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Nov 5th, 2019 at 12:36pm
 
Peter Panagore, who wrote Heaven is Beautiful, describes his experience in this podcast. I bought the book after listening but it wasn't necessary, it's all here in his voice. Interesting that he claims it wasn't an NDE, that he actually died on the mountain.

https://thehumanxp.com/episode-46-peter-panagore/

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Reply #1 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:51pm
 
Roger, I had a chance to listen to this, thank you for sharing.

At one point Peter Panagore basically said that during his experience he understood that God is aware of all of us and loves all of us.

Contrast that to ACIM which states that God isn't even aware of this world. I think I'll go by what Peter said, rather than what that being Helen Schucman spoke to said.

How could a course that is supposedly a course in miracles, deny that God has anything to do with this world? What intent could such a course have?
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Reply #2 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 1:05pm
 
*How could a course that is supposedly a course in miracles, deny that God has anything to do with this world? What intent could such a course have?*

I think the intent of ACIM was to deceive. It wanted its readers to believe that sin is just an illusion and guilt is unnecessary since no matter what we do, no matter how awful, never really happened.

Panagore's life review shows how false that teaching is. ACIM is seductive because it takes us off the hook. Anything goes. That's great news for people who would rather not be bothered by the Ten Commandments.

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Reply #3 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 7:18pm
 
Roger:

It is really strange but yet understandable why so many people fall for a course in miracles. Here are some reasons that apply to varying degrees.

1. Some people haven't come to understand that there are misleading beings that seek to mislead people. Such beings don't want this world to spiritually progress. Because some people don't understand that this is so, they assume that anything that claims to be genuine source of information, is in fact such a source. If a source is fairly popular and packaged in a fancy way, people are more likely to assume, without really considering the matter, that a source is genuine.

2. Related to the above, some people don't understand to a sufficient extent that a source doesn't need to be genuine in order to come up with words that sound spiritual. Some misleading beings, even though they are not wise (considering the path they have chosen), are quite intelligent and clever. I have experienced the presence of some of these beings. In one case a group of these beings wanted to establish regular contact with me. I could sense in a very clear way that they were quite intelligent, lacked empathy, and were up to no good. I don't remember what precisely I told them,† something like, "I'm committed to God, Christ, love, ultimate goodness and the welfare of all, and that's all there is to it," and they went away.

3. Some people don't want to have to deal with spiritual growth in a gradual way, so they seek the all or nothing solution ACIM offers. Either the so-called atonement happens and the Universe disappears, or no growth happens. Some Eastern teachings are similar, they claim that either you drop your ego and become enlightened, or you donít grow at all. I found that it is definitely possible to grow in a gradual way, and well worthwhile to do so. The key factor is that growing spiritually isnít a matter of becoming a nobody, it is a matter of growing as a Soul that definitely exists.

4. Some people are troubled by the difficulties that exist in this world, and rather than put in the effort to make them better, they would rather believe that the world doesnít exist,† is just an illusion, so there is no need to do anything. This is what the courseís 365 day course attempts to do. It tries to get people to program their minds, so they no longer concern themselves with the suffering that takes place in this world. Iím quite familiar with this attitude because I had it when I was involved with guru-based nondual teachings in the 1980s. Eventually, thank God, I found out that many gurus arenít what they claim. Some are worse than othersóeven the gurus that seem more pure are misleading. For example, for people who are into nondual teachings, Ramana Maharshi was like the holy grail. Yet he said things that are quite misleading and similar to ACIM. He said people didnít need to be concerned about the suffering that takes place in this world, because the world doesnít exist, nothing was ever created, only the Self as pure awareness exists (Ajata Vada doctrine). He said that the ďI-thoughtĒ is the cause of manifested existence. He said that we are not our bodies and minds, just pure awareness. People who decide to conclude that Ramana was an infallible enlightened master, place their minds in a psychological trap that makes it difficult to see how things actually are, because they wonít question what Ramana (or other supposed enlightened gurus) say. If people would move beyond what ACIM and nondual gurus say, they would find that the Universe they find themselves in was intentionally created so Souls could use it as a way to experience and grow. You canít judge how much wonder is available, by the negativity that exists in this World.

5. Some people, out of the interest of being positive rather than negative, make the mistake of concluding that it isnít okay to question things in a critical way. I donít believe it is positive to keep silent when a source ďLIESĒ and claims to be Jesus, and purposely tries to mislead people.

