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Open discussion ... defining / refining what works
Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:12am
 
Hello. Posting this new topic in response to Vicky's experiences with Bruce and her own explorations beyond a structured approach:

Vicky wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:33pm:
When Bruce leads a group PE in his workshops it’s a very detailed and organized activity.  We go to our nonphysical place, meet up, gather energy at the crystal, meet with our helpers, and then go explore whatever meeting place we agreed upon.  Usually there’s awareness of interaction between participants and of course using your imagination to get the flow going.   

For the experiments with the photos, I don’t do any of that nonphysical prep stuff and don’t try to meet up with anyone else.  I find that it takes me too much away from the physical as Bruce’s prep work puts me in a much deeper state.  I would rather use my nonphysical senses while being fully present in my physical surroundings.  I do use a lot of what Bruce teaches but I like to apply it in various other uses.


So this thread is, in part a reply to Vicky, who asks:

Vicky wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:33pm:
Morrighan, you said you immediately pick up from everyone in your physical surroundings.  Do you typically do anything to “shut out” picking up info from people all the time?  If so what do you do?


and, in greater part, a thread for YOU to post your own experiences and questions about approaches to extra-physical communication.
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Reply #1 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 9:44am
 
Hi Vicky.

Same as you, my first days of extra-physical exploration started with the TMI methodology that Bruce refined after his experiences with TMI. The primary difference between the two is TMI uses Hemisync (TM) and Bruce does not.

Both methods largely dispense with earlier OBE literature that variously describes a "silver cord", and other phenomena.

Like many of you, I immersed myself in all manner of afterlife knowledge literature over the years. Mostly the possibilities of extraordinary adventure were at the root of my curiosity. "Wouldn't it be cool to ...." fires the imagination and desire.

That's all a long way of saying I jumped into the TMI course with both feet and did everything "by the book." And slowly it began to dawn on me: I already know how to do this. For me, it became clear I was trying to teach myself something I was already expert with. D'oh!

Uncertain what, precisely, triggered this realization. Perhaps it was around the time years ago when I was doing all the usual prep to make contact with a freshly deceased friend. He was most impatient with all the rigamarole I was going through and I was immediately present to everything he needed to share with me long before I felt I was "ready". By "ready" I mean in a deep, relaxed state of stillness. That is a method still taught by many.

And as I looked at it I realized I'd been doing this sort of thing for decades - without instruction, without "ritual", without "guides" or "helpers". To me, it was just as natural as opening a (physical) door and stepping through. Please not to use this metaphor as a method. I cite the physical door metaphor because it's something we do without thought. At some point long ago (in our childhood) we learn what doors are, how they work and how to use them. And never give it another thought. We simply open doors, walk through and close doors. No real magic. It's a door.

To me, it's about setting intent. Bruce's Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise helps us discern the point of intent that triggers the action. Others learn to set intent by chanting (I'm looking at you, Seagullresting.) Within my terminology, setting intent is informing creation. We inform creation when we ask: Show me where it is when we are looking for lost objects: http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1501270335

Ultimately we find what works for you. And this is the thread to share these findings.

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Reply #2 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 10:47am
 
Vicky wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:33pm:
Morrighan, you said you immediately pick up from everyone in your physical surroundings.  Do you typically do anything to “shut out” picking up info from people all the time?  If so what do you do?


That's a qualified "yes" from me, Vicky.

I'm qualifying it because it's not necessary for me to get a "hit" on someone's resonant signal through physicality. That's a long way of saying there is no need for me to be in physical proximity.

My own experience in physicality is I am immediately present to everything about that "other" person. There are likely no end of philosophical alleys and other dead ends to be discussed about they why, wherefor and how that interest me not at all. In my experience there are no secrets. We are field beings being a field. And my own refinement of this is: we are multidimensional field beings being multidimensional fields.

We can certainly hide known infos from our conscious awareness. We really do know on some level. It's a matter of discernment.

Suppose I could call it a "niggle" that is triggered that may swing my desire to be aware of something. When I pass someone on the street - just a random anybody - and pick up on all sorts of "low vibrational" energy, I may experience a corresponding reaction of "I would really rather not know." I believe the word for this experience is "revulsion" LOL

So much for the "theory". On to actual, personal example. None of the following is to be understood as something you should experience, how you  experience it, or that something is wrong if you don't experience it. We are all different and we all find our own best methods.

My friend with whom I am honored to share so much work and I may hold an exchange that goes like this:

She: What do you pick up when I say the name [Joe Blow]
Me: I [see/feel/notice] [foo / bar / baz]

Now it may be there are 10,000 people named Joe Blow and I cannot tell you (general you) just how I hone in on the right Joe Blow. Actually that question does not interest me at all. I always do. When I nail a signal, I nail a signal.

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If nothing is really private because we are all field beings being a field, what if I do wish to engage in something that is strictly private? This is actually a topic of concern my friend and I discussed only Wednesday.

"There's someone observing you," she says. "We can't continue this work today until you close that."

And I look and by golly she is right. We are engaged in work that some wish to monitor / record for their own reasons. We are definitely not good with that because their reasons include shutting us down / diverting us from our work / etc.

The countermeasures I / we employ are enabled outside the interspheres. This is a technical answer, and it is a correct answer.

Let me put it this way:

IRL (In Real Life) my Real Life Work is of a highly technical nature. (That line of employment is now in the past tense for me.) The probability that you (general you) are affected by my IRL work is 100 percent. It is not something you hold in any conscious awareness and I made sure of that. None of it bears my name. It bears my energetic signature but it is at such a low level it would escape the notice of all but very few who engage in the same work.

My present work is exactly the same but different. My work is not intended to be seen. It's not done for accolade. It's what is mine to do. QED.

So yes it is possible to do work that is not visible to the conscious awareness. I'd even go so far to say it is sometimes desirable to do so.

Should the actual need for you arise, the solution will become apparent.
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Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 11:18am
 
So how do I do it, really?

No-nonsense answer: I just look. That is all. Do I place intent when I look? I believe, for me, the act of looking is intent.

And of course there is no internal chatter going on. No mind to tell me / interpret what I see when I look. If mind pops in with its usual (unhelpful) advice / insight, then we engage in a new understanding. Remember, mind is not our enemy. It wants to please. Just a matter of giving mind something to do that makes it feel useful. Like a spouse .... LOL LOL

So here is a list of things that I don't do or require:

* no meditation etc. Just right here at my desk, eyes wide open.
* no ritual. No candles, no oracles, no incense, no bells, no altars.
* no interruptions. No radio, no telephone, no music: no peaceful sounds like waterfalls or wind chimes or any number of "awareness" recordings including Hemisync or related technologies.

