It really made me smile.

I moved deeper into the meditation and was asking questions. It seemed like he was telling me that he understood the structure of the waves and the water and other things. I was receiving visual images of complex textures. This was kind of dark, too, with a sense of movement, as if I could just see into matter in some way.

I asked him how he saw things now. I was taken deep into a starry sky, deeper and deeper. His physical presence ended after the dolphin ride part of this experience. After that I was just speaking to him in my mind.

I fell asleep at some point and don't remember anything else.

Of course I will try again later, maybe in a few days. That was fun.


edit: Also, as I write this down a few other memories surfaced. This was a meditation with headphones, lying down. Often visual images return to memory after a few others do and not all at once. I do remember some physical structures being introduced, but it was all hazy. There were definitely some other events which took place that I don't remember now. It might have been good to ask for more clarity.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 4th, 2018 at 4:30pm
Hi Giulia,

The ocean color wasn't outstanding in any way.  I mostly noticed the waves and feeling the motion of the boat ride. 

I'm going to try again when I can be more focused.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 4th, 2018 at 4:39pm
Hi Seagull,

I love the image of Bruce riding a dolphin in his boxers!  That sounds like something he would do for fun to get your attention and make you laugh. 

It doesn't matter what technique is used to relax the body and engage the nonphysical senses, the important thing is intention and awareness and participation.  Remember, the "scene" is just a framework in which we can operate.  It's a structure to give us something to work with.  I think of it the same way I suspect our guides try to get our attention and work with us.  They have to "put up with" whatever we're doing and wherever we're focused in our physical daily life or during our dreams. 

I have the same thing you described...usually the imagery drops away and I just feel Bruce and I communicating with no visual awareness at all.  I have this with others I connect with, not just him.  Sometimes this feels more real to me because all I care about is the quick flow of communication going back and forth.  Sometimes it can be so "fast" it's more of just feeling-awareness than anything else. 

I too will work on asking for clarity as well as higher awareness.  I'll need to do more deeper meditation too because I much rather prefer that to just the imagination method which to me is more of a surface level awareness.  I'd rather be more deeply engaged in nonphysical awareness. 

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 4th, 2018 at 4:52pm
Hi Soulmael,

I like being in and working in the hypnagogic state but unfortunately I usually slip too quickly through it into regular sleep without remembering it.†

My advice is to remember your intention and to utilize anything that comes into your awareness, especially visually.† For instance you could have asked the guide or the woman something like, "Are you here to help me find Bruce Moen?" (or whatever your intention was).†

When you act as if whatever has come into your awareness MUST be in relation to your intention, it does several things:† †(1) It keeps your conscious mind focused on your intention.
(2) It engages your nonphysical senses in playing along/pretending which in turn keeps redirecting your attention to focus on your intention instead of getting caught up in the scene before you.†
(3) It reinforces your intention.† Whether you are interacting with guides or anyone else nonphysically, when you act as if "Oh you must be here because of my request for such-and-such" it kind of "forces their hand" at responding to you instead of you responding to some other interpretation.† Even if the imagery is just dream stuff, you continuing to play along but only focused on your intention also reinforces your own nonphysical awareness to continue to be focused on your intention.†

It's the very same concept as what happens when you go shopping for something specific for instance.† Let's say you go to the store for one specific thing, but as you're walking through the store you see something that catches your attention.† For a moment you stop and look at it, touch it, think about whether you need it, etc.† You're distracted from your intention.† At some point you need to tell yourself, "I'm really here for such-and-such" and then you go back to walking toward it.† You might continue getting distracted along the way but as long as you continue refocusing on your intention it's ok, eventually you'll get there.†

It's very easy for our Interpreter to run away with us or for us to get derailed by Interpreter Overlay.† I imagine this is just as easy to happen in the hypnagogic state as any other state.†

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Jul 5th, 2018 at 3:20pm
to Vicky : Well yes, i think i was just a passive watcher that time.

Also good example with the shopping. Thanks.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Giulia on Jul 6th, 2018 at 5:06am

Giulia wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 1:26am:
Incidentally, as I was getting home with my husband at midday (Italian time) yesterday, I checked our iPad and found one of those random messages Facebook sends out with a new friend suggestion.