6. Some people experience some seemingly positive results when reading ACIM, and therefore, assume that is okay. When I was involved with guru-based nondual teachings I experienced some positive results, but eventually I found that such growth happened to a limited extent, and that to some degree my mind had become confused and my spiritual growth was limited accordingly. For example, nondual teachers, including people such as Eckhart Tolle (a supposedly enlightened teacher who was influenced and therefore misled and limited by ACIM), contend that there is no such thing as an individual, individuality is just an illusion. ACIM goes way overboard with the way it speaks of ego.

This is what I have found out. My individuality, existence as a Soul, is a gift that God has graciously provided me with. I have found that if I meditate in a way where I acknowledge the existence of my Soul, my individuality, I make deeper contact with the gift God has provided, and this helps me become aware of Godís love, peace and presence. When people try to deny their individuality, and use a portion of the mind aspect of ďtheirĒ individuality to do so, they sometimes obtain a sense of their presence in a more formless way, and mistake this for the ultimate and total truth. This is a mistake, because the only way a person can get a good understanding of who they are and where they come from, is by allowing themselves to be aware of all aspects of themselves, even if some of these aspects need some fixing. Pure awareness, by itself, canít do anything but be aware. Thank goodness, the awareness, mind and creative aspects of being canít be separated from a personís awareness aspect of being, no matter how much a person fools himself about this matter, or what some supposed enlightened person says.

I have read of a few people that dissociated from their minds because of some trauma they experienced. This enabled them to experience bliss and a feeling of expansiveness. They eventually found that they had to deal with their trauma, in order to become integrated people that embrace all aspects of their being, rather than continue to be people that tried to escape a part of themselves, as perhaps Eckhart Tolle did when he sought relief from the depression and anxiety he was feeling (as described in ďThe Power of NowĒ). Some of the things he says are okay, some arenít. It seems that after what he refers to as his enlightenment experience, he relied on ACIM and Eastern teachings to help him make sense of what he experienced. Therefore, it is no surprise that he speaks of ego and mind in an out of balance and ďpossiblyĒ misleading manner. I said ďpossiblyĒ because I figure that some people who read his books and listen to him donít make the mistake of using a portion of their mind aspect of being to disassociate from their minds and sense of individuality. I have seen in various places within the internet that some people do take his words too literally, and try to disassociate from their sense of self and minds.

7. ACIM has many words, is repetitive, and is written in an odd way that can have a mind numbing effect. If a book has a lot of words, has a mind numbing effect, and a person is anxious to obtain the information they believe the book contains, such person is likely to read such book too quickly and as a result not thoroughly consider what it says.† This is what happened for me when I gave ACIM a chance and made the mistake of allowing it to brainwash me for a while. Regarding the mind numbing effect, I found out that it caused me to become sleepy and nod out. The only other thing that has had this effect, is another channeled source that speaks of ego in the same way as ACIM. Two other people at this forum stated that they experienced this nod out effect while reading ACIM. I saw a discussion at another forum, and three people at that forum experienced the same thing. On another site, a couple of people said that they sensed something malevolent when they read ACIM. There were occasions when I would ACIM, and I would see demonic images mixed in with the words, without seeing anything but the letters. This hasnít happened with another book, so donít call me crazy.

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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:24am
 
A friend of mine, a Catholic priest, had looked over ACIM at my request. He didn't get very far with his reading. He handed the book back to me and said he had a bad feeling about it. Didn't want to read any more of it.

I consider the book the same way I view a ouija board. Not only untrustworthy but potentially dangerous as well.

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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 11:53am
 
I believe it is possible that when we read a book that has a misleading and insidious source, we make some degree of an energetic connection to that source. To some degree, at a level that isn't fully conscious, some people say, "here I am, mislead me," as they read a book that has a misleading intent.

The good news is, if we are willing to discriminate, we can quite often tell if there is something off about a source, within the first few pages of reading a book or listening to a talk.

rondele wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:24am:
A friend of mine, a Catholic priest, had looked over ACIM at my request. He didn't get very far with his reading. He handed the book back to me and said he had a bad feeling about it. Didn't want to read any more of it.

I consider the book the same way I view a ouija board. Not only untrustworthy but potentially dangerous as well.

