Justin:

It would be useful to ask Don and Dude the same questions.

Dude, this sort of conversation has continued to take place, because both 1796 and Roger made rude comments towards Justin and I, and the conversations ended up progressing at they did.

Ask 1796 and Roger to contain themselves, and perhaps Justin and I won't find the need to speak up.

If somebody started a fundamentalist Christian forum, and a few people came to that forum, and started making a bunch of posts about the Disk viewpoint etc., and then spoke of errors they found in the Bible and said that such errors come from demons, and said that people shouldn't read the Bible, such site creator would probably ban such people, or tell them to move on someplace else. I believe it would be correct for he or she to do so. After all, if people searched for such a forum, they probably did so because they wanted to find out about the Bible. Why interfere with what they are trying to do?

Dude:

I am not interested in bringing this topic up over and over again. It is already out in the open. I spoke of it again, because of what 1796 said about some people being Paranoid. If somebody writes a post, I figure they have a motive for doing so. I know that when I take the time to write a post and present a viewpoint, I usually have a reason. If I say something such as "it is okay for people to make contact with the spirit world, as long as this is what they need to do and use discernment," I do so with the "intent" of helping somebody find what is appropriate for he or she.

I'm sure glad that I decided to make contact with the spirit world, because it has been really helpful to do so.

I understand about free speech, but sometimes free speech is about letting people have a place where they can speak about the things they want to speak of, without that place being turned into another place. A person can find out if they are in the right place to discuss what they want to discuss, by considering the site originator's purpose for doing so. Since Bruce is an afterlife explorer, and wrote a book explaining how others can do so, perhaps he didn't intend for this forum to be a place where people are discouraged from exploring nonphysically, and to instead read a book. If a seeker were to visit this forum now, he or she would find that a large number of posts serve that purpose.

In the end, it is not up to either you or I what takes place here.

Dude, you can believe what you want to believe, I will not try to change your mind.

But I will add, Bruce did tell Don that he wished that he would start his own forum rather than write what he writes here. If this isn't a clue, I don't know what is.

It's ok to not like an opposing view, but that view is to be countered with reason. This is reasonable.

Holding a grudge is like holding a burning log and thinking it must sting the other person, but it's likely that the sting stays put and only grows as long as the burning log is held. Forgiveness for others cleans out the hurt, and acceptance that whatever one accuses others for, the self sure isn't perfect either.

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Please, let's try to discuss ideas and not a specific person. Well, isn't this and any other argument put forth something that can be countered with reason?

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To counter an argument with "you are seeking to defame them with your argument" may be your assumption about another person, unless they of course state they are going for defame. Fighting one's assumptions leads nowhere. I know this. I also know that even if I feel something is so and so, that doesn't mean it is so, and I have to turn to reason to make something clear. And if my feeling of something is not correct, then I obstruct other people from talking, which isn't fair to them.

I Am Dude wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 9:43pm:


   Like Albert, I believe you and Don are mostly sincere and consciously think you are doing what is right and good. But I am reminded of Proverbs 14: "12 There is a way that men think is right, and its ways are the ways of death." I would add "and seems right". 

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   Vince, I've met Albert twice in person, talked to him on the phone a number of times and have been more or less consistent personal email communication with him for some 7 years or so now.  I would say I have a pretty good sense of what Albert is like, especially since I'm highly empathic and sensitive to people's auras. 

   Albert is one of the few people that I've met, that I sensed a good amount of Golden Light, of the awakened Heart, in relation to. 

    What you are doing here with Albert, is typical human judgment and heaping your own unregenerated, repressed/surpressed/disowned shadow onto him, because it's easier to do that, than face and deal with your own lack of Love.  Albert is an easy and attractive target for you because he is unusually attuned to Love. 

     In this situation, Albert is somewhat like, though not fully like, Yeshua, and you are one of those whose shadow is being powerfully and uncomfortably stirred up by his attunement to Light and Love. 