In short, just [me]. When I am working with a client, the session is by voice in a Web application that is not Skype. I use a VOIP application that permits me to record the session for my client. There is no visual contact. I don't open the field with my client until I am specifically granted permission to look at their field. When the session is complete the field is closed.

How does this differ? Excellent question and not sure I can completely answer this. While I am aware of the fields of others, I do not interfere in their fields. Very clear about this. When I open the field with a client, I am looking much more deeply than with any old passer-by. I look in great detail. And I close the connection when the work is complete.

When my work calls for me to accompany an individual through their physical departure from their embodiment, it's only me. The last one I conducted took place on two continents. Physical proximity / contact is irrelevant, as is time.
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Reply #4 - Sep 8th, 2017 at 3:56pm
 
Hi Morrighan,

Sorry it's been several days since I've chimed in but I'm here now finally. 

I had such a HUGE success with one of your photo experiments, that's what I'm calling them, experiments, since I never know what's going to happen.  I believe it was #7 that was my huge success.  I'm not wanting to brag, LOL, and not wanting to post my results because it might spoil it for anyone else who comes along to try these at some point.  I'm also pleased it gave me a lot of research to work with for my personal psychic development.

But...I've been doing each of the photos you post and the last few haven't been hits at all.  And yes I know that it's possible that my "info" I get is real but just not stuff I can verify, however my intention is to pick up what can be verified.  Like I said, with #7 it was just incredible.  So I know "it" works, whatever it is. 

I'm like you, I don't rely on anything hokey or mystical conditions, I don't have any rituals or whatever.  Actually what works best is what you'd call beginner's luck.  I actually pick up more information psychically when I'm not even trying nor intending to!  And I think that's an important thing to note.  There's really something to that.  Because it's when I try that I get blocked and hung up. 

What I think is going on when "not trying" works better is more akin to why stage fright happens.  You try too hard to be prepared and you have expectations!  But if you don't have all that in your way and you're just being spontaneous, you do much better.  So now my new approach, instead of preparing and getting myself psyched up, is just going to be very spontaneous and literally the opposite of being prepared.  I'm not even going to get out my sketch book and pencil because even that is a form of preparation. 

And the other thing I'm going to change is how my intention is worded and what I mean by it.  I can't just rely on spontaneous good luck.  I want to actually get at the core of what is making it work when it does work.  And I think it all has to do with intention.  Not necessarily what we logically intend, but what it feels like before we're even logically thinking about it.  I'm talking about the state of being of what intention feels like.  Yes, just like what Bruce is teaching with the Silly Little Finger Bending Exercise.  In my own round-about way that is what it really comes down to for me, that feeling of intention.  No amount of logic, thought, and prep work is going to make much difference if you don't have the ability to spark and feel the intention.  Intention is like magic.  So, I personally need to spend more time focusing on noticing the feeling of intention. 

And I'm going to do that as much as possible throughout my day.  It's not enough to just try to do it for your photo experiments.  I need to be in the mindset of noticing the feeling of intention in anything and everything that I do.  I'm gonna play with that.  Like, pay attention to what I'm noticing and feeling as I intend and actually do something vs paying attention to what I'm noticing and feeling as I think about doing something but not actually doing it. 

I like to make experiments out of any normal thing.  So here's an example.  For a few days I've been wanting to paint my fingernails, but I just haven't gotten around to it.  I have been intending to do it but just haven't felt like doing it.  Every now and then I've looked at my nails thinking, "Yeah, I really need to paint my nails."  But I get busy doing something and it's just inconvenient because you know, when you paint your nails then you have to sit still long enough for them to dry and I have a hard time doing that, ha ha.  I just haven't really had the desire. 

But today I finally just sat down and did my nails.  But what I noticed was that it wasn't because I forced myself or because I planned it.  It was because the thought came again "I really need to paint my nails" and this time what came with it too was an actual desire to do it.  Finally. 

Does anybody else ever pay attention to how our desire to do something affects our intention?  I mean, you'd think desire and intention go hand in hand but they don't always work together.  I have lots of intentions that I actually carry out without having the desire to do it.  The same is true for having a desire to do something with no real intention for it.  I'm trying to think of an example....Ok, for instance earlier today I was desiring playing chess with my son.  The desire just kept popping up in me, but I have no intention of doing it and carrying it out today, mostly because I have other things I really need to get done.  And my son has stuff to do too.  I bet if I asked him, though, he'd say yes.  But again, I've noticed that just because I have a desire it doesn't mean I am actually intending.  That's probably because the other things I need to get done hold more of a desire, a stronger desire. 

I think what does tend to happen with desires that don't get carried out, is that if they are strong or if they persist, what it does is it creates intention.  It's like it'll become more and more desirable until the feeling of intention is there and makes you actually do something about it.

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:09pm
 
Thank you, Vicky, for this exquisitely timed continuation of this thread.

First, yes, that our "break" in weekly targets is not coincidental. No more than your need to defer painting your nails until the time is right to paint your nails. (And I need to paint mine to-day!)

What appears most important to articulate here is the need to abandon the idea we are speaking from a point of indiviuated personality. We are informing the field and the field is us. And in this we come closer to the realization we are multidimensional field beings being multidimensional fields.

This is new language to many here, for we are are in the habit of residing in language that is comfortable to us. In writing this I ping that part of you who does not need to understand every. single. word. The part of you who IS, and always has been and always will be.

From the standpoint of ourselves as limited beings - remember this is an experience we choose to have - the idea we are bound by .... permit me to rephrase this in reply, Vicky.

The idea we are limited is what drives us to look for repeatable results. We have success with this target and some part of us demands we do it again with equal success. And that's really not the way it works. That's the way it works in 3D. So yeah, it works that way and it doesn't.

In your direct link with creation nothing is real unless you say so.


This is how we inform the field. It pays to be attentive in how we inform the field. When we say: "I don't do [this] well/reliably"; I can never be as good as [famous person]" &c &c we inform creation with "not good enough".

And this is how we were taught - that we must always strive to be better; that [famous person] is the pinnacle of [whatever it is they did]" and every other iteration to ensure we are somehow imperfect/incomplete/flawed and on and on.

