Could it be possible that due to his lack of faith in the Biblical God, Monroe had a different idea of what the creator actually was, and thus found himself with a being that conformed to his idea and this was not the true God? After all, there's a different between not being religious and not having any preconceived beliefs.To claim he was unbiased or without belief would be a lie. Does the God encountered in near death experiences match what Monroe found? Do any NDEs speak of an "aperture?" Where was the being of indescribable unconditional love that is so often encountered in NDEs? I don't recall this in his books.

Thanks for sharing, although I was looking for NDE accounts. I don't hold what that person experienced with any level of credibility. For all I know, he could have experienced a manifestation of his beliefs.

Wasn't she the person who claimed that she had a prior existence as a fish on a watery planet?

It's been a long time since I read her book so I may be mistaken.

R

Justin said: "Judging everything and everyone by other people's interpretations of a book is a very limiting way to live, and it's not what Yeshua himself wants.  Don't believe me, pray to communicate to the loving God and him only, and ask these what they think and feel about such a choice and lifestyle."

Recoverer responds: "If a person has too many definitions of how God should answer, God might have a difficult time responding.

     

Recoverer 2 wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 11:20am:


  Yes, but asking them without preconceptions, I thought,  was kind of implied/a give in. Or at least should be.

    Vince, I didn't say that you don't pray to God for guidance, but I suggested praying to the loving God and Yeshua and asking them about this.

    If one's conceptions of God are limiting or distorted, well my spouse was very clearly shown in a dream, that one can connect to not the true God aka the First Self, and prime Creator, but to other, deceptive beings that while they consider themselves "gods" are far from. 

  For example, my spouse's mom is a fundamentalist, extremist Christian, and not a particularly happy or balanced person to put it mildly.  She is rather judgmental of others in a extremist, negative, and consistent sense. For example, she believes most people are going to eternal hell (though of course, she is going to Heaven). 

  One time, my spouse had a dream of viewing her mom "praying to God", but instead of connecting to The God (the Abba that Yeshua spoke of and to), she saw very clearly that her mom was connecting to a group of negative ET's that she saw as reptilian-humanoid in form.  As a side note, I believe that was her 2nd dream at the time of specifically observing this negative, reptilian-humanoid ET group.

That's why I specify connecting to the loving God, or God of Love. Putting Yeshua into the mix helps us to connect to the true God as well, since Yeshua came to express, live, and teach God's highest aspect--pure, universal, unconditional Love. 

   Albert and I are not your enemies btw, though we have spoken critically of you--well more so of your current approach.  Neither are we enemies of Don.  But we are enemies of dogma, distortion, and the hindering forces involved with this world. 

Those hindering forces like fundamentalist, extremist forms of Christianity and other religions and like when humans become involved in them, because these collective thought-form belief systems of humans have been very influenced by them, and have a tendency or influence to actually keep people from getting closer to the true God, Love, and Yeshua.  Like my spouse's mom for example.  Most of us know some folks that are very involved in a very fundamentalist and extreme form of Christianity or another religion and the bad effects that these have on them. 

   I believe (rather know), that Bob Monroe's Soul was a long time Helper, that part of his service job in coming to the Earth, was trying to help nudge people in a different direction.  One not so caught up in dogma, doctrine, and distortion, but based more on people's own experiences and direct guidance communication. 

   The latter is actually what Yeshua recommended when he was publicly teaching.  He constantly stressed that people should go within and pray directly to the Abba in conjunction with living a loving, ethical, responsible life, and that these were the primary ways to truth. 

    How often did he tell people that they needed to read the Torah?  He often only brings up the Torah, the 10 commandments, etc in relation to others asking him about it or bringing these up, and time and time again he stresses that the whole of the Law hinges on/revolves around the Love of God and of creation, and that if a person did this (as well as prayed to God), that all wisdom, all truth would come to them. 

  You're talking to two people that have made this a practice for decades of their life and they are trying to nudge you in a better direction because they deeply care about you and everyone in a universal, unconditional way. 

  The best and most effective way to truth, is not to listen to fellow humans (unless you meet Yeshua in the flesh, which is possible and actually will become probable for some later), but to pray directly to the Loving God and It's Son, the Light of Creation (well in this Universe), and then live the truth as he taught/exampled/lived in conjunction.

   That's all that any soul truly needs.  All the rest, is either trying to get a person to that state and approach, is superfluous, a distraction, or hindering. 

I Am Dude wrote on May 28^th, 2017 at 8:47pm:


Justin,

Please respect Vince's request--no more personal comments towards him.  I will send you a PM about this and if you need to talk about it with me do so that way.  Please do not respond here on this thread about it. 

Vicky

The difference is that my comments are not of a personal nature. I speak of concepts in and of themselves. I do not criticize others for entertaining those concepts. You haven't proven yourself able to discuss a topic without making personal remarks about those you are speaking to. It is not disrespectful to discuss a topic related to the afterlife on an afterlife forum. It is not disrespectful to have a different opinion about afterlife-related concepts. It is disrespectful to say that a person is hysterical for finding Christ and being transformed by the power of God, as you did to me. It is also disrespectful to make repeated ad hominem attacks. So please, show some respect.