Hi ,i think spitfire has been treated really unfairly ,just because he speaks what he feels is right  hes in the wrong ,spitfire is a very genuine person i for one liked him very much ,what happened to freedom of speech ,i suppose this will be sent to off topics deanna

If guidance hadn't told me I'm actually helping some people who post or lurk here, I'd quit. I think some people should have already figured out that the energy on this board is different from Linn's, and that different people are drawn here for different reasons, but ultimately the same one - to learn and experience PUL, even if the journey is a little rougher here. If certain people don't like that, there's always Linn's board. 

If this board was like Linn's, it would be redundant and no one would need it.

Patience and kindness - I guess we only have so much. When that runs out, we must ban the heretic. So much for PUL.

People are drawn her for a reason. Certain people especially. And that isn't because they belong on Linn's board.

Rob

I modified my post. If you're still confused, please feel free to say so again.

Rob

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Linn is Linn Conyers, this all started because her services where recomended to someone seeking a medium. Spitfire has had a bad experience with her and very fairly said so. Whether you agree or not with the removal of the thread I personally feel the comments from spitfire which kicked off the decline of the thread were uncalled for, they were nasty and quite hateful.

In my view the removal of the thread was too late to be of use since the thread had started to take an upturn (unless I missed something between the removal and my last view). This has been even further worsened by the moving of spitfires 'goodbye' thread to the off-topic section. But be fair people in this section of the forum it is off-topic, as is this thread lol.

Hi Deanna i totally agree ,spitfire has been treated unfairly,its nice to get his veiws on here .i cant see were hes done anything wrong . hes just honest and stands up for what he thinks about things and theres nothing wrong with that.love and god bless juditha

Again, Senote if you read my thread on the deletion of his post, the thread, and the moving of my thread, you can see that the sense of injustice comes about from the unilateral acts by a moderator without a public warning, or explanation afterward when many people, myself included are unhappy. 

I find the silence on the other end, the deletion of an entire thread (with other thoughtful posts separate from the contentious one), the moving of my thread to the off topic forum, all without comment, all without justification to have caused more ill feelings in the name of preventing offensive comments from surfacing. 

You can be angry in a response; you simply should not be threatening, menacing or denigrating.  If you filter out all spontaneous comments, you are left with less "venom," but also less creativity.

Don and Craig had it out once.  They produced one of the most read threads on the forum.  Why?  There were a few insults and barbs thrown around at first.  But cajun cooking burns the tongue and still tastes good!

I still look to Bruce or the moderator to own up to what happened, to respond to the many on the forum still upset by this, to try to post openly and publically when making a move and to make amends.

Matthew

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Okay so the removal of the original thread was handled badly, personally I would have removed those original posts of spitfires and left it. As for the other threads I really don't think anyone here needs an explenation as to why clearly off-topic posts were moved to the off-topic forum.

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There were more than one contentious posts in the thread, spitfire posted several times his rather nasty opinion. And the only reason this has degenerated to this state is because spitfire then decided to post his 'goodbye' an act which in 10yrs online I have generally found to be one used to draw attention to oneself rather than as a geniune goodbye. Sorry spitfire thats just experience talking

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Sorry but I must have been mistaken, I didn't think this forum and others like it were the place for venom and spite, creative or not. What was said could easily have been said in a manner less offensive and nasty.

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I probably would have read it too, which reflects poorly on me. But this forum is not the place for it, or rather any forum except the off-topic forum is not the place for it.

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Allan has posted his explenation, but I really don't see that either him or Bruce have anything to make amends for except doing there job.

Spitfire come back your stronger than that love deanna

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Half the time people do intend to leave, the biggest mistake they make is sticking round to see whats said, but i've seen worse. i've seen people fake their own death online.

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My comment was more concerning the comments place on the forum not the comments themselves or the incidents surrounding them.

