Some sources claim that , physical immortality is the ultimate goal and This earth is the real heaven . Definitely , this is a totally contradictory viewpoint from the Vedantic or ACIM philosophies who profess that this earth life is illusion and dream. People like Bruce Moen wants to come back to earth again and again . Whereas some new age thinkers are totally opposing the idea of reincarnation. So what is the real value / status of earth life?  Physical Immortalists view earth / physical life as Divine and Sacred whereas ACIM people say it is meaningless , illusion and without any purpose. So many contradictory viewpoints !!!!!

Real or illusion depends on your point of view. If you are reading a very absorbing book and are imagining the plot vividly you may still have some awareness of the room around you, but you can be very caught up in the story.

When you put the book down you may forget about it for a time unless you pick it back up, when you can turn to any page and relive it. Later in life you may have less interest in the book, no matter how interesting it was at one time. However, someone else may receive benefit or enjoyment from it.

Now, if you turn the book into a play and act it out, that puts a different spin on it. The creative possibilities are changed. Things can happen, people can go off script on purpose or on accident, the audience can get involved, etc. etc.

Looking out into nature and at our lives one can see how endlessly creative life can be.

From that perspective I can get a small, very tiny glimpse into how "real" and "illusion" are just words. What might be interesting to consider is what endures?

It is clear that the ultimate source of life is very loving, and that love permeates all being. You could say that love is what endures, so love is what is real. 

Our relationships here on earth are just fragments of something much greater, incomprehensively greater. It is helpful to remind oneself of that, so as not to be overwhelmingly disappointed when things don't work out to one's advantage here, which can easily happen.

Cute picture. Looks kind of like me *sometimes* when I'm reading this forum...

1796- I'm guessing the crucifixion was both symbolic and an actual event?  As was perhaps the resurrection?  And even the Christ?

R

<<Every western soul has a body of mind, emotion and physicality that is being steadily crucified upon the cross in their soul - a real cross that grows from out the heart up to the head, and that non-westernised/non-Christianised souls do not have>>

I'm having trouble understanding this.  The original Christians were middle eastern.  What is unique about western souls?  Aren't souls independent of geography?  Or are you saying it's no accident in terms of where they incarnate?

R

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Ha, you and me both. 

   Now, I'm not throwing stones at 1796, as I appreciate what he has to say and hope he fleshes it out. I am very willing to listen and learn. I understand things can be actual events, say the Crucifixion, and also symbolize something else. That is what Christianity says much of the Bible does. For example, Moses' serpent on the pole (if actual) represented Christ.
   What I don't get is how a mythical event can be actual and symbolical. Telling me the Creation story is accurate and symbolical is like telling me the statements "the earth is flat" or "the moon is made of cheese" are accurate and symbolical. As far as being accurate, both statements are falsifiable. They may be symbolical of something, but they are not literally accurate.

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Agreed. I am partial to Christianity myself as I grew up that way and still consider myself a Christian to some extent. However, it seems to me that a Buddhist view of reality, for example, more accurately represents how things really are than the Christian teaching.

Like I said, I'm open to learn. I just don't understand the riddles yet. 

I don't know how 1796 came up with the cross within viewpoint. Perhaps he was shown a symbolic representation. Christ Consciousness (love-based consciousness) abides in all of us (including non-Westerners). It is a matter of whether we avail ourselves to it. I believe that there are a lot of beings that exist at Christ Consciousness level. Such level of existence doesn't belong to one religion. Such level of existence includes tolerance for others.

The below is also from my "Night in Heaven" book.  Should the part about Jesus be considered literally, symbollically, or both?

"On another occasion as I lay in bed awake with my eyes closed I was shown a life-size image of a heavy metal rocker dude. I could see kundalini flowing within him (please see the previous chapter for information about kundalini). He said: “I use my kundalini for evil.” Next I was shown a demonic image of myself. Next I was shown the face of Jesus Christ. At the time I believed this meant that if I’m going to go through the kundalini ascension process, I better make certain I do so with Christ consciousness/love in mind, because the creative aspect of being can be used in different ways. After I started to receive messages about Christ, I figured that perhaps this message also served the purpose of letting me know about Christ."