  There is another way, and another choice though. Look to self and get your own house in order, before trying to correct others.  Only those who have done the former in many experiences and for much of this life, can correctly and helpfully do the latter.  If self is given authority and go ahead from God and Yeshua to act in such a capacity, then such go aheads will be repeating and unmistakable. I'm speaking from experience on this.

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  It's very clear that dogmatic, narrow doctrine based religion is being pushed here by some. Both Bob Monroe and Bruce Moen came to the Earth to help counter balance this some 1700 year trend, and help facilitate a new way.  They have mostly been led by positive guidance in their efforts.   

  You know who wasn't led by positive guidance?  The Romans who made Christianity a state religion and who forcefully tried to force it down the throats of other nations and peoples.  And when I say "force it down the throats", I'm being somewhat literal, as some of the surviving original, small Christian groups at the time, who practiced things like vegetarianism, would have Romans pour molten lead down their throats.  Though technically, this was before the Romans "converted" and it was made a state religion. 

  But, the Romans never stopped the killing and torturing, they just started doing it in new names, that of God and Christ.  Lovely folks, lovely "Christians", lovely time periods. These were "anti-Christs". 

    The best way to teach Christianity and convert people, is by positive example.  Be and channel Love, and some people, after awhile, will take notice and think to themselves, "wow, maybe there is something to this teacher Christ and trying to follow him.  These person(s) seem happy, at peace, balanced, loving. I want to be like them." 

   Do you think this applies to self currently? 

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        Bruce is getting progressively more and more sick and closer to death.  Perhaps he has less and less time, energy, and focus to put on these forum dramas and conflicts? 
       I recently thought about filling out a Peer Moderator complaint, but I decided to not do so, because of Bruce's condition and that this drama is probably the last thing he wants to focus on right now.  Maybe he wants some peace before he leaves?   

   To some extent, this situation is karmic for him as well, because for many years even when he wasn't sick, he hasn't been too involved with this forum and not really paying attention to developing trends or people with deeper, hidden agendas. 

     When Bruce disconnects from the body, and more fully phases into his expanded/faster vibratory levels, he will see these situations much more clearly. 

  But, the fact is, Bruce DID speak up to Don at least and recently, and as Albert said, he pretty clearly indicated he was tired of Don's antics. 

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    If the folks are being completely upfront, completely sincere, and don't have a strong belief that everything but reading the Bible or being Christian is demonic, then yes, I would agree.  But you're not being fully honest with yourself. 

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    The only lying going on here is self dishonesty, and a lot of unconsciousness.  I brought up your Y.T. video earlier because it was a clear indication that you have tended to live in and from the ego pretty strongly.
       This doesn't change over night just because one becomes a Christian.  I have personally met many unloving and non Christ like Christians.  I am truly and sincerely glad that you have found out the importance of the Abba and Yeshua in the larger reality, but it's a long, narrow, and challenging road to walk before one even get's near them in a deep, consistent, and holistic sense.
      It's less about belief, and it's a lot more about livingness in relation to Creation in general and especially one's fellow humans. 

  Again, if self is truly fit to act as a facilitator for others, having first transformed much one's own shadow and lack of Love, then one will get clear messages, like dreams, from within from God and Christ, that this applies to self. 

  Have you had such dreams of late?   

  The unfortunate irony of this situation is that both Albert and I have had these kind of dreams messages, recently etc.  I know the first, automatic, unconscious thought/feeling is, "these dreams are from demons", but if you look at the Bible, you will note that dreams are one of the most preferred ways for God and Christ to speak to humans, and that's because our conscious, ego based personality minds are not involved in the formulating or receiving these. 

     I'll give you just one example from many:  I had a dream awhile ago, before I came to accept my role and why I came here.  In the dream, I was teaching a class, and a nice, sweet lady in same raised her hand.  I said yes, and she replied "Mr. W, you're like Christ."  I felt uncomfortable with the comparison and I answered, "While I appreciate what you said, I don't think/believe I should be compared to him."  I went back to teaching the class, and a little while passed and she raised her hand again, and I again said yes, and she replied, "But your eyes are even like his."   

