Hi everyone
My name is Melissa, I just joined after trying for weeks, but I guess the time wasn't right till now.
I need some advice from others who use Bob and Bruces technique of phasing OoB...I learnt how to achieve this in July and had a very intense 5 months in lessons with my spirit guides and having a chakra healing and then over night it just stopped. My guides told me I needed to quit smoking, which took me a few weeks but I managed it and now it seems I cant balance the hemispheres of my brain or something. Its like Im blocked from doing anything.
Has anyone else experienced this? Does it pass, or am I doing something wrong? Im beginning to feel a little desperate and sad about it. After feeling so connected to the other side and then nothing. Its like I'm being punished, or there is something I have to do that Im not realising. Please help. Any advice or suggestion is welcome.
Thank you in advance
Melissa

Thank you Vicky
I feel a lot better knowing this is not unusual. I've been calm for about 5 weeks waiting for it to return. I will keep trying different methods. I can keep plugging away at the gateway series too but even that has lost its lustre.

If Im blocked because of beliefs then I really have no ideas what they are, I released religion, that was a belief holding me back and I forgave my abusive step father...both at the suggestion of my guides. So Im stumped and will give that some thought, thank you.
I wasn't aware there were recordings relating to the guidebook. Ill have a look at those.

I do feel like it was beginners luck and my guides being excited to make the connection so I think they made it easier for me. Now I really have to practice meditating and focusing my mind to achieve what initially happened spontaneously.
Thanks for your tips, I feel somewhat calmer.
Mel

Recoverer 2 wrote on Dec 19^th, 2019 at 6:43pm:


I did? Nice!  Thanks for the compliment 

PS -- I completely agree with everything you wrote.  Although we are our same selves in an OBE as we are in the physical, I find that an OBE can very acutely focus your attention or awareness on something (an issue, thought, feeling, state of being, etc) that you weren't consciously very aware of or wouldn't have thought mattered much to you.  I think that's because in our normal daily lives we of course think we know what we want and need but it's based on our limited perception here as well as the many filters we consciously and subconsciously use.   

And dreams are so important to pay attention to.  I think they are as important as the thoughts we choose to let take place in our head.  Dreams, like our thoughts, are a reflection of what's affecting us and taking our attention.  It's why I make a habit of forcing myself to clear my mind, so that if there is something trying to come into my awareness then I'll be able to perceive it.  Too much clutter and nonsense makes that very hard to do.  That same concept can be given to your dream time, which is why I like to give myself a suggestion or intention before bed of what I'd like to dream about, or requesting that my guides help me work on an issue, or something like that.  I like to try and use my dream time constructively.

Vicky said: "I find that an OBE can very acutely focus your attention or awareness on something (an issue, thought, feeling, state of being, etc) that you weren't consciously very aware of or wouldn't have thought mattered much to you."

Recoverer says:   "Related to the above, pretty much all of my OBEs and Lucid dreams have served the purpose of learning something.

Hello, Maisie,
I can't help you with OBE's, but I may be able to relate to your quitting smoking.  When I quit fifteen years ago, I was told by my doctor not to try it cold turkey.  I was doing a lot of writing at the time, and he was afraid I wouldn't be able to write for at least a year after quitting.  I took it slow and quit over a period of months.  I had no problem.  I know writing doesn't compare with OBE, but they are both brain functions...both creative brain functions.  This is my opinion.  I think you will regain all of your abilities as time and healing progresses. 
   I know how hard it is to wait for time to do its thing.   It is one of my lessons in this life.   In the meantime, don't be sad or scared, focus on learning, as it seems you are already doing, and allow it to come back to you in a more relaxed way.  By the way, six weeks is nothing when we are speaking about time.
Baroness T'ressa

Hi Baroness T'ressa
You make a very valid point, I have smoked for about 25 years, so who knows what kind of damage has been done and the toxin's my body is eliminating. I've known for years that my addiction to stimulants, (smoking and caffeine) were in an effort to stay on edge, stay guarded and ready for anything - fight or flight, because my beliefs told me the world is a dangerous place. For the first time in my life I'm not living on edge; that's going to take some adjusting, physically and psychologically. You are right 6 weeks is nothing, I lived without OBE's for 49 years before so I know I will survive if they don't come back. I'm grateful they even happened at all.
I hope your writing continued after you quit smoking. What do you write about?
M

Maisie:

You might find the below video worth listening to. Like you, Michael had challenges to deal with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MHnlPOUVQk

Regarding your desire to return home, this is something a lot of near death experiencers experience. Have you read Vicky's (from this forum) NDE account? Below is a link to that experience.

https://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1555102265

Hi Recoverer 2
Im currently listening to Michael Hoffman, interesting man. I like that he says I am not an authority and no one is, that's my belief too.

I read Vicky's NDE thread. That's how I feel about the other side, its where I'm from, its where I'm loved and at peace and this life I'm living was not what I volunteered for. My guides even told me my step father was worse than they ever anticipated. I was placed in this family to be deprived of love so I would reach up and connect to the other side, instead I spent 30 years looking for love in all the wrong places. When you don't love yourself there are plenty of people who also wont love you.

I experienced the other side another time as well. Because my childhood memories were so disjointed and dissociation was so easy for me and I felt so insane, I went to The Primal Therapy centre in LA in about 2002 and learnt how to really access my pain, memories and connect to my body that I had shut off from. I discovered that I'd had a traumatic birth, born by caesarian after going into fetal distress. In reexperiencing this I felt my mothers lack of interest in me, the lack of love she had for me, she couldn't dilate because she was in denial about my existence. As you can imagine this was a really traumatic painful primal experience that I really struggled to cope with. On the last time that I experienced my birth I was taken back pre-womb, to the unconditional, loving connected place we come from. I felt like an energy being connected to other energy beings and we had pure unconditional love pulsating through us. Imagine a brain cell with lots of arms and legs, each connected to other beings and waves of love throbbing in waves from one to the next. It was the most unbelievable experience of my life to that time and I believe a gift, to show me where I had come from.

In my OBE phases I've experienced that same feeling many times along with my guides knowing everything about me. Nothing in life compares to how they feel about me, so it isn't difficult for me to want to return there. But I know I'm here for a reason and I chose this. One of my roles was to be the last person to experience generational abuse in my family and for it to stop with me. Neither my brother or sister were abused and both have had happy children. I didn't have children which is in keeping with what Dolores Cannon said were the rules of the 3 waves of helpers that have come to the planet. We aren't to create karma because it would lead to a continued cycle of reincarnation. I hope that doesn't sound egotistical to assume I am one of the helpers, but too many things point in that direction.  Like that I remembered as a child wondering why my mother couldn't feel me calling for her in my head. I was a very non verbal child (still am, talking is over rated and over used) and felt information coming to me right from the beginning and assumed everyone else was the same. I don't think its any coincidence that there has been a plague of paedophilia and child sacrifice that has occurred concurrently with the influx of sensitive spiritual helpers. Anyway that's a pretty heavy subject and way off track.

Anyway Im up to the part where Michael is talking about an author whose surname is Garnet, do you know who that might be? It was in reference to Michael Newton, whose books lead me down the rabbit hole to Bob Monroe and then Bruce Moen earlier this year. He sounds interesting.