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Reply #6 - Dec 31st, 2019 at 11:09pm
 
Hi Roger and Recoverer 2
That's a really fascinating explanation of ACIM that relates to someone I know. Because she was interested in ACIM I never read it and was instinctually repelled by it but had no idea why, let me explain...
She and I were really close for a time until she started making moves on my (then) partner. She is 20 years older than us, had a long term relationship and business partnership that she was oblivious to and used to her convenience. She believes she is living her last life on earth, and "wouldn't need to come back here again because she was so spiritually evolved."
She told me to my face that my partner was her twin soul and that I was preventing her living her perfect life with him. He and I split up (4 years ago) after I caught them kissing and he was making moves on another friend. At that time she was split from her partner but went back to him when she found out he had terminal cancer. She used community donations for his cancer care assistance to go overseas on a 'spiritual quest' all the while his family had to fill his carer hours, because there was no money to pay anyone. Her partner (while terminally ill) tried to get legal assistance to be able to leave their joint property to his family rather than to her but was advised that because they owned a small business on the property and she had contributed a small percentage in the beginning, he would have to leave it all to her. For the last year of his illness she has been secretly seeing my ex. Her partner passed away a few months ago and she used the assistance of his friends to get the business ready to sell, only days after his passing. Recently bush fires (Really wild fires in Australia this summer) went through both their properties, he lost everything (with no insurance) and was forced to move in with her. The night the fire went through her land he took her car to escape by himself and left her to die. She was rescued by contacting help over facebook. She is still with him, two pathological people who cant see past themselves. It will be interesting to see who destroys who.

So to read that ACIM leads people to justify their poor behaviour is not really surprising given her personality traits and makes me so glad I resisted it when there was so much pressure at one time for me to read it. But Im certain Id have found it distasteful because it flies in the face of everything I believe and have experienced.
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Reply #7 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 12:22am
 
Maisie:

It is good to read that at least one person listened to her intuition and wasn't fooled by ACIM. I was fooled by it for a while. Eventually I found that it had a brainwashing effect on me.

As I said elsewhere, I have found that guidance can be obtained through dreams. In the 1980s I was involved with a guru-based cult. Eventually I found that the guru of this group wasn't as wise and spiritually evolved as he claimed. Years later, while I was involved with ACIM, I had a dream where I was leaving the Satsang hall of the guru I used to see. While standing on a stairwell a man shook me vigorously and asked me, "Why did you do it, why did you do it, why did you allow yourself to become brainwashed again?" In the first instant he meant the guru-based group I belonged to. In the second instant he meant ACIM.

Afterwards, several times during meditation, I prayed to God and Christ and asked if ACIM comes from Christ, and in each case I was told in a visual symbolic way, "no." I know of other people who have been told the same.

ACIM claims that the manifested universe didn't come from God and serves no purpose what so ever. Supposedly our collective egos (ACIM's version of the Son of God) created the universe as an "attack" against God. ("attack" is a key word that ACIM uses to brainwash people, and ironically, some of the course's followers will attack you if you say anything against ACIM.)

According to ACIM a person doesn't need to be concerned about the consequences of their actions, because nothing is real, and therefore nothing exists in a substantial enough way where it truly needs to be forgiven. It claims that forgiveness is a matter of seeing that nothing ever took place that can be forgiven.

The fact of the matter is that if we want to become spiritually whole, we will eventually need to look at our lives in a very honest way, and acknowledge how we effected others. (consider the life review of near death experiencers) Forgiveness between two people can actually take place, only if it is acknowledged that there is actually something to forgive. When forgiveness takes place in such a way, true spiritual growth can take place. We incarnate in places like this world so we can learn and evolve spiritually, not so we can deny the reality of what we take part in.

Even this world is nothing but an elaborate elongated dream, the wisdom and growth we obtain by being here is "very real." God has set things up so we can learn to become more like him in our own ways.

Going by some of the things you have written, it sounds as if you have had a more challenging life than me. I must say that overall my life has been quite blessed. The challenges I have had have helped me grow spiritually. I imagine that the challenges you have gone through have helped you grow spiritually. You have developed spiritual muscle that will benefit you for all of eternity. Your life here in this world is much more than a meaningless illusion. You are making a wonderful contribution to the Oneness we are all a part of. Thank you for your sacrifices.