In doing these exercises, when we tell ourselves "I'm not good enough to do it right every time", we are informing creation.

Just like there are times when it is right to paint our nails, there are times when it is right to explore. Think: The Byrds. There is a season, turn turn turn

We know when the time is right. No need to consult the oracle, or our astrology chart, or great learned men.

We are multidimensional field beings being multidimensional fields.

Only you can give yourself permission to see this  Wink


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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
A brief follow-up to my follow-up to Vicky's follow-up.

Stated every so slightly upthread:
In your direct link with creation nothing is real unless you say so.

Your response is clearly heard in my field, and in reply the exact same infos as in my previous post, re-languaged for your comfort.

Within the context of Bruce's travelogue of [some of] the "afterlife territories" we read of hollow heavens &c. And Bruce reports that when the individual is no longer resonant with the energetic that sustains the world [he/she] inhabits, out they go like green corn through the new maid.

When someone is in a [thief] "hell", that space releases its hold when [he/she] no longer holds the "thief" energetic, e.g. belief(s). If memory serves (been a long time since I read Bruce's books, but read them all with great interest), individuals who traverse and exit the belief system territories are, may we say: their services are in demand. No work shortage for them, hey? (Except it's another belief system - let's just skip that for now.)

Bruce reports his experiences within the language of the coalition of the personality matrix that is a "Bruce". And he languages the experiences within the extent of the experience of being a Bruce Moen. Just as I language what I see within the experience of being Morrighan.

We're saying the same thing, and none of this is news to you. (Except to your mind, clever that it is.)

My reply immediately preceding this annex is: you as a creator being create your personal reality. (Yes I hear the screams as you read this. Tough grid.)

When you (general you, or personal you, up to you) say: I am only able to nail a target once in a while, you inform creation that this is what you want. Be very careful when you say: I AM.

This is not about looking in the mirror like Jack Handy and telling yourself: "gosh darn it, I'm good enough." It comes from the core of your being. You can't get out of "thief hell" by saying: "whoops no more stealing for me," because there's a big difference between saying something and Being That. Still, words count, and we create as we language. We tell stories about ourselves as if we're really real LOL

You are not your story. You are only as much the story you tell yourself you are as you tell yourself you are.

Thank you for your indulgence.

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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 11:13am
 
Indeed, we do what is ours to do.
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Reply #8 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 9:09am
 
As Vicky notes, anyone, embodied or otherwise, is accessible to a skilled seer. It's not magic. And it's not necessary to close your eyes to see.
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Reply #9 - Oct 2nd, 2017 at 7:16pm
 
I've written myself a little note that I now carry with me everywhere.  It reminds me to remember "scanning" is what I call it when I am consciously aware that I intend to use my nonphysical senses. 

And it could be for any purpose, doesn't necessarily have to do with afterlife or psychic stuff.  It could be something like, you walk into a giant department store looking for one item but you have no idea which direction it's in.  That's an example of when I would choose to "scan" the store, literally just standing there looking around and waiting til I get a feel for where exactly I need to go.  When it works, and it usually does, it saves me from walking all over the place or having to ask someone for help. 

So my little note is reminding me to do using this ability whenever, wherever.  It's great practice and it's something I already know I can do.  Might was well use it more and get better at it.
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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2017 at 3:22pm
 
I notice that works best for me is when I'm able to have a feeling sense of perception, meaning that I'd have a sensation of an experience and then describe what it feels like to me.  For instance, if I said, "I feel like I'm sitting behind the wheel of a car that's driving down a long, straight road."  When I perceive that way I can just describe literally what I'm sensing without trying to "be right". 

I always try to tune into picking up information by feeling the sensation of the experience.  I do sometimes get visual impressions or have words come to me, but the feeling sensation seems to be the strongest means of perception for me. 

What I'm trying to work on is figuring out a format or a way to tap into that particular sense.  Sometimes I just feel like I'm not getting anything at all, in which case I just set it aside and plan to go back to it another time.

I have a project I've set up to help me hone in on the process.  Every now and then I print random photos from the Internet, then take that stack (turned upside down so I can't see the pictures) and place each one into a separate mailer envelop.  I have over a hundred that I've collected.  They're easy to shuffle and mix up.  When I randomly choose one there's no way of knowing which photo it is even though I'm the one who printed them out and put in the envelopes, although on one of these large batches I actually had my daughter sit and stuff the envelopes for me.  So every now and then I print more to add to the stack of envelopes.

Then when I sit down to try to remote view one, I have a sketch pad and pencil ready to draw or write any impressions.  Then I open it to check for any hits.  Then I keep that photo in the sketch book so that my results are always there to look back on.  I either get zero hits at all, stretch hits, a mixture of some hits and no hits, or I get direct hits. 

The goal isn't to try to see the photo as a whole but to pick up on "information".  An examples of really good hits are one was a photo of a house with several windows, and the windows had one piece of wood going horizontal and one going vertical across the middle as a decorative look.  In my notes I had "windows" and "crosses inside".  That's all I picked up on but it was considered a direct hit because it can be taken literally.  I didn't have a sense or feeling of a house or anything else, only the "windows with crosses inside".  My meaning of "cross" wasn't a religious one, only that something crossed.  I think it would also be fair to consider it a hit had there been a religious kind of cross, or if it had been an "x" type of cross.  All of these are valid meanings for "cross", although I know that how my interpretation works is that if it was an X I probably would have written X's and not called them "crosses". 

But you can see my point that how we perceive is filtered by our way of understanding and interpreting things. 

One of my best remote viewing practices was when in my mind's eye I saw a squiggly line dividing two halves.  I knew that both sides were connected but were two separate things.  On the right side were a lot of tall things, long, pointy, skinny things sticking straight up into the air.  To me they looked like lines.  When I viewed the real photo, it was of a shoreline, with the ocean on the left side and the beach on the right.  On the beach were several small sailboats…their masts were what I saw.  There were no sails on them, which is why I saw the “lines”.  Even though everything about this was a direct hit, I still had no idea what it was I was viewing.  I didn't know about the water, the shore, the boats, none of that.  I was literally just perceiving these elements as pieces of information, not as a whole. 

Sometimes I do think I get a case of beginner's luck, but from all my practices I try to hone in on the process and details of what I notice about how I perceive.  Then of course try to replicate it, which takes just lots and lots of practice.
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Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2017 at 8:52pm
 
Great post, Vicky.

