I guess one could consider that lacking sufficient love/wisdom/experience can create mental instability, and the opposite is also true.

I think that someone with such deficiencies, which would be everyone, at one point or another, could be considered a victim. However, I can also understand why a person would object to the word.

The depths of the pain of mental illness is something that is difficult to describe. If there is a plan to this life, perhaps these kinds of difficult experiences are meant to be a part of it, and who am I to say.

Albert, you're a good guy. We haven't always agreed over the many years, but I admire your spiritual quest and wish you only the best.

R

rondele wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:


  During just the terms of Bush Jr and Obama, there has been more destruction, suffering, and blood shed caused from US meddling than any caused by a combination of all terrorist activities.  Many innocent lives ruined.

  But when western men in a nice suits makes decisions that so negatively affect so many lives, it's not called "terrorism" for some reason. It's just as terrorist oriented as any Islamic extremists willing to kill in the name of their beliefs. 

  I'm of the firm opinion that if there had been less Western meddling and destructive activities in so many parts of the world, especially in the Middle East, there would be less terrorists.  When you bomb other countries to kingdom come, because you want to control their resources or their leader starts to use non US currency to sell oil, etc, then yeah people might start to think of your government as the great oppressor that needs to be brought down. 

   The US in particular as a long list of atrocities towards other nations. The majority of which had no justification other than greed and power grabbing.  And that's only addressing the more well known things and doesn't cover covert operations where the CIA or CIA hired goons go into 3rd and 2nd world countries to destabilize the government or assassinate the popular leader. Activities less known about publicly.

  I suppose just as on an individual level we should first look at self before denouncing others, on a national level it would be wise to do this as well.

    But sometimes those most vocal in denouncing have a definite axe to grind and aren't just speaking out of unconscious ignorance. 

The number of deaths, military and/or civilian, on either side in a conflict has nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of the conflict.

Neither does increased deaths on either side following the entering into the conflict by any nation have anything to do with the rights and wrongs of the conflict.

To claim death rates and the timing of them indicate right and wrong in conflict is just usual leftist nonsense, taken on by the emotional and used by the cunning to manipulate the emotional.

By that emotional logic the Nazis would be the good guys in WWII and the allies would be the bad guys.



Just as nonsensical is to claim Islamic violence is caused by oil or western economic interests.

Islamic violence and terrorism has existed since Islam was born.

When no one in the west had the least interest in Arabia the Islamic Arabs were raiding, murdering, pirating, invading and enslaving western peoples. And doing so right through history, through every century.

Study your history. 

For those of you who do not know your history on Islamic aggression against the west and have no intention of studying it, as most lefties don't, here is a boiled down visual for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ENPy0mqOE

You might also read up on the operation of Barbary Piracy and the Razzia.

Here's a place to start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

The cause of Islamic terrorism is not the Western Nations. If the Western Nations did not exist or were sunk below the sea and all western powers and influence was removed from the Earth, the Islamic nations of the Middle East and Africa would still be terrorising each other as much as they are today. If all the non-Islamic non-western nations of the Earth were likewise removed or had never existed so that only Islamic African and Middle Eastern nations existed, then Islamic nations would still be ravaged by terror, beheadings, burnings, slaughter, stonings, and other murderous mayhem. Terrorisers would still be paddling in blood and gleefully yelling Allah hu Akbar. Because that is Islam. It is what Islam commands and incites, and it happens all over Arabic Islam.

If you doubt that bloodshed, slaughter and oppression is innate within Islam then read your Koran. Page after page of ongoing commandments for Muslims to kill, wage war on, ambush, terrorise, cut and slaughter infidels, who are the enemies of Allah and the firewood of hell.

I could quote hundreds of such incitements and commandments to violence, or list their verse references, but why bother when anyone can browse the Koran and read them for themselves.

Such open ended commandments and incitements to war and murder of Infidels is peppered through the book. There is nothing about being charitable, loving, forgiving, helpful to others except to other Muslims. Non-Muslims are to be waged war on and killed in the ways prescribed, and at best not to be befriended except by pretence in self defence in the effort of Jihad which is obligatory to every Muslim according to his means. Read it for yourself. Why remain ignorant?

That is why Jihadists kill in the way they do, killing infidels and other Muslims whose views differ slightly from their own - because the Koran tells them to do it. Jihadists are just being good Muslims.   

Beliefs are the drivers of individuals and nations. Islam itself is its own driver.

We often hear lefties and Muslims calling for the destruction of western capitalism and for the deaths of the wealthy or wealthiest people.

For example:


But after the wealthiest have been killed - or "taken out" as Justin likes to put it - there will still be the wealthiest of those who are left. There will still be a top 1% of wealthiest people left for jealous hateful people to want dead. So the killing will keep on going. Killing off the most wealthy in the name of "caring" is what "caring socialists" always do when they obtain unbridled power, until those left alive live in oppressed poverty except for those who orchestrated the killing. Look at history. 

The left's hatreds and Islam's hatreds are the same - hatred of the West. It is their shared hatred of the west and their desire to see the west in ruins that unites their sympathies.

It is that shared hatred that makes Muslims leftists, and makes leftists apologists for Islamic hatred and violence. They share the same hatred and the same intent.

They are allies for their cause.

ISIS continues its atrocities and the left wing socialist/communist wannabes say nothing.  Burning men alive in cages, beheading young children and crucifying their headless bodies, raping and then killing young girls, raping wives while forcing their husbands to watch...the list goes on but the leftist loonies say nothing, content to criticize their own country instead.  In short, they never met a dictator they didn't like.  Che Guervero is one of their heroes, not knowing or caring of the killings he had done.

Our colleges are brainwashing the kids to hate our country.  1796 is correct, the islam terrorists were doing their dirty deeds before the USA existed, but of course they know none of this.  These are disaffected people, they wallow in ignorance, content to shout meaningless slogans while keeping their heads wedged in dark and remote places.

If they were in charge during WWII, we'd all be speaking German by now.  They need to educate themselves. Researching Neville Chamberlain would be a start along with the killing fields of Chairman Mao and Stalin. 

Anyone can hate but it takes effort to learn the history of conflict.  Which is why they choose to remain ignorant.  They would rather take money and goods from others than to expend effort to gain things from their own effort. They are stupid enough to believe, as their leader Bernie Sanders says, that the growth of terrorism is due to global warming.

R

rondele wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:19am:


Oh, Wow! Rondele!!!...It seems your inner resentment and anger/hate towards non-Christians is finally revealed!..GMan 

Recoverer, you might think you know what reason, logic and analysis are, but it is clear you don't. You confuse emotion with intellect; you get muddled between what you like and dislike and what you think. Your reasoning follows your feelings, and you think that's good.

Some people are fooled by themselves and by others into thinking and debating emotionally, mistakenly believing it is somehow correct and good, just because it can feel that way when one doesn't know better.

Other people debate emotionally because they see advantages in it over others. They are actually mentally focused but use emotional arguments to manipulate emotional people. 

But there is nothing to be gained down that road, not even for the smart ones, just some feel-good feelings, some fake image and delusional status, and some power and control over others which ultimately amounts to nothing worthwhile.

I understand that in some universities there still exist courses that offer training in logic and analysis, and how to differentiate between reason and fallacious arguments. You might consider such training.