nm.  I'd be playing into the game.

Justin mentioned opening up to love.

Yes, the best way to grow and learn is to open up to love. Intellectual activity and observing things won't don't as much as finding out at heart level.

This morning as I meditated I felt at heart level that the more I connect to my spirit self/higher self,  the more I connect to a level of being where I am not isolated from others.

No matter how much matrix-like manipulators exist, they can't stop us from tuning into love, higher levels of being, and all who abide there.

@justin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhhJqJV_u6M#t=89.836942

And in this light no great surprise when we first engage in serious communication with our body, our body's response is: [coarse language]. Do you like to be called an ignorant, stupid animal?

Play a game? On a scale of 1-10 where 10 is the least and 1 is the most: how much is our heart committed to total embodiment here and now? How much is our mind committed to total embodiment here and now?

Morrighan

You are correct, the body has great wisdom, especially if we allow the mind to listen to it. I wonder how long it could maintain itself if we did not constantly poison it physically, emotionally and mentally. According to the Bible, the earliest humans lived to almost one thousand years old. Perhaps this was due to the purity of the foods they consumed, the lack of pollution and perhaps genetic purity, as they didn't have garbage DNA being passed down from centuries upon centuries of damage built up in genetic memory from harmful habits. I think it's easy to downplay the unfathomably complex nature of the body. Truly an amazing thing.

   As the body is focused on self preservation, like any animal, of course it's interested in it's own healing.

  Saying the body has great wisdom, is kind of like saying our cat friend has great wisdom. Hint, she doesn't. She is driven primarily by instincts, self preservation, and material appetites and conditioning.

   However, just because she doesn't have great wisdom, doesn't mean that I can't respect and love her. I do, and enjoy exchanging affection with her. This isn't the best comparison since there is Soul within Jasmine, and it's not just her body that I love, but more her Soul (and her Soul is more mature than most other cat's I've known and met). 

  I'm not saying there isn't benefit to grounding.  While we are here and directly connected to the body, we are part of the physical Earth, and it's important to ground both our bodies and if we are contacting expanded/fast vibratory nonphysical energies, then it's important to share that with the physical Earth.   

  That interchange/sharing of energy helps both, a mutual service. The physical Earth needs our Soul and Spirit energies, and we (our bodies) need her helpful, balancing, grounding affect since we are working through a body, which is connected to her.   

  But at the same time, it's limiting to put the body on any kind of pedestal. All in all, it's a vehicle, a shell, a complex construct, and one that is innately limiting in tendency and affect. 

  This is why it's very common to read in NDE accounts, that so many people who die, are greatly relieved and very happy to be fully separated from the body--not necessarily because of physical pain or the like, but because of the heaviness, distortion, and limitation of same. 


    Vince, you say you're now interested in Biblical teachings?  The NT speaks some on the differences between the body and the Soul and Spirit.

  Perhaps a big clue to the nature of the body vs that of Spirit, are some readings that Edgar Cayce's guidance gave.  In talking about Yeshua overcoming the world and flesh, they note that when he was on the cross, he cried out "My Father,  my Father, why have you forsaken me!?" 

  This source indicated that this wasn't Yeshua--his inner consciousness, but rather the last of the body consciousness rebelling. The body was in pain and full of terror.  It did not want Yeshua to sacrifice it. Even to the very end, it rebelled against his spiritual consciousness. This "battle" was particularly intense while he was in the garden and he was praying that this bitter cup be taken from him. 

  The NT records that this stress/strain was so great, that he started to "sweat" quantities of blood. He and his body was fully aware of the kind of pain and suffering he would go through shortly.  The body influenced towards that of not wanting to go through with it. But Yeshua's Spirit self, over came the influence of the body in the moment he said and meant, "But not my will be done, but the will of the Father be done".

   Even in Yeshua, we can note a difference pre and post Resurrection.  Post Resurrection, Yeshua was no longer connected to a dense, animal body, born of a human.  He had co-created a new/free form that could be in the world, but no longer was of it. The form was based on his physical body, but the substance, or rather essence, was that of pure Spirit.