My general view is it helps a great deal if one has learned to meditate with eyes open.
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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2017 at 10:27pm
 
Morrighan wrote on Oct 27th, 2017 at 8:52pm:
Great post, Vicky.

My general view is it helps a great deal if one has learned to meditate with eyes open.


Thanks, and I agree and am starting to do that more and more so that I don't rely on needing my eyes closed. 

If you're into brainwave entrainment, try listening to a Theta metronome CD and keep your eyes open.  It's pretty wild!
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Reply #13 - Oct 29th, 2017 at 3:48pm
 
One of the questions that often comes up as regards this sort of work is: what's it good for? You know, that and a nickel will buy a cup of coffee. Or that and a fiver will buy you a coffee at Starbucks ....

Matters not to me one bit of pocket lint how you (general you) do it, or if you (general you) believe it comes from here or there, or whatever theories and/or philosophies you (general you) ascribe to.

Is it useful in Real Life (TM)?

And this is an experience I had Saturday, and it dovetails with Bruce's reply regarding our right (or lack of rights) to end our lives. Because whatever you (general you) believe, we sometimes must make end-of-life decisions for our pets.

Spoke Saturday with a friend of mine who holds very tight relationships with dogs. She's always had a dog, and sometimes two. Her dog was nearing the end of her life.

"I asked her over and over, for the past two years, to tell me if she wanted to go," my friend says. "And I never got a response one way or another."

Around Thursday or Friday my friend said she found blood in her dog's stool. Her dog could no longer stand on her own. Very weak. Age, mostly. And my friend put her dog down on Saturday.

I found her that evening. She was crying. She and her dog were very, very close.

"Tell me what you see, Morrighan," she said.

And this is how it works for me: I answer straight away. No meditation, no consulting the spirit world, no rituals, no gazing, no smells and bells. I just look.

"Gratitude," I reply, never missing a beat. For that is precisely what I was present to.

The tears flowed and this was a great release for my friend.

"She [the dog] wants you to let her go," I added.

A great wave of grief was lifted from my friend at this point, and the healing was underway without a word more.

Just to be clear: I didn't go into this with any intention of healing my friend, "fixing" anything, blah blah woof woof.
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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 8:11am
 
On getting "hits".

There exists a somewhat pervasive notion that only objectively verifiable information is valid when, let's call it "taking stock" of a "target". By objectively verifiable I mean a hypothetical situation like this:

We shift our awareness until we are in (depends on the language you care to use - focus number number, brain wave state this or that, level some number, any number of other descriptions). Now we are in the presence of our recently or not so recently departed, and ....

And what?

What is it I require to validate my experience? Do I need a name, a maternal grandmother's first name, place of birth, circumstance of death, the name of their first pet?

Parapsychologists and others have been playing this game for years. Decades. Centuries. And proved .... what?

Just what are you (general and specific you) attempting to verify? Mind is not your BFF here folks, IMO.

In my case - and this is 100 percent likely not to be in your case for we all perceive differently - the pertinent information I pick up is non-verbal.

Bruce talks about this as he learned to communicate with toning. TMI teaches the use of non-verbal cues.

Have you (general you) forgotten your pre-verbal state? Back when it looked to you like your parent appeared incredibly stupid? What do I need to do to get some food around here? and this is what we learn very early on.

Did you ever imagine the recently deceased might have other things to say that go beyond their personality in life?

Did you ever imagine you are able to go beyond your personality NOW?

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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2017 at 6:10pm
 
Morrighan,

Ever since we’ve been doing the picture experiments, I’ve been using a little thing I’ve come up with in preparation of each target.  I incorporated your admonition of not interfering with their field.  I’ve said these words and meaning and intention in some form or another each time I do this kind of experimentation.  It’s memorized by the heart not by the word.  It goes something like this:

<<  I would like to make contact with this person for the purpose of my personal psychic and spiritual development.  This is not a retrieval, it is an experiment to help me practice and hone my perception.  I ask that my guides and helpers protect me and guide me in this endeavor and that they direct my intention and request to this person’s higher self.  I don’t want to interfere in any way with this person’s field.  I want to perceive and receive verifiable information in any way that I can for the purpose of this experiment.  I would like to know, what are you most recognized for in the public eye?  How did you live your life?  How did you die?  Is there anything else you want me to know? >>

Even when I try doing Retrieval work I never focus on names, dates, locations because it’s too much of a logic-mind focus for me.  I’m much better at the feeling side of things.  When I can feel something, it’s real for me. 

About how I “feel” things.  I’m definitely not always right.  But when I DO feel something, then I know I’m right.  An example is that I have a black velvet drawstring bag that I just recently filled with 80 plastic game pawns.  (I used to use marbles but these pawns have much more vibrate colors).  There are 8 different colors, 10 of each color.  So I do regular practice of reaching my hand in and drawing one, then taking a guess at the color.  Of course by “guess” I mean that I’m trying to sense in any way that I can what the color is.  I log each draw.  I’m looking for how I got the right answer when I do get it.  I’m not trying to be right, I’m just trying to notice what is happening when I AM right. 

A big clue that I’ve noticed is that I get more hits when I am able to FEEL the color.  What I mean is, if I just randomly choose a pawn and then try to sense the color, I am less often correct than when I tell myself, “I want to choose a blue pawn”.  When I set an intention for a specific color, and then reach into the bag, feel around, and let my fingers just find a piece by intuition, then I’m more likely to get the correct color!  I believe it’s because I connect with a sense of “feeling”, like I open up my ability to “feel”.   

Another thing I’ve noticed about “feeling” is that there are times when I choose one randomly, then sit and hold it tight in my hand with my eyes closed and I say to myself, “I want to know what this color is”.  I say it with conviction, meaning that I really do want to know it.  Like I said, I’m not right 100% of the time of course, but when I AM right, I actually do feel the feeling of the color.  I can’t really describe what that means, but for instance when I feel yellow, it feels yellow to me.  When I feel blue, it feels blue to me.  It’s an actual feeling that is specific to each instance.  So in this way, I’m learning a lot about how my perception works. 

For anyone reading this who thinks this is hogwash, who thinks that being psychic means being perfect or else you’re fooling yourself, my whole point is to say that what I’m doing with my own psychic development is not to be right, it’s to know how my nonphysical senses work and to know it when I’m really using these abilities.  In this way my doubt will weaken and my trust and confidence will strengthen, and I want it to become so natural that it becomes second nature.  It used to be second nature to me when I was a very young child.  But having grown up in a very dysfunctional family it really dampened my psychic abilities so I’ve had to relearn it as an adult.  My mom was always telling me as a child to stop talking like that, stop telling stories and making things up.  She never believed me or listened to me, so since I had no support and I was constantly told I was weird or lying, I just learned to keep everything to myself and not really focus on that side of myself.

