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Reply #360 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 7:48pm
 
doodad wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 6:35pm:
Alan,
  I'm not here to mock you. I thought, and still do, that it was a reasonable question. To me, remote viewing, going out of body/astral projection, physic or medium abilities are all facets of the same thing - namely that we are more than just material beings. I don't see how you can call one good and one bad, regardless of how you define what you say Jesus did. By the same token, Paul went out of body. Philip the deacon was taken "in spirit". I simply wanted an honest and thought out answer that made sense. That I didn't get.


There are no differences, there are plenty of biblical references warning against 'divination and soothsaying' if Alan wanted to read them: e.g Leviticus 19:26-31, Leviticus 20:6, Jeremiah 27:9, Zechariah 10:2 but then there are warnings against just about everything in the bible if one wanted to look for them.
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Reply #361 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 8:13pm
 
  Very much agree with what Doodad wrote recently. These are just different sides of the same coin. They are the perceptive abilities and senses of consciousness being expressed in and interacting with the material world. 

  In and of themselves, they are neither positive or negative.  Like anything in life, it's how you use them and the intentions and motivations behind/within which determine whether they bring consciousness growth, near neutrality, or stagnation/regression. 

   Speaking of that, Alan, i recommend Paul's words about love to you re: this subject.  If one doesn't have Love, then even accurate remote viewing abilities mean nothing.  These are not that important in the grand scheme of things.  What is truly most important is growing in and attuning to Love of the Creator, Yeshua like Love. 

    Why not focus on just being kind, positive, and helpful to others, rather than trying to show off impressive abilities or berating them for their supposed stupidity? 

   When you go before the Elders for your life review and they show you your life from their perspective and the perspective of all those you've interacted with, they will not be impressed by remote viewing, the amount of study, or how forcefully you proclaim things. 

  But they will be very interested in and concerned with those moments when you showed selfless kindness to others, feelings of compassion and empathy, helpful service to others, positive words spoken, etc.

  Every unkind, overly judgmental, or negative (especially purposely hurtful) thing we say, think, and/or do towards others, we will acutely feel, and we will know from their perspective that these were errors that need to be corrected. 

 

   
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Reply #362 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 9:19pm
 
doodad wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 6:35pm:
Alan,
  I'm not here to mock you. I thought, and still do, that it was a reasonable question. To me, remote viewing, going out of body/astral projection, physic or medium abilities are all facets of the same thing - namely that we are more than just material beings. I don't see how you can call one good and one bad, regardless of how you define what you say Jesus did. By the same token, Paul went out of body. Philip the deacon was taken "in spirit". I simply wanted an honest and thought out answer that made sense. That I didn't get.


OOBE is a dangerous practice I know this by personal experience and was trying to inform you to leave it alone
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Reply #363 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 9:28pm
 
1796 wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 7:37pm:
PS. At the time that I felt the connection, I was walking somewhere to do a job and I felt a circle with triangle in it and a triangle with circle in it alternate in my mind. At the time I thought the alternations were of my own creation, caused by a sort of concern that the two might be confused, but I don't know for sure from where those alternations came because I was distracted at the time. But whether the circle or the triangle is inside the other, I think the result is pretty good.   


Why can't you say it was spot on instead of pretty good the reason being I sensed that you, you did not decide that what you would present me, was a circle inside a triangle or a circle with a triangle inside it.

It was not 50% correct it was a 100% correct a lot closer than pretty good don't you thnk?

That is why I said it was it was a triangle with a circle inside of it or the reverse because this is what was going on  in your mind!
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Reply #364 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 9:35pm
 
"1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."
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Reply #365 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 10:03pm
 
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"1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."


Now you are preaching what the heck has that got to do with remote viewing, Justin?  Roll Eyes 



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Reply #366 - Apr 13th, 2016 at 10:24pm
 
  I'm saying that maybe it would behoove you to focus more on yourself and how you interact with others, rather than what others believe, don't believe, their supposed faults, or on remote viewing. I'm saying that Love is what is important, and we're seeing little of that from you of late, but much judgement, scorn, derision, anger, and show-boating.

   I don't view you (or the huge majority of people) in a black and white manner though Alan. I think there is positive mixed in with the limiting, and to some extent, much of what we are seeing is more your body and it's influence than your Soul and Spirit.

   I think when we meet when we both drop these mortal coils, that i will quite enjoy the interaction and perceive much light in relation to  you. Your Spirit has chosen/agreed to, in some ways, a difficult path for you in this life.  This is because both your Spirit and Soul desired to spiritually grow a lot.  I think you have grown a lot.

    Rather than spending the time posting so much here, why not spend some of that time communing with God and Jesus in deep prayer/meditation?  This will bring greater peace, contentedness, and quietness. 


