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 Hi Rondele,

 I'm not completely sure, but i think Kathy may just be trying to help.  


 Hi Kathy,

 As i said earlier, in this case the truth needs no defense, and have a hard time believing Bruce really cares about the drama here when people aren't extremely breaking any major guidelines?

 Personally i'm a little tired of the drama, and if Bruce cares then sure go ahead an give him the previous IP's.  For all i care, you could post these here, and Bruce post Raz's and/or Rob from detroit (this is who Raz claims to be).  

 Bruce personally knows (or at least i told this too him a long time ago, back last Decem. or Jan.) that i use to have to use Library computers up until a little while ago when i got my own I-net connection (about 3 months ago, or so).

 Anyways, i appreciate the concern if this is from a positive motivation, and if not, its not my concern i guess.

Peace

 

Ok, justin, if thats your real name...


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thats is funny in light of all this sceptisim and especially in what the doc just said:
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This apprreciation and acceptance and non-judgemental-ness of elias i think scares him:)

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Are you blind? Elias offers plenty of criticism. Ask berserker.  Elias and seth practically criticise most of our mass held beliefs.
though he doesnt say to an individual they are crap for holding these mass held beliefs.
and Both seth and elias explain negativity well.

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ok, again this is covered in the material.  Look up the engaging in conflict exercise on the elias site.

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I truly dont see what your problem is with elias.

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yeap, covered.

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very good.

though, if there wasnt so much objection i could of given you quotes from elias showing you how your basically in line with what he says only your terms and the way you express these ideas are differnet.

oh what the hell, heres one little tiny elias quote:

ELIAS: “I am what you are. I am the same as you. I am an energy personality essence, in like manner to yourself. You also are an energy personality essence, but you choose to be focusing your attention within the exploration of physical dimensions. I choose not, presently. I hold a remembrance and you have forgotten, and this is the difference, and beyond this, what I am is the same as what you are.” (Smiling)

 Raz wrote, Elias offers plenty of criticism. Ask berserker.  Elias and seth practically criticise most of our mass held beliefs.
though he doesnt say to an individual they are crap for holding these mass held beliefs.
and Both seth and elias explain negativity well.

 Hmmm, seeing as this was in reference to something i said about Cayce, and peoples experience with this source, it seems to imply that Cayce's Source was telling people they were crap for holding certain beliefs?

 Well, either way, from what i have studied in the readings, Cayce's source magnified the best in people, and even if a person was choosing to be very negative, the Source would look for a positive aspect within that person to spring on.

 Yet, at the same time, this Source occasionally impersonally criticized people..well more specifically not them, but how they were acting.

 Its like the difference between saying, "you're a bleepity bleep!" or calmly saying, "you're acting like a bleepity bleep right now"...

 One is a much more "absolute" statement about the very beingness of the person, and this is the very definition of "judging" of which Jesus so warned us about, if we didn't want to suffer anymore, and to be "judged" in turn.

 The latter is making a detached statement about the temporary choices and ways of the person.  In the case of Cayce's source, it was designed to help them see unconscious and unregenerated negative tendencies of which they were not very honest about...

 As long as it remained unconscious, and as long as they continued not to face self, and these tendencies...they wouldn't fully grow to their full spiritual potential--that standard of Oneness again.

 The Source was motivated by a helpful intent, motivation, and its that oh so subtle Spirit in which you do something which matters much more than the actual appearance of "action" or what have you.

 Ones stating a perception for universally helpful purposes, but what most seem to do, most of the time is to judge.

 We have faculities of perception for a reason, and there is nothing wrong with perceiving any aspect of the Relative reality in its relation to the One absolute standard of Oneness.

 It's when negative emotions, ego, and not seeing the Real self of another as well as the relative manifestations of the false self, and one could say at the expense of...which hinders both us and them, and the collective...

 Again, its always about the collective.

 Now without any emotion, but just clear feeling and thought and with a desire to help you, i can tell you certain seemingly "negative" things about you and how you are being, without attracting suffering on my part, or what some term creating negative Karma.

 No, i'm not going to do it, but was just making a point.  