And I’m not trying to sound like “poor me”.  I know that no one’s family is perfect, but I really did have a lot of crap in my life and when you have to use all your energy to "survive" you lose a lot of yourself.  My dad was an alcoholic.  My mom was depressed, suicidal, emotionally abusive, what you call a “toxic parent”.  I was molested several times (not by family) when I was very young, raped at age 19, and the man I married ended up being physically, emotionally, and verbally abusive.  All of these unfortunate, bad experiences have really hammered into me to trust what I feel and that my feelings are the only thing I can trust in life.  Because I’ve become so guarded and protective of myself, I rely on my feelings, both emotional feelings and sense awareness, before I can trust, because I can’t just trust at face value.  When you’ve been lied to and manipulated and hurt, you become very guarded.  This has caused me to require feeling to back me up before I can trust what I think.


Back to using this “feeling sense of awareness”.  It is something I know I can trust because feelings are so strong for me when I do feel them.  It’s less hard to “feel” something when it just pops into my head.  It could be right or it could just be something I made up.  If I don’t feel it too, then I don’t know why it just popped into my head.

For instance, on your last target, his real name was Bob.  But the name “Gary” popped into my head.  I have no way of verifying “Gary” to this guy on the Internet so therefore it’s useless for my purposes.  What I also thought I was picking up on was that he was a mountain man, loved to live the reclusive mountain life, and that he was also into boating and in fact had invented, designed, and developed some type of boating gear/mechanism thingy but he wasn’t really known for it because he was such a private person and this wasn’t something he was marketing.  It was more of a hobby for him.

So, I have no way of verifying this.  But let’s pretend it’s all completely true.  If I have no way of verifying it’s true then it doesn’t really help me.  I still plow forward though, still playing along and act as if I am really connected, really receiving real information.  Because this is what I’ve learned from Bruce and I trust this process.  He says to just play along in your imagination and what you think you’re receiving.  It might be right, it might be wrong, but just go along with it.  Because in this way you are tuning into your nonphysical senses, allowing them to open up.  It’s a process.  Eventually you will get something right by using these senses, and this whole process (even the wrong stuff) is working toward strengthening those senses. 

A big part of what happens in psychic (nonphysical sense) perception is that the conscious mind and physical senses get distracted enough that the subconscious mind can communicate and deliver information to the conscious mind.  The other end of that bargain is that the conscious mind is in a state of allowing itself to receive it (rather than blocking).  It’s a two-way street.  This is Bruce’s concept of Perceiver – Interpreter.

And as Bruce always says, getting some kind of verifiable information is a necessary part of the learning and development process.  We need that to tell us “Well done!  You did it!” because it boosts our confidence because we have proof that what we’re feeling and how we’re sensing is a real thing that can be trusted.  Eventually we get to the point of not needing verification anymore.

As good as I am, I’m not good enough yet, so I just keep practicing until I have consistency and can really, truly tell while I’m working at it that I actually am really, truly receiving real information.
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Reply #16 - Nov 1st, 2017 at 7:32am
 
Imagine putting your intent into the non-verbal realm? Actually, when I place my intent it's far less granular. It amounts to seeing only what's really there; nothing more and nothing less. I do remain mindful of a quiet mind and intervene quickly when mind wants to "help".
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Reply #17 - Nov 16th, 2017 at 2:51pm
 
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Reply #18 - Dec 24th, 2017 at 9:12am
 
Hi Morrighan ...

Just wanted to acknowledge that I am reading through your thread here, while making what I am doing here 'more physical' for some to see.

I like what you said about 'moving on from your initial TMI instruction'. I have never been to TMI myself, but I use hemi-sync regularly (not strictly though).

I am also enjoying you and Vicky conversing here. It will probably take a few visits to work through the content here. This is my first visit to this thread. Thanks for sharing here!

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Reply #19 - Dec 25th, 2017 at 3:35pm
 
Looking forward to your contributions to this thread, Subtle Traveler. All experience shared that furthers this field is welcome in these parts, IMO.

My observation is the belief that the task is hard to accomplish is the greatest stumbling block.
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Reply #20 - Dec 26th, 2017 at 10:32am
 
Morrighan wrote on Dec 25th, 2017 at 3:35pm:
My observation is the belief that the task is hard to accomplish is the greatest stumbling block.


I feel that I immediately understand this comment and what you are pointing to.

An author (Frank DeMarco) who I have been reading for just over a year was asked how he communicates with the non-physical (he has become very skilled at this). He said:

"I often tell people, this is a universal human ability, and it is easier done than said. In fact, probably they are doing it more often than they realize, but they are telling themselves it’s just their imagination."

To use your wording above, his comment about communicating with the non-physical "redefined for me what works". And, as you frequently allude to with your allegorical examples (e.g., like Tara), we get caught up in focusing and learning things that do not help us. The systems which teach us (even unfortunately helpful places like TMI) end up creating and building upon their own collective, 3D assumptions.

And, this is where it often seems to get tricky from my own experience (our 3D assumptions). As we realize this limitation and start to analyze it, we focus on that limitation too much. This takes us down the wrong trail, as our focus seemingly needs to be on the unlimited (an All-D perspective) for the 'more real' manifestation to take place.

So, thoughtful pointers help us see beyond and this is their importance (e.g., a transcendence from 3D only focus).

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Reply #21 - Dec 26th, 2017 at 6:36pm
 
Subtle Traveler wrote on Dec 26th, 2017 at 10:32am:
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An author (Frank DeMarco) who I have been reading for just over a year was asked how he communicates with the non-physical (he has become very skilled at this). He said:

"I often tell people, this is a universal human ability, and it is easier done than said. In fact, probably they are doing it more often than they realize, but they are telling themselves it’s just their imagination."


I also think we do it more often than we realize, and if we give it more credit and attention we can strengthen the connection and the ability.



Someone asked me if I thought “real perception” only happened during full phasing, or was it possible to have real perception during “dull” visions in the imagination when we are more connected to C1 than to the nonphysical. 

My response was that real perception isn’t equated with how well we get visuals or how much we've phased from the physical.  Perception is much more than just the visual.  For me the knowing part of “seeing” is usually much stronger than visuals, meaning that I know what I know without having to “see” it. 