    When she said that, I felt/knew the truth of her statement, just accepted it and didn't contradict her this time.  At the end of class, I saw a student who I had worked with in real life.  This student and I really liked each other.  I was a good influence on him and helped him a lot psychologically.  He was a natural leader type.   Anyways, I saw him at the end of the class, he had a big smile on his face, and he gave me a high five. 

      I've had a lot of dreams making similar points as the above.  I"ve had a number of talented, accurate sensitives say similar to me about my path, role, and what I came here for.  I've been getting these messages since I was 4 (Dr. Everywhere), but for a long time, I had false humility, false modesty, that I shouldn't be compared to Yeshua, because I had so put him on a pedestal, way above others and self. 

   I don't expect you to believe or accept the above, but I would like you to at least understand that this is the pov that I am coming from in talking to you and others in a more teaching type way. 

   If you have received a lot of these kinds of dreams, then let me know, and I will completely leave you alone from here onward. If this is true, then you don't need my or any other humans nudging. 

   Really, what I would most like for you, is for you to go deep within and ask to connect only to the Abba and Yeshua and rely more on that connection and guidance than anything else.  This is the main and most helpful/effective way to truth.  I realize that you have started to practice that, but I've noticed that you're listening to a lot of other people's beliefs and interpretations and being influenced strongly by these and that.

    Yeshua constantly stressed to others in his teachings, to go deep within and seek direct communion with the original Creator and he said, that combined with living an ethical, loving, holistically helpful life in relation to others, will help spiritually help a person more than anything else.  He spoke and emphasized so, so, so truly. It's right there, repeated in the NT.  Don't believe me, but believe his words.   

Uno wrote on Jun 10^th, 2017 at 10:58pm:


Exactly. With a solid logical argument, personal attacks are completely unnecessary, and usually a sign of a poor argument.

KB, I have my sins to attend to, make sure you attend to your own.

Dude, looking back at my life I've often been overwhelmed by emotions which makes it hard to think straight. People ends up chasing their own overly emotional tail. And when I've been able to recognize that I have been wrong, but not due to a higher ratio of emotions compared to reason, I've had the facts wrong.

To be annoyed or depressed about somebody becoming a Christian is unreasonable. If congratulations aren't abound, then it is at least time to let that sentiment go. Let go, let God.

Being reasonable:

- Stating facts that explains why something is the way it is
- To think in a logical way
- To form (a conclusion or judgement) by thinking logically
- The ability to think straight
- The ability to think things through
- The power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.

I don't truly know anybody on the forum, and it's also true that I have the ability to read.

First there is intent (do good), then there is action (do good). Proof is in the pudding.

Clarification: do good (for others).

How to remedy anger, depression, hurt, irritability and resentment that lingers (goes out from one, then around one, and back into one, goes out from one etc.):

Intent: forgive (and do good for others).
Action: forgive others (and do good for you at the same time).

Doing the right thing is reasonable, but make sure it is the reasonable thing to do.

I think what I have put into this thread speaks for it self, and will leave it at that (while I am still reasonable).

I'll end with this: it's if there is there is a lot of air around the body at the moment. I'm not sure what it is. Weird.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 1:59am:


    That's a curious statement.  Are you speaking of the fan that is blowing on my p.c. and me currently? 

      I suppose there are two ways one could know that, either via a kind of remote viewing, or via computers/I-net.  Either way, doesn't bother me.  I gave up on the illusion of privacy a long time ago. Way before it became publicly known that the NSA and others were collecting everyone's data, my spouse was having dreams that the government was tapping our phones, etc.    
   
      In the not so far future, there won't be electricity and Inet.  The seeming powerful won't be so powerful then.  As far as remote viewing and the future, when a person raises the vibration of the flesh to Light, then what would one have to fear?  Absolutely nothing, young one. 

