Vicky:

I agree that it would be good to not try to turn forum into a fundamentalist Christian forum, when it wasn't started for that purpose.

Fundamentalist Strategy #1: Define new age experiences that don't seem to support the Bible as either delusional or demonic.

Fundamentalist Strategy #2: Provide Fundamentalist Christian perspectives.

Fundamentalist Strategy #3: Act indignant when people take exception with this and see what's going on, and try to get those people banned.

   Related to Albert's post above mine.  The irony of this situation is that both Albert and I deeply love Yeshua, his teachings, his living presence, as well as the Creator that Yeshua often refers to.  I know the NT way better than does either Vince or Rondele seem to know it.
     Heck, Yeshua is part of the subject title of the thread I started.  Heck, I even quote from the NT here.   
     Neither of us have a problem with people talking about Yeshua and his teachings. What we have a problem with, is the extremist approach of saying all non fundamentalist type Christian sources are demonically infiltrated and controlled.   
       I happen to believe that there are a number of very good and helpful sources that might be labeled by some under the "New Age" umbrella.  Such as Edgar Cayce, Bob Monroe, Bruce's work (of which about 97% I agree with and find helpful), Tom Campbell, Rosalind McKnight, many NDE's, and others. 
      Considering that both Albert and I always pray to the original Creator and Yeshua for help and guidance before opening ourselves up in meditation, yes, I would say this situation is pretty ironic.
      We are not against Yeshua and the Abba/Immah Creator. We are trying to act as a counterbalance to dogma, elaborate doctrine, fundamentalism, over generalization of other categories of beliefs, and extremism.   

TheDonald wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:42am:


  (Extra long winded, long suffering..)..Sigh... Don, buddy ole pal, then why did Kathy say what I quoted her to say earlier? 

   Or, more to the point, why did you say this below,
TheDonald wrote on May 16^th, 2017 at 5:36pm:


*my use of bold, underline, and italic. Excerpted from the following thread:
http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1494701075

      Take some deep breaths Brother, and then go read my Attunement thread and practice the various things there. After awhile, you'll find your memory, perception, intuition, understanding, wisdom increasing/sharpening/expanding. 
      These conversations between us, are really starting to remind me of the "debates" between the religious Pharisees, Sadducee's, Scribes and that young, upstart Yeshua. 
      Btw, note on that thread, that I had to correct you about writing "Vince", when you really meant me "Justin".  Your perception is slipping a bit, it seems. 
      So why don't we follow what Kathy earlier asked/advised and stated that you wanted, and what you earlier stated you desired?  Why don't you stay off my threads and I will stay off your threads?  Then truly can we all be one big happy dysfunctional family.   
       Do we have a deal?  Do you have the self discipline to follow through?  In any case, we have something in common...  We BOTH keep saying we're gonna leave the forum, but neither of us do!    We may be more alike than we realize!          
     But seriously, lighten up dude. You're WAY too serious of late.  Smile, joke, have some fun--this is not a fight to the death where we have to be all grimmed face and rattle our deadly sabers at each other. Grrrr    When a person get's too serious, usually there is a lack of heart attunement and openness going on.
     Personally, I just want to go grab a beer with you. You're an interesting guy, and though we have some definite differences of opinion and perception, we both love and focus on Yeshua and his teachings, we're both intense seekers of truth.  I think you would find, that at the end of the day, we probably have more in common than we do major differences. 
     Yes, I've been teasing you a bit, and pointing out some of your...let's shall we say illusions, but it's all in good natured ribbing and for a deeper purpose.

Don:

Some of what I said applies to you, some to Dude, and some to Roger.

Combined, over the years, you've written a lot of posts, and I'm not going to spend time trying to dig all of them up.

On more than one occasion you have said that you aren't impressed with the retrieval accounts people present at this forum. It could be that your criteria for assessing them might not be what is needed in order to determine their authenticity. You present your lucid dream experience as if it is proof that the spiritual experiences of other people aren't valid. If I remember correctly, in the past, you've made statements that seem to suggest that Robert Monroe might have been misled by some misleading being, when you spoke of the occasion when he met the Creator.

You obviously don't believe in the Disk viewpoint. So either you believe that people who receive information about Disks and have experiences with their Disks are either deceived by misleading beings or deluded in some way. Since Bruce has spoken of Disks extensively, whether you say so or not, you are implying that either he was misled or is deluded, because what other explanation is there for you speaking against the Disk viewpoint in the way that you do?