Then I related a perfect example of the time I lost my favorite bracelet and decided to use my nonphysical senses to find it.  All I did was close my eyes and feel my burning desire to know where it was.  In my mind I had a vague grainy gray “visual” along with a knowing that came with my awareness. 

From this visual and my focused awareness, I got that my bracelet had fallen off my wrist the last time I was at the grocery store, which was two days prior.  I could “see” it lying on the floor in front of the dairy section and see that an older gentleman found it and picked it up, and I knew that he turned it in.  I knew that if I went there it would be in their “Lost and Found”. 

With that information, I drove to the store and asked a clerk if they had a “Lost and Found”.  He said yes and asked what I was looking for so I described my bracelet.  He went and got it and told me that an older man had turned it in on Tuesday, which was two days prior, the last time I’d been in. 

So while the visual wasn’t terribly impressive, it was still something I could trust and use as a tool to help pull my awareness into that area of consciousness.  It definitely wasn’t as visually stunning and real-appearing as some of my other visuals but it’s a great reminder to me that that doesn’t matter.  “Real perception” is so much more than what we might expect or hope to get. 
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Reply #22 - Dec 26th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
And well seen.

The skills we strengthen as we exercise our atrophied muscles of awareness have more uses than merely contacting our great uncle Henry. Seems to me it's not about developing expanded awareness. It's about developing greater sensitivity to our own field of awareness.
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Reply #23 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
A moment's reflection to consider:

Responsibility comes with success. Pretty much a standard agreement, in my experience.
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Reply #24 - May 21st, 2018 at 6:09am
 
Well, i have something to say on the Frank DeMarco. I experienced something similiar in nature as he does when working with TGU. I asked something Morrighan through PM here and she replied. And then later when i was home i sensed in my awareness (or mind) that i am doing conversation with her in fluent english. (i am not english speaking so it goes slow when i normally translate in realtime word by word) I was aware at the moment that this conversation must have gone for some time and it looked like some part of me is asking and some other being (not me) is answering. I just had known that it was her. Silently listening for few seconds.. then my mind or whatever it is interrupted and started thinking "is this real or imagination?". Hard to prove.. At the moment i was not trying or relaxing.

This happened few times by itself whenever i had conversation with a living person or nonphysical person (in my example a dream guide) and had more questions after that i desired to be answered.
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Reply #25 - May 21st, 2018 at 8:36pm
 
English isn't the only language I use  Lips Sealed
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Reply #26 - Jun 3rd, 2018 at 12:03pm
 
Being present to

as the optimal route.

Being present to what you are present to is
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Reply #27 - Jun 28th, 2018 at 3:42pm
 
You mean being present to what happens during the day? Like something happens because i previously asked my guidance for an answer? And the answer comes maybe as something unexpected and i miss it. So it comes in another way the other day.. and again.. and again.. until i give up.
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Reply #28 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:41pm
 
Being present to now also includes being present to our body. Our bodies inform as we inform our bodies.
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Can i get an example of 'how a body informs us'?
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Reply #30 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 4:14am
 
Tried to experiment in relaxed state with intention "to know what my body feels when i ask a question for yes/no response". Got two slightly different physical like feelings in the area of solar plexus.
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Reply #31 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 6:46pm
 
Soulmael,

It would be interesting to do some tests to see if the yes or no follows a pattern, and if it is accurate, and if it serves as a 'gut feeling' that you can trust. I think that was a brilliant idea.
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Reply #32 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 11:07pm
 
This sounds like a good experiment not only to give a try to but to strengthen the connection.  It sounds like the kind of thing that definitely can strengthen when you practice regularly.  I also imagine your response doesn't have to only be a physical sensation.
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Reply #33 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 8:54am
 
Yes, if you feel it in your solar plexus you are right on target.  Cool
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Reply #34 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 7:03pm
 
And you may notice other things as well.
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Reply #35 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 3:24am
 
I can try to make a computer program that generates number 1 - 9 on screen and then i would ask 'is there a number 4 on the screen now?' and look for the feeling of yes or no. I would continue until i get a 'yes' but not looking on the screen to avoid interference of ego. Then generate new number and continue with guessing. In the end i would just compare numbers on paper vs numbers that computer stored into a text file.

Or does anyone have a simpler idea how to test this please?
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Reply #36 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 7:37am
 
Are there other questions that can be answered with a yes or no that are more personally meaningful?
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Reply #37 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 11:53am
 
Well, i could ask question like 'is my age ...' or 'is my name ...' and it would be like using a pendulum. But the yes/no could be colored by my expectations or knowing of the right answer... i guess?

Then there are questions i have but do not know how to check if my answer is really truth.
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Reply #38 - Aug 18th, 2018 at 11:58am
 
Try to think with your heart and feel with your brain  Shocked
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The hearth is silent.
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Reply #40 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 3:27am
 
One thing that i see often is in Bruce's work and other sources that i read is 'feeling'. Bruce mentions that once you know the feeling you experienced you can experience it again from memory later.

Feelings are expressed by hearth. But what could be wrong when i ask myself (my true center) a question and when i look into the hearth there is just silence. If there is something like belief that blocks my feelings or something that i cannot name then what can i do to change it?

So i want to ask, is here someone who understands feelings and can give an example how it works for him.
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Reply #41 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 2:47pm
 
Mind is not up to the task  Shocked
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Reply #42 - Sep 13th, 2018 at 8:18pm
 
Soulmael,

Being in touch with your feelings and sense of using them, (like being an emotional or emotionally sensitive person) is a natural trait or instinct but I believe that anyone can learn and practice being more in touch with their feelings.  Even someone like me who is naturally an emotional person, I have to sometimes remember to give time to my emotional side.  I feel unbalanced when I have to focus on my logical, thinking, planning, doing side for long periods.  I’m much happier when life is more carefree and I have time to get lots of sleep, can daydream, and don’t have to be on a tight schedule. 

If you can eliminate things from your life and daily routine that can free up your schedule and give you time to yourself, quiet time, time to be meditative and reflective, and if you can just daydream and reminisce, those are good things to do and good practice for opening up the feeling side of you. 

I find that if I have too much noise and busy-ness in my routine then I’m feeling more sluggish and less in touch with my psychic and emotional side.  Sometimes I have to quit watching the news, watching TV, or spending time on my computer and just have more quiet time to myself doing things I don’t normally do.  Especially if I get outside in nature, or do spontaneous things I never really take the time for, it helps to open up my nonphysical senses.  Journaling, reading, or some other “me time” activity is also good. 

