Hi, I am new to this so forgive me if this or a very similar topic has already been posted.
My question-

If we live many physical lives through reincarnation and as I read in the Q&A here we don’t lose our personal identity after death then that would imply that each physical life I have lived must maintain its own separate afterlife otherwise there is nothing “personal” per say about my afterlife identity at all if I were to have full knowledge and be influenced by all of those other lives. It would be a collective identity by definition. So can anyone explain how one would maintain the personality and identity of the life they just lived when there are hundreds and possibly thousands of personal identities from previous lives that we in fact MUST lose if we are to maintain the personal identity of the life we just lived on Earth.
It would seem from what I've read here that we do in fact lose our personal identity with each reincarnation and subsequent death unless as I said earlier each life we live maintains its own separate afterlife.
For example, Bruce says “he” was once a young girl in Central America. When he dies from his present life what will his personal afterlife identity be? That of who he was in his most previous life or that of the girl. IF it is of his most previous life than what has become of the personal identity of the girl. It seems her identity is old news and is just a memory now more than a living active personal identity. IF it is the identity of the girl then he has in fact lost the personal identity of the life he just lived and it has taken a back seat to the identity of the girl.

Another troubling question I have concerns the idea that we might be met by say a mother or father who previously died who may help us along in our afterlife. If I have lived a thousand lives then I could potentially have thousands upon thousands of mothers and fathers and sisters and grandmas etc. SO when I die which of the thousands of different mothers and fathers I have had will come to meet me. It seems I could find myself in a very crowded place with the hundreds of thousands of relatives from all my lives who may want to greet me and say “welcome back” upon my death.  

This is a lot to wrap my head around but extremely interesting to say the least.

Greetings,

I'd like to mention more about Augo's 'same old sister from 2500BC' concept. 

  Bruce Moen, our host here, explains that same idea as a 'family' grouping, the numbers of which vary by various authors, but let's say one hundred to two-hundred souls. The soul who's your sister this lifetime may have been a neighbor or cousin previously. Some astrologists can plot out in zones along Earth's meridians where most of your 'family' is during this incarnation.

You grow from lessons learned during each incarnation. It's still you but your lives are set up to bring you closer to God through more loving, more knowledge, more courage, whatever. You are not who you were in grade one.

You'll get other viewpoints on this soon.  I hope you enjoy your visit here. Try reading Bruce's essays too that are listed at the very top of the page.

Bets

In one of his books Bruce Moen speaks of how he retrieved a past self that went by the name of Joshua. Joshua got killed by a spear in his liver area. Bruce had a liver disease in the same area. After Bruce retrieved Joshua and Joshua got healed at the healing center, Bruce's liver disease went away.

Since Joshua was healed, it is quite obvious that when/if he reincarnated again, his liver ailment wouldn't be carried over. Yet it was. This leads me to believe that Joshua was a former self of Bruce in a disc/oversoul/higher self sense, not in the sense that Joshua's existence came to an end once Bruce incarnated. For some reason Bruce experienced the effects of Joshua's injury even though Joshua had yet to return to his disc.  When I read about this experience my spirit guidance was communicating to me in a way that is hard to describe. Whatever the case, I get the feeling that perhaps Bruce ended up with Joshua's injury, so some people might consider as I considered above. I've found that Messages come in different ways.

If you think of occasions when a hypnotherapist finds a hypnosis subject that has an injury that is the result of a prior life, wouldn't the injury of a past life be taken care of before another incarnation takes place?

When Robert Monroe meets his I-there/disc/soul group he asked for how long this has been going on. He was told for a very long time. He said that I don't remember. He was told that he wouldn't because he didn't exist.  When his I-there was ready to incarnate again, the necessary ingredients were mixed together and his life was created (from his third book "Ultimate Journey" not the exact words).

Bruce suggests the same when he speaks about how a disc creates probes (selves) according to need.

Ron Kruger found the same during his near death experience. Below is the relevant section.

"Directly in front of me, but slightly below, stood a group of spirits: less than 100, but more than 50. Each spirit had an identity of sorts, but they were part of each other–a single entity, a single awareness, all part of a single force. In the center of the front row were three oriental women. I realized that all of the spirits comprising the entity were my past lives, and that the oriental women were my most recent lives.

Their faces were clearly humanoid, but from their shoulders down, their forms blurred gradually. Their arms and legs dissolved near their ends. Hovering on the same level, in rows, they seemed loosely joined at the shoulders. Their identities were of both sexes and all nationalities. None were deceased relatives, and I recognized none of them from my recent life.

Each of the spirits had lived once, but the truth and experience and wisdom of each lifetime was integral to the entire group. When each soul returned, their lives were absorbed by all, so there where no distinctions between thoughts and attitudes within the group. Each of them shared completely every experience and every knowledge of every lifetime into a single conscience. Like spices and other ingredients added to a Mulligan Stew, each added to the mix, but the resulting flavor was one. I was them, and they were me. There were all of my past, and they were my present."