1796:

I haven't seen what you've seen so I can't confirm things that way.

As two of my earlier posts seem to suggest, it does seem as if it is possible to make an energetic connection to Christ. He might be a representative to the highest level of consciousness and by opening ourselves to him we open up to that level of consciousness. We do have the option of choosing differently, and that option can be quite negative.

Below is some more from my book "A Night in Heaven."

"After becoming clear about the above, I started to wonder who Jesus Christ is. What role did he play while in this world and what role does he play today? One day I went for a walk and directed my thoughts toward God. I told him, “Whatever your will is, I’m respectful towards it. However, I can’t believe what some people believe about Christ, simply because the Bible says so. I would be lying to you and myself if I made such an assertion. I’m well aware that the Bible was put together by numerous men and has gone through a number of translations. Therefore, it might be mistaken about Christ.” When I did this I was sincere about receiving the answer, regardless of what the answer would be.
     It didn’t take long before I started to receive answers. One night as I lay in bed I was shown a crucifix; I asked, “Why?” I was then shown a manikin with no legs, no arms and no head placed on a stand that stood on a department store floor. On this manikin was a sleeveless white fur coat with black polka dots. The meaning of this image might not seem obvious, but I understood it quickly: “They killed him (Jesus), they put him on display, they spotted his reputation.” Next I experienced myself press the high C note on my piano (non-physically). This meant that Christ represents the highest consciousness level there is. Regarding the spot his reputation part of the message, I’ll speak about this in a little while.
     Some of the messages I received were simple. One time I was shown the words, “Jesus saves.” On another occasion I saw the words, “Accept Christ.” One time I was shown a golden crucifix. One night I had a dream where a very loving young lady walked around an amusement park and handed people including me a piece of paper which said: “Jesus saves.” (More about this later, I provide an untypical and nonfundamentalist interpretation of what “Jesus saves” means.)
     During the same period of time I remembered a couple of messages I had received before I told God that I was open to finding out what Christ is about. On one occasion while in a non-physical state I tried to help a stuck spirit  move on towards the light. We stood at the edge of a cliff by an ocean. While I was speaking to him (telepathically) he jumped into the water down below. I jumped in after him and there were a lot of large rocks. I spoke to him while under water, and suddenly we were at the top of the cliff again. I got the impression that he had committed suicide by jumping off the cliff, and was repeating the experience. While I spoke to him a second time at the top of the cliff, he started to ignore me because across a bay to my left (the ocean was to my right), the image of Jesus appeared. Gold light radiated from Jesus and filled the scene. When the man I tried to help saw Jesus he forgot all about me and floated to where Jesus was. It took him a short amount of time to traverse the distance even though it didn't seem as if he moved with great speed. (I guess linear 3D reality had little to do with what I experienced.)
     The gold light that radiated from Jesus wasn't made up of beams of light as one might expect. Instead I saw numerous waves of light. Why? Perhaps because the high-level spirit being I worked with understood that if I saw waves of light rather than expected beams of light, I might be more prone to understand that more than the random meanderings of my subconscious mind were involved. Weight is added to this conclusion when I consider how some of my other retrieval experiences manifested.  I must add that this wasn't a dream. It happened while I was meditating, and the experience was quite conscious.
     
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     During this same time period I started to remember my Night in Heaven experience more completely. I remembered the part where I had found out about Christ. I also remembered that during the experience there was no doubt about what I had understood. I didn’t receive a lot of details, but I understood that the person of Jesus Christ did in fact exist, and in some way he is a part of higher spiritual truth."

I'd like to add something that I didn't say in my book. I've had experiences with the spirit of Jesus and he radiated a really nice feeling.  A level of divinity that people found very pleasing. Yet, he was very humble and down to Earth. He didn't seem like a being who would want to be treated in a worshipful way.