Sometimes just totally changing your routine or schedule or surroundings is a huge opener.  It’s why people need vacations just to get away from it all.  But I don’t like taking vacations where the schedule is filled with activities.  I’d much rather have a getaway vacation where I’m someplace quiet, relaxing, and peaceful.  I can imagine a nice place in the mountains, by a lake, fresh air, where I can just enjoy nature with no schedule or “to-do’s” whatsoever.   Roll Eyes  That would be nice!
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Reply #43 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 4:39am
 
It seems my guidance has been at work when i asked here about feelings Smiley. It is pretty much explained from the videos and webinar i found what i have seen symbolically in dreams (without understanding what it was).

Depression (or when you do not express emotions because of fear what others will think about you etc.) = depressed emotions -> creating crust like shield that = emotional numbness -> re-expressing emotions could be the solution. Repressed emotions are like blockages that prevent manifestation.

Here are videos if you are interested in what i found :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5PXma--4H0
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Reply #44 - Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:44am
 
Notice where in your body feelings originate? Follow the trace ....
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Reply #45 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:40pm
 
Soulmael, I watched your links.  These guys are very inspirational.  I don't know how the guy in the first link is but I always watch JP Sears' videos.  He's pretty funny.   Smiley
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Reply #46 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:56am
 
Morrighan wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Notice where in your body feelings originate? Follow the trace ....


Can you explain this a bit further please?
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Reply #47 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 3:00pm
 
Soulmael wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:56am:
Morrighan wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Notice where in your body feelings originate? Follow the trace ....


Can you explain this a bit further please?


Begin by first observing first that a feeling arises, observing where in the body that feeling originates, and then follow the trail.
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Reply #48 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
Hmm. Let's say i am uncertain of the process even when it looks simple.

By observing a feeling i see two options:
1) When i meditate i can feel something that i would describe as 'at peace and calm' or 'irritated and discomfort'. Maybe it depends on the state of mind and amount of emotional baggage or mental junk thoughts that currently reside and loop through my meditation. From there i just watch the point in the body and observe the feeling that can change or not change. Yet i do not know where from that observed point the feeling originates or how to follow its trail.

2) Or when i am in conversation with someone directly and then i feel anger or compassion depending on the situation they describe to me. Then i fell something in the stomach and hearth area at the same time i guess? Like something filling me and causing reaction.

In the past i have read about feelings and emotions in a book and there was info that feelings originate in solar plexus and then spread around to cause some sort of emotional poisoning.
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Reply #49 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
A rather more sophisticated maneuver than first imagined.
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Reply #50 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:45am
 
How about just observing feelings arising from hearth and not trying to use mind as a tool to remember, identify or comprehend anything that shows up from there. Let them flow out in order i can handle at that time and let it be sorted out by that which is observing the observer.
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Reply #51 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 8:00am
 
Sophisticated need not be complex. Sounds to me mind is running the show, Soulmael. And not every feeling arises from the heart....
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Reply #52 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 1:11pm
 
Are you pointing out that there are also feelings coming from outside of our field that belong to other being? Or that the feeling can come from some part of body.. my foot for example?
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Reply #53 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:56pm
 
It's your body and your relationship with your body. Your body does not speak your human language with words all in a row to form sentences. Yes, your foot has something to say and so does every other part of your body.
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Reply #54 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 3:15pm
 
With a bit of practice it's pretty easy to go from macro to micro - for example, begin with the left shin and go down to the bone, and on down to the marrow and find a single cell, and go on down from there ...

And all relevant to developing deeper awareness that is useful well and beyond afterlife territories.

Mind is not made for this work - the focus of awareness down to cellular levels and below helps in giving mind a new job.

I observe these techniques require what I call An Advanced Sense of Adventure.

As always, see for yourself   Smiley
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Reply #55 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 12:11am
 
Morrighan wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
With a bit of practice it's pretty easy to go from macro to micro - for example, begin with the left shin and go down to the bone, and on down to the marrow and find a single cell, and go on down from there ...

And all relevant to developing deeper awareness that is useful well and beyond afterlife territories.

Mind is not made for this work - the focus of awareness down to cellular levels and below helps in giving mind a new job.

I observe these techniques require what I call An Advanced Sense of Adventure.

As always, see for yourself   Smiley


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Reply #56 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 4:06am
 
Last time i heard something like looking into cells or minerals it was when i experimented with 'silva mind control method'.  In short i was counting from 100 to 1 each morning to deepen alpha brain waves. Long story short, i did not make it there. Just blackness.

But it sounds nice for those who can make it there and experiment, learn more about self from this awareness perspective. Smiley I would by really happy.
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Reply #57 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 9:50am
 
Not heard of that Silva thing in so long I forgot that even went down.

How about this: use whatever meditative techniques work for you until you reach a still quiet point. Move your awareness to the fifth toe of your right foot. The the fourth, and on up to your great toe, one toe at a time. Just move your awareness without expectation and look at what you see.

With experience you can move your awareness to hold every single bit of of your body cohesively.
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Reply #58 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 5:40am
 
When i quiet the mind and focus to a point in my toe and then move step by step to big toe then there is:
- feeling of moving, pulsating
- feeling of heart pulse
- some coldness like liquid entering from outside
- soft vibration that feels like ants walking inside of toe

No visuals, just dark grainy field that slowly changes.
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Reply #59 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 7:51am
 
It's only to observe. These are muscles that have atrophied you're exercising.

Edit: not sure how you came to believe you would be present to "visuals". When you open up to it, it opens up to you. It why being present to matters.

Afterthought: to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's" - may it be understood that with greater prowess comes greater responsibility.
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Reply #60 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 3:42am
 
When you look this way into the cells you don't see any visuals?

Let's look at this nonphysical thing this way. When i observe, this means just stare into the field behind eye lids i maybe can spot something from time to time. It could be just a bright point. Or mist like color. Or face of a person. Or landscape, sometimes moving. Or a short video sequence with people on street that i don't know. Let's say my session will last 45 minutes and i will spot 4 objects. That means lot of the time nothing is going on. This i call a passive way.

Active way would be when i stare into the field but at the same time i pretend (because my visualisation is not crystal clear) that i am building something. Hammering nails into planks etc. I can imagine sounds very clear, but images are somehow darker and not very clear.

