Morrighan:

On replies 21, 23 and 25 of the below, you wrote that you and your team unplugged the white light trap (words you don't use).

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1485464089/15


Two of the main people that speak of the the white light trap seem suspicious to me. I won't name them, because I don't want to advertise their names. One of them says that NDEs are part of the white light trap. I've read a lot of NDE accounts, listened to videos of what some NDErs say, and had a NDE like experience myself (without a near death event), and I believe this fellows explanation of NDEs is hogwash. It's a shame, NDEs are one of the main ways people can find out about the afterlife, and this self serving man devalues NDEs for his own selfish purposes.

The other man made predictions stating that on a specific day in 2012, some people would enter a 5th dimensional world through portals, the Earth would turn into a star, and people who didn't go through portals would board Reptilian ships and become slaves. He said that he was certain that all of this would take place. Of course it didn't.

Morrighan wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 6:05pm:

Morrighan:

On the first post of that thread a person said:

"Anyone hear of the idea that the white light seen in the afterlife is a reincarnation trap perpetuated by a group of beings who feed off human energy (similar to Monroe's LOOSH idea) in order to renew their food source?"


Your first reply said:

"What a long, strange trip it's been. This topic caught my eye in my first return visit to this forum in ages. Imagine my surprise that my login still worked!

Yes, the White Light Trap. This is something our teams encountered recently and closed down. It didn't come to our attention as the White Light Trap. We were working on something else entirely beyond the Mirror Matrix."

Considering what you wrote, and the topic of the thread, I believe it is quite natural for someone conclude as I did.

Another thought about people who promote the White Light Trap viewpoint, one of them (a different man than the first two I referred to above) wrote that when a person becomes spiritually evolved he or she will withdraw from the influence of their body and become homosexual, because heterosexuality is an un-evolved body-based state of being. I have nothing against homosexuality, but come on.


Morrighan wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:

Morrighan:

You said, "Something like it, but much nastier"--so you did make a big claim. Regarding what has become of this board, I believe it is okay to question big claims.

Morrighan:

Earlier, on two posts, I explained that when I started this post I did not name you. You added yourself to the conversation, and lots of follow up posts resulted.

If it is okay for you to speak in a way that might lead some people to believe that spiritually developed people don't rely on what other people have learned at all, and that they don't need to learn from anybody else, perhaps it is okay for me to say that it is okay to benefit from what other people have learned, and to learn from others.

I see that on the white light trap thread, you said "I am extremely grateful for Bruce and his work, and extremely grateful to those others in my landscape who encouraged me in my work that is now my full-time job. Bruce, if you read this (Vicky told me), please accept my deep gratitude for all you have done."

So perhaps you didn't fully mean it when on this thread you said "Teacher? Nyet. That's the old way and the old has no meaning where I reside. I play or I talk, and I choose to play. What I create is mine and mine to share. I take full responsibility for my creations. Teacher? That time is no more. UNPLUGGED.".

Can you see that my intention for starting this thread is to share the viewpoint that it is okay to learn from others, including what some of them have learned during their own non-physical exploration?

It seems to me that some of the modern day white light trap people are trying to get people to forget what other people have discovered about the world of spirit, and to instead---------follow them. Such people seem to be extremists. I believe it is a mistake to disregard what various OBErs and NDErs have discovered.

Added note: If you believe that you are now beyond learning from others, sorry to say it, but that is probably your ego speaking.

To everyone,

It's been brought to my attention there's some conflict going on.  I'm letting you all know that I'm currently reading through this thread to get caught up and see what's happening.

Before more posts get made here, let me all remind you that everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and no one who posts here is doing so for the benefit of others to tear them apart for proof of their claims or beliefs, so please keep that in mind.

This is a forum of sharing and discussing.  Yes you can question others but if they don't want to divulge something to your satisfaction then please just cease engaging and/or refrain from harassment.

Please all keep in mind the posting rules and guidelines and refrain from attacking. 

Vicky:

Perhaps it would be good to tell Morrighan that if she doesn't want people to say something that disagrees with how she views things, then perhaps she shouldn't write on a public forum.

I believe that it is okay to learn from others. If somebody believes I am wrong, please, go ahead and say so. If people weren't so overly sensitive, we wouldn't have to have these back and forth conversations.

Vicky:

When I started this thread I had no intention for it to become what it became.  Whenever I wrote a post, I responded to a post that was written to me. If people don't expect for their posts to be responded to, then they shouldn't write them.

If one looks through this thread one will find that I started it without naming Morrighan, and every time I said something else, I responded to her most recent post.


Vicky wrote on Jul 9^th, 2017 at 10:24pm:

Pssst: this is how it works: Intent. Anchor in form. Creation. We are creator beings.

***

“Do you know Wang Dang Doodle?”

That’s Bob. Bob the harmonica player. He’s a bluesman, and he knows I’m here as the blues bass player. Three weeks have gone by since he first asks.

You mean:

“Tonight we need no rest, we really gonna throw a mess
We gonna to break out all of the windows, we gonna kick down all the doors
We gonna pitch a wang dang doodle all night long” I reply.

Bob grins. We’re on the same wavelength. It’s a Willie Dixon song recorded by Howlin’ Wolf. Yes, I know it. But can I play it?

“How about Wang Dang Doodle,” Bob asks tonight. It’s my night on stage and I’m prepared. After Bob asked the first time, I went back to woodshed the bass line from the original Howlin’ Wolf track.

And this is what my music teachers taught me to do: teach myself. And I listen to that track, again and again and again until I internalize the groove. This is my job with the blues bass: I play the groove. “My name is Ingio Montoya. You killed the groove, now prepare to die,” is the sig of another bass player I know. He also likes The Princess Bride, and this is where he created this witty insight. It is so true.

For me to internalize the groove, I first shift my attention to the first metapoint. What’s with this metapoint stuff? Certain I explained the concept of a meta-joke: a bloke walks into a pub. Something happens. The result is hilarious!

The metapoint where I shift my awareness as I internalize the groove to Wang Dang Doodle is where form and formless meet. Some of you who practice meditation may have found this space. To me, it’s about getting out of the way.

I think I have it. Now, using only my right hand, I play only the rhythm. Bzzzt. Wrong. Back to listening. It’s a rather sophisticated rhythm, actually, there is a lot of feel to it. And when I play I’ll be talking with the kick drum as I listen to the snare. My job is to provide the launch vehicle for Bob and Jason (guitar, vocals) to take orbit with Wang Dang Doodle.

We gonna romp and stomp till midnight
We gonna fuss and fight till daylight
We gonna pitch a wang dang doodle all night long
All night long

Now I’ve got the rhythm down, it’s time to work out the notes. I’m teaching myself.

This is about the metapoint. Teacher? Nyet. Some of my music teachers aren’t even alive today. They did their job. It’s my job now to teach MySelf. From the formless to form and back to formlessness. It’s my body that is the instrument I play. From the formless to form. The pattern goes into muscle memory and everything must be perfect. My body will never forget, so it’s vital that every movement that goes into muscle memory is perfect. My body wants to please, and it makes me so happy to

pitch a wang dang doodle all night long

We’re on stage. I know my song well before I start singing, Bob Dylan sang. My drummer is wearing a tee silkscreened with a murloc from World of Warcraft. This is going to be good, I feel.

I lay down my line that I taught myself. The drummer catches on and we settle into a conversation of time. And the band takes off…..

pitch a wang dang doodle all night long