I wouldn't normally mention this, as I do not use Facebook that much. However, I thought this was an interesting synchronicity and thought I'd report it.


Here is a link to the Facebook notification I mentioned the other day: http://bit.ly/2MQuIbS


Vicky wrote on Jul 4th, 2018 at 4:52pm:
It's the very same concept as what happens when you go shopping for something specific for instance.† Let's say you go to the store for one specific thing, but as you're walking through the store you see something that catches your attention.† For a moment you stop and look at it, touch it, think about whether you need it, etc.† You're distracted from your intention.† At some point you need to tell yourself, "I'm really here for such-and-such" and then you go back to walking toward it.† You might continue getting distracted along the way but as long as you continue refocusing on your intention it's ok, eventually you'll get there.


I agree this is a great metaphor.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Claudio Pisani on Jul 11th, 2018 at 2:02am
I've tried to contact Bruce and I saw him again close to a lake, he was smiling and I knew he was goin' to fish salmons. The lake was big and high snowy mountains were barely visible in the distance. Bruce was there to rest and enjoy his new life, not yet eager to explore the new world, because he said that his earthly explorations match very well with the informations he's collecting from other Spirits. It's time to relax, the last message I've gotten. Did he love to go fishing? ;)

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Giulia on Jul 11th, 2018 at 12:29pm
Hi, everyone† :) Water seems to be a recurring element in these accounts, doesn't it?

Ever since this thread was started, I have made an attempt at least every other day, and have found myself swimming in the sea as I used to when my dad took me with him for a swim in Amalfi when I was tiny and could hardly walk.

The feeling was the same as I experienced in those days: complete safety, joy and this liquid energy everywhere.

So I thought I would recall the account of a visit with Bruce on my early morning of Sunday, 21 January 2018. I was in the middle of writing an e-mail to Vicky when I decided to listen to one of my guided meditation tracks: during the guided meditation, I was invited to open a door, a door that would lead me into whatever reality/dimension I needed to visit at the time. So I stepped through the door and instantly found myself in the familiar living room of my Italian grandmother's house. I used Bruce's imagination technique and was surrounded by many departed relatives and also asked to see him. He seemed to deliberately behave as if he were a dream character, so I played along with that and asked for some kind of evidence that this was not the case. At that point, he showed me how easy it was to fly out of the window and instantly reach the sea (the sea was glorious, it was a deep colour of green, and I realised it had regenerating properties and one could fill a tank with that spirit essence and take it). [Here is why I asked about the colour of the ocean you experienced in your trip on the boat, Vicky].

On that occasion, Bruce reminded me of a major dream contact I had had with a friend who died back in 2002, who told me that being able to astral travel as I did was like being able to swim under the sea without a respirator and visit other dimensions. I had completely forgotten about that experience, so I was surprised he should mention it.

As Vicky was on my mind at that time, he told me how proud he is of her and mentioned how important it is to feel proud of oneself and about each and every life experience. He showed me a tree and how each branch with its leaves is so very important. It was only a little while later that I was reminded of Vicky's otherworldly experience with Bruce and the tree-house, and felt this might mean that Bruce and Vicky and their work together is an ongoing reality.


Vicky wrote on Jul 3rd, 2018 at 11:59pm:
For my first attempt I didn't get very far but at least I tried despite having a pinched nerve in my neck to deal with.† I fell asleep too fast.† But I used the imagination method and was imagining traveling by car to go visit Bruce.†Suddenly it morphed into me being on a boat in the ocean and Bruce was sitting next to me.† I asked where we were going and he said to an island.† All I remember before falling asleep is that we were the only passengers besides whomever was driving the boat.† It was a small passenger speedboat, like a tour boat.† I guess I fell asleep at that point.