  Well the statement was pretty vague and weird to begin with, and still is as clear as mud.

Btw, I don't (and didn't) think you're part of a group. I believe you that you live at where you said you live.

   But are you really going to deny having a certain, somewhat unusually developed skill set with technology and a tendency to not be fully open and honest with others? 

Why when earlier asked if you were new to this site or not, you outright lied to the one asking?  Why not just ignore the question instead?  Why should I believe you about anything when  you have already proven that you don't have a problem with speaking mistruth? 

  See, I'm the opposite, I always speak truth.  It has gotten me in trouble before, this penchant for speaking truth and being open and honest with my thoughts and feelings. 

  It's easy to be cautious and to keep things to self, I, like many others, did that for years as well. I realized that was the way of fear, and self doesn't want to be of fear anymore.      

Karmabalancer,  you should not obsess about the lives of forum members. You have your own life.

1796 wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 9:56am:


  Considering there may be some kind of deeper connection between you and Uno, then I'm not surprised by the above.  See my previous post, my Aussie friend. 

KB, I did indeed lie about not having been on the forum before, and admitted it to be so. What I didn't do was to apologize: I apologize for lying to you about my current avatar and about denying my previous avatar incarnations, it was a poor decision and should not have done that.

But you didn't answer the question, and it is a reasonable question considering the amount of posts stating that getting personal is not something they would like. So I ask you again, do you realize that at least some part of an eventual response will address you directly?

Hehe, R2, remember your reply previously in the thread. Address me if you need to and leave others out of it. This is also reasonable. Tucker Carlson indeed.

Thanks for being a voice of reason 1796, I've learnt a lot from that alone. Living a life without being so very emotional so often has been a life changer (less suffering), and for that I am very grateful.

Volu/Uno has been here for a long while in some form or another.  I'm a keen observer of others.  He has a certain history of interaction here with others.

  When you showed up 1796/CB, Volu et all. changed his usual interaction to be quite differently with you compared to others and his usual vibe/interaction.

I'm just noting strong inconsistencies, and I'm curious about the possible connection.

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 11:04am:


You're welcome Uno. I am pleased for you. You are doing the work though. The credit is yours.

And I thank you for encouraging me to write. I have not lived up to that all I could have. I have allowed myself to be undisciplined and distracted. There is more to write yet. Your effort and progress is evident, and that encourages me too.

Good news and Godspeed 1796, and I think it's common to find that all is in due time.

Thank you Lights of Love and Roger.

I graciously accept all of your thankyous and appreciations of my posts, but really so little of the credit of anything good that I do is mine. I think you know what I mean by that.

cb

1796-

I read your account you wrote in 2011 last evening and it has stayed with me ever since.

A few minutes ago a song came on that I'd like to share with you and others. It almost seems as if you wrote the lyrics!

https://youtu.be/6dbvOgFK2Iw

R

Uno wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 10:28am:


     You only admitted to try to publicly shame me and you did so unethically by sharing information that I had shared with you during p.m.'s.  What kind of people both flat out lie and then also follow that with the latter? 

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   I did answer you, I said that you initiated the personal focus, and I took notice and am now returning it.  Btw, why does it seem like you are threatening me in a veiled way?  I have no fear of your response.
    So you and 1796 have friends in slow vibratory, but materially high places--well I have fast vibratory friends in higher spiritual places. Guess whose friends are more truly powerful? 

   I'll note something interesting about 1796's blog, something coincidental:  1796's last blog post was in March of 2016. He had only posted 1 time that year. The last post is roughly around the time that he got banned from this forum for calling me a narcissistic psychopath, among other things. 
     Why if he had more time after not being able to post here, did he not continue his blog? Maybe it was just a smokescreen and distraction all along?  A way to get people to think he wasn't R.B. if it got brought up. Also his talk of believing in Christ seems to be similar.  R.B. does not talk about Christianity and Yeshua, and I think it's possible that this why 1796, sort of focuses on it.  But from having read many of his posts, he doesn't go into any true holistic depth about Yeshua and his teachings like I do.  It's always a very shallow treatment and surface addressing.   