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People do argue, I see it all the time, most of the time its stupid, petty and plain boring, which is why I prefer debate and to stick more to the middle rather than one side or another. Personally I prefer debate to argument, argument is pointless since it always ends up going round and round in circles.

TBH I think what I would have preferred to see from the original post would have been a more constructive and useful assesment of Linn's medium abilities rather than the verbal assasination, given the topic of the post it would have been more useful to the original poster as well.

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I feel i owe it to those, who i respect to reply to them, it's the only reason im sticking around on these last few threads and not departing now.

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I did state useful facts in my post, such things as - the type of bunce i got was 'are you having problems with a female member of the family' etc.

oh, yeah..how one we are and how glorious it feels.
i personally decided i definitely prefer the venom of a snake to the venom of a flower and i think it is worse to present people venomous flowers than to sleep with snakes..i really can be with chumley and fight all day if necessary than to be in the mercy of....some.

Rob,

That is a good point, but I fear you are wasting your breath.  Allan has already stated earlier that since this is a private commercial site, the participants, even such as you and I who contribute actively to the threads and try to help others on the board are "owed nothing," by the moderators or Bruce.

Although we consider this a community, statements like the above, though legally true, serve us notice about the nature of things here.  I see myself as being quite capable of moderating in an unbiased way.  I know that I would publically chime in on the thread, ask that offensive comments be removed, fire a warning shot as it were, and let all see it as it came.  If my input out in the open were ignored, then I would make my cuts, and put up a post explaining briefly what happened.  That is me.  I also would be the first to admit if my judgement were incorrect.

I don't think that we will have much of an impact on this issue with Allan.  I would like to find a similar website to explore consciousness and the afterlife on, though I would miss some of the participants here. 

For now, things continue on, and Ryanparis' thread denigrating women has been left, untouched, in this off topic forum, while Spitfire's "goodbye chaps," thread was deleted by Allan.  Go figure.


Matthew

Hi Rob Roy AND DocM Iagree with everything you have both written Love and god bless juditha

Or check out the forums i just created.
http://s3.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=spitfirev2

Hi All,

I have to disagree. Not with the comments, but with the reaction, perhaps fuelled further by Allen's self-justifying comments.

There does seem to be a little hypocrisy evident. If a post denigrating women is allowed, but one that retorts a critical overview of a person's mediumistic calibre is denied public access by an act of censure, one may feel vindicated in crying 'foul'.

What makes a good forum is 'moderation' by a 'moderator'. That is, a person is charged with the responsibility of applying a consistent balance of judgement and fairness, but above all, a wisdom that perceives the effects of their judgement before the judgement is made. A moderator's decision does not affect whom they moderate against, alone, it affects all members.
It is impossible for a moderator, by the very nature of their responsibility, to single out a individual for exceptional attention. When they advise a individual for some transgression, we all take note as if we ourselves, were that individual. The advice (or warning) pertains to everyone at the same time; and by that knowledge, each member (the moderator hopes) regulates themself to act in accordance to the terms and conditions at the 'sign-up'.

However, going off the 'tyrranny of the majority's' comments appearing on this thread, it does seem that the moderator in question has acted unfairly, even though they thought they were acting within the terms of his/her remit. He /she has failed in consistency. Therein lies the imbalance. The application of censure stands out as 'exceptional', and is a grave error of judgement. This is not to suggest that Spitfire was treated exceptionally, but that the moderator has acted exceptionally; and that is beyond the terms of their remit. What is the way forward?

Compromise! The parties involved all played their part. Acknowledgement of this helps the 'hand of friendship' to bridge the gap of indignance and pride. To err is to be human. To forgive, is to be really humane. Not simply towards others, but more importantly, to oneself.

Regards All

Ah! I see now why the topic on 'women's rights' has not been touched:

1) it is entirely tongue-in-cheek.

2) To treat it censoriously would be to treat it seriously.

3) the moderators actually agree with the comments of the author of the 1st post

What a pickle! Who'd be a moderator?

