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Re: Open discussion ... defining / refining what works
Reply #45 - Sep 16th, 2018 at 9:40pm
 
Soulmael, I watched your links.  These guys are very inspirational.  I don't know how the guy in the first link is but I always watch JP Sears' videos.  He's pretty funny.   Smiley
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Reply #46 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:56am
 
Morrighan wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Notice where in your body feelings originate? Follow the trace ....


Can you explain this a bit further please?
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Reply #47 - Sep 17th, 2018 at 3:00pm
 
Soulmael wrote on Sep 17th, 2018 at 6:56am:
Morrighan wrote on Sep 15th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Notice where in your body feelings originate? Follow the trace ....


Can you explain this a bit further please?


Begin by first observing first that a feeling arises, observing where in the body that feeling originates, and then follow the trail.
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Reply #48 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 11:17am
 
Hmm. Let's say i am uncertain of the process even when it looks simple.

By observing a feeling i see two options:
1) When i meditate i can feel something that i would describe as 'at peace and calm' or 'irritated and discomfort'. Maybe it depends on the state of mind and amount of emotional baggage or mental junk thoughts that currently reside and loop through my meditation. From there i just watch the point in the body and observe the feeling that can change or not change. Yet i do not know where from that observed point the feeling originates or how to follow its trail.

2) Or when i am in conversation with someone directly and then i feel anger or compassion depending on the situation they describe to me. Then i fell something in the stomach and hearth area at the same time i guess? Like something filling me and causing reaction.

In the past i have read about feelings and emotions in a book and there was info that feelings originate in solar plexus and then spread around to cause some sort of emotional poisoning.
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Reply #49 - Sep 18th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
A rather more sophisticated maneuver than first imagined.
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Reply #50 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:45am
 
How about just observing feelings arising from hearth and not trying to use mind as a tool to remember, identify or comprehend anything that shows up from there. Let them flow out in order i can handle at that time and let it be sorted out by that which is observing the observer.
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Reply #51 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 8:00am
 
Sophisticated need not be complex. Sounds to me mind is running the show, Soulmael. And not every feeling arises from the heart....
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Reply #52 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 1:11pm
 
Are you pointing out that there are also feelings coming from outside of our field that belong to other being? Or that the feeling can come from some part of body.. my foot for example?
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Reply #53 - Sep 19th, 2018 at 3:56pm
 
It's your body and your relationship with your body. Your body does not speak your human language with words all in a row to form sentences. Yes, your foot has something to say and so does every other part of your body.
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Reply #54 - Sep 20th, 2018 at 3:15pm
 
With a bit of practice it's pretty easy to go from macro to micro - for example, begin with the left shin and go down to the bone, and on down to the marrow and find a single cell, and go on down from there ...

And all relevant to developing deeper awareness that is useful well and beyond afterlife territories.

Mind is not made for this work - the focus of awareness down to cellular levels and below helps in giving mind a new job.

I observe these techniques require what I call An Advanced Sense of Adventure.

As always, see for yourself   Smiley
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Reply #55 - Sep 21st, 2018 at 12:11am
 
Morrighan wrote on Sep 20th, 2018 at 3:15pm:
With a bit of practice it's pretty easy to go from macro to micro - for example, begin with the left shin and go down to the bone, and on down to the marrow and find a single cell, and go on down from there ...

And all relevant to developing deeper awareness that is useful well and beyond afterlife territories.

Mind is not made for this work - the focus of awareness down to cellular levels and below helps in giving mind a new job.

I observe these techniques require what I call An Advanced Sense of Adventure.

As always, see for yourself   Smiley


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Reply #56 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 4:06am
 
Last time i heard something like looking into cells or minerals it was when i experimented with 'silva mind control method'.  In short i was counting from 100 to 1 each morning to deepen alpha brain waves. Long story short, i did not make it there. Just blackness.

But it sounds nice for those who can make it there and experiment, learn more about self from this awareness perspective. Smiley I would by really happy.
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Reply #57 - Sep 22nd, 2018 at 9:50am
 
Not heard of that Silva thing in so long I forgot that even went down.

How about this: use whatever meditative techniques work for you until you reach a still quiet point. Move your awareness to the fifth toe of your right foot. The the fourth, and on up to your great toe, one toe at a time. Just move your awareness without expectation and look at what you see.

With experience you can move your awareness to hold every single bit of of your body cohesively.
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Reply #58 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 5:40am
 
When i quiet the mind and focus to a point in my toe and then move step by step to big toe then there is:
- feeling of moving, pulsating
- feeling of heart pulse
- some coldness like liquid entering from outside
- soft vibration that feels like ants walking inside of toe

No visuals, just dark grainy field that slowly changes.
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Reply #59 - Sep 23rd, 2018 at 7:51am
 
It's only to observe. These are muscles that have atrophied you're exercising.

Edit: not sure how you came to believe you would be present to "visuals". When you open up to it, it opens up to you. It why being present to matters.

Afterthought: to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's" - may it be understood that with greater prowess comes greater responsibility.
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