P.S. I don't know to what extent people use ACIM to justify their bad behavior. I figure there are many course followers that are nice and honest people. As I mentioned above, ACIM says that forgiveness is obtained by seeing that there is nothing to forgive because there is nothing that is real. Such a way of thinking is usually applied when forgiving others. What if it is applied in reverse? A person might conclude that anything he or she does doesn't need to be forgiven, because it isn't real. For example, the act of stealing donated money doesn't need to be forgiven because such activity didn't actually take place, according ACIM's way of thinking.

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Reply #8 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:24am
 
Hi Recoverer 2

Ill answer your message in parts...


It is good to read that at least one person listened to her intuition and wasn't fooled by ACIM. I didn't actually make an informed decision, it was in spite of her liking it and advocating it and knowing her personality. She is also heavily involved with a group that does channelling, but I could see how corrupt they were just from their website home page. We used to go to the same meditation group, so we have friends in common still so I hear what she has been up to from people who have also been bitten by her.

I was fooled by it for a while. Eventually I found that it had a brainwashing effect on me. I think we have all been fooled in life, my naivete has been related to trusting peoples integrity and believing we are all basically honest. I also didn't see the damage my family were doing to me because I just didn't want to admit it. I was also totally sucked into the fairy tale that romantic love is the answer to everything. I really believe one of the modern day life purpose themes is destroying naivete and illusions that we have had as a collective. Religious, political, historical, genetic...its all B.S.

As I said elsewhere, I have found that guidance can be obtained through dreams. In the 1980s I was involved with a guru-based cult. Eventually I found that the guru of this group wasn't as wise and spiritually evolved as he claimed. Years later, while I was involved with ACIM, I had a dream where I was leaving the Satsang hall of the guru I used to see. While standing on a stairwell a man shook me vigorously and asked me, "Why did you do it, why did you do it, why did you allow yourself to become brainwashed again?" In the first instant he meant the guru-based group I belonged to. In the second instant he meant ACIM.
That story is awesome, did you know the man or did it not matter what his identity was? I've had some really prophetic dreams over the years and in my 5 months of rapid fire guidance from above they were communicating with me through my dreams too and working out the best communication methods to impart information. I woke up one morning with the words Higgs Boson on my mind, and had to research it. (Its the particle accelerator technology that's splitting the atom) Naturally I was stumped about the relevance to my life so I asked my guides what the relevance was..."Its the role I play when I'm asleep, we each practice being the possibilities of consciousness as waves in the universe, showing up where consciousness is needed."
I woke up with the name 'Eric' on my mind one morning and was being referred to as that by beings I had interacted with in my dream. I found out in a session a while later that he was a past life where I was a homeless boy (street urchin he called himself) in London in 1735 who died of TB.

Afterwards, several times during meditation, I prayed to God and Christ and asked if ACIM comes from Christ, and in each case I was told in a visual symbolic way, "no." I know of other people who have been told the same.
You receive guidance in your meditations, that's fabulous and to be given such clear advice on the matter is a huge blessing.
I have difficulty with the word 'God' and the idea of Christ. I think they have been grossly misrepresented, misused and created in the image of men. For one the creator or source, is not male and for another it is not human in my experience. I even had an OBE where I was standing watching all these religious people marching in blind obedience and was encouraged to let go of any beliefs about religion because it was holding me back.

ACIM claims that the manifested universe didn't come from God and serves no purpose what so ever.
Pardon my French but wtf?

Supposedly our collective egos (ACIM's version of the Son of God) created the universe as an "attack" against God. ("attack" is a key word that ACIM uses to brainwash people, and ironically, some of the course's followers will attack you if you say anything against ACIM.) Wow that's just madness. Sounds very satanic and a lot like the teachings of the cabal.

According to ACIM a person doesn't need to be concerned about the consequences of their actions, because nothing is real, and therefore nothing exists in a substantial enough way where it truly needs to be forgiven. It claims that forgiveness is a matter of seeing that nothing ever took place that can be forgiven. Wow! Then what is the point of life? I get it that its a simulation but its meant to feel real so we react as ourselves and learn from it. It all just sounds like justification for unconsciousness.

