DocM wrote on Jan 14^th, 2013 at 10:03am:


Sure Pal!, You're a compete groupie and clone(idiot!)of Imagination Bruce and this site. I've been a poster and lurker of this site since 1999. Now we are back to all those pathetic debates, resurrected  from the late 1990's and 2000's till now...

I was so wishing to be elevated to the 4th or 5th physical dimension as promised by many New Age Seers that lurk and post on this forum...Pity it was all bullshit ! DocM, You're just like the rest when it  comes to truth!

So now, again, we have those 'resurrected' posters and posts', complied by DonM and others, who seek to convince us to believe in the scripture's, as outlined in the New Age and/or Christian Bible. 



       

   

I have bought and often used TMI's Gateway DVDs, with no OBE success.  But they have at times made me a much better chess player than usual, and so, they can serve as wonderful tools for relaxation and increased focus.   A few years ago, I enrolled in TMI's Gateway program, but was closed out; so I substituted a vacation to London and Paris instead. 
I often think about re-registering, but I am ambivalent becsuse of the cult-like atmosphere that lurks in the background, despte TMI's claims to be ideologically neutral. 

For example, consider neurosurgeon, Dr. Eben Alexander, of recent NDE book fame who heads up TMI's research programs.  I find it disturbing how he seems to uncritically embrace RAM's OBE claims as Truth, especially his reincarnational claims, which I find intuitively absurd.  All of his alleged past lives seem as sensationalistically cartoony as his  past life in another world, in which he flies around in a small machine, dodging spears thrown up at him by primitive natives.  Also, Alexander seems to uncritically embrace the U of Virginia research by Dr. Ian Stevenson's successors on reincarnation, when in fact 2 of Dr. Stevenson's past life subjects were born prior to the deaths of their alleged prior personalities!  Swedenborg's [= ES] critique of astral past life recall strikes me as more credibie due to (1) the fact that he does something that New Age OBErs seldom do--change his mind through further astral exploration to challenge prior astral insights; (2) the plausibility of ES's later realization that the illusion of astral past life recall is created by the unconscious merger of the explorer's mind with the mind of an intruding spirit, whose memories blend in with the explorer's; (3) the fact that, desptie ES's limitations, his verifications seem to be more consistent and on a higher level than those of modern adepts.  I would hope that TMI would gladly embrace ES's own research as a foil against which their own research can be tested and challenged.  TMI strikes me as having (dare I say it) too much of a Ghetto mentality, despite their protestations that they are ideologically neutral.
But I may take their Gateway program there anyway!

Don 

Berserk2 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Most (all?) of us may have parallel incarnations. Reincarnation doesn't
work in the Hindu/Buddhist way. A few of us may reincarnate in total,
but many of us are composed of _parts_ of previous incarnations.
Monroe explains that in his last book.

The upcoming PE-Queries9 will ask such questions on concurrent parallel lives.

You're welcome. :)

Also, Alexander seems to uncritically embrace the U of Virginia research by Dr. Ian Stevenson's successors on reincarnation, when in fact 2 of Dr. Stevenson's past life subjects were born prior to the deaths of their alleged prior personalities!

Most (all?) of us may have parallel incarnations. Reincarnation doesn't work in the Hindu/Buddhist way. A few of us may reincarnate in total,
but many of us are composed of _parts_ of previous incarnations.  Monroe explains that in his last book.

Yes, I know; I've read all 3 of RAM's books, and what he claims about his own past life recall is in my view self-refuting--cartoony absurdities like his memories of fliying a machine, while dodging spears thrown by primitive aliens on another planet.  Please reread his 3 past life claims and make the case that they are plausible. 

Besides, you dogmatize without addressing Swedenborg's refutation of OBE past life recall.  He initially thought this represented past life memories.  Then his guides demonstrated to his satisfaction that these memories were illusory, created by unconscious spirit mergers whose presence was unknown to him. In other words, when the astral memories are genuine, they are the memories of the intruding spirit, not of the astral explorer.  Even apart from this,the case against reincarnation is very strong.  Do you want a more detailed account of it? 

Don

[Carl to Rondele:] This whole forum/website is based on Bruce Moens "imagination" method of contacting the dead and travels into the afterlife. There is Zero verification of this method of  afterlife exploration. And this includes you!

First, Carl, Rondele is a skeptic whom you treat like a boingy-eyed believer!  Secondly, if you read Bruce Moen's books, you would know that he was initially very skeptical until his method achieved a few impressive verifications.  The question for discussion is this: how consistently reliable is the method of Focused Imagination and other Phasing Methods like the TMI Gateway program? And if you read posts from those who have taken Bruce's workshops, you would realize that his methods generate signigficant paranormal insights.  Bruce is a very bright researcher and our challenges of programs like partnered exploration in no way suggests that he lacks an interesting and meaningful case for what he does.

[Carl to Rondele:] Get Real and Get Honest Girl!

Duh!  Rondele is NOT a girl. I've actually met her--I mean, him!   

Carl, Berserk and Rondele are having a little disagreement, aren't they? Boingy-eyed believers? Hmmmn, that's an interesting picture.

This site has attracted a lot of very different posters over the years, coming and going like little butterflies at a picnic. I suppose the proof is in the pudding. If I could only find that pudding....I know it's around here somewhere....

Wouldn't it be interesting if Berserk participated in the PE? Since he has had so many paranormal experiences and is so experienced in communing with God and all that, it seems like he just might have a breakthrough....I sure wouldn't want to miss that!

recoverer,
Your question begs the question in this sense: the concept of parallel incarnations is based on alleged past life recall, which seems better interpreted as mind merger or possession by discarnate spirits.  How this mind merger works was demonstrated by ES's guides, so that he could correct his aarlier reincarnational interpretation.  Or do you want to say that ES's guides were deceiving him in this matter? 
Secondly, the concept of parallel incarnations is a belief rooted in an ambiguous sense of astral timeless realms.  It must first be demonstrated that the illusion of past and future is cognitively meaningful.  ES's explorations  establishe not timeless realms, but a different experience of time that is relative to how similar the core desires of separate beings are.

Don