Vicky, this experience reminded me of the fact that I have always been fascinated by the story of the Titanic disaster in 1912 and have read many accounts by people who survived the sinking. It was only recently that I discovered that a very famous Afterlife researcher, W.T. Stead, who died as a result of that event, later communicated from the Afterlife thanks to the assistance of a medium and of his daughter Estelle. He talks about the rescue of all the victims of the Titanic, their transition and what happened to them next. The location he describes is an island, and the book collecting the accounts is called The Blue Island. I thought this was an interesting synchronicity to mention, since Bruce's work (as far as I can remember) has been especially focused on retrievals.  :)



Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:26am
I avoided reading updates here until now because I wanted to continue trying to find other participates and/or join where you went nonphysically.  I havenít had any luck yet but I will give it another go tonight.  Does anyone else want to keep trying?  We don't need to put a cap on trying, might as well leave it open for more.  I wondered if anyone wanted to try focusing on specifically meeting each other together with Bruce??  I find it helpful to focus on an agreed upon idea or place.  Let me know if you're interested in that.

Claudio,
Iím not sure if Bruce ever talked to me about going fishing but if I had to guess I bet itís something he liked doing.  I know he liked the lake and the mountains.  And every time I try to tune into his vibe I feel the sense that heís still very much laid back and not rushing into anything. 

Giulia,
I loved the experience you shared from January!  I often remember and think about my treehouse experience with Bruce.  That was such a special OBE.  I love that you felt Bruce was telling you how proud he is of me.  That really makes me feel good. 

I really do believe that what that treehouse OBE meant was that Bruce and I are always working together spiritually.  Here, physically, it was reflective in how we both had many similarities in our interests and experiences, how we came to meet and be friends, and share many things in this life.  The treehouse OBE was an experience where Bruce and me lived in a treehouse where we worked together teaching as many people as we could about love.  Itís my belief that he and I have always been working together spiritually, and the treehouse OBE was just a symbolic representation of that. 

I donít know if itís an actual nonphysical reality.  I guess it doesnít matter.  The energy of it is what really matters.  How we interpret the energy and what we translate that energy into is secondary. 

My best analogy for this concept is how love often translates into a kiss.  Itís an automatic reaction to want to kiss to express love.  The feeling of love is the essence.  Itís whatís truly important, right?  But we often interpret, translate, and reflect it into something else, most often a kiss.  The very first thing I did when my daughter was born was to kiss her.  The feeling of love overwhelmed me and I automatically leaned over and kissed her without thinking about it.  It was automatic.  Thatís what I mean by how we translate, interpret, and reflect.

Bruce and I had talked about the meaning of my treehouse OBE many times.  And he believed that it was an interpretation and translation reflecting the fact that he and I work together spiritually.  He basically was saying that itís not really important for me to wonder too much about whether the treehouse was real or if that was an actual reality where he and I spiritually lived.  The point was that it symbolized the essence of a feeling, and the feeling is whatís real.  Bruce believed that thatís what life was all about, to feel and to experience. 

PS --The reason why I use the kiss analogy and why I find it so perfect is because I remember that right after kissing my daughter, my husband told me that that was gross!  He said, ďOoh, sheís covered with blood and slimy stuff!Ē  I had to laugh at that.  Itís true, she was.  And after he pointed it out, it was kind of gross to think about it.  But still, it proves my point.  I automatically kissed her because I loved her so much. 

Giulia, what an interesting synchronicity about the Titanic book.  Iíve never heard of that book but I have now put it on my list!!

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Jul 16th, 2018 at 8:58am
So lets say we would set our intent as "meeting on Vicki's tree house" and then inviting Bruce to join us? Time of trying would not matter right?

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by withinn on Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:12am
I have questions about this contact with Bruce.

What did Bruce do? He created the afterlife area of study and so on. Bruce also worked closely (?) with TMI (The Monroe Institute).

With this form of background has Bruce moved on to an area where what we are seeing may only be residue of Bruce?

What I mean by residue is that are we creating Bruce from our withins therefore residue?

Why I ask this is because if Bruce is now done with his life here on earth and moved on then what is truly left for us to actually view unconsciously from Bruce? Therefore are we just imagining him?

Why I ask this question is because once moved on in the afterlife then is our chore finished with the earthly journey? Which means new learning on the other side is now being tasked.

Not all are tasked with retrievals on the other side. Many are tasked with other chores so our visit may not be truly occurring only imagined?

I think this idea may have to be explored with other Guides to find out the truth to our attempts to contact Bruce.