Regards

I agree, Elysium, however there has been no further communication with either Bruce or the moderator to reach a peace about what happened, and thus feelings are still hurt.  What is sought, is not to restore Craig's angry comments.  What does makes sense is peace, compromise and consistency.  Spitfire's "Goodbye Chaps" thread did not violate the terms of good taste or the forum, and certainly is less offensive than RyanParis' anti-woman thread which can still be found on the off topic forum. 

Peace and compromise do not, in any way invalidate a moderator's job.  Failure to acknowledge what a substantial number of posters are feeling and saying after the deletion of Craig's thread, however, while perfectly legal is unsettling to those of us who see AKF as a community. 

Matthew

That is not true, Senote.  I have had emails from others who have not posted supporting our discussion here.  The number is significant, and at least on our end it is a discussion.  It is true, if the moderators don't care to continue the conversation it will die down.  And a number of us will leave as well. 

We have had many discussions on the board about pure unconditional love, expressing love, and the like.   This is not about one side being "right" or another being wrong.  It is about a number of people (a significant number), who feel hurt by the recent actions of the moderator and want a better solution.  Even if seen from the view of PUL, the cosmoethical action here, as Kyo would call it would be to engage in conversation, make peace, and figure out a public and open way to moderate that would let discussants feel that there was justice and fairness involved. 

M

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What's the point?

 3 times a charm?

Hi Justin!  Glad to see you here again. 

Believe it or not, I am as big of a hot-head as the rest of the hot-heads around here.  I get p.o.'d, I get offended, and I don't like everybody, but I do choose my words and my battles carefully. 

From what I understand, Spitfire wasn't banned (not yet, right?) it's just that he crossed the line somewhere so he got a slap on the wrist.  We've seen this with Don too (sorry to bring up your name Don but you know you've crossed the line many times and I'm surprised you haven't been deleted yet-- but maybe not enough folks have complained about you?)

All my above post was about was to defend the fact that Bruce has made the peer moderator system so that when enough people "complain" about a post, something can be done about it.  It doesn't necessarily mean that Bruce agrees with the complaint or that everyone else on this site agrees with it. 

As I said, Bruce isn't here to speak for himself at the moment so a lot of these complaints are kind of pointless as I see it.  If anyone has a gripe with him, they need to wait and talk with him about it.

And, even if there are cliques here, no one is going to get banned or deleted because they are not liked by a few.  I'm sure that spitfire's thread got deleted because it violated guidelines.  Am I right? Or am I wrong?

Personally, I have read plenty of stuff I don't care for, but I also don't complain about it.  I know it will eventually blow over after everyone has said what they want to say and then they all move on to something else.  Happens all the time.  I chose not to engage in every thread, argument, debate, war, or whatever you want to call it.  Sometimes all I do it read.  Sometimes I just ignore it altogether. 

In regards to you Justin, when you were getting bashed, I missed all of it--on this site and on the other.  Just like I missed this whole Spitfire problem.  If his thread had been left on the off-topic forum and it offended me, I just would have ignored it.  I wouldn't even have posted on it. 

I can only speak for myself here in saying that I'm not taking sides on this issue, it's just that it's not affecting me the way it seems to be affecting some people.  But that's the way people are--we want to stick up for those we like/love. 

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i,too think this is an unfortunate explanation.not only for here, for any boards this was going to be an extremely unfortunate explanation.

it is ok to be going..it is not ok to go without saying the reasons of going..because perhaps you ll come back and nothing would have changed.. and perhaps you d regret not saying it.