    Yes, I did recently comment over there on his blog as "TruthSeeker". 

   My intuition tells me that 1796/C.B. may be R.B. Albert and I addressed some major issues with R.B.'s work on Seraphis's thread some years back.  At first, C.B. seemed friendly and ingratiating with the forum and even Albert and I.  He p.m.'ed me in personal, friendly ways, being all buddy buddy.  But then, he would make back handed disparaging remarks about and towards Albert and especially myself. 

   As I started to call him out on this, he became more and more abusive, extreme and negative in his personal comments to and about us and "liberals", etc.  He belittled our beliefs about treating animals well and eating vegetarian, among other things.   

     So yes, I have nothing to hide.  It is very plain to me that C.B. might be Robert Bruce.  My spouse had a dream related to this issue when I was re-thinking about what had happened a year ago and whether or not 1796/C.B. might be R.B. 
    Though she had no conscious awareness of what had happened on the forum, knows nothing about R.B., or that I was re-thinking about certain events and individuals, she had a dream which very CLEARLY spoke to the situation. 

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1491253521

    Both Albert and I view R.B. as a deceptive, unethical, false guru type.  It would not surprise me that after we spoke critically about him, he would want to "bring us down". Keep in mind that R.B. has spoken at The Monroe Institute, that he has made comments that make it very clear that he thinks he and Bob Monroe are part of the same OverSoul and that TMI is "his Institute". 

 
     If R.B. is the deceptive, negative, false guru type that Albert and I think he is, I would not put it past him to be here under false and deceptive pretenses, and to try to cause problems for Albert and I for speaking critically about him and his b.s.  This is a man WHO HAS DEFENDED A CHILD MOLESTER in weird and unethical ways. 

  Doing the above would be nothing to such an unethical and deceptive type person, who probably is very concerned about his public, social image, since HE MAKES MONEY OFF IT. 

  Now, I am a true spiritual Teacher, but I don't make any money off it at all.  Everything I do is for free.  Years ago, I did an astrological chart for Lights of Love (Kathy) for free on her request. Jeff who use to be on here requested a chart, and I told him I do it for free, but he insisted he give me some money.
     I don't really care about money much.  I am like my Teacher Yeshua in that sense. For my job, I make under 12 dollars an hour. 

    It's very clear to me that there is something up with both Uno and 1796, and especially their out of character, mutual self pleasuring relationship.  I am open to two possibilities about this.  That Uno is a friend of 1796 (R.B.'s) with computer skills (this site has been having problems in the last couple of months and so hasn't my connection to the site, which I've talked about multiple times having had log in problems). Or, that Uno is just another account that 1796 (aka R.B.) is posting under to psychologically support himself. 

   Here's some interesting facts about 1796/C.B.  He fully admits he is from and lives in Australia. I asked him one time if he had ever heard of Robert Bruce after figuring that out.  He said, "never heard of the guy".  Ok, but 1796/C.B. talks about classic OBE's a lot. 

   Hmmm, that would be kind of like someone in the States, into OBE's during these internet times etc, having never heard of Bob Monroe. Pretty unlikely.   

    If 1796/C.B. was indeed R.B., he would not be open and honest about it. R.B. is not an honest person to begin with. He has lied about his so called experience with the guru Sai Babba (a conman and false guru himself) and other things.  He's a materialist who uses high pressured salesmen tactics.  See this thread outlining some of these things:
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1440608438/all

     I bet R.B. is probably not to happy with threads like the above.  Oh well, corruption, deception, and con types needs to be exposed for what it is and they are. I'll talk a little more about that later.