   

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Reply #367 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 12:33am
 
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  I'm saying that maybe it would behoove you to focus more on yourself and how you interact with others, rather than what others believe, don't believe, their supposed faults, or on remote viewing. I'm saying that Love is what is important, and we're seeing little of that from you of late, but much judgement, scorn, derision, anger, and show-boating.

   I don't view you (or the huge majority of people) in a black and white manner though Alan. I think there is positive mixed in with the limiting, and to some extent, much of what we are seeing is more your body and it's influence than your Soul and Spirit.

   I think when we meet when we both drop these mortal coils, that i will quite enjoy the interaction and perceive much light in relation to  you. Your Spirit has chosen/agreed to, in some ways, a difficult path for you in this life.  This is because both your Spirit and Soul desired to spiritually grow a lot.  I think you have grown a lot.

    Rather than spending the time posting so much here, why not spend some of that time communing with God and Jesus in deep prayer/meditation?  This will bring greater peace, contentedness, and quietness. 

 



I will take your advice and unsubscribe from the forum if fear of hurting your very gently soul.


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Reply #368 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 12:43am
 
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  Very much agree with what Doodad wrote recently. These are just different sides of the same coin. They are the perceptive abilities and senses of consciousness being expressed in and interacting with the material world. 

  In and of themselves, they are neither positive or negative.  Like anything in life, it's how you use them and the intentions and motivations behind/within which determine whether they bring consciousness growth, near neutrality, or stagnation/regression. 

   Speaking of that, Alan, i recommend Paul's words about love to you re: this subject.  If one doesn't have Love, then even accurate remote viewing abilities mean nothing.  These are not that important in the grand scheme of things.  What is truly most important is growing in and attuning to Love of the Creator, Yeshua like Love. 

    Why not focus on just being kind, positive, and helpful to others, rather than trying to show off impressive abilities or berating them for their supposed stupidity? 

   When you go before the Elders for your life review and they show you your life from their perspective and the perspective of all those you've interacted with, they will not be impressed by remote viewing, the amount of study, or how forcefully you proclaim things. 

  But they will be very interested in and concerned with those moments when you showed selfless kindness to others, feelings of compassion and empathy, helpful service to others, positive words spoken, etc.

  Every unkind, overly judgmental, or negative (especially purposely hurtful) thing we say, think, and/or do towards others, we will acutely feel, and we will know from their perspective that these were errors that need to be corrected. 

 
   


I know this because I have had two near death experiences one many years's ago when very ill I a coma and the other when I died on the resuscitation table in 2011 and had to by brought back to life.  (Total AV heart Block)

During the first event, I had a partial life review, which was  embarrassing at times and joyful at other I never saw any elders I do not believe we stand in front of elders to be judged that is the sole prerogative of Almighty God at the final Great Judgement seat
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Reply #369 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 12:51am
 
Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 9:28pm:
1796 wrote on Apr 13th, 2016 at 7:37pm:
PS. At the time that I felt the connection, I was walking somewhere to do a job and I felt a circle with triangle in it and a triangle with circle in it alternate in my mind. At the time I thought the alternations were of my own creation, caused by a sort of concern that the two might be confused, but I don't know for sure from where those alternations came because I was distracted at the time. But whether the circle or the triangle is inside the other, I think the result is pretty good.   


Why can't you say it was spot on instead of pretty good the reason being I sensed that you, you did not decide that what you would present me, was a circle inside a triangle or a circle with a triangle inside it.

It was not 50% correct it was a 100% correct a lot closer than pretty good don't you thnk?

That is why I said it was it was a triangle with a circle inside of it or the reverse because this is what was going on  in your mind!


You were spot on. I am not one to overly congratulate or praise men. For me to say something is "pretty good" is quite a compliment. I am Australian remember. We understate achievements; we make light of them. But yes, in this instance I could certainly have said you were spot on. And I do expect the confusion/ambiguity in the communication was mine. You certainly described exactly what was in my mind - the circle and triangle with their alternating as to which was inside the other. Your statement and what you saw is correct.

To others: Consider the odds, the number of possible variables that I could have drawn: A square within a circle, a circle in a square, a cross within and circle, a cross within a square, a heart within a circle, a pentagram within a triangle, a triangle within a square, an oval within a rectangle, ...  etc.