   This Yeshua no longer experiences the limitations and pangs of the animal body.  He completely transcends the physical, and has complete control over same.  He had unusual some control over it prior, but it's much greater post resurrection.

I had an interesting experience somewhat recently. I have been wondering off and on, whether or not complete enlightenment was possible while connected to a human body. I had begun to think that it wasn't, but I wasn't sure.  A friend of mine, whom I hadn't talked to in a while, messaged me out of the blue, and he wrote this,

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  It seemed that his guidance, or my guidance through him, was confirming my increasing intuition that full enlightenment was not possible while connected to a human body. In electrical terms, the body probably can't handle the degree of voltage nor amps that the Spirit puts out. 

  If a person was getting close to full enlightenment while connected to a human body, the body would probably die. Depending on the need, then the individual could either re-create a form from thought and Spirit consciousness, or choose to act as "invisible" guidance as most guidance does most often. 

Morrighan wrote on Mar 13^th, 2017 at 7:35pm:


   As I said, it wasn't the best comparison, because animals, like the human animal, have both a physical and nonphysical component.  Animals are imbued with individual Souls, which like humans, are at different stages of growth/awareness.  Human connected Souls can range from the very slow vibratory/psychopathic (very immature), all the way up to near full conscious Source attunement (extremely mature/zenith).   
 
   So it wasn't the best comparison. 

As regards the comment towards this self--it's an interesting take considering you don't know well, either the physical, personality me nor the nonphysical me. 

  With such a lack of information/knowns, I wonder how you can come to such a conclusion? 

  Also, can you explain better the wisdom of the body and of animals in a holistic, logical way?  Like give various concrete examples and relate it to a larger philosophy that is internally consistent?

    I would suggest to you, intuitively based, that this might help.  When you meditate and seek guidance, ask specifically to connect, attune to, and communicate with only the most expanded, loving, aware, helpful, and spiritually evolved sources. Ask these for direction, help, guidance, and shielding from hindering forces. And really mean it on both counts.   

I've spent most of my life seeking to better understand the holism of the mind, body, spirit connection particularly in terms of health.  While our souls are connected to a body, it is very much an integrated whole system, however, that doesn't mean that there aren't fundamental differences between soul and body, for there are.

In Yeshua's case, he had the ability to have disconnected from the body to the degree that he wouldn't have felt pain, nor the body's terror, but as this was partly karmic and him meeting self as Joshua of the OT, he decided it was best to fully experience all the difficult parts of it, just as the one(s) Joshua had hung up in a tree to die did.

It was really less his "mind" and more his body's influence.  He had a mind like no other, and yet, at the time he was still connected to a dense, fearful, animal body.

Just think about humanity and it's long history.  Why has it been so limited, strife and suffering filled?  Contrast that with the nature of most of our souls and the majority of the nonphysical.  The latter is much more harmonious and fast vibratory.  So what's the main variable involved?  The influence of the human body animal which is somewhat a being unto itself.  Granted, the Reptilians and the psychopathic souls that have incarnated into human form have caused a certain amount of damage/problems as well, but even without these the nature of physical to nonphysical would still be somewhat like that of oil and water in that they don't mix well innately.

This has a lot to do with the origins of the physical and our original interaction with same.  It's like the physical is the shadow part of Soul, which got refracted/split off.  It's the collective negativity of Soul densified and projected out into its own, temporary, reality.

It is the shadow resulting from something (will) blocking the Light (Spirit).  It didn't always exist and someday it won't.  Spirit on the other hand, always existed and always will. 

We are here to retrieve these lost, stuck parts of us, of Soul.  We do this primarily by infusing the physical with Love.  By doing that, we raise its vibrations closer back to Soul.  However, it is both a very individual and also very collective effort.  What we call physical has a more set nature and doesn't change as quickly as mind/soul. 

  This is why it's so hard, even for a Soul who has come here from a very expanded dimension, or even from the core of Source Consciousness, to fully overcome the limited, stuck nature of the human body while directly connected to same.  How many He/She's are out there walking along us?

Bigger picture truth is and has to be holistically logical and internally consistent.  It has to address all levels and aspects.