The fact of the matter is that if we want to become spiritually whole, we will eventually need to look at our lives in a very honest way, and acknowledge how we effected others. (consider the life review of near death experiencers) Forgiveness between two people can actually take place, only if it is acknowledged that there is actually something to forgive. When forgiveness takes place in such a way, true spiritual growth can take place. We incarnate in places like this world so we can learn and evolve spiritually, not so we can deny the reality of what we take part in.
Im in absolute agreeance with you and in fact it was one of the main objectives of my 5 months of guidance, was for me to forgive my step father. Not something I'd ever planned to do because I associated that with condoning and permitting his behaviour, and he'd never shown remorse. But what you said about it being 'acknowledged that there is something that requires forgiving' was a real ah ha moment for me and something that was missing even in my OBE where my step father asked me to forgive him. I could tell he was wanting my forgiveness because he had been encouraged to ask for it and not because I could feel any real remorse.


Even this world is nothing but an elaborate elongated dream, the wisdom and growth we obtain by being here is "very real." God has set things up so we can learn to become more like him in our own ways. Again I totally agree, except for the 'he' part.  Grin

Going by some of the things you have written, it sounds as if you have had a more challenging life than me. I must say that overall my life has been quite blessed. The challenges I have had have helped me grow spiritually. I imagine that the challenges you have gone through have helped you grow spiritually. You have developed spiritual muscle that will benefit you for all of eternity. Your life here in this world is much more than a meaningless illusion. You are making a wonderful contribution to the Oneness we are all a part of. Thank you for your sacrifices.
That's one of the sweetest things anyone has ever said to me, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I feel that my life has been a blessing too in many ways. I know from my past lives that I'm no stranger to suffering, so perhaps it takes more each time to wake us up to the illusions of this world. I also think I've been a bit of a push over in past lives and this time I needed to be angry to have that edge to really let go of any naivete or hope that anything here is anything other than a man made belief system. That's not to say its been easy or that I'd do it again. No way, next time, I'd take my own life early on. I don't know if I've made any contributions but I've tried and there have definitely been sacrifices, but Ive been far from angelic in my battles with the dark side, so I think it balances out.   

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Reply #9 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 7:54am
 
Hi Roger
I listened to Peters podcast and WOW! What an amazing man and interesting life he has lead. I can see why you mentioned it with what I wrote. I really felt a kinship with him, some parts of our journeys are quite similar and some of the things he said gave me food for thought so I plan to listen to it again when I can explore my thoughts more.

I made a few notes as I listened so I will comment on them, the first being that he carried on the earth belief that God is a human type man/male being. There is absolutely no evidence of that, why for one would a creative being be only male? Wouldn't it be more likely to be both or neither gender? In my experience the higher up a being is the more genderless they are and insist on being. Spirit guides are made up of soul collectives, that are both male and female past lives, and God came before that and is beyond that. I have found no evidence that god is a man or a human or has anything to do with the religious dogma we humans complicate life with. It blew me away that he would have such a mystical experience and then become religious. But that's just my opinion.

I could really relate with how he felt that life was like a cartoon after that experience and not wanting to take it seriously. Its something I struggle with on a regular basis. But we are here for a reason, we are being tested, our memories are wiped so we will believe this is real and relevant. We will not have all the answers while incarnated, and the answers are not the same for each of us. Some of us are meant to experience love and some of us are meant to be alone. The law of attraction works so long as the things you are trying to attract are meant for you in this life time.

He said I'm here but I'm not from here...that's exactly how I feel and the wiser I get the more I know that is true. I believe it is everyone's truth if they wake up enough.

I too was a paramedic, for 10 years and had many mystical experiences on the job.

He said that he needed that experience to want to be here and I agree, but it made me remember what I was yearning for and sometimes that's too much like a broken heart. But I have to see it as a gift that I am meant to explore and share. They didn't have to show me so much of the other side, but they did and I am blessed because of it. 

Hes a really well spoken man and I really enjoyed his story, thank you for sharing.

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Reply #10 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
Maise:

The man who shook me was like a guide. I have had OBEs with the effects and lucid dreams where I can sense the presence of a guide. The man who shook me dream wasn't lucid.

Regarding God, I don't think of him in an old man in the sky kind of way. I call God "him" because I don't want to call her† Wink "it."

To some degree I still think of God as a father figure. Being human, it is hard to not think of God as having some form of gender. Not too long ago I had a lucid dream that was like a mock NDE. A being that seemed to be God was behind me and I could feel love come from this being, but in this case God was a woman. I think I was being told that is God is beyond gender or some combination of male and female.

I believe Jesus has been misrepresented to some extent. I can't tell you precisely what he is about. I've had experiences with him and even though he felt quite spiritually evolved, he also felt humble, down to earth, and he had a good sense of humor.