Although Alan has voiced disagreement with me on the subject of out of body excursions and of what I have termed an oversoul, I do not disagree with anything that I have read of Alan's. There are different ways and means of leaving the body; some better and safer than others. For my own part, nowadays, I generally only leave during prayer, and not of my own initiative but mostly only if I am taken. I usually don't seek it; it just occurs. It happened to John on Patmos too, also to some Old Testament writers who reported they were taken in spirit. I think it can happen to anyone if the conditions in their life and psyche are accommodating to it. Forcing it though, in unhealthy ways, like anything that is unhealthily forced, can be counter productive. Also, there is always a "part" of me that remains behind. The body is not vacated in the usual sense of the word. I usually remain conscious of the body. It is usually a sort of stretched out or extended consciousness. Also, I understand fundamental and abstract thought and concepts, and how they come together, blend and graduate. Despite any seeming differences, I have no disagreement with Alan. Neither am I bothered by Alan's blunt words and assertions. He is a man I admire.

I have not read Justine the queen's posts above, but I bet the pretentious prick is feigning holier-than-though standards and trying to belittle Alan.
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Reply #370 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 8:33am
 
Alan, you might remember that several months ago I sent you a PM asking that you return to the forum.  You agreed and I'm glad you did.  I believed then, and I do so more now, that there's a lot of wisdom in what you say. I also respect you and realize that it's a mistake when folks get caught up in your lengthy posts and take the easy path of attacking you rather than reading between the lines.  It's like the old practice of panning for gold....you need to do a lot of sifting before you find the nuggets.  Unfortunately too many people give up and conclude it's a worthless exercise.

I'll also remind you that you did a remote viewing for me as well. You described my house fairly accurately but when you said there was a Buddha statute, I concluded you really missed the boat.  Well, unbeknownst to me, my wife had picked up a Buddhist statuette at a yard sale a few weeks ago and had it in a part of the basement I rarely go in to.  That got my attention!

I'd welcome a return visit.  There's something added to the backyard since last time you were here!

Anyway, glad you're back!  In the meantime just ignore the naysayers.

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Reply #371 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 8:38am
 
Justine?  "Prick?"  Yes 1796. It is all very clear now why you agree with some of the more negative posts on the board.  Birds of a feather flock together. A person alive with the love of Christ and God does not talk this way.  I wonder if you know how often you are coming off as mean and arrogant?  On second thought I don't think you care.
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Reply #372 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 9:31am
 
Negativity does not convince others of any argument. At most, it will make people reluctant to post. Insults serve no objective purpose. I do not post here often, but I like to read open-minded discussions conducted in a spirit of kindness. For that, it is not necessary to agree to any argument you disapprove of, but it is necessary to refrain from such things as calling people "prick" "stupid" and whatnot.
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Reply #373 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 3:29pm
 
  Alan, i did not mean that i thought you should completely leave this place, but rather that putting some of that energy that you're putting into posting, might do more good if you re-direct into other activities like deep prayer/meditation. 

That's all i was trying to say.  I hope that you stay subscribed and still post.

   I've gone through periods where i was not that centered or balanced and posted on here, and ended up regretting it, because i occasionally said things that were hurtful to others.  The best thing for me then, was taking a break, and recentering myself through prayer, meditation, walking in the woods, etc.  I'm in no position to judge you Alan, and wasn't trying to put you down in any way, but trying to nudge you in a different direction, as i could have used some nudging at those points in my life.   

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Reply #374 - Apr 14th, 2016 at 6:05pm
 
rondele wrote on Apr 14th, 2016 at 8:33am:
Alan, you might remember that several months ago I sent you a PM asking that you return to the forum.  You agreed and I'm glad you did.  I believed then, and I do so more now, that there's a lot of wisdom in what you say. I also respect you and realize that it's a mistake when folks get caught up in your lengthy posts and take the easy path of attacking you rather than reading between the lines.  It's like the old practice of panning for gold....you need to do a lot of sifting before you find the nuggets.  Unfortunately too many people give up and conclude it's a worthless exercise.

I'll also remind you that you did a remote viewing for me as well. You described my house fairly accurately but when you said there was a Buddha statute, I concluded you really missed the boat.  Well, unbeknownst to me, my wife had picked up a Buddhist statuette at a yard sale a few weeks ago and had it in a part of the basement I rarely go in to.  That got my attention!

I'd welcome a return visit.  There's something added to the backyard since last time you were here!

Anyway, glad you're back!  In the meantime just ignore the naysayers.

R




I do Rondele and what has been the result , the resuscitation of a clinically dead forum

You are a friend that manages to see the truth behind my sometimes the many trees of unnecessary rhetoric , for which I apologize to the forum about

I can be a very grumpy old man indeed at times!

It is not a manifestation of my of my long gone mania but a reflection of my character I say it how I see it and if I think it is nonsense I do not surround my comments with gentle platitudes I call nonsense, nonsense.

Such as the earth is not flat, or hollow or that George Bush and the British Royal Family are reptilian alien shapeshifters
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