 The closer the individual Essence, or consciousness gets its inner frequencies to resonate (through freewill choice) to the energy of that standard--Oneness/Universal Love, which can be thought of White Light, the more they can "look" into you accurately and clearly, and see what would help you, and how you choose right from wrong according to your degree of Light.

 I recently personally criticized some people on this site.  Most of it was not judging but stating perceptions, yet i realized that i'm not "close" enough to that White Light energy to be as helpful as possible, and i should ignore this facet of helping people until i know i am "there".

 Because most of it was not judging, i didn't get that automatic feel bad, and unhappy type feeling when i said those things...  At some points, i was more judging, and so correspondingly, my state of being reacted by suffering and feeling not too good about myself.

 Sadness, confusion, worry, doubt, etc. are all manifestations of ego and choosing false self over real self..  When you judge someone, you are choosing false self over real self, and will suffer.

 How fast and intensely you suffer, depends on your vibratory rate, and attunement to the Field (as Bruce calls it), people that are very attuned, or resonate more or less harmoniously with the Fields energy, will feel things much faster and more intensely...

 A karmic friend of mine once blasted me with some "perceptions" about me via email, which were really judgements, and unconscious negative feelings which they had been feeling towards me for awhile to varying degrees of consciousness and/or intensity...

 Guess what happened, a day after, they became intensely sick with food poisoning.

 Because they are of a more expanded consciousness and someone who meditates oft, their very conscience and energy balance rebelled against their body forces, temp. creating inharmony within the body, and weakening it...

 Love, or Oneness feelings on the other hand, can only eventually strengthen and harmonize a body...and if someone attunes enough to the One Field, then they can heal others through their very harmonious energy emanations, or "quantum waves of coherence and order".

 Light, basically they can radiate ever more brilliant and amplified Light waves, which is of the energy of Life, of Source itself--what Cayce's Source called "The Creative Forces".

 My friend should have realized this, and seen for their own good their unconscious belief systems about me, but they seem to fear to be that self honest, and to face the false self...cause why?  Its initially painful to face ones false self, and realize certain things about self.

 And at every turn, my friend contradicted themselves and preached against non "negative" perception and judgment of others, and that we shouldn't try to "teach" others, but sure didn't mind to offer to teach me, and rather consistently i might add.  Strange the difference between preaching, and putting it into practice?

  Consistent contradiction is often a clear indication of coming more from one's false self as well. 

  Well, either way, our Disks will all eventually get it "right" and then truly move beyond right and wrong...and then they can only choose love, and every act, thought, feeling, etc. becomes one of love.

I think Alysia needs to close the loop in her allegation re. the two Subject posters. 

If she is right, that needs to be so stated.  If wrong,  an apology is most certainly needed.

Unfortunately this is not the first case where things were posted about some board members which were not only incorrect but highly inappropriate to post even if they were true.

And to this day, months later, an apology still hasn't been offered.

I have felt the same way at times, Marilyn.  But I feel that life is messy, and sometimes a healthy debate gets a good resolution.  I haven't had one with the Mary/Elias crew, because they are here to "experience" or cut and paste Mary responses to my questions (instead of give their own explanations).  Ah, well.  

To say the teenager who falls into drugs and debases himself/herself has just decided to "experience" that - let them do it....and to say that notions of PUL and divinity are just beliefs, not particularly a path to follow or to aspire to is bunk in my book.   And yes, many posters have commented on the M/E crowd's anger and self-centeredness in their posts.

Elias is a feel good philosophy, consistent with itself.  "you are not here to learn anything"  
"you are only here to experience."   So simple.  Sounds good right?  Maybe for some.  

So yes, if Marta or Raz are impressed with the consistency Mary has whipped up, Bravo.  Its consistent.  Consistency without love/heart/soul/purpose is not what I'm looking for, however.  

I am looking for further posts from Marilyn, Marta (without quotes), Dave, Kathy, Justin and even Don.  I enjoy conversations with many others as well (Chilipep., Spitfire).  If I can't get into the deeper conversations on this forum, it will lose its appeal for me as well.  

Matthew

  I agree with Ronedele about stuff happening awhile ago.

  I want to publically apologize to everyone here about bringing up such personal issues on this site previously under the posting name Justin2710.  This wasn't the place for it, and was disrespectful to other posters, and to Bruce.  On a personal level, i realized it's best not too point out the false self tendencies of others until this consciousness is more clear and White Light immersed myself.

