Wouldn't the man at some point wonder what happened to his family/friends who are still physically alive? 

R

rondele wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:44am:


Yes, in many cases they do, and in others they don't. In different cases there are grades of consciousness and realisation ranging from dreamlike habitual living through all sorts of grades and types of awareness.

Family, friends, enemies, crowds, can be manufactured just like the surrounding environment can be manufactured. It can all be a product of the individual's personality. Just like in dreams. Ask someone you dreamed about if they remember the dream. Mostly they don't remember because the dream was your own dream or your own manufacture.

Some people cannot wait to argue with their wife or husband, or to go to work to boss someone around. They itch for the occasion because they have the scene already in them. People's personalities get entangled with other's, so that for every urge and inclination there is a receptive one in the other person. Whether they are together or not the dynamic is often circulating in their mental-emotional body, and the mental-emotional construction draws them together so it can be fully expressed, reciprocated and re-energised. People do much of their loving and arguing as much within themselves in their own imagination as they do with others. All this carries on in the afterlife but seems much more real because the physical world is no longer accessible and all that exists is the mental-emotional world.   

Everyone is different though. As I mentioned elsewhere, some people are more tuned to truth and how things are, and others are enmeshed in fantasy, delusion and projection, and only minimally engaged with reality.

There are stages in the afterlife process. The physical and a vital body are dropped off. The person then lives in a plane or environment corresponding to their mental-emotional body with all its mental-emotional inclinations. Later the mental-emotional body is exhausted and dropped off too, leaving the individual in their body of priorities/values. Each stage of shedding disengages one from that corresponding environment, and tunes one into the environment associated with one's next underlying layer. Each stage carries with it experiences and realisations, although the amount learnt along the way varies between individuals, just like it does in physical life.   

doodad wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:29am:


Ultimately it is what's in the heart that dictates their afterlife state. The heart is where the foundation body is anchored and where the perceived values/priorities are stored. We can feel our values/priorities/importances in the heart when they are offended and hurt or when they are being re-ordered by circumstance against our resistance.

The condition of the heart underpins the mental-emotional bodies, that is, all habits and inclinations of thought follow one's values and priorities as stored in the heart, and emotions and habitual behaviours follow the patterns of habitual thought.

If someone is a fundamental Christian or any other sort of Christian and is loving from the heart and helpful to others, as Christians generally are, then they go to a pleasant place in the heavens just as Christianity promises.

But if someone is a hypocrite and says they are a Christian but they are cruel and vindictive in the heart and actively or passively inflict harm to others, or wish for harm to come to others, then they will experience an environment corresponding to the hateful wishes in their heart.



But Christianity has a fascinating clause in it, and that is repentance and forgiveness.

Repentance is the presenting of one’s sins/transgressions to God, for forgiveness and dissolution.

Repentance is honesty before God.

Repentance is presenting oneself as one is before God. It makes us transparent before God and enables God’s light to penetrate our entire being, even into the darkest corners.

Repentance is like bringing a cleaner into our house and showing him every dirty room and cupboard, then asking him to forgive us and clean our house, and he does so.  


All prayer begins with repentance.

Thoughts are indeed things. Jesus warned us that if we have lust in our heart, it's equivalent to having committed actual adultery.  Same thing goes for any other thought, positive or negative.  The more intense and repetitive the thought, the more it frames the contours of what we'll experience in the afterlife. We really need to keep guard over our mental house.

R

I would like to add to my last post.

Some sources say that souls take part in a consensus lower realm, while some say souls experience there own personal hell.

Bruce Moen wrote of a partnered exploration he did with a lady for which I can't remember her name. Bruce experienced a consensus hell like realm. His exploration experienced souls locked up in their own personal hells.

Which viewpoint is true? Possibly both. You can't draw a conclusion by considering just one way of experiencing.

Consider people who are addicted to alcohol or drugs before they die. Bruce wrote that they end up in respective hells. Some sources that seem trustworthy, such  as George Ritchie's NDE, say that such spirits can end up Earthbound and attach to still alive people who are currently alcoholics or drug addicts. So which version is true? Perhaps both. Perhaps it is a mistake for a person to conclude simply on what he experienced. In order to consolidate what differing sources say, perhaps some supposition is in order.

Regarding souls getting stuck in a hell until they got tired of it, I once did a retrieval of a man who was a Nazi who harmed a lot of people during the holocaust. He was locked into his own personal hell. He merged with me, felt negative at first, I tuned into love, peace and my connection to source as best as I could, and the negative feeling gradually changed to love and peace.

Later on I found out that this man was too locked into his negativity to see things clearly. He wasn't going to admit that he was wrong anytime soon. During the retrieval some of his negative thoughts and energy were cleansed away. This enabled him to become honest about how he lived his life and he moved on.

I've done many retrievals in this way. The question is, what percentage of stuck souls receive such help.

Roger:

I don't determine who I try to retrieve. The friendly beings I work with direct the traffic flow. This seems like a sensible way to do things, because I don't have the ability to see who needs help. It could be that many of the victims of terrorists didn't need help from a human retriever.

This sort of relates, consider what Howard Storm wrote in his book. He was shown one of the places where Nazis killed Jewish people by burning them. This concerned Howard until he saw that these people were greeted by angels after they left the smoke stacks.  I don't believe Howard is a liar. He shared what he experienced.

An interesting side point, on one of his videos Howard said that he doesn't know if he experienced the actual death of the above mentioned Jewish people. It could be that he experienced a simulation that was created so he could understand what took place. There may be other occasions when an out of body experiencer experiences just a simulation, rather than an actual lower realm.

******I noticed that this forum continues to have some difficulties. It seems as if not all of the posts that were written on this thread are still available. [Correction on this point, the pages work in the reverse order of what they used to work.]

rondele wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Okay, I'm usually logged in when I pay a visit here. Whatever the case, I do believe the order has changed from what it used to be.

rondele wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:48pm:

Seagull:

Regarding seeing the attackers as victims, I believe that we are all extensions of one larger Self, call that Self God if you like.

We're all in this together. We're all parts of a very large creative process that results in some parts manifesting in a negative way. If things worked out differently, I might've been one of the parts that manifested in a negative way.

As I said earlier I believe we have free will, but going by how many people manifest in a negative way, avoiding such a way isn't always easy. It comes with the territory. Therefore, a lot of the souls that take on the incarnations that include negative influences, might not succeed in overcoming them. If we consider where we came from and who we are in an expanded sense, when they mess up, so do we.

I think this is one of the reasons I can help with retrievals as I do. When I merge with another soul I don't feel judgment towards that soul. In fact, I feel gratitude towards it because it took on a bigger challenge than I took on.

seagull wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 5:40pm: