Truly here we have the substance of why I gave this thread wide berth. Tends to get personal and I've little patience thereof.

First up, and most importantly, is there are blue popsicles for any who so desire. Your life paths are your own and I do not / will not interfere.

Next is a reminder the mirror is polished.

And in this, a nudge: it may be time for human consciousness to move on. Some explorers here feel this. A new level of commitment is required in the interspheres. We are changing our attention. The mirror is polished.

Have we not come here to explore, to play, to discover? That I come here to report on my journey might be good news to some. To others, to those who wish to remain in the old ways, I can make no account.

For I know who I am and none will ever tell me who I must be for them. Many a time on this very board I state: go look for yourself. Who has done so or who will is none of my concern. If what I report doesn't exist in your books or your teachings then you are free to please yourself as you see fit.

Please not to take me for a fool, Albert.

Morrighan:

I'm not certain of what you mean by not taking you for a fool--I could've said what I thought on another thread, but I didn't want to change the subject of an existing thread, so I started this thread.

Perhaps somebody might be interested in a reading a perspective that basically contends that even evolved people and spirits can learn from others, without being inferior in some way. As far as I'm concerned, not being willing to learn from others is an ego trip. A person really paints his or herself into a corner with such an approach. Sometimes we need someone other than our self to show us a perspective we aren't likely to consider for ourselves.

Why do you write posts? Possibly because you expect people to learn from you. Yet, you believe that you are beyond learning from others. I've put a lot of time and effort into my spiritual growth, but there is no way I am going to act like I am beyond learning from others. If a person believes that he or she is beyond learning from others, I don't think I'll try to learn from that person. I don't want to paint myself into the same corner that person has painted his or her self into. You are just one small leaf on a very big tree, and that tree existed long before you existed.

Morrighan wrote on Jul 8^th, 2017 at 5:11pm:

Morrighan:

Let's just agree to disagree, okay?

Morrighan wrote on Jul 8^th, 2017 at 7:46pm:

And in this exchange may be observed what occurs when a belief system is presumed to trump all. The thesis in the original post - and repeated without major variation - makes no allowance for counterpoint. And in this can be perceived a retriever's difficulties with hollow heavens and other belief system territories.

What I put forth is more subtle, apparently.

I am who teaches me. Strictly on the lines of retrievals: one learns by doing. No sum of well-intentioned instructions / guidance substitutes for experience. There is no teacher with any sum of experience who can magically transfer experience and skill to me. Do or do not.

There comes a day in our live we leave school. If our teachers were good we left with the tools to go as far as we wish. More accurately: if the student is good ....

What's flawed, I find, is not the learning process but the student teacher relationship, and remaining in the teacher-student relationship. To me, the entire belief system that anyone outside us knows more than we do is odious. There is no outside outside. We are the ones we've been waiting for.

There was a professor in grad school who was an absolute terror. Our class was comprised of seven hand-picked students from the whole of the student body. Admission to the program was awful. Completing the program was pure hell.

About a week before the program's conclusion the professor took us all out to lunch on his dime. You are colleagues now, he says.

And so we reach equity with our professor. We ceased to be students that day. We were conferred with the responsibility to go forward and create. Not hang around school. Go out and do what we intend to do. To create.

We are done with our teachers when we take the mantle of equity. For me this means I hold equity with every teacher I ever had. The difference is I went out into the world and did. That does not mean I stopped learning. It means I stopped learning from them, or looking outside myself for enlightenment or who knows whut.  It can be a rude awakening when the student of spirituality discovers his teacher kicks his dog, yes?

No more teachers, no more books, no more teacher's dirty looks.

The mirror is polished, Albert.

("Teacher" is not on my CV.)

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Morrighan wrote on Jul 8^th, 2017 at 3:38pm:


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