    Why if 1796/C.B. wasn't R.B., would he call me such an extremist, negative label as a psychopath?  A psychopath is literally the worst kind of person there can be. According to current research only about 1% of the general population is truly psychopathic.  They completely lack felt empathy and conscience. 
    They are negativity and severe lack of PUL personified.  They are not interested in spiritual matters, though sometimes they are found in the Clergy (in a deceptive way) because they are attracted to positions of power and authority over others. 

   The top 10 jobs that least attract psychopaths according to research--well, my current job, of care taker, is number 1 on that list. 

   The top 10 of most preferred jobs that attract psychopathic types?  []= my comments.
1. CEO

2. Lawyer

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer [big surprise]

8. Clergy person [religion, but one can argue guru and general spiritual or metaphysical teacher types that try to earn money of it]

9. Chef

10. Civil servant [aka government]

Above excerpted from:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-p...

     If people would like to figure out the truth of the above matter, then don't listen to 1796, Uno, OR I.  Seek direct guidance on it.  Before you open self in meditation, state this intention, "I deeply desire and ask to attune to, commune and communicate with ONLY the purely Creative, purely Loving Sources or those that these may send on their behalf." 

  Get deep and still and with no preconceptions, ask these if 1796 is Robert Bruce or not. 

   I'm NOT afraid to speak openly and honestly about my true thoughts and feelings.  But it's become very clear that people like Roger (won't answer direct questions), 1796 (never heard of Robert Bruce though they both live in Australia), and Uno (he lied at least once) tend to not speak that directly, honestly, and openly, except in negativity to call others names like narcissist, psychopath, and the like. 

  If this was a case brought before a judge and a jury, things would be looking bad for 1796/C.B. and Uno by now.

 

   

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Fantasy, now you have a clue what the response will be about later. First, there is work to be done.

For reader’s information, the person Justin/Karmabalancer is referring to with the initials R.B. is a man named Robert Bruce. According to his website he lives in or near Sydney, Australia, and he writes books about astral travels.

He also has a website and a forum.
https://www.astraldynamics.com/
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/

I have no opinion of Robert Bruce, I do not know him, I have not met him, and I have not read any of his work and I have no interest in doing so. I watched a few minutes of one of his youtubes once but I cannot remember anything particular about it. I think I watched a minute or two then turned it off.

I would not have heard of Robert Bruce if it were not for Justin for two years relentlessly trying to prove that I am Robert Bruce. And if I’m not Robert Bruce then Justin tries to prove I’m someone else. Revealing and trying to reveal other's identity is a gross invasion of privacy and Justin should be permanently sacked for it.   

This forum that we are using is IP logged, as is displayed in the bottom right hand corner of every post. That means the Moderator can see the IP numbers of each of our computers. The Moderator can enter our IP numbers into an IP location engine website and see roughly where each of us live.

If RB, Uno and I are the same person as Justin says, then we will, of course, live in the same place. Vicky can easily verify that and tell the forum whether or not mine and Uno’s  IP locations are near to each other or in Sydney. I already know what she will find. She will find that mine and Uno’s computers are as far apart as it is possible to be, and that my computer is about 1000km from Sydney. So if me, RB and Uno are the same person using different computers in different locations then this person must have very long arms indeed.

That might be interesting for Vicky to do but she should not become part of Justin’s unhealthy dynamic. Instead Justin should just be sacked for trying to reveal a forum member’s identity.
For it does not matter who I am, whether I am a well known person or not, what Justin is relentlessly doing should disqualify him from this forum forever.