Or: If Bruce has moved on then are we actually seeing what we need to see? Or if Bruce's journey is complete here in the physical then is he done with the physical and no contact will actually occur?

I remember someone saying:
"We did a seance and called and called for this Great Being (from the other side). On and on we went because wanted to hear from this Great Being. Then the Great being appeared very angry.

The Great Being snapped at the seance participants and said why? why? did you call me back? I was evolved to a higher level and now you have ruined everything. I have now slipped down from the magnificence because of you, the participants, bringing me back."

That meant don't mess with things we don't know about.

Has Bruce moved on? which means contact may not be possible? Contact Guides on this subject and find out the truth before the apple cart is upset.

We need to respect Bruce even when he has passed on. Is his Journey actually complete with the physical and contact may not be possible? As I mentioned contact Guides to find out the truth on this.

Residue or?


Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Subtle Traveler on Jul 16th, 2018 at 6:41pm

Vicky wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 1:26am:
Does anyone else want to keep trying?† We don't need to put a cap on trying, might as well leave it open for more.† I wondered if anyone wanted to try focusing on specifically meeting each other together with Bruce?

I really do believe that what that treehouse OBE meant was that Bruce and I are always working together spiritually.†

Bruce and I had talked about the meaning of my treehouse OBE many times.† And he believed that it was an interpretation and translation reflecting the fact that he and I work together spiritually.

Bruce believed that thatís what life was all about, to feel and to experience.†


This is for everyone.

I am not currently practicing non-physical experiences, other than engendering the occasional dream state by relaxing with a specific technique before going to bed. Physically, I remain focused on other stuff right now. I have communicated this to Vicky privately, but I wanted to let others here know (e.g., publicly) since the idea of meeting non-physically with Bruce was being discussed.

To chime in on the general discussion ... I sense that it would be a mistake to have everyone "tap into or focus upon Bruce's and Vicky's tree relationship". Essentially, that is a shared place between Bruce and Vicky (e.g., their relationship) ... and not everyone here may have that specific connection with Bruce (e.g., an assumption).

I can share that I have had similar experiences (to Vicky) when non-physically meeting those connected to me and my physical life (e.g., for example someone who I dated and suddenly began having non-physical experiences with, but in physical life she wanted nothing to do with me). When I asked those supporting me more about that relationship and to also show themselves ... that's when I started having more experiences. However, the metaphor used in my experience was a "space station" (not a tree house). My primary guide took me there and showed me a much broader picture of the composition of souls which I extend from. I can share the specific† experience at another place and time (so don't ask about that here).

Anyway, my general point is that leap frogging or pigging backing upon Vicky-Bruce's relationship may not be a good idea. The branches of the treehouse are for Bruce and Vicky to explore, and not necessarily others who are not connected to their relationship. That is my simple warning.

However, I can suggest another common image. And ... Bruce may already be helping with that by sharing images with several here already of lakes, bodies of water, fishing, boat rides, etc. I would suggest everyone going with those visuals to form a common image.

Finally, when reaching out to Bruce, it is important to imagine these things tactilely. So, when walking down to the lake feel the path underneath your feet, imagine and feel a cool breeze coming off the lake, maybe imagine a dock and feel the dock and tied up boats, get into a kayak and start paddling on the water, etc. You are doing more than just imagining it, your are imagining yourself actually non-physically sensing it (e.g., more than just thinking about it).

Good luck to everyone!

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:07pm

Soulmael wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 8:58am:
So lets say we would set our intent as "meeting on Vicki's tree house" and then inviting Bruce to join us? Time of trying would not matter right?


I think that's a fine idea for any who want to do it.

The meaning of the treehouse was that anyone and everyone was welcome there.  It was always open for everyone.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:24pm

withinn wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:12am:
I have questions about this contact with Bruce.

What did Bruce do? He created the afterlife area of study and so on. Bruce also worked closely (?) with TMI (The Monroe Institute).

With this form of background has Bruce moved on to an area where what we are seeing may only be residue of Bruce?

What I mean by residue is that are we creating Bruce from our withins therefore residue?

Why I ask this is because if Bruce is now done with his life here on earth and moved on then what is truly left for us to actually view unconsciously from Bruce? Therefore are we just imagining him?

