rondele wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 7:39pm:


Some people are intrinsically evil and do not need an outside influence to become evil.

  Alan, did you read my outline about how Swedenborg might have been perceiving other dimensions that the physical Earth dimension (the 3rd) is connected to, and connected these other dimensions with the physical planets? 

  He is not the first source to talk about such connections. Many centuries before him, Plato talked about similar theories. Plato was another brilliant mind.

Then after Swedenborg, both Rudolph Steiner and Edgar Cayce also talked about similar connections. Steiner said some questionable things here and there, but it's clear he had some real abilities. 

Think about it this way--everything natural that we perceive in the physical, has it's nonphysical/consciousness counterpart in other dimensions. For humans, we have our Souls.  For trees, plants, etc there are the fairies, gnomes, and woodchuck Souls that imbue these living things.  Well, Planets might seem dead to us on the physical level, but they have their own "Soul" to in a sense. 

  Each Planet in our Solar system, is like a specific major dimension in a system that the physical Earth is only one level of.  Edgar Cayce's guidance said that in our system, there are 8 dimensions, with the 8th being a doorway/gateway into other, more expanded systems (the Star Arcturus).  Hence, in a sense, there are 7 main dimensions directly connect to our system. 

   It's very possible that Swedenborg was perceiving these truths of other dimensions with a connection to our physical planets, but overly materializing them.  The point is, there is a "afterlife" dimensional equivalent of "Mercury" where a collection of Souls are focused in, and that dimension has certain traits, properties, attributes.  Mercury for this instance is the dimension of the mind and of information. Its connected to the "all or no time" that people connected to Bob Monroe and his Institute call "Focus 15".  Here, you can view anything that has every happened in human history, as well as probable futures.  Among other things. 

   Swedenborg wasn't so much outright lying, as somewhat misinterpreting and garbling a bit.  He was a pioneer at a time when there was very, very, very little direct knowledge about the nonphysical.  He was one of the original "Bob Monroe's", well before Bob Monroe, but more attached to religion than was Bob.

  Among other things, I started looking into and researching astrology at age 13, and now I'm almost 40.  I can definitely say there is something to astrology over the many years of my experience/research/practice. For some years, I did free charts for people, and most of the time, people were amazed by the insights into their character and life.  The reason why, is because we live in a reality of fundamental Oneness, where one level can reflect or mirror another level.

Particularly with the physical Planets, they directly represent these other afterlife dimensions that we move and phase through as we spiritually grow in or degrade through our physical lives as we use our Creator given Will.  I've come to view astrology NOT as a CAUSE, but an effect--more specifically a symbolic consciousness language of effects and indications.  Sort of like hands on a giant cosmic clock.  Neither the physical Planets nor the "signs" directly cause anything, but as the Bible states, "The Sun, Moon, and Stars were given [by the Creator] as SIGNS".

  The consistently friendly, kind, more regularly loving of us, phase to the 4 dimension after their physical body dies, which is represented by Venus primarily. But, the interesting thing is, each of the 7 major dimensions, also each have 7 sub dimensions within them.  These all have their symbolic correspondence to a different Planet in our Solar system. 

  If a person wants to know what dimension they came into the Earth from--it's easy to find out--most often, it's either the Planet in their astrological chart, which is closest to their what astrologers call the Ascendant or Rising degree, or to the Mid Heaven degree, or otherwise the most strong and highlighted Planet.  The great thing though, is that we have freewill and can grow beyond that.  We may have come here from the dimension that say Venus symbolizes, BUT, if we live our life right and make positive choices in a consistent sense, when we leave the Earth, we may phase into the dimension that say Jupiter or the Sun represents (both of these are much more expanded and more Universally Love attuned than the dimension that Venus represents). 

  Note that even Paul in the NT talked about the different levels of heaven.  He stated that he had an OBE type experience and was brought to the 3rd heaven (I suspect that he was experiencing the 3rd sub dimension of the 4th dimension).  These ARE the different nonphysical dimensions, and the physical Earth is very much part of and connected to this whole system.

   I realize this is kind of a different and odd way for most to look at our reality, but astrology is as old as humans, and many, many, many different cultures had their version of same.  The Bible actually supports proper astrological use, but at the same time denounces improper astrological use. Such an improper astrological use, would be to try to predict someone's future based on astrology.  One runs into a lot of potential problems and issues with such a use, and often people will be inaccurate.  It's not good form, and potentially harmful, to give people inaccurate information which can overly affect their lives in a negative way.  This is why the Bible was/is against the "divination" aspect of astrology.  Yet, the 3 Wise men that came to visit and give gifts to the baby Yeshua, were most definitely astrologers and philosophers from places like Persia where these beliefs were central to their overall philosophy ("We saw his Star").  Then there are the the different quotes about the different Stars, or that the Sun, Moon, and Stars were given by the Creator as signs in the Bible. 

  The problem that astrology and astrologers run into, is that people have freewill.  A person's chart might outline their strongest tendencies and character traits, but people can and do change by using their Creator given will.  Edgar Cayce's guidance talked a fair amount about and supported astrology, BUT they ever, ever cautioned that the will of humans was the most important aspect, and could override any astrological indications of tendency. 

   A much more accurate and up to date way to read people and their Souls, is that of Aura. Unlike an astrological chart, which a fixed snap shot in space/time of their Soul in a symbolic form, the Aura of a person changes constantly according to how a person uses or abuses their Will. The frequency of the colors indicate either growth or stagnation.  The closer to the violet, golden, and especially the White Light a person's aura becomes, the more they are growing.  The closer to the red and severe lack of Light (perceived as black or darkness), the more they are retarding spiritually. 

  Most of us though, are a curious admixture of both slow, mid, and high vibratory influences/traits, and our aura's show this correspondingly with various different colors and tones. There are very, very, very few people walking around with completely pure, brilliant, White Light auras in a consistent sense.  Such a person, would be like Yeshua, completely a pure channel of what Bruce calls PUL (Pure, Unconditional Love). 

   

While human Robert Monroe made contact with his spirit friends, Bruce Moen did so, I have done so, and so have others. I understand being careful and using discrimination, but is it really wrong for people to make contact with spirit friends--beings they knew before then incarnated in this world?

I'm curious. How do you know anyone is who they are?

rondele wrote on Apr 18^th, 2017 at 8:05pm:


Recently I said this to Goldyflocks, "Also, when you open up self in meditation, it's important to pray/set an intention to only open up yourself to and communicate and commune with helpful, loving, constructive sources that have your best interests in mind."

  Such prayers are powerful. Reality works on two main principles, Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, and the Biblical injunction of "ask and you shall receive, knock and it shall be opened etc"

   When we just meditate or make the intention of communicating with "guidance" in an open ended way, most often, what we attract to us as far as "guidance" or in general, works on a Like attracts and begets Like basis.  That's great if you're really attuned to Love, very positive, and very balanced. 

  Since most of us don't fall under that and rarely all the time, we need to use the Biblically talked about method of specific asking for. 

  If you specifically pray/intend/ask to communicate and commune with only the most helpful, loving, aware, creative-constructive sources and those these may send, then you cover your bases.  It helps to set up a powerful, automatic shielding from potentially hindering sources. Especially if you ask the above with help in that.

Having faith in this process, and knowing your prayers will be answered, is also an important part of the process as well.   

Most of the outer sources that I've come across that have struck me as rather off in some ways, didn't go into communication with "guidance" in similar kind of way.  For example, one approached it via Ouija board. The person who did so, was a sensationalist, whom just wanted contact and experience with something unusual and non material. Also was overly attached to fame/notoriety. All the above conspired to attract a clever, but deceptive and hindering source. 

  Otherwise, if one is taking the necessary, pragmatic precautions as talked about above, no need for fear.  And this coming from someone who use to meditate and open self up in an unwise manner and had major difficulties partially from it (strong, constant, and hard to shake suicidal thoughts and feelings).  Lo and behold, when I asked the most expanded, loving, helpful, etc sources for protection and help, it was like a major weight was lifted. 

  Instead of advocating fear and caution, why not instead stress proper and helpful methods?  You seem to be open minded to the Bible at the least, well some of the above is Biblically based.  You seem to respect Albert.  Do you think Albert is in touch with negative/hindering nonphysicals and/or can't tell the difference between Love based individuals and those that seek to bring us down?  Part of what helps Albert besides being who and how he is, is that often he seeks specifically/consciously to communicate with God, Christ, his higher self, and individuals one with these. 

