That's funny Alysia, I have at least two details that fit with your trip.

Friday: I intended to be brought to a place where I could be of use, or I could learn something, perhaps a retrieval.
  Then I thought: "Retrieval...is as well a healing...verification would be good...group...ah! The PE group suggested to do a healing or retrieval together, so yes, if it's possible, let's try!"

  After sorting out somehow foggy shapes I saw smooth white surfaces (as in a hospital) and a person in a wheelchair, bent over, I thought is that person unconscious, or dead?
  I saw then a human figure on top of a large moving vehicle, no cabin or roof on it, just the figure sitting or kneeling at a steering wheel. Looked like strangely small person, or maybe it was just because the vehicle was so big, I guess male.
  Then the vehicle changed shape, it became more vertical shaped, the figure still on top, and at the bottom of that apparatus was something like a rotating propeller, or lawn-mower blades. The thing with the guy on it moved slowly around.
  Then these propeller wings, or what it was, rose upwards, and like blossom leaves closed around the guy. I "knew" the guy was moving quickly downwards inside this thing. I moved to the top of it, and it was a very long funnel or shaft, going straight down. I tried to keep track of the guy moving down inside this structure, it wasn't easy.
  I then was in a sort of "thought loop", it was just getting down and down and down, so I broke it as I stated intent to arrive at the end of this moving-down-trip.
  From above, I saw that guy stepping out at the bottom of the funnel like leaving an elevator. He moves into a sort of building, it's upper surface was shaped like a half ellipse, or a      tortoise shell, smooth, regular, like made of concrete; nothing around this object, only blackness. Inside it was gloomy, after the long trip down I thought of a hell place. It was in fact not a good place, weak, yellowish lights like scattered campfires, or like a huge dark casino with no ambient light, only the light of gambling machines, but couldn't make out what it really was, I had much difficulty to stay inside. However, the atmosphere was desolate, hopeless and boring. But it was a well organized place, there were some persons in charge, maintaining a kind of order I couldn't figure out. There where other "guests" or dwellers too, but it wasn't crowded. I remember only to briefly followed him, and when close to him, whispered to him if he'd like to get out of here, and he was willing to.
  I hovered above or on the top of this elliptical gray concrete-like dome, and suddenly had the idea to get him out there through another tunnel. From above, through the top of the structure a transparent cylindric funnel appeared, tracking the guy inside, and when it was around him, he moved fastly upwards. This tunnel-procedure I felt was performed not only by me, but by a group. The guy moved upwards so quickly I couldn't follow him, but I asked him of his name and I received "Wiliam....Trent..." or so.

Saturday: I thought of the PE, and immediately saw this grey dome building again. Then a tree- or branchlike structure appeared, and above it, come from this tree/branch form, an aureole shape in red color.


This was BEFORE I have read Alysias idea to go to the Earth Core, and her PE trip post.

Here are sketches:






Spooky

Hey, i haven't read anything yet as will be trying again tonight. I had one brief encounter on the sunday, it happened way to fast so I dismissed it but gonna post it anyway as it felt quite real. I had just layed down and trying to relax and found myself in front of Alysia! I must have been tired because i couldn't focus and i remember Alysia going Focus! Focus on somthing! Your gonna lose it!! lol next thing i know I am back in bed. I think this was phasing but i totally forgot i was laying down trying to OBE, or that i even had a body, i was just there and only relised where i was physically when i returned. Anyway thats all for now, hopefully some more later!

Ryan

Hi All,
Thank you All for your sharing and your help this weekend.

I had company for the weekend and did not get down to the PE untill Sunday night Mon morning. I first went to the crystal and saw who I took to be Laffinrain. Also a black man and an East Indian looking man. There were others there also but these were who I put my attention on. I was finding it difficult to stay at the crystal and moved away soon after getting there with little communication with others. I went off and did a retrieval. It was so clear and although it took some time, it was in my view, successful. Clear as day when I woke up and I remembered everthing. I was looking very forward to sharing this morning with All of you. Weird thing was as soon as I went over the details while still in bed I felt a strong urge to return to the retrieval area as something was amiss or incomplete. I did so and found yet another part of the being that needed to be assisted in moving to the belief areas. I told him(?) that there would be no harm in coming and that I would show the way. We went to focus 23 area and off he dropped. When I returned to C1, I could not remember the first experience and am still attempting to recall it. Weird, as it was so clear at first.
Has anyone alse had the experience of a retrieval when there was more than one of the disk group to retreave at the same time?
Joe

