recoverer wrote on May 16^th, 2008 at 4:14pm:


I thought about this big mistake part Recoverer, and I reconciled it in my mind, some of the things you bring up. when I look into a baby's eyes and get lost in that beauty, I cannot say that child is making a mistake to have come here, but at once I know I have this huge responsibility, just from the beauty the child reflected back to me it's joy to be here with me now. I thought it was her soul bearing the message and I thought she recognized me too.
this is my preference to believe we do have other lives, and that what is a mistake, is not the whole world and to come here, but what is a mistake is the pain, the illness, the struggle to survive, the wars, I would call that a mistake.
Anybody read Ruth Montgomery's Futuristic books? this is also another belief I took from her, that one day will come there will be no Earth as we view it now. It will be allowed to go back to it's natural state, meaning no more cities, concrete and chopped down rain forest. It will simply be a drop in station for vacationing beings.
just my belief, take it or leave it.

as far as the necessity or non-necessity of endless reincarnating; I believe in little lites and big lites.
the little ones may need more lives than the others, eventually the little lites become big lites and graduate like the big lites did. I don't know the number. I know of a couple dozen lives I've had, there's probably more.

I cannot say I've had thousands..hard to figure. I picked up another line of thought in regards to that; it is that each of us has between 700 and 1400 (again, an arbitrary number, but commonly, I've noticed people waking up on different forums have around 800 simultaneous lives occurring in different historic periods. so thats not linear reincarnation as we usually look at it.
not clock time. it's more like dimensions of time, time that is not dependent on the rotation of planets to denote a day has gone by.

this is analogous to the disc idea. each person possessing 800 other selves, other lives.
At some point One disc with the 800 individual units, would be able to graduate Earth circumstance.

Or, we should say gain that recognition that we can choose and plan another life, either within the disc selves, or I've heard we can join another disc.

If all my lives I could retrieve a memory or a precognition of, say, each one I have freed from having to re-enter another movie, so we can all graduate at the same time more or less, the thing is when talking about time here, we are limited in our definitions..we have 3 dimensional time, past, present and future here, what I'm talking about is nonlinear time, it's all happening at once.

this having a choice, I figure if you've done a good job here, say, for others, to do your best is all that's required to graduate, or have more of a choice of your next circumstances, until you've just about done it all and there's not much else to do but help others wake up, whomever is around you. You just know when you've earned the right to decide your fate for yourself.

until you earn the choice, your disc mates help you decide if another life is necessary, or sometimes folks like it here..imagine that! my mother wants to come back, so I imagine she will. we have certain desires, desires are not bad things. certain experiences we desire.

eventually all the 800 or whatever have gathered all they want to and speed out somewhere else, don't ask me where...must be a really huge universe after all, if you are the adventurous sort...

speaking of my twin daughters and I, they are like other me's. I know we're in the same disc and have been together before. they also knew I'd never come here without them joining me at some point.
these are just explorations of my beliefs, not meant to rile anybody up. take it or leave. at least I'm not charging you money! lol!
love, alysia

When I look at your invite post, I thought you had 6:00 pst in mind. Some people might get confused.  

I don't believe the time should be changed for my sake.  I can't partake during working hours. It is one thing to drop in and read or write a thread, and another thing to partake in a conversation. Thank you anyway.  

Actually, perhaps sometime I can use my lunch break to partake for a little while. I don't believe it would be fair to change the time for Sunday.

Bruce's writings notwithstanding, I do not believe that any one in any circumstance is ever cut off and separated permanently. In my experience even the smallest spark is nurtured and guided, and none is ever lost. It may take some "time" but unless everyone goes, IMO, none of us go. It is in every one of us, not just some of us.

So--to return to my question before the thread was hijacked-- do you find the BSTs thinning out? Do you find 27 getting larger and more diverse? Am I the ONLY one who goes beyond what we call 27?

When you retrieve from the BSTs, do you find them as populated and active as they were, say, a few years ago in earth time? As substantial, or are they dissolving?

Thomas

Greetings,

Hey T, Just because some of us aren't able to answer your question doesn't mean we're not interested !
From the beginning of when you posted here it was clear that you were getting more difficult and different assignments than many of us. You can focus on higher sources of information now.
And feel free to congratulate yourself--you deserve it!

I consider myself an active retriever but still just a novice. I'm escorted to the retrievee and the most other souls I've seen or sensed has been no more than five at a time. FL population is beyond me!

Oh, by the way, Congratulations ! 

Bets

Hi again,

Do we know what portions we get to see? Could there be different areas even within the Focus Levels that are visible to each person based on other reasons than their actual population? 
Isn't everything we see and do there relative to our own need to know?

Bets

Alan has me in stitches, Bets, thats a really good comment about we see what are ready to see, or prepared to let in.

as regarding the focus levels, I've never attended TMI so I had to impress myself with the meaning of the focus levels by reading of people who had been there. thats why I drag out my file on them from time to time to remind myself of the general explanation given by Monroe.

I think, generally speaking, the levels are labels for states of consciousness, but once you do an exploration or a retrieval to a BST, there are no signposts that say "attention!" approaching BST number 24, enter with caution!

It's more like with me I'm just there. poof. Some retrievals would happen in rem sleep. I'd be standing on somebody's porch, wondering why, so I'd knock on the door and suddenly remember I had set an intention to do this retrieval.
It didn't seem important to find out which BST it was, it was just the astral plane to me.

However, I think the focus levels are extremely helpful to have some sort of bearings, and ways of communicating to other retrievers and explorers. For the most part, retrievers who actually talk about doing retrievals are not coming in droves here.

To try and answer your question TG, I have noticed focus 27 seems much much larger and expansive then when I first saw it. when I do realize that's where I am. It's so large, I haven't seen all of it. I like the library, the reception area, the rehab hospital, and the horizon is picture perfect, the park is serene. I know it's bigger than I seen it or can imagine.

I was told retrievals are only the beginning of something far larger. I can do them, but I don't pick which ones to do. they are picked for me, such as spirit tells me, or a brother or sister calls on me who just can't seem to understand when I tell them how, so I'll go see what I can get if Im nudged by spirit.

I was hoping someone would come along and inform us of focus level 33 and beyond, where The Gathering is supposed to be at.
I can feel it, but can't talk about it.

love, alysia