Justin, you say you follow the teachings of Jesus so you must also believe that he is our Savior and died on the cross for our sins? As he said this.

Crossbow, as a Christian, do you think the afterlife will be different than what traditional Christianity envisions? After being on this website for a while I think so!

Also what do you make of the other religions who love God with all their heart but dont accept Jesus? Will they get to Heaven? I hope they do

  Your welcome Crossbow.  Yup, that's the idea basically.  Interesting about some of your experiences.  Just with E.T. groups alone, there are so many different ones out there that it would be hard (and pointless) to count.  But, as you touched on there are also various non human and nonphysical beings not necessarily "E.T." who are also involved with the Earth directly.  Truly our Universe is a huge community of many different consciousnesses.  (when i was a child, i had the strange notion of wanting to know and to be friends with all beings and people)

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  Sounds like it.  Indeed an interesting time, and you're right it spans a large time frame, but it's a bit like an irregular sine wave in that there are peaks of intensity within even the general/larger cycle of intensity and great change.   We are currently in and coming to the zenith point of one of those peaks or spikes of more intensity.  Currently, it feels to be about 10 or so more years within this, in the probable sense. 

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  While i don't tend to think of myself as this or that, i completely understand and agree with the sentiment.  Another self of mine was considered more of a "Gentile" during that time, met and was moved by this Teacher of teachers, and i've/we've been "hooked" since in the sense that i know and understand that he was the closest thing to a perfect spiritual pattern of livingness within the Earth. (but i've known and interacted with him many times in the Earth before he was known as "Yeshua", other lives and selves)  Truly when we saw and observed Yeshua, we saw and observed Source expression and "personality" itself in pure, undiluted form.  No other teacher before or since has expressed it so purely and powerfully. 

  Knowing what i know about him, it's natural to look to him as an example and standard to compare oneself in relation to.  It helps one to keep on a straighter and more direct path, if one can live up to it and be honest about self. 

 

Again, very interesting read! Thank You

One reason I believe he is the Saviour is because he fulfilled Old Testamenj prophecies. It was prophesised he would be born of a virgin, born in bethlehem, perform miracles, be crucified, rise from the dead etc.

If he wasnt the Christ why would the apostles be persecuted, tortured and killed for a lie?

But has Christs message about the afterlife been mixed up? Why did he talk about people being saved through faith in him as the Lord and Saviour.

I just want all of this mess in my life cleared up, I cant move on in my life doubting and worrying about the afterlife. Once I trust Jesus exists and the afterlife exists I can move forward and enjoy my life!

  Hi there again Jdee190,

    I suppose it will be actual experience which can help you most to figure out and trust the truth about Yeshua and the afterlife. 

  No one else can fully instill that trust and real knowingness in you.  Others can nudge you in the right direction etc, but not fully create that trust and knowingness. 

  I've had enough experience and guidance messages to convince me of the reality of the nonphysical, and enough of the former to convince me that some outer sources i've been drawn to, are largely correct about these as well.  The two "jibe" more than not.

Jdee said:
1. "Crossbow, as a Christian, do you think the afterlife will be different than what traditional Christianity envisions? After being on this website for a while I think so!

2. Also what do you make of the other religions who love God with all their heart but dont accept Jesus? Will they get to Heaven? I hope they do"

Hello Jdee. I didn't see your post and question yesterday when I posted.

1. If the afterlife was the same in every part, then many people would not like it, because people are different and like different things, and even God can't please all the people all the time. So the afterlife has different places, like Earth has different places. Jesus said his Father's house has many mansions, and he told his disciples that he was going to prepare a place for them. And just like Earth, one can travel around and visit people in other places - with certain restrictions of course, just like Earth.

2. Everyone has an afterlife. There is an afterlife place for people of all religions and all beliefs, attitudes and preferences. I can leave the body and get about, so I have seen many places where people go when they die, and whatever religion or no religion, they are all looked after. Bare in mind that one man's heaven could be another man's hell because he would not like it. By the way, no one suffers hell forever. Hell in its truest sense is our own unhappiness that we make, and it only lasts as long as we keep making it. It will last eternally if we eternally keep doing bad things that harm others and ourselves because we will keep being regretful and causing ourself to pull our hair and gnash our teeth. Religions are progress systems for races and large groups. Each religion was designed to suite the group of people it was presented to. One religion can't suite everyone. Remember Jesus said he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel, and also told his disciples not to waste time teaching his method to the Samaritans and Gentiles but to go to the lost sheep of Israel. This was to direct his method towards those who would best establish and benefit from it. Beliefs are the drivers of people and their societies. Each religion has a method of teaching which includes a mechanism, a set of controls, an engine, a set throttle and gearing, and a speed of progress, and is custom made for the people it is presented to. It has inner and outer parts; a front and a back; a top and bottom. But all have an afterlife because immortality is in the soul, the religion is just the learning/progress system. The religions have to clash with each other. That is expected. Like Islam clashes with Judaism and Christianity. Islam clashes with everyone because it has a scriptural and traditional commitment to war, with ongoing kill commands sprinkled through its scriptures. But even those who murder for their religion still have a place in their heaven, although other people would not enjoy their heaven and prefer to stay in their own. Religions, like motorcars, can slide sideways and run off the road at times. Arabic history and Islam is a fascinating story. If anyone can get about out of body and has the interest, I encourage them to look into its history. But this is a digression.