It comes from the below site. Search for "Ron K" alphabetically of the attached list. Individual experience pages don't post correctly so I provided the list.

http://www.nderf.org/site_index.htm

If I've interpreted things correctly, my spirit guidance has told me more than once that reincarnation doesn't exist in the way people commonly believe. Three other people who visit this site occasionally (one more often than the other) have received the same message from their spirit guidance.

Even Michael Newton's books suggest the same without his realizing it. For example, he speaks of a soul having two to three incarnations at the same time. What happens when each self returns? Are they told that their personality is going to be extinguished according to what their soul considers appropriate? Or will each self be considered a worthwhile existence in its own right, and be allowed the right to continue its existence as an individual soul?

Hopefully the standard viewpoint of reincarnation isn't true, that way a particular self doesn't have to go through numerous physcial incarnations which can be quite difficult at times. Not just difficult, but dangerous, because eventually a self might end up living a life that gets it stuck living in a hell like realm for a while or even indefinitely. Would souls be willing to take such a risk over and over again, if it isn't necessary? I say not necessary, because even sources which give the soul group viewpoint state that soul group members learn from each other. If this is the case, it might not be necessary to incarnate over and over again.  Especially since there are many ways to learn in the spirit World that don't exist in the physical World. Plus if you consider that there are a lot of spirit beings who evolve quite fine without ever incarnating physically, the need for numerous physical life times is squashed.

Perhaps there are some exceptions. For example, Bruce wrote of spirits who got stuck in hell like realms for a while, and after being retrieved had the choice of either improving themselves in the world of Spirit, or in the physical World. Bruce described the physical World incarnation option as a risk, because a self stood the chance of living another bad life and ending up in a hell like realm again after it dies.

Rosalind Mcknight's book Cosmic Journeys, which uses the soul group model, states that selves don't incarnate in the physical World numerous times. It isn't necessary.

In some ways the soul group viewpoint and the disc viewpoint seem to contradict each other. Perhaps both viewpoints are true. Perhaps discs combine with other discs to form soul groups.   I had a dream which was representative of my disc,  and it was occupied by numerous souls from other discs. I got the impression that discs interact with each other a lot.


 

Recoverer.

Your views on reincarnation are totally in sync with my own.  Thank you for bringing up these ideas, they convince me all the more that my thoughts on how reincarnation actually works are true.  Since I have no personal experience to back up my thinking on this subject, it is always helpful to hear others who support my ideas.

That's lovely, Caryn. 

To emphasise its poetry, I took the opportunity of changeing the spacing. Hope you don't mind.

Endlessly we search for ourselves,
we seek for the true wedding
of our spirit with our soul.
It is not a group, it is not a disc,
it is not a planet,  it is not a zodiac sign,
it is not one big happy family.
It is just you and me
weaving a celestial dance
in and out. 
You come down, I go up. 
I come down, you go up.
How long do we seek
for one another – how long
do we stay in the realms of matter
until we join and become whole again
and not need this matter, above and below,
to matter
and we can fly as free as the wind a go wherever we want?

Caryn's lament.
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Interpreting it one way, you and your soul partner have been separated to enrich your experiences so that when you come together again, you will have more wisdom and loving to draw from. You won't regret these interludes apart, when the energies of yearning are met with the one yearned for.

Love, Bets

You're welcome dude.


Rob:

I tried to figure this issue out from the no time perspective, and haven't been able to come up with anything conclusive.

Hi ryuuko welcome.

Thanks Bets – yes the ultimate joining with my spirit partner.  If I may be pompous and give more arcane interpretation to my poem although it is a lament.

The true wedding is the Alchemic Wedding of our Spirit and Soul and here we can see many analogies.

The above outline of the human body I wrote out above shows the Spiritual Soul also called the Intellectual Soul as been separate from the other spiritual parts of the human body.

It is next to the Ego but as yet not joined.

The Spiritual Soul is the Soul – this is the women.
The Ego is the Spirit – this is the man.

We may think the Spiritual Soul or the Intellectual Soul is male however if we read Jung’s Amasia Uxor:

The Spiritual Soul is the Animus : the soul of a women, which is supposedly masculine and which concentrates in itself everything (historical and not historical) it experiences in relation to man.

The Ego is the Anima :  the soul of a man, which is supposedly feminine ie the Archetype of everything feminine experienced historically (and not historically) by a man.

In this way; love becomes a deep, numinous experience, with one’s own soul, with the Archetypes of the opposite within oneself.


It is my view the Alchemic Wedding is the joining of the Spiritual Soul with the Ego to become complete and therefore not need the cycle of reincarnation which develops the Spiritual Soul to attain the Alchemic Wedding with the Ego.

It is likened to;

The ultimate joining with Christ; the Bride and the Bridegroom.
The Sun (male) and the Moon (female) making love in the sky.

And with these great, symbolic analogies the ultimate joining of one’s Soul or Spirit Partner.

St. Valentine must be in the Air with this Love talk.

Sigh and lament!

Hi Michael,

You can also check through the book forum topics on this site for further discussions of 'bilocation' or split selves.  Bruce gets into this in his books quite a bit. What you just reported makes it seem quite natural.


Bets