Both passive and active way has a chance that i pop up somewhere. Where? I don't know. It is not where i imagine or intent to be. It feels like someone has picked me up and teleported me where my assistance is needed or where some learning has to be done.

Then there are problems. Like when i stands by a boy who asked me if i know his father. I don't know this. But i know that i am somewhere else (while sleeping) in an unknown world. Nothing around is familiar to me. I pick up the boy, but i don't know where to go. It is cold here, but i feel warm enough. The boy looks lost. I wander around with him. In this state i fail to remember about guides. I even failed to remember that i can ask my guidance. There were other people walking around but no one friendly to me. Maybe everyone lost and searching for what they lost. Next thing i know that i am in blackness disconnected, there i wait.. there is popping sound in my ears and i get reconnected back. But the boy is missing and i see that i moved somehow in that world from the spot where i stand before disconnection. I don't know how it ended. Is the boy safe or i failed? No one tells me.

There are lot of other weird problems i never read about anywhere. For example flickering awareness, where sound or sight is disrupted. Or there are people who know me, but i have no idea who are they. -> This are years of stagnation. I asked for help, but i got only 'it must be the solar activity messing with him'.  Shocked Who knows if they really understand this and can help.  Grin

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Reply #61 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 8:33am
 
Using 3D to explore 5D doesn't work so well, huh.

Many find at some point it is necessary to tell mind to STFU. This shift often comes as a shock to the system, and I suspect that shock is what opens things up.

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Reply #62 - Sep 24th, 2018 at 10:25am
 
Heh, the mentioning of 'shock' got me a hint on one of my recent memories from dream. And it makes sense now. Thanks Morrighan Wink.
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Reply #63 - Sep 25th, 2018 at 9:48pm
 
Soulmael, your descriptions ring true.

Regarding mind, it is a great source of camaraderie, safety, resource, beauty. One can love it fully and trust it to take one to a beautiful place. All for now.
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Reply #64 - Sep 29th, 2018 at 8:33am
 
Observing precisely what you see when shifting awareness to a particular body part (or cell, or cell components, &c) is a tool that can be used to increase personal cohesiveness. As you look, you may find (for example) your right foot is out of alignment with the rest of your body.

Being fully present in your body takes practice. It's seldom I find people who are fully present.

And if it's your intent to really survey your landscape and in doing so expand your landscape, it's quite important to be present enough to be present to.
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Reply #65 - Sep 29th, 2018 at 1:34pm
 
Many / Most schools teach Mind is Our Friend and Body is Not our Friend.

And I observe it is about reaching equity with Body and Mind, rather than Mastery Over.

All of which is relevant to the pursuit(s) of Afterlife Knowledge [there is no "because" as "because" suggests cause and effect] being fully present is all that is necessary, in my experience.
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Reply #66 - Oct 1st, 2018 at 2:15pm
 
It rings true with me after what i been through this week. Thank you all.
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Reply #67 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:29pm
 
A question for Morrighan. If i scan my body and there i find unusual feeling. After watching this feeling, it changes, gets more smooth and then disappears.

Is there anything else that needs to be done at this point of learning to listen to the body?
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Reply #68 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
Non-attachment

Remember you're rebuilding atrophied muscles.
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Reply #69 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 3:17am
 
What if there are no body feelings and no emotions arising from observing body? Or if there is just frustration and anger, then i just look at it as it is and observe.. and observe.. each day until it fades away too?
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Reply #70 - Oct 17th, 2018 at 6:15pm
 
It feels to me, Soulmael, you're very close to that moment when the penny drops
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Reply #71 - Oct 28th, 2018 at 1:08pm
 
It feels like i am nearing a point where no emotional reaction is created inside of me when someone tries to provoke me for example.

Question about meditation. When you stare with eyes open then the point of attention is where you gaze focused or inside of the body with eyes unfocused? And do you recommend to stare to near or far distance point?

Thank you for your tips Morrighan.  Smiley

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Reply #72 - Oct 29th, 2018 at 3:55pm
 
Some use a yantra, some use an altar, some use a candle, some use a mirror, and some gaze into a crystal.

I recall a movie line that goes: what do you see in the crystal?
"I see nothing."
Then I have nothing to show you.

As to my personal technique, it's about paying attention to what I'm paying attention to.

A friend shares her technique:locate, physically, the point of awareness. Which is where that begins. Not only is it a long way down the rabbit hole, there are a lot of rabbits!
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Reply #73 - Nov 1st, 2018 at 8:12pm
 
One of the things that comes with the new territory is greater responsibility. ( Just so none can ever claim no one told you what you signed up for  Wink )
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Reply #74 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:25am
 
I see that emotional baggage we carry around ourselves is a major problem that causes various unnecessary suffering. Something changed to a better state of being when i experimented with this and did few adjustments to my life.
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Reply #75 - Nov 10th, 2018 at 5:42pm
 
I observe a human habit of dumping unwanted thoughts and emotions on the body the same way humans dump trash on the planet.
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Reply #76 - Nov 11th, 2018 at 3:29am
 
I believed that when i find these emotions i pull them out of subconscious mind (where they are stuck because various reasons). Then i work on remembering when and what happened when the emotion was created. Afterwards i heal the emotion with love and it is integrated back into my field (using intention and magnet on meridian). So this looks to me like work with body & subconscious & mind.

I am still open to new and better solutions. Did you observe the last step as problematic when i do releasing trapped emotion by using magnet on meridian?
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Reply #77 - Nov 12th, 2018 at 6:05pm
 
Could it be that rather than being stuck the emotions are ready to be seen? And what if rather than apply brute force "pulling it out", be present instead to what it is?

Maybe share an ice cream cone, that always works  Cheesy
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Reply #78 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 10:21am
 
Share ice cream cone with the emotion (meaning: give it attention and love?) that is present in the moment when i find event that caused that emotion?
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Reply #79 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 1:21pm
 
The ice cream is one of those "ha ha, only serious" things.

Our bodies remember trauma because that's where we hold it. The entire memory of that scraped knee when we were four years old is often still lurking around somewhere if it hasn't  been released. When it makes itself present it's there to be acknowledged. It's up to you, as always.
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Reply #80 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:13pm
 
This could be also a little confusing or not? For example when the body is not in pain but it shows a skin rash. This also can be emotionally linked. Some pain can be caused by physically damaged tissue...

Then how to tell which is which without going to doctors each time body shows something to me?
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