humbly..peer moderation is not a good system..especially in a positon where the peer moderation output is putinto the action without intermediate evaluation. in peer moderation system the "keen" party rules the board ..or board bandits in other words..(and those board bandits might really get undercover )but instead it ought to be the justice that should rule a board..and unfortunately just people would sense that moderation is not their bussiness and will stay out of the peer moderation system mostly.
you d notice immediatly when somebody is insulting you..a moderation doesnt have this luxury. when moderation does this, it really really looks bad. moderation has to be alert for anybody equally or show this will to a proper degree ..and especially on behalf of the weak and unwanted (by the bandits), the moderation should be alert. because those people should also be welcomed as long as they dont insult people..it is wonderful to have people who dont agree and discuss this openly....i cant spare/save my friends, supporter, customers and let the strangers or non wanted by the bandits to be perished on a board, as the moderation..or it is not a board it is just "lets praise and raise the king" arena. nobody..even the customers wouldnt wanna be in such a place after a while.. is my guess
anyway.. mostly and shortly behind all this moderation should do the work of separating thought critizm from personal insult. thats all.

Vicky,

A thread entitled "Goodbye Chaps," after the initial bad taste posting was completely deleted.  Posts on both threads that were not offensive were completely deleted.  The time, effort and thought placed into those posts were summarily erased.  

I am not saying every moderator is perfect.  However, obviously people are upset by these actions, but they stood by without an adequate explanation or restoration despite the seeming injustice and the outcry.

I believe a public notice either on the original thread or on a new thread would serve the purpose well.  We are not trying to make the moderator "eat crow," so much as to restore the sense of balance and fairness that many of us feel is lost.

Allan posted a note saying that in point of fact, I, you and others are "owed nothing,"by Bruce or the website.  Although legally true, for those of us who see this as a community, I find that to be a very discouraging and polarizing statement.


Matthew

Yes he has been treated very unfairly

So much for the people who preach "PUL", what aload of hypocrites these people are

Face it nobody liked Spitfire as he challenged people on this board with a logical, analystic and sometimes cynical approach to the area of the afterlife and nearly always backed up jis claims with a good solid argument.  Yes sometimes he was a bit harsh but arent we all??

And when I was scrolling the off-post forum I saw a thread saying take away womens rights!! My GOD!  why was'nt RyanParris disciplined?  Absolute disgrace.
People like Craig are rare, its a real shame that there are not more people who think like him.

P.S. Spitfire leeme knwo when you get this new froum up and running, I've had enough of this PUL Hypocracy

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It's up now mate,
http://s3.phpbbforfree.com/forums/spitfirev2.html

Sign up and have some fun.

It seems someone is harassing Linn. This strikes at the heart of the spiritual integrity of the Spitfire side of this controversy.

I no longer support Spitfire in this debate, although my views of peer moderation remain.

Rob

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I swear on my eternal soul, ive never sent an email to linn since our session. I do not know who is doing it, but you can check my ip address to clear me from this.

Why would i spend 50 bucks to have a pop, when i could simply send 5,00000 emails to her inbox.. or somthing more damaging.

Maybe it was another customer who felt robbed, for it was definetly not me.

Matthew,

I think your counsel is the wisest in this issue and I will follow your lead.

Rob

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While I personally don't think you have anything to do with whatever has happened, I feel I should point out that masking your IP is very simple to do and since your in England your IP is very likely dynamic anyway and not fixed.

  I missed most of this story and don't know details
 
  I know that
  none of us dance alone

  the physics of of the thing is that there
  aren't just two sides, ever

  reality always has more dimensions

  we don't exist except as relationship

  it's a hand getting angry at a foot
  forgetting it's one body

  Spitfire being treated unfairly?

  Spits is dancing! He's not a victim!

  Linn a victim! Make me laugh!
  She's an eternal being!
 