Joe said: Has anyone alse had the experience of a retrieval when there was more than one of the disk group to retreave at the same time?
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not I but I heard of a case. it could be also broken off aspects of a single life. hard to explain at this point of evolution.

this case I heard of, a man was retrieved by several retrievers in training, I believe, I wasn't there, this is hearsay, but as we've been studying, we can have aspects of ourselves situated in different locations, such as Bruce explained how he left aspects of self with each party of a gathering, by way of assisting them.

its a little like spreading oneself around I suppose, like our Ryan here saw me in front of him, we could say it was my aspect which wanted to reach him and did.

well, to continue, this man had a very good side which was persuaded to go with the retrievers to focus 23 or 27, his rightful place, as the lift off occurred, an addictive aspect of himself broke away and went to a bar down to the physical realms (not down, but will say sideral dimension I suppose, as theres really no up or down.

the addictive aspect would not be allowed where the man was taken, it wouldn't be able to vibrate at the same rate of consciousness. so I don't see this case as disc member, but perhaps fragments of consciousness? imbued with will?

then as i read esoteric stuff from way back, they would say to me the addicted shade, or fragment gradually gets less and less objective, less and less viable with life sustaining properties the less that this aspect can find like-minded physical people to hover over to sustain an addiction. sounds sick I know, it is. eventually it becomes like a floater and I don't know what happens to it. i don't think the folks we retrieve are these type of shades, like alternate personalities as they do not have the main body of conscious awareness that the "better half" did.

another answer is that upon occassion a soul will split itself into two lives, as per the book Destiny of Souls. this is rare, but there are ambitious souls who do this, to split themselves into two to get more gain from Earth. In that case two retrievals could be performed and it could be the same soul, different locations, or time periods.

for another, more personal example, my exploration partner uncovered two of me.
one was an extrovert, one was an introvert. each had a form, each expressed herself differently.    over time as in my case a reintegration can take place if I would not deny the introvert existed. by accepting her, although she was disagreeable, I integrated her, my PE partner in essence had done a retrieval on the living person, me.  that way when I depart, I won't need to be retrieved twice! haha! hopefully I will know I'm dead and won't need retrieval, cross fingers!

Just wanted to mention in

regards to Spooky's images

that I once watched my neighbor across the street die, (except that I was in my bed 'asleep.' )  He also was approached by a flying contraption that had flaps that opened and he floated inside. Then the flaps closed and the contraption took off.
I didn't follow him as Spooky did, as it happened decades before I knew of such.
But his death at that time was certainly verified.

These 'contraptions' seem to indicate that we are encased in some protective covering for the trip into the afterlife. It must be necessary. When we go OB we are told to ask for or envision some type of protection, but it's easy to get careless and forget. Moen/Monroe's 'phasing'/'imagination method' seems to get us around with less trouble.  Just a word to the wise...

Love, Bets

Hi Bets, the contraption reminds me of chariots swinging low. I think a higher vibrating soul would go directly to All That Is.
the contraptions and swinging chariots I believe are the biological brain signals offering information of what the soul body is perceiving, for which it has no other way to communicate due to this kind of experience is brand new and must be adapted to our language, our symbolic language. I should say the interpretor has a hand in these symbols most definetely.

the more I ponder these things, the more I realize I'm in a movie, a starring role, even if I'm a baglady or a queen. we are all one.
I hope I can take dictation from the cue master.

spooky2 wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2007 at 6:56pm:

Hi Spooky, remember that part in Bruce's books where the explorer did his first retrieval in class and he saw the Star Trek ship? then he rejected the interpretation given by the perceiver as a Star Trek ship. its like if I see a pink elephant I would tend to reject that too. somehow, call it hanging in, whatever, the ship changed into a regular airplane, then that was more acceptable, I think he was instructed to be patient, or nudge it aside, the image kept returning (conscious mind) until it changed to an airplane that a man was inside, still flying this airplane in the astral. a retrieval was successfully performed then.
I don't know why he didn't see an airplane right off the bat. how to perceive what has never been perceived before, how our language deals with that, is the question, I'd just say opening awareness means the brain/interpretors job gets confused with the unknown perceptions which need interpretation. maybe, in some cases, rather than go with it, a blinking out process can happen, it may not fit in our belief system?

maybe the nature of human evolvement into knowledge is just the right amount of effort mixed in with the right amount of relaxation.
anyhoo, this story stuck in my mind as important when I decipher my dream symbols; which btw, I have been known to chew on a symbol written down in my dream log for years, but only if it's a very impressive dream symbol with emotions and drama, etc.

love, alysia