Why I ask this question is because once moved on in the afterlife then is our chore finished with the earthly journey? Which means new learning on the other side is now being tasked.

Not all are tasked with retrievals on the other side. Many are tasked with other chores so our visit may not be truly occurring only imagined?

We need to respect Bruce even when he has passed on. Is his Journey actually complete with the physical and contact may not be possible?


Lots of questions there.  And good ones to ponder.  My answer is why not try to find out all you can?  Bruce taught us that it doesn't hurt to try to explore on your own to find your own answers to have your own knowledge.

I knew Bruce personally and have had hundreds of conversations with him about beliefs spirituality.  He said he would always be willing to be in contact with anyone who wanted to contact him.  He also said that he had no idea what would happen to him after he leaves this physical reality, but that he knew he would always be willing to make contact and/or answer anyone's request for contact.  Personally to me, he promised many times that he would not only visit me (whether I was aware of it or not) but that he would do all that he could to try to make me aware of his presence.  So I believe him.  I have no reason to think that he's "over" the legacy he left here, or that he couldn't care less about my feelings now. 

Also, your questions seem to imply that if Bruce has "moved on" and is done with physical cares here, then we may only imagine a residue of him.  I'm not sure what you mean by that, but in my belief even if he has "moved on" we can still contact him, or to put it another way he can still receive our requests and desires for contact. 

These are my personal beliefs.  From what I have personal experience with, for instance my dad who died in 2010, I still have visits from him.  The last was when my mom was dying.  Dad was there.  So I do believe that they still care about what we feel and care about.  I can't imagine our loved ones just move on and aren't affected by our feelings and aren't pulled emotionally by our feelings. 

Bruce also taught that dreams was one of the easiest way for anyone to make contact with anyone, dead or alive because dream consciousness was an easy area to perceive in. 

So I think another great way to try and visit with Bruce would be for you (anyone) to set intention before sleep to visit with Bruce in a dream.   I agree it might be the easiest way to make contact  :)


Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:35pm
Hey Subtle Traveler, good to see you back on here!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings about this, but personally I don't care if someone intends to go to the tree house in my experience.  If it works, it was meant to be.  If not, then it's not a concern.   Like I stated previously, I remember the feeling of the meaning during that experience, and it was that the tree house was indeed a "place where we lived" but it was like a point of contact, a meeting place. 

I went and grabbed my book to look up what I wrote about it back then.  Here's a quote:  "And at the end of this day we returned to the tree house high in the sky.  Friends were waiting there to greet us, and we knew that more would be arriving.  Everyone was welcome.  They were our team, comprised of those we've learned from and those who've learned from us.  The tree house was the source of all of our spiritual prosperity and guidance.  This little home would hold as many as would come."

:)

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:42pm

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Finally, when reaching out to Bruce, it is important to imagine these things tactilely. So, when walking down to the lake feel the path underneath your feet, imagine and feel a cool breeze coming off the lake, maybe imagine a dock and feel the dock and tied up boats, get into a kayak and start paddling on the water, etc. You are doing more than just imagining it, your are imagining yourself actually non-physically sensing it (e.g., more than just thinking about it).

Good luck to everyone!


Boy I couldn't agree more.  Just last night I was thinking about this very concept and how important it was, and I made a mental note to make sure I noted it in my next book (that God only knows when I'll ever get around to finishing  ::) LOL)

I have been spending time each night doing some solid OBE practice and using the same technique so that I get it ingrained in my awareness.  Long story short, I was imagining I was in my back yard walking through the garden and I was wearing my house slippers.  I decided I'd rather wear my rain boots so I instantly switched to imagining I was wearing them instead.  I noticed that I was actually remembering specifically how they physically feel on my feet.  It was pretty neat!  It wasn't something I tried to imagine remembering.  It just happened so naturally and automatically.  And I thought "Hey, that's a good tip I could tell people about.  To remember the physical feelings of specific little things like that to make the experience feel more real." 

So I started purposely focusing on little details like that in my OBE technique, like what the doorknob feels like when I put my hand on it, etc. 