  I read Craig's post and it's obvious he's sincere;
  he doesn't have anything to do with
  the harassment described. That's plain to me.

  the I-Ching often consuls "No Blame"

  that doesn't mean to throw up your hands and go
"oh well"

  it means there are no sides or corners to the thing
 
  it's a sphere

  if you look for a right side or a wrong side
  you have to hallucinate them
  because it's a sphere and there are no corners

  "No Blame" means to stop hallucinating

   It's not forgiveness (nothing to forgive)

   It's a shift in perception
   
   the big view

   yeah! where you don't exist except as relationship
 
   TALK FROM THERE

   TALK FROM THAT PLACE


   
   

   

 

 
 
 

 
 

 
 



 


 

   

 

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Your ip address is tailored to your location, and unless your a computer genius - the location part of your ip is not changable.. if you traced my ip address you would see, i live in kingston upon hull, in yorkshire.. and unless i traveled to another city, far far away, i could not change this, the only part that changes is the last digits.

yes, it is a sphere and there are no corners..the right and wrong are hallucinations and illusions..so let the niggers be niggers untill you are born as a black person..let the jews be terminated in gas rooms untill you are born a nazi to find a better way to kill...let the place be the place where people owe each other nothing ..not even a genunie smile or a sincere thought. let there us be the one with a head and toe while the head cant feel the pain of the toe..let us be the brothers and sisters who is talking cheap to each other..and pls after all,  let there be love!
is this the catfight?..well no,  this is the just the life itself that people devastate and offer to each other in kind manners. i too will one day start a fire , play and fake and will sit back and relax and enjoy the sight of people burning just to warm me up..i too would then turn my head back and find a fancy relaxing thought and that day, i guess i ll begin to believe that we are one.

i have seen people enough mostly around here who is playing the three monkey when somebody is bleeding before their eyes under their own rule. "what is this? what is the damage?"..say.. they just dont understand.yet again this time somebody says something about their own self or about the self of a friend..far from causing a wound..although they are immune to the damage although they are the king of their place they rush and hurry and take action and nobody is even have to explain themselves..ok, in this small exapmle, i really would like to have a compromise..could it be that perhaps we are ONE with SOME and NOT so with some others? i just dont bother with this..i bother with the blinded sense in people when they preach about love and being one. so i ask them..which ONE do you mean?

but it is really a joke, u see. anybody cant be serious talking among people who are so friendly only outside and under a rule who says we owe you nothing.

it has been six years..despite all those warnings given to me about the place and the purpose of it only now i slowly am begining to realize that really here is a big mistake going on.i have not been to the other side, i have not met jesus, i have not drown in lights of love but i do claim people owe each other and every other. people owe each other to-the-face sincerity, people owe each other the truth the best they understand and perceive, people owe each other the care..i see none here..i see so very strange things that i have not seen someplace else..i see people hating their own daughter and sitting here and preaching love ..i see people whispering words of ..-i dont know what- inside and yet faking a gigling smiley. this place is almost a hell where living ghosts are  trapped and you are talking about rescuing the actual dead man and lifting them to heavens? impossible. so blinded to the living, cant do a thing about the dead, except perhaps burying it.

how many chances you d give to a person about a mistake that is goin on? one million? two billions? in how many of them they would seriously think about  correcting them? in none probably..yet again wouldnt you give one another chance? yes, you would..but in among those time, in all that repeating mistakes all the system and all the current could have shifted to another side..yet again you would give that other chance after the billionth and.. you d wait..until the eternity, you d wait so the invidual mistake is corrected..small are chances but you'd wait, wouldnt you?

whatever.. i dont know about you but i think i would..i think, i have to. because it is gotto be a rule or something.

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If memory serves me correctly in Hull your limited in your telecomes provider and ISP, I'm not going to go giving out details but its very easy to change your IP to one totally different, there are programs that can do it for you, but it can actually be done very easily in IE. Also though I doubt this applies to you, but for people on NTL a lot of websites dont pick up their actual IP but the IP of their local cache server. As I said in my original post I dont think you did it at all, im just correcting the technical aspects.

Hi I agree with everything deanna has wrote here and i really, like deanna miss spitfire on here ,it just wont be the same on here without him ,i liked to read what he wrote because all he was doing was the same as the rest of us saying what he truly thinks and beleives and he should be back on here because he had so many interesting things to say  and i miss it .Love and god bless juditha . come back spitfire theres so many of us that miss you