  That is similar to what I advocate when praying/intending to communicate and commune with only the most loving, helpful, spiritual, expanded, etc sources.

Hi Roger,

That's a really good question.  I don't know as though there is a simple answer, especially from our human perspective.   

I think it is the intent or motivation beneath the action that counts in whether or not our consciousness evolves in beneficial ways.  Universal intent or purpose has no adversary, meaning that the creative principal in the universe evolves and functions unhindered towards what I'll call love.  That is its intent, function and purpose and nothing can be in opposition.  This is what I believe to be pure potential that exists beneath a system of consciousness of which we as an individualized consciousness are a part of.  We are like worker bees helping this system to evolve.  We do this by evolving our own consciousness, which in turns helps the greater system to further evolve toward love.  Since the ELS has been around for quite awhile, what we do here (learning by experiencing separation and duality) must be working otherwise it would be in opposition to universal intent and would die out, or be eliminated one way or another. 

We can recognize changes in our state of consciousness easier when we are "in" a physical body because of the body's natural reactionary feedback mechanisms that produce hormones that we experience as pain or pleasure, which is probably one of the main reasons we are here in the ELS.  Not always, but sometimes this can be confusing to us because even when our intent or motivation is harmful and the resulting action taken causes harm to another person, pleasure can be felt.  The reason is because it is the movement of energy through the body that feels good.  This is true for both positive and negative emotions.  It is the expression of them that can produce pleasure.

Another example is the words we speak and how we say them.  A set of words has a normally accepted meaning, but the way in which we convey them can change their meaning considerably depending on the energy of our feelings.  How we deliver those words conveys exactly what we intend.  For example, one can say "I love you" with love, or with repugnance, or with pleading, or with a false tone that actually means "I hate you."  We can have any number of different intentions beneath the words we speak as well as the actions we take. 

Some of our higher wants and desires come from good intent, but may also serve the purpose of assuaging fear.  When our intent is also to assuage fear we have cross-purposes that interfere with our creativity and we find it difficult to create what we want.  However, when what we truly want is aligned with universal purpose, no adversary exists and the creative principal in the universe can function unhindered and I think this may have been what ES was getting at when he said, " these states only become true or real when they are experienced through actions that reflect them" or in other words whenever we have good/loving intent, and it is experienced by taking appropriate action that reflects that intent, do we align with universal intent/purpose of evolving towards love, does the quality of our consciousness evolve.  Clearly it is a slow process, but apparently incarnating as a human speeds things along in ways that are beneficial.

It makes sense to me that everyone at the very core of their being is pure potential, or God stuff, a mystical essence or substance where there's an underlying intent to evolve according to universal purpose.  Our core consists of more intrinsic qualities of course, but this is getting long.  As that potential, the beginning state of a soul, interacts within various systems, realities, etc., it's state changes to where it becomes individualized consciousness according to its experiences and the entity learns, progresses, evolves. 

I'm not aware of ES discussing reincarnation, but that doesn't mean he didn't.  I know there's been a lot of discussion both for and against on this board.  Personally, it's never been a big issue for me.  I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be possible.

K

  For a real life example of a human whose Soul came here from the dimension that Jupiter corresponds to, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. is one such "Jupitarian".  In his chart, Jupiter is the planet closest to his Ascendant/Rising degree. He indeed led a very combo Jupitarian, Venusian, Capricorn, Taurean, and Piscean lifetime (his strongest symbols).

    I think he probably phased into the Solar and/or Arcturian dimensions after he left here. Perhaps he is one of those whom had already left this system for more expanded ones and then came back for service reasons. 

  I haven't looked at the special kind of Star charts that would show that, via mainly Arcturus's condition/position in his chart.

   This knowledge is actually very ancient knowledge.  The earlier Egyptians knew of these Planet and Stellar to dimensional connections. It was a central part of their belief systems, which later got corrupted. According to Cayce's guidance, a past life influence of his in Egypt, Ra Ta, intuitively figured out all the holistic connections between these different levels and came up with a coherent system, which later became central to the Egyptian religious/spiritual beliefs. .