By the way. The reason it is said that Jesus died for our sins is because he taught forgiveness, the dissolution of sin and all that forgiveness can do, which prior to him, forgiveness was only a vague concept. His teachings were resisted and he was killed for them. Thus he died for teaching the dissolution of sins. Even as he hung dying, he continued to teach by forgiving his persecutors.
It is not so much Jesus per se who is our saviour, but rather his message of love and forgiveness (the Spirit of Christ) that is our saviour. But it doesn't matter if people confuse the message with the messenger and think it is Jesus the man who is the saviour because when they think of Jesus they think of his example of love and forgiveness and thereby take on some of that virtue and start to live it. This is why we should be careful about making a distinction between Jesus and Christ in company with Christians who do not make it or who consider Jesus the man to be the saviour, because it is unnecessary to adjust their attitude and just confusing. Read the three creeds - they are the church's doctrinal/teaching foundations - they explain the Christian concept of the Trinity and the nature of Christ on a scale from most fundamental/material to most essential/abstract/mystical but the concept is not taught like that in church services, only kept basic, because with religion and spirituality it is best to keep it simple so that everyone gets it, but give them a strong foundation and take them to the threshold where individuals can move ahead as they wish. There is more knowledge in the church than many realise. I speak in fundamental terms when ministering to fundamental Christians, and in other terms as suitable when ministering to others. I can speak as a Jew to a Jew, a Hindu to a Hindu, a Muslim as a Muslim, because I see the inside essence of the religion but I speak it according to its outside presentation or inside essence according to the person's requirement. To connect with people we need to understand them and be understood by them. 
I better sign off or I'll go all day. I hope there is some things of interest to think about Jdee.

†bow             

So why do you have doubts Jdee?

You can identify and acknowledge the problem, so it is half defeated already. Such problems as ocd take themselves too seriously. Give it an amusing name. Learn to laugh good humorously at it, and it will wither before you. From there it will be easily managed, even ignored. 

Read up on adrenalin and cortisol, these are the so called fear and anxiety hormones/chemicals. Adrenalin is the acute one, cortisol is the milder but chronic one. They trickle out of the adrenal glands when we perceive or imagine a threat exists or is looming. Adrenalin when threat is immedieate; cortisol when the threat is percieved as looming or maybe. For practical management they can be considered much the same substance - they basically are really. The uncomfortable sensations they give you in the body's belly, throat, and elsewhere, are just physical sensations that mean your physical system is working as it should. Don't mistake these sensations for fear or anxiety as you have come to believe they are - they are not. They just mean you are ready. Do not shy away from any job or task that triggers these sensations, for doing so will train the chemicals to secrete earlier each time and your adrenal-cortisol secretion system will become hyperactive and your shying from tasks to minimise the sensations will steadily box in your life. What ever task gives you the sensations that you have assumed are anxiety/fear, providing it is a good and decent and/or ordinary task to do, ignore the sensations and march right up and do the task. With practice you will learn that these hormonal/chemical sensations are a comfort to you, not a discomfort. These sensations mean your body is well tuned and primed, and your mind is sharp, and you have much energy to use. The energy underlying these sensations is a potent driving energy that will serve you well when you have learnt to use it properly. At the moment you are shying from it because it feels what you have come to think is uncomfortable, and you are misinterpreting its promptings in the wrong direction. Remember, these hormones/chemicals are your friend; the sensations of them in your system means your body is working as it should. Learn to be comfortable with it, even thankful for it.   

Hello jdee, you have lots of responses here to think about. I, personally, don't like to 'label' my person as a 'religious term of your choice' because I believe it puts my spirituality in a box. It can be a way to separate as well as to include our fellow humans. But each to his/her own.

I believe it is important to know what you value, and to place those thoughts 'ahead of you'. What I mean is, picture the outcome you find most personally fulfilling. Move toward that. Bruce Moen suggests that your approach toward 'entities' (which can be thoughts) which disturb you can be to 'see it not there'. And, sometimes we don't actually know what we would like to have in 'its' place.

But, life is your teacher. You must live it and find what suits you as best you can. You can be many people before you 'die'.

To picture yourself, as you are, in a 'heaven' may be true. But would you recognize the you that you will be 20 years from today? You might recognize that person, but consider that person very different from the 'present you'.

In any case, from all that I have read and experienced, I believe you can create a place, right now, in your mind, which would be a 'safe place' for you to go. Then, just trust that. In the afterlife, no one can take you from that safe place without your permission. Ultimately, it is about self-love. Believe in yourself, and just let the rest go, that is, until you feel strong enough inside to handle some new adventures.

Just a few thoughts. Just disregard them if they are not helpful to you. Best to you.

jdee190 wrote on Jul 30^th, 2011 at 8:12pm: