I need to clarify something. I don't mean to imply that Paul is a bad guy. Perhaps he is a nice man. But sometimes nice people get duped by the beings they channel.

recoverer wrote on Nov 12^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

The points Recoverer makes are why I replied as I did to Focus27's thread about hearing his name spoken in his head when falling asleep. (first reply/second post) Our own reason and judgment is what we answer for. Paul Selig and other channelers may be true and right but still we each answer for ourselves so we must always think, judge and decide for ourselves. Listen to them if we choose to, but always maintain our own judgment and our own leadership of our self. When it comes to accounting for ourselves, no spirit guide or channeller will step up and take responsibility for us. We all account for ourselves - not always in the symbolic way it has been depicted to help people grasp the idea - but we do account, to and for and of our self, and before God, to the extent that we and God can come together.

Even a divine message that is good, true and right, and whether it comes through a channeller or through or to our self, must by necessity come down through the individual's own soul and personality as that soul and personality is currently developed with all its limitations and idiosyncrasies. This in itself must effect and limit the message. 

And a few related thoughts and observations I thought to share:

Emotions can make awful decisions. And usually feel right when they are making them. Our prisons are full of people who have followed their emotions. "If it feels right it probably is", is not a reliable guideline for decision making.    

Even virtues (under human freewilled management) get it wrong. Misguided virtues make the worst of human errors. Something can feel right but be so very wrong. Even love can error, in fact when virtues error, they cause more harm than evil can. Think of adulterous affairs of the heart where mismanaged love that seems so good and right causes sufferings for families and ruins the higher plans of people's lives. Think of the love that some historical dictators have had for their country, people and race, a love that in itself is pure and good but in its being confined to its own people has turned to war against neighbouring people and soon brought suffering back to the people it loved so much. Even love can feel right and do wrong.   

So who and what can we trust? Love? Virtues? Channellers? Anyone? Our self?

All humans, all freewill, all material structure, is fallible. The only reliability is God.

Only wisdom gets things right - love and intelligence combined - and which by definition is right decision. And wisdom is a tenuous thing. Precarious too. Delicate. Must be always watch. It is not ours, but we might share it with God, to the extent we are able.

Hi OutOfBodyDude. Thats a good point about noting the beneficial impact of the source on people's lives. (I assume by impact you mean influence) Clearly the worth of a soul, of a life, of a message, of a teaching, is the extent of the beneficial influence it has upon the lives of others.

By the way, did you know that Jesus taught the Word? The Gospels contain many teachings on it, for those who can read, or who "have ears" as JC would say.   

From the New Testament:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Quotes like these may be misunderstood; Jesus may have been speaking of the notion that to become love-realized, in order to enter heaven, then one follows the path of love, which is what he described (so you would have to follow the consciousness that he describes to return to the father - even if you were not a christian).

Yet throughout the centuries, this quote invoked fear, not love, into the hearts of many, for it implied that if you didn't believe in Jesus - didn't behave as the church instructed -  that you would never get to heaven. 

I haven't gone through Paul's web-videos yet, but I have been loathe to follow, in general, channelings of so-called higher beings.  I have seen through most of the well known sources (Seth, Elias), and while interested in the philosophy, I was ultimately not impressed. 

Mostly, because I believe some of the most loving, kind souls I have encountered are present in the physical world, scattered here and there, and I, like Bruce, believe that self-exploration and realization is the key toward personal spiritual progress. 

Anyone's system may be worth exploring, as long as you can integrate the knowledge and approach into your own meditations, without relying only on what the source says is the "right" way to do things.

If my meditations are correct and what I consider to be a gradual deeper understanding of life holds true, then love is the foundation of our being, and gives us all of our abilities.  I should not need a channeled portal to explore this - I may understand it, if I am open to examining my life, tracing the cause and effect path of karma, and experimenting with the change that I desire to follow a path of love. 

That being said, if I find a source which is transformative, I, like OOB Dude would attempt to share it with the group.  I doubt that dude is saying that he is a blind follower of a guru - only that he found a resonance and a utility in the message he heard.


Matthew

Dude,

"I did not mean to downplay Recoverer as an individual, but I wanted to stress his relationship to the source of the channelled material.  Of course, he is a guy, or so I am led to believe, he is on an afterlife forum, and in this case his focus is on perceived negative aspects of the material presented.  Although I did not say "some guy," but throwing the word "some" in there did cleverly give the illusion of better illustrating the point that was trying to be made."

Nay, still think some illustrated the point pretty well. Just naying. You know what the captain of said before the ship sunk? Win some, lose some, and steering the boat when it's sunk gets you nowhere rather than somewhere.

"As for Paul being my Master, I could never substitute Volu for another All Knowing Divine Being to worship!"

Dude, where's your sense of You? I don't want your power, but there are as many who wants this as there are churches littered around the globe. So, some needs to have someone to hand their power over to as some kind of meaningful way to learn. Not a someone to be friends with but someone's Saviour, and several preferences have been somewhat mentioned in the thread.

Volu

I feel I am actually pretty well tapped into my own inner power, and the more I learn to live in divine grace, the more I yearn to help others do the same.  So I teach the ones close to me from the example I leave from my daily life, and do my best to spread resources which may help others to gain the knowledge and inspiration to live Christ-like, such as referring people to sources such as Paul, and making DVDs with meditation hemi sync and other self help programs and gifting them to all who are interested in exploring themselves and reality more deeply but haven't had the knowledge or inspiration to do so.  This is me expressing my power.  And just wait until you see what my power is in the midst of creating for the world!    

If you believe I have handed over my power to Paul or any other source for that matter, then you are mistaken my friend.  I have given his words the power to impact me for the better(which is really just a projection of my own power anyway), while fully retaining my own personal power, which in turn has allowed my power to grow and evolve. 

If you are at a level of consciousness in which you have stopped receiving benefit from anything or anyone that appears to be outside of yourself, then perhaps your purpose here is complete.  Mine is not, however, as I am still learning and growing, so forgive me if I may occasionally use an outside source to gain inspiration and insight!  Of course, it is these outside sources which have allowed me to find my own inner source of power and inspiration, as is generally the case here in this world of illusory separation, so I think you are confusing my ability to benefit from a source with surrendering my power to a source, as my power continues to grow as I soak up all that is beneficial for my spiritual growth.

Yes indeed, there is no need to be forgiven.