Justin/karmabalancer is very obsessed with me, as is his compatriot Recoverer.
Justin gets upset when anyone compliments or thanks me for anything I have written or done.
He gets angry and turns nasty against any forum member he suspects knows me outside of this forum, or is communicating with me elsewhere.
He demands to know what my relationships are with others on the forum, and their relationship with me. He assumes he is some sort of boss of other people’s relationships.
He demands that I give him personal information about myself, my work, my family and my friends. And he and Recoverer gossip between each other about what they think my personal information might be. 
He repeatedly says I am corrupt, a con artist, deceptive, evil, low vibratory, material, wealthy, fundamental Christian, under the influence of reptilian aliens….etc  (All quite silly really.)
Justin has vowed to reveal who I am.
He has vowed to always oppose me.
He says I oppose Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen (which I do not).
He says I am trying to organise a coup and take over the forum…. (take over from who? and who would want to control a forum anyway? I have a real life.)
Justin tells me he can remote view me and see through my deceptions for who I really am. (yawn)
He gets upset when I mention the words prayer, Christ or Christianity, and tells me I should pray to his yeshwa.
He has told me he has personal messages and information from yeshwa to and about me, which are just his own insults that Justin pretends are yeshwa’s messages. One such message was even in USA slang. Hehe, yeah sure, as if Jesus would talk to me through Justin, let alone in US slang calling me “dude”.

It would be funny if it were not tragic for Justin.
Justin and Recoverer have together waged a long campaign to reveal my identity.
Justin has flashed up posts with details purporting to reveal who I am and then takes them down again.
I have copied and kept two such posts.
His doing this to forum members makes him a menace to the forum and a threat to forum member’s safety.

Some people on this forum know who I am and what I do. They know that I am not Robert Bruce. And they will not reveal my identity. And I would not reveal theirs. There are others here though, to whom trust is only an important quality in other people but not in themselves where it is a thing of minor or no value. Even psychopaths and others who cannot be trusted expect other people to be trustworthy and get upset if they are not. It is not of others but of our self that we should value trust.

Personally, I consider that my being trustworthy/reliable to others is the most important thing I can be. What greater quality is there to have? If we are trustworthy, then we are everything, for being trustworthy is first and contains all else. Of course, we are all fallible, and should remember that of others, and understand and forgive accordingly.

Insults on a forum are just unpleasant things, they are no great problem compared to someone revealing other forum member’s identities.

Some forum members work in fields where they would be dismissed and could never work in their field again if it were known that they frequented and commented on a web forum such as this one. And some members may be employed in dangerous work with very dangerous people where for their own and their family’s safety they cannot afford to have their identities revealed.

Think of the jobs in society that one cannot reveal that one does, and that if one’s name and work is revealed on the internet then it would be highly likely to result in those people’s deaths or an attack on their loved ones. There are many such jobs associated with law enforcement, public safety and justice. 

Justin and Recoverer’s relentless campaign to reveal a forum member’s identity should have had them permanently sacked from this site years ago. They are a threat to other people's safety.

They even ran a thread especially dedicated to revealing my identity. And they are proud of it too!
They both frequently refer to it and link to it from other threads. Justin has even linked to it again in his post above.
Justin has no conscience; he and Recoverer are committed to harassing me about my identity and causing me as much trouble as they possibly can. And they have not yet been permanently banned for doing that. Amazing.

People should be able to use this forum with more safety than is provided here. If I were a Moderator then Justin, Recover and anyone else who tried to reveal other people’s identity or in any way threatened other people’s safety would never be permitted on this forum again.

cb

"Justin and Recoverer’s relentless campaign to reveal a forum member’s identity should have had them permanently sacked from this site years ago. They are a threat to other people's safety."

1796- You might remember a few years ago a member of the forum was wondering whether I was a male or female. Justin (who else) jumped in with his opinion, citing reasons why he thought I was male. As I recall there were other aspects about me that Justin was speculating about, such as whether I might be a cop.

You rightly critized Justin for his attempts to identify me to satisfy the curiosity of the other member.

This all fits a pattern. His certainty that you are RB including his certainty about 9/11 is delusional. He lives in a delusional and paranoid world. He can't stand it when someone gets more attention than him. When that happens, whether you or Don, he goes into attack mode with the objective of diminishing them and, in the case of Don, lobbying to get him removed. He craves to be the center of attention.

He most definitely needs help. Everyone sees it but him.

