I just listened to some of the below video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBo5VivyePE

I commented as below. Going by what Tom says, people such as Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen where just Avatars, and were heartlessly eaten by their IOUCs. I believe if Tom listened to his heart a little more, he would find differently.

"I believe Tom is a bit confused. Instead of using the term IOUC I will use the term Higher Self (I mean this in an Oversoul kind of way). When we rejoin our higher selves, we don't get snuffed out of existence. Think of how heartless a higher self would be, if it snuffed its projections out of existence, once they return. How could a being actually lower entropy, if it was so heartless and love lacking, that it snuffs it  projections (slaves) out of existence, after they complete going through all they go through while incarnated in places such as this world.

I've experienced divine love many times, and there is no way love-based beings are going to snuff all of us Uncle Fred's out of existence.

Consider Soul Groups. Many IOUCs are like one unit, yet they are also distinct. When we rejoin our Higher Self we are a part of our larger being. Check out Ron Krueger's NDE.

https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/1ron_k_nde.html

Consider how Bruce Moen made contact with his Disk (higher self) members. I have done the same.

If a person wants to lose entropy, he better make certain that he doesn't get so tangled up in what "his' logic says, so that he can't listen to his heart.  It is not illogical for conscious beings to be one and many at the same time. It is not illogical for us to be aware of our distinctiveness and Total Self (IOUC) at the same time. Each thinking unit doesn't need to be dissolved, in order for an IOUC to be functional.

Consider reading France Rae Key's the team books, to get a better idea of how we can be one and many at the same time.

Is there a time when the Creator of all is going to have to heartlessly gobble up all of the IOUCs, so it can exist in a functional way?

If IOUCs can evolve, why can't people such as Uncle Fred evolve?

Some of Tom's logic is faulty. Sometimes our logic is twisted in the direction we want it to go. When we "grow up," we don't allow it to be twisted. It is not immature for a person to want to know if their deceased loved one is doing okay."

I have been able to come to some logical consistencies without concluding the same as Tom.

Did Tom have free will when he came to his conclusions? If not, how can you trust what he says?"

P.S. Elisa Medhus, author of the book "My Son and the Afterlife" was mentioned in the video. At the back of the book are words where Tom praises the book. Jaime Butler was the supposed channel for this book. Consider the below.

https://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1569288214

Roger:

I believe that Tom is a smart guy, but none of us is perfect, and any of us, including myself, can get it wrong now and then.

My post will only make sense if you listen to the video I provided a link for. I suppose I could've written it better, but I'm busy taking care of someone now.

For some reason the edit mode went away, I meant to say "Fred passes away" above rather than Tom.

Albert, I recall in one of Bruce's books that he said we are "probes" sent by our disks to gather information. I don't recall him saying anything about our individual identities being dissolved upon our death. Nor did he explain what sort of information our disks wanted or needed.

Sounds to me that TC took what Bruce wrote and added his own spin to it. I personally wouldn't pay much attention to what he says. After all, no one really knows exactly what happens to us when we die. Which is why I don't spend much time worrying about it.

It's a binary outcome..either we continue in some form or we don't. We've already won the lottery by being born in human form to begin with. Considering the trillions of life forms I'm pretty happy the way it turned out.

R

Tom Campbells work is what lead me to Monroe and then Moen, so I will always be grateful to him for that. But I got half way through MBT book one and gave up. It was beyond my ability to stay focused let alone understand. Having watched a few of his videos since experiencing my own travels, I think his over all ideas are right, but its difficult to compare the details when he has never shared his own experiences.

I'd imagine with a mind like his, the experiences he has are quite different to my own and almost impossible to compare. I do like his binaurals though. Just the tones without guidance. He says they are to take the training wheels off after The Gateway Series.

I'll watch that video tonight.

Ok Im going to attempt a quote...

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This is a theme that Dolores Cannons series 'The Convoluted Universe' shares with Tom. However her clients under hypnosis go on to say that joining with the central sun/source is not a permanent thing and they are also free to continue experiencing and having further adventures as an individual even after they have joined the collective. As I understand being within the collective is a wonderful feeling and not something to fear.

What did he mean by calling RM and BM avatars?

I understand where you are coming from, I have read about half of her books, some of her books are decades apart and there are inconsistencies. But I also believe the information had to come to us slowly or we would not cope. Imagine if aliens landed tomorrow? Humans horde toilet paper when there is a respiratory virus going around, I cant imagine how they will behave if the ET's show up. I think her works were right for the time, opened minds and much of the information in my OBE sessions backs up what she says. E.g. I have spoken to a mantis being.

Im happy to remain curious but keep an open mind. I really don't think we could handle the whole truth while incarnated.

Regarding hoarding, I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, and for the past two weeks I haven't been able to find toilet paper. I'm rationing what I have.

I went by the bottled water section once, and these two guys were filling up their cart with bottled water. They had a very strong me, myself and I vibe going on as they did this.





Maisie wrote on Mar 21^st, 2020 at 10:42pm:

I'm currently residing in rural Australia, 30 minutes from the closest small town and they haven't had toilet paper for 2 weeks and bottled water for a week. Its a bit late for people to suddenly decide to be dooms day preppers.

Have you had much rain there? Ive been seeing reports that California has had lots of unseasonal rain, much like here. Weeks of it in fact, its wonderful. After 6 months of extreme heat its been a blessing. Im not in an area that was terribly effected by the fires, smoke but not fires close by. But the grass has grown like crazy, so the farmers are happy. 12 months of drought lifted in 2 weeks. All those international prayers saved us.