  So, i've been trying to stick more to impersonal concepts, beliefs, and teaching comparisons.

  Appreciate your patience with me.

  Hi Mair,

  Whereas i see where you are coming from, i really don't see that much negativity here.   Why judge it so much?  It is what it is, and whose to say that in the long run it isn't of benefit?

  Things cannot always be 100 percent peaceful, agreeing, and super nice all the time.  We are NOT all Masters, and should not be forced to act in that manner, this is how we live and learn, by our mistakes.

  Its not just that Alysia said something once, she has restated her false accusation, and on some level seems to be wanting to start some trouble.  On a personal level, her knowing how much i'm going through lately, and doing this shows how much she is suffering to try to add to another person's plate of difficulty.  I'm trying to look past this aspect of her and hold her in the Light of her True Self.

  And its a good thing (for me) i've regained my center and detachedness, and am not taking it personally.

  However, on a practical, teaching level, i am abiding by the rules again, and there were people who complained to Bruce when i was not abiding by the rules here, well i was told flatly, justly, and impersonally that this is not the place.    I agreed, and out of a bit of hurt and self pity, i thought i should leave since it seemed few "accepted" me here. 

  I realized that was the way of ego, and running away (so Rob was partly right there), and while i don't fully accept my attachment to these sites, and to the need for communication, regardless i feel the need to express.

  Also consider the average, or Archetypal differences between women and men.
Men tend to debate more, because they tend to be more left brained and about ideas, thoughts, and concepts.   They on average, can detach more from their emotions in these kinds of things.

  Women (not all, but on average) tend not to debate as much, and tend to need "peace' more, and they have a harder time detaching from their emotions in situations like these.

  Basically, there just different ways of expressing, and ones not better than the other, as in all things balance is to be desired.   Sometimes its better to shut ones trap, to listen, or to just support, and find something to agree on.   Other times its best to impersonally debate and disagree, and to be very active in expressing.


  Hi Raz,

  Ok, well thanks for the interest, and the debate either way.   Hopefully we clarified some stuff for others here.


  Hi Rob,

  What i don't understand about this whole situation, is that i have posting to this site previous to my name change, for a year.   If one reads all my posts, they may see a pattern of mostly positivity, support, relating, and expanding upon concepts and beliefs.   Only for that recent period did i get consistently personal.

  Everyone seemed to forget about the old Justin quite easily, the one who just tried to help, and relate impersonally.   

  Same thing on Linn's site, posted a half a year there, and generally quite positive.   After the drama, and if i was as immature as people are trying to accuse me of, why didn't i go over to Linn's site and start to cause some trouble there?

  I have no interest in that, simply cause i'm much more mature than that.

   Like me, Alysia needs to worry more about herself, and how well or not she is putting forth PUL, instead of concentrating on others.

  I don't think "credibility" is an issue here, and i don't need an apology from her, because i know the real issue is "suffering" and acting out from suffering.   I have much compassion for her lately, from seeing more varibles than i did previously.

  Thanks DocM, Alysia, Rondele, Mair, Raz, P.A., and Rob, and hopefully we can drop this silly debate soon, its getting old and boring... Onto bigger and better stuff

 Mair, perhaps it is more reflecting the clearing that needs to take place, and is taking place for the changes?

If thats the case, then in the long run, isn't it a very positive thing?

 Its like we have had all this underground negativity, corruptness, greed, selfishness in the world for so long and it was the majority way...

 Now things are changing, and this stuff is coming out more and more, and being shown clearly, and i believe this is very important for growth.

 Like in the U.S. how all this recent stuff about the abuses and corruptness of various Corporations are coming out more and more and more people are starting to become deeply aware of the dark part of us and our society.

 This needs to happen on all levels...  This board, is just acting as a reflector of this clearing, and this is a microcosmic clearning of the more expanded and collective macrocosmic clearing.

 We are getting close to some intense waves in the changes, and so things are getting more intense, and will get even more intense in relationships of all kinds.

 Basically, just worry about holding your center, is the best advice i could give, that and meditation--the time tested way of balance and attuning, that even Jesus needed to do...