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Subtle Traveler on Jul 16th, 2018 at 11:12pm

Vicky wrote on Jul 16th, 2018 at 7:35pm:
Hey Subtle Traveler, good to see you back on here!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings about this, but personally I don't care if someone intends to go to the tree house in my experience.† If it works, it was meant to be.† If not, then it's not a concern.† †Like I stated previously, I remember the feeling of the meaning during that experience, and it was that the tree house was indeed a "place where we lived" but it was like a point of contact, a meeting place.†

I went and grabbed my book to look up what I wrote about it back then.† Here's a quote:† "And at the end of this day we returned to the tree house high in the sky.† Friends were waiting there to greet us, and we knew that more would be arriving.† Everyone was welcome.† They were our team, comprised of those we've learned from and those who've learned from us.† The tree house was the source of all of our spiritual prosperity and guidance.† This little home would hold as many as would come."

:)


Yes. I had a different impression about your tree experience or its personal meaning. When we last chatted, I interpreted that the tree experience was related to your non-physical relationship or purpose with Bruce (e.g., specifically the threads that you and Bruce may non-physically share OR how you are inter-connected).

My warning above was that not everyone here on the forum may connect to Bruce in the same way that you do (e.g., sharing a thread or soul or lifetime). However, that clarification did not mean that the tree could not be used as a focal point, but more that it might not serve everyone's purposes in the same way of meeting with Bruce.

The notes from your book certainly frame the tree's meaning or purposes more broadly than just your singular relationship with Bruce. I understand that now.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Morrighan on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:32am
Great refinements, Vicky. Imagine you're finding new uses too!

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:03pm

Morrighan wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:32am:
Great refinements, Vicky. Imagine you're finding new uses too!


Thanks, and yep. 

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 27th, 2018 at 12:35am
So is anyone still trying to do this PE? 

I've been trying different techniques but haven't had any experiences, at least nothing that I remember.  It's been a stressful week though, since my son had surgery.  Now that that's over with and he's fine maybe I can put more effort into focusing on my efforts.


Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Jul 27th, 2018 at 4:08am
Yes, not much to report from 45 minute session. Set intent to visit Vicki's tree house. Breathing and imagined tree house. Then starting to perceive something like a city in a distance, top of buildings sticking out from a big park. Then i meet someone but do not remember who it was.. no details. Also flashes of something i could not yet identify.

What i remember good is a constant rumble in background.. like someone moving planks of wood and hitting them. First i thought it was neighbor doing something at home. But when i interrupted this session there was only silence around me. So i wonder if this was also part of the nonphysical experience.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Subtle Traveler on Jul 27th, 2018 at 11:45am
I have not specifically aimed for this PE (or attempted to contact Bruce specifically). However, I am meditating regularly again. I once again have sound assistance for my meditation practice.

In regards to specifically practicing conscious NP experiences, a few days ago I had an early morning awakening (3:00 am) and I saw an opportunity to use the WBTB method. So, I made a conscious decision to practice beyond my normal meditation and quickly set my intention for that. After this brief preparation, some breath work, and some added energy work ... my body went back to sleep and I eventually had a conscious "phased" experience. There were several figures in the experience, so I flew around and attempted to talk to several of them. A couple of them had things to say (most did not as many were unknowing and zombie-like). When I awoke, I wrote everything down.

I share this here, but I do not sense that this encounter was related to the planned PE here. I did not recognize the zombies as people that might be here. One of the figures may have been a grandparent.

I am writing this out here to share that ... I have found that a little energy work before hand can really improve my "targeting" and "clarity" in my NP experiences. In some contrast, when I use just breathing and relaxation for preparation, I end up experiencing more dream-like states ... where I am less aware and just follow the given narrative of the experience.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 27th, 2018 at 2:29pm
Soulmael,

Interesting about the rumble noise.† I often experience nonphysical sounds and donít know what they are all about.† Since I do most of my nonphysical experiments before sleep at night I usually end up just falling asleep or going into the hypnagogic state which is where I get a lot of interesting visual and auditory experiences.† I donít always understand what Iím experiencing, and Iím not sure if theyíre of any real value, but I think it would be a fun state to do some experimenting with.