For myself, I wasn't overly quick to accept the Disk viewpoint despite my related experiences, the information I received, what sources that seem credible to me say,  and what makes sense to me and feels right, because I make a point of questioning the information before me in a very thorough way.

I came to this site because I like Bruce's books. I would recommend them to others. When I read about things such as his encounters with aliens I don't assume that he has been misled or delusional? How about you, what do you think?

Regarding being a fundamentalist, it's kind of strange that I referred to you in that way, because through the years I never thought of you as a fundamentalist. My guess is that there are some Christian fundamentalists that would be at odds with you. I used the term "fundamentalist" sort of like the term "New Age" is used. In some cases it isn't completely accurate to say "New Age." Nevertheless, for the sake of conversation, sometimes we use the term. I used the term "fundamentalist" with the same frame of mind.

I didn't want to say "Christian," because I don't have a problem with Jesus. What troubles me is when some people are so into "not" veering away from what the Bible says, that they find it necessary to make sweeping statements that seem to say that if somebody experiences something that isn't in accord with the Bible, such as the Disk viewpoint through something such as a lucid dream, then that something must be the result of delusion, or being misled by demons.

Most the information I obtained about Disks happened while I was fully conscious, not during a lucid dream. When it comes to the information I received from lucid dreams, despite what is so for you, I trust what I experienced. Going by how some of my lucid dreams have taken place, it seems quite clear that they are created by a consciousness beyond my own, perhaps by my Disk. They have always served the purpose of teaching me something. My retrieval experiences don't happen through lucid dreams.

To some degree I believe it is disrespectful for you or Dude to make statements that suggest that the spiritual experiences of other people aren't genuine, and in some cases free from dark outside influences. I believe it is okay for me to be unhappy about the two of you making such statements.

Consider Vicky. I've read her book, I've read some of her posts, she seems like wonderful person; add all together-- I don't know one hundred percent for certain since I am not her--but overall, I believe she had the experiences she wrote about. I  do not believe  she is deluded. I do not believe she was mislead by demonic beings. I believe that spirit beings that love her deeply have communicated and worked with her. Some of these beings are beings that she knew before she incarnated in this world and that she will know after she leaves this world. There is nothing wrong or unnatural about this, no matter how many demon-like beings exist. Love-based beings should determine who we can or cannot interact with, not demons!

I believe it is a shame when you, Dude and Roger try to scare people away from exploring the spirit world and making connections to their spirit friends, because it can be done in a way that is genuine and free of negative influence.

Vicky:

Regarding your post to me, I hope the above will do. Please let me know if it doesn't.

What is "glossolalia experiences?"

Recoverer 2 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 3:51pm:


Albert,

All is good between us, always has been, and I appreciate your above post.  Very nicely stated. Yesterday I was getting emails from just about everybody...except Don  .  And Bruce has informed me of his resolution, so I'm relieved to have that finally settled.

Thank you for your comments and compliments of my book and my experiences.  I know it wasn't the best-written book of all time but it's all true.  And I'm continuing to write...have two more books in the works that I'm still determined to put out there...and I hope they are better than the first. 

At any rate, I always love hearing someone stick up for me as far as the content of what I share.  I myself don't claim to even have all the answers about my own experiences.  In many ways I'm still discovering so much.  But one thing I know is true and one thing I can always count on is being a keen observer, being as open-minded and objective as I can, and telling the truth.  I have no reason to fool anybody let alone myself.  So, thanks for believing in me.

And on that note I'm sure Roger won't mind me saying this...he was a huge player in proofing my book.  He did an exceptional job and I learned a lot from him.  And you know what he told me afterward?  That he wasn't really sure he believes in everything I wrote about but that he does believe me, that he could tell I'm being honest and sincere in what I was sharing.  That was a wonderful compliment that I've never forgotten.  And it's really all I can hope for, because my goal really isn't to convince or prove anything to anyone.  But to have people believe me, believe that I'm an honest person, real and genuine, and true to myself, that's the best compliment I can hope for. 

Vicky:

The main thing I was unhappy about is that I don't believe it is nice when people try to belittle the experiences of others, partly with the motive of promoting their own agenda. Now that I said what I had in mind, I feel no need to go on with the subject.

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Jesus made it very clear that we should not pray to him but to the Father God in his (Jesus's name)