I was just wondering Alysia. 

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I know, I was just getting something off my chest...nothing personal. I like you. alysia

Well Pabloescabar aka Axel dear

It's your style no doubt about it, some may remember one of your alias, wich you are admited,  you are the one with a habit spreading venom about the "stupid" Alysia (who you also contacted many time)  and liars like Marylin, Gordon Phinn, Rosalind just name the few, and the rest, so your attitude now it isn't really a surprise.

For months and month both of you -  you for years bombarded  Marta with endless questions over and over and over again both privatelly and on the board , as you did with several from here also. You the one who need to follow others, nobody asked you to come to Marta, your friend still using the same informations word by word what both of you learned from her, and of course  from the fraud.
Marta didn't needed  either of your wisdom, it was very one sided conversation from day one.

When you come to our board  you didn't even know that Seth is a person or served on the plate.

You learned from Marta mostly, of course it was her choice, even though after several of your post in this board as alias should of been a red flag for her.That already showed who you really are. Just matter of time who you turn your immature hiss toward the next person who might already wasting time on you.



Far as the so called "attack" and just few of your and your friend posts, what can be read if anyone care

http://p206.ezboard.com/fthewaytoselfknowledge93906frm2.showMessage?topicID=190....

http://p206.ezboard.com/fthewaytoselfknowledge93906frm2.showMessage?topicID=176....

http://p206.ezboard.com/fthewaytoselfknowledge93906frm8.showMessage?topicID=47.t...

http://p206.ezboard.com/bthewaytoselfknowledge93906

Dora and Marta think that they know everything and everyone else nothing. How many time did they repeat what Marylias said in making mistakes? Then,as they misunderstood the info, they had to REREAD the session with the correct information  lol
I am not grateful to Marta and even less to Dora. Grateful for what? For their attacks and insults? For their hatred? There is nothing to learn from them. But at least everyone realizes that they dont believe in any of the concepts they used to mention like "acceptance" or " You create ALL OF YOUR REALITY"...   Dora and Marta, you created Gerald and me!  Dora, hurry up and pick up a quote from Marylias and paste it here    You defenitely have no personality whatsoever

so what.


Axel is emotional. In fact elias told axel alot of things about himself.

But basically, what happened is that Axel convinced himself he could do the same thing as mary does . He said he could become 'eliasified', and thats the word he used.  And he'd have his girlfriend ask him questions and supposedly become 'eliasified' and answer them.  
So, according to his logic, if he could do that, then mary is a fraud, somehow.
But how, and why?  that was his problem.  he believed that it was a fruad, so using that belief began looking for the how elias is a fraud, and the why.

Now, this is where his reasoning breaks down, which is why i think he's got nothing on elias. Because, he found this event in the transcripts (session 294, i think...)where elias was asked by a person named nancy, for him to repeat her essence name because at that last session where she asked the first time, was a group session, and elias had given out many essence names to people at one time and she wasnt sure which name belonged to her.  Elias would not repeat the essence name to her. And he gave her a reason in which she understood.
Axel didnt understand why elias would not repeat her essence name to her, and built this into how that makes elias a fraud.

Now the why, is because of the same old same old. Axel thinks mary's motive is to get rich.

Now,ill share you an email i got a hold of that Axel sent Mary herself:

"Hi Mary!
>
> I had a session with YOU in July and i have read a lot afterwards about you and Elias. A lot of doubts have appeared in my mind and other's minds and
> i think that ELIAS does not exist and that you fake everything.
> What a great business you do! You must be really rich now. You read for years the Seth material and learned it by heart, and then changed some of it to try to "sound" different...But actually you just parrot what Seth said.
It is easy to see that Elias doesnt exist because you never answer questions like "what is my intent in this focus" or things like this because you dont know! At times you cant answer if someone asks you the essence name again
> LOL
It is only because you didnt reread the informations properly before the session!
A lot of money is involved in this "Elias business". Why would you charge so much money and have 5 or 6 sessions per day if Elias really existed?
Because Money! You love money!
I am going to write to all the people knowing Elias and try to show them that Elias is actually YOU and only you. I really hope that people will stop calling you and giving you their money . Shame on you."



So you see. Imo Axels reasons are quite lame. in fact he makes little attempt to actually challenge or understand the information itself.

Just recent to these events axel was saying all the time how much he loved elias, and then pretty suddenly thought he was a fraud.
This i may think have something to do with his french connection/ Gerald.  Gerald is another one who makes the same assertion and he was a memebr of the self knowledge baord too.  he is one that thinks elias is a fraud but uses elias terms and concepts all the time. I donrt want to get into gerald, right now.

I insulted them both, so , in that respect they have that problem with me.  marta and dora never once as far as i can recall ever did anything but answer their questions using their understanding of the elias concepts.

What i said to them ... I called gerald a Sucker, And i told Axel to run along a suckle his thumb.
Beacuse
They have nothing on elias or mary.  And their claims are about as weak as they get.  

  I think that if you want to give readings, and you don't have many clients, then you perhaps should charge more out of practical necessity.

  But, if you become very popular, and book many sessions per week, then why not lower your fees correspondingly?

Otherwise, it just smacks of sheer material greed.

  One thing i really respect about Linn from here, is that she doesn't charge a lot, and i can't ever seeing her charge an arm and a leg...for what, to be helpful to others, thats a reward and compensation in and of itself.

Dear Sweetfire,

Just try to reach your gran. That's what this board is really all about.  You have a lot of help to do that!
That's all Bruce was trying to do when he developed this board for us.

Love, Jean

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pheonix
its 270 an hour.... regular oracle rates....

Though, from what i see about mary shes not material at all.  She lives in a modest house that needs repair and wears shi++y clothes just like me...lol.  you can see pictures of mary's enviroment if you look on those two elias sites

it seems alot for a session but i think thats just to weed out the a holes that would be calling her 20 times a week  if it was ten or twenty bucks an hour. or especially if it was free.

in contrast to that syvlia psychic who tells everyone they have a disease and lives quite lavishly with her longer than normal finger nails and all...the contrast is striking. so, its not about the money in this elias thing and i cant even say for sure how much she(mary) makes....no where near sylvia browne , no way
Though,. I think mary will eventually be 10 times more famous and ten times less wealthy.