Subtle Traveler,

I too usually end up with more dream-like states when I just use a breathing method.† I much rather prefer to have a deeper, more fully-phased experience which is why Iíve been more focused on having an OBE.

I know I need to get back in the habit of doing daily meditation because without it I lose my focus too easily, or I just fall asleep.†

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Jul 27th, 2018 at 3:20pm
Vicky - Sometimes sounds can be used as nonphysical focus. I could just experiment and ask a question in my mind about that sound when it happened.. could lead to something interesting who knows. But i just decided it was only a physical distraction. Also, not everything there what calls you and sounds friendly is really friendly.

Subtle Traveler - zombie-like people could be ordinary dreamers that are stuck at that level of awareness as they use during the day. I personally would not recommend talking to them.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by seagullresting on Jul 27th, 2018 at 8:13pm
I am interested in continuing the experiment, just distracted by much recently. I would like to achieve a longer, more specific awareness while participating. It does bother me to have specific experiences dropped from memory as I return to this particular focus level.

That requires discipline and practice, as well as an ability to let go of ordinary consciousness.

However, I greatly value what we consider "ordinary" consciousness. Wherever we are, we are there.

Isn't it grand?

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Subtle Traveler on Jul 27th, 2018 at 10:50pm

Soulmael wrote on Jul 27th, 2018 at 3:20pm:
Subtle Traveler - zombie-like people could be ordinary dreamers that are stuck at that level of awareness as they use during the day. I personally would not recommend talking to them.


Yeah, I am familiar with the possibility of zombie-like figures being possible dreamers. However, I have found them nothing to be concerned with. You can greet them, if they approach you or are presented to you.

In phased experiences, I generally am open to communicating with others when they get face to face with me OR if I feel them specifically. In my recent experience, that is what happened with two of the personalities I talked to during the experience. They each got right in front of me, so that is when I communicated. In the experience, I was attempting to sense whether they were part of my community or not. However, there was no verification of that provided.

I also understand that just because someone is face to face with me that does not mean that they are there consciously. That has been my experience a few times. For example, last year I had an experience with someone on another forum (e.g., he has over 45 years of experiences and is very skilled), and he had no idea that we met up in the non-physical. It was kind of funny actually, because his presence and arrival were announced to me while I was sitting in this large building. When he appeared and faced me, I shook his hand and greeted him and sent him or stated my name. He was looking right at me the whole time, and so I waited for his response (which never happened). Eventually, he just kind of went somewhere else.

When I talked to him physically a few days later, he knew nothing of the experience. So, he was dreamer, but I found no harm (for either of us) in attempting to communicate with him in the NP.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Jul 28th, 2018 at 2:53am
Subtle Traveler : i have been warned in NP never to tell dreamers that they are dreaming or interact with them like showing them how to fly etc. Also i see from my own experience that talking to dreamers fells like they drag you down into their awareness level.


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...he had no idea that we met up in the non-physical

This is actually a good example that happened to me in the past. I think it has to do something with the multidimensional part of ourselves. Being on different levels of awareness and more than one NP body at the same time. Then how much can physical consciousness recall when returning back from travels with this much information.

The memory or recall of events seems to be the most problematic part. Does anybody know how to improve this or why memory fragmentation happens? Maybe low energy levels?

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Vicky on Jul 29th, 2018 at 7:20pm
I think one reason why some people are not consciously aware is because they are working things out, trying something out, or responding to something in the physical world.† It's my belief that we have a nonphysical counterpart of ourselves and that as we are living this physical life we're also simultaneously living in the nonphysical.† Not necessarily a day-to-day life, but at least one in which we act and react in conjunction with what goes on in our physical lives.† †

I once had a dream in which I had partial awareness, and once I woke up I knew without a doubt that the dream was about real-life circumstances, and I also knew that one person in the dream was nonphysically rejoicing over an event that was going to take place in her physical life.† Interestingly, it had not happened yet in the physical, yet nonphysically she was celebrating.† In that dream, it was a coworker of mine who was celebrating that she could now see very clearly.† In the dream I was shown she was wearing new glasses and then I was shown some dirty drinking glasses.† So when I woke up, my interpretation was that the double use of ďglassesĒ in the dream meant she had double vision.†