Regarding how accurately the Bible represents him, I consider the manner in a verse by verse basis, and allow for human interpretive errors. I believe the Sermon of the Mount and his parables probably represent him quite well. It could be that he told parables with the hope that people would have difficulty passing them on in a way that misrepresents what he said.† He was probably smart enough to realize that people would misrepresent him in various ways.

I prayed to God and Christ when I asked about ACIM, because it claims that it comes from Jesus. Therefore, it made sense to ask Jesus.

Here is an example of one of the symbolic answers I received. I meditated and tuned into love, peace and my spirit self. I asked if ACIM came from Christ. Suddenly I found myself standing in front of a small closet. (nonphysically) There were shelves within this closet. I could see three books on a shelf. One was the Bible, one was the Koran, and I couldn't make out what the third book was. It floated off of the shelf. I could see that it was a copy of ACIM. Four pages came out of the book. There was a lot of red writing on the pages. Many words were crossed out and many corrections were made. I could tell that the red writing meant that within just four pages of the course, a lot of errors can be found.† I figure the same can be said for the rest of the book's pages. †
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Reply #11 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:07pm
 
I would like to add something to my last response to Maise.

I was watching the news and they showed the wild fires in Australia. They showed people who were helping Koala Bears. These bears were quite thirsty and people gave them water.

One of ACIM's lessons says "the natural disaster you see doesn't exist." I don't remember the precise words, and I don't have my copy of the book with me. Whatever the case, this lesson,  along with the other lessons, serve the purpose of brainwashing people to believe that they don't need to become concerned about the difficulties that exist in this world, because they don't exist. I'm certain that the people in Australia that are experiencing wild fire difficulties, will tell you differently. The compassion that some people showed towards Koala Bears, did in fact exist as it took place.
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Reply #12 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 9:53pm
 
I receive information the same way you do, a lot of it is in imagery and symbolism but without ambiguity. Knowingness comes with it. Eventually as I got more proficient the knowing's just came by themselves unless I expressed confusion. 
It's been really good to compare stories with you and know what I have been experiencing is comparable to others. I'm so glad I found this forum.

In my opinion Jesus represented what we could all achieve spiritually and he was an example of what to work toward. Instead people built him up as someone to worship and hold separate and above us mere humans. I think the same of Mohammod, Buddha and Krishna etc. The Dalai Lama even says his role has lost its relevance and people have lost the message to reach up themselves with their own spirit rather than worship his role as something out of our grasp. I have difficulty with holding any human being higher than any other, so its a good thing I'm not likely to meet the queen any time soon and have to curtsey.

Our Koalas have been totally out of character this summer, they are usually quite phobic of humans. I saw the footage of the Koala that climbed on the cyclists bike and had a drink and I thought about that 100th monkey theory. That once one being knows about something (humans have water) that the other koalas had that information available to them too. Its really out of character behaviour, but we haven't had significant rain since the end of summer at the beginning of 2019, so they are getting desperate, plus our high summer temps started 3 months early. I have travelled the full length of my state in the last 2 months and the smoke in both places is horrendous and evident the full length on my flight. Its like the California wild fires but right across our country. Very frightening times as fire fighters discover that the nature of fire has changed. But our government still doesn't believe in climate change.

ACIM advocates sound crazy, how can you dismiss what's is right in front of you? Earthquakes, tsunamis, avalanches, flooding, storms? I'm glad I didn't read it, I might have ended up quite confused.




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Reply #13 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 11:07pm
 
Maise:

For the news I saw, the Koala Bear cyclist clip was shown. I found it on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwf9yQhYVrA

Regarding some ACIM students believing that nothing exists so you don't have to worry about people and other life forms suffering in natural disasters, sometimes people consider a way of thinking that differs from how other people think as deep thinking.

Of course, in order for a person to exist as such a supposed deep thinker, such person has to actually exist. When I was involved with guru-based nondual teachings back in the 1980s, I believed in such a way, partly because it troubled me that so much suffering was taking place within this world. One day I had the insight that all time happens at the same time, therefore, when I reach a state beyond the problems of this world, I'll find that all other people have done the same.

In a way I still believe that this is true, however, I also realize that since I have to experience my life for better or worse, then so does everybody else, even if our moment of transcending this realm that includes suffering happens in the same now.
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Im not sure I understand what non dual thinking is?
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