R
ps- actually Justin, I'm Robert Bruce

       Another objective, verifiable fact about 1796/C.B.  About a year ago, and about the same time, we were both banned. I came back earlier than him and started posting before he did. 

  For some reason, he didn't post until a little while ago, when I temporarily left this site. Almost as soon as I left, he started posting again, and one of his first posts was an indirect pot shot at me,

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Excerpted from http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1495894923/0
and reply 10. 

  How and why was this an indirect pot shot in my direction?  Because on that very thread, I was speaking out about the US Federal government's corruption.  I don't hate my country, but I really don't like how my government has become.  As a citizen of this nation, it is our patriotic duty to speak out against a government that has become tyrannical and power hungry. 
    Now, isn't it interesting that 1796, Uno, and Roger are all hard core, right wing conservative types?  Isn't it interesting that 1796 tried to make me speaking out about the corruption and wrongness of the US Fed. gov. about my "heart" issues so called?   He didn't do so directly, of course not, so that it would fly under the radar. He's apparently learning from Roger in that area.     

  But, very, very clearly, 1796 seems to have a very non-proportional, non balanced, personal grudge against me if he is NOT Robert Bruce. Seriously, who doesn't post at all until a certain person is gone, and then takes a pot shot at them right after that person leaves.  Hmmmm. 

   Would make sense if he Robert Bruce, the false spiritual teacher that both Albert and I have spoken critically of on a few different threads over the years since at least 2011. 

    At some point, "coincidences", logic, and connecting the dots logically, is no longer just "coincidence", but figuring out the truth of the matter.  Hmmm, maybe just like with the false flag event of 9/11 and other deceptions for self gain?

     In any case 1796, why are you such a coward?  Why wouldn't you post until after I left?  Why won't you tell people who you really are?  Because you are a spineless coward, who is filled with naught but constant deceptions and lies, just as Robert Bruce is.

  Like telling Tom Campbell while interviewing him, that a werewolf was on top of the building he was in.  Yeah, right buddy.  Or that he knows "secrets" that nobody else knows and can teach you, but of course, for a PRICE.  Or, that the "Master" Sai Baba, materialized to him, to show how special Robert was to have the dispensation of a enlightened Master. 

Turns out, this "Master" who "materialized" to him haha, was very clearly, both a child molester, general sexual predator, and also a sleight of hand, false miracle maker. 

   See, Robert Bruce is not interested in truth, in helping others, but only lining his pockets and having so much attention from so many.  If one understands shadow psychology well, it's very interesting in light of same, that 1796 would say that I am a "narcissistic psychopath".  What is that called?  Hmm, unconscious shadow projection and typical human ego based judgement.   

    It is so obvious that 1796 is Robert Bruce who has a grudge towards me for speaking up about his conman ways and shenanigans.  It couldn't be anymore obvious unless he actually said he was, but of course, he will never tell the truth.  It would ruin his reputation and carefully crafted self image as a spiritual authority figure haha. 

Well, you don't fool me, just as Roger never did. You both have different agendas, but you both have agendas.  Time and time again, I've said, as much as I disagree with Don and Vince in some areas, I do know and appreciate that they are sincere in their beliefs, and really think they are doing what's right and good. 

  But, as I am aware, this neither applies to 1796 or Roger.

   

   

1796, I am not obsessed with you, I simply pointed out occasions when you have spoken to people in a mean way. I also stated that sometimes Uno sounds like you,  but I haven't come to any definite conclusions about this. I can't say that I really care.

Other wise, I don't spend time thinking about you.

   Roger, it should be very clear by now, that I trust you about as far as I could vibrate you into a pure Light form.       

   In any case, I'm done with this thread. I have better things to do.   

  I came, I saw, I whistle blowed and I'm now whistling dixie and off to the next project and focus. Have fun pleasuring each other's shadows in my absence here.  You almost have enough members, both literally and allegorically, for a circle version. 

   ( Sometimes I crack self up)