My hunch was correct.† I told her about my dream and then asked if she had double vision and was she considering new glasses or surgery?† She was shocked that I was right.† She was suffering from terrible double vision and was going to have surgery for it, but she was feeling very anxious and scared about having it done.† I told her that if my dream means anything, then to me it seemed like it was telling me she had nothing to worry about.†

That reminds meÖI had another similar episode many years ago.† Back when I was married and we were trying to buy our second house, the offer was about to fall through.† I was so upset that night and hated waiting til the next day to hear what was going to happen.† That night I had a very vivid and lucid dream in which I was flying over the neighborhood.† When I came to the new house I landed on the roof and I exclaimed ďYes!Ē really loudly and really excitedly.† I could feel that the house was ours and I was rejoicing and claiming it as mine.† I even remember that there were other people in this dream who looked at me weird when I did that.† Two people were walking down the street and when I my made exclamation they looked at me really shocked.† I donít know if they were shocked that I had landed on the roof or just that I was making such a loud exclamation.† I donít know if they were dreaming this too??† But it wasnít a normal reaction for dream characters.† This dream was different from a normal dream.† It was very real feeling.† Anyway, so when I woke up I knew the house deal was going to work out.† And it did.†

PS--About this thread topic of Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce...if anyone does continue to experiment or has something to share, please do feel free to share it here or begin a new thread.† †I don't want to disappoint anyone with this change in the conversation.  Also, I'm sorry that I haven't had anymore luck.  Am I just too distracted with other things?  Is Bruce just busy?  Maybe we're just not always meant to make connections.  Or maybe we just have to be patient and keep trying. 

I'm always "talking" to him every day.† I believe he receives my messages and feelings.† But I'm not always getting a feeling in return.† I have to wonder if he's just very busy right now.† But I trust that he's not unreachable.† The kind of man Bruce was here, he would sometimes get so focused on something that it would feel like he was completely gone.† He had the ability to have such a strong focus of his energy and attention.† I remember even his wife telling me that there were times she could walk into the room where he was and it would feel like he wasn't even in the room.† That's how focused his energy gets when he's involved with something.† So, I'll keep trying and I'm sure I'll feel his energy come around again.

By the way, it's ok that this thread has evolved to these other conversations since they are a natural course. I know some of you feel leery about breaking the forum rule about staying on topic.† I just want to clarify that it's ok as long as it's meaningful, appropriate, and a natural course.† True "off topic" issues are a problem when it derails from the original posters intention, is hurtful, argumentative, or is just pointless.†

If we get too off course from the topic of PE with Bruce, then I can make a dissection of those posts so that conversation can continue.† If not, I hope someone will continue to do the PE and share what they experience.†

By the way, I'm personally trying for an OBE contact.† That's my main focus right now.

As always, I appreciate all of your participation here.


Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 2:04am
Another try to get to the treehouse. Remembering meeting around 3 people but no details. Someone there mentioned name starting with B like Britany or Bethany.  Is that name sounding familiar to someone here?

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by seagullresting on Aug 2nd, 2018 at 10:33pm
Trying to get there. Brings me to some memories of being around 14-15. A friend of mine wanted to bring me along to ride a dirt bike along a multitude of trails in the huge field behind my suburban home. I had already gone exploring down the creeks and past the stream and sinkhole to the pasture where some horses roamed. But I had never been dirt biking. Mom said no. But, I also knew there was a tree house down the way. Down the alley and over to the right somewhere. I never did make it out there, that direction. Never saw that tree house.

So, just trying to get there. Trees, yes, in abundance. They are all over the place.

Title: Re: Partnered Exploration to visit with Bruce Moen
Post by Soulmael on Aug 26th, 2018 at 4:41am
Again using intent to visit the tree house. Remembering being in the dark as an observer. From there i was hearing a man and a woman discussing that she wanted to be a 'consultant'.. something with reading books to someone (children?). The man said that he has been doing this job for some time and he was not happy with it.

Also i remember having a dream few days ago where i was standing before a shop and i know that this shop belongs to Bruce Moen. But instead of going inside to look whats there i was buying three onions from a box with various vegetables. My father then paid for the onions inside the shop.

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