I remember one board member told that he was in the chat room with another one, and they started a remote-viewing experiment, to guess what things are in the field of view of the other. He told it was amazingly accurate. It could be that to have some sort of physical connection (online, phone etc.) could enhance the mind-connection between persons.

Spooky

Yes I'd like to try something like that. My suggestion is two persons are online, one (the "sender") has a bunch of items handy, which the sender puts on his/her desk one after another, and the other one ("receiver") tries to sense what it is. The items shouldn't be too obvious (computer monitor would be too easy), but common enough that the receiver would be able to recognize what it is. Then, at a certain point of time, both persons send the list of items (or the receivers descriptions) to this board (public or PM) simultaneously.

Spooky

First off:    What is tangible?

[definition: real: capable of being treated as fact; "tangible evidence"]

There has been talk of Randi who tries to take possible known factor and to prove it intangible or a non-fact.

If one is looking at a table is that table truly tangible (fact) or not? No the table is not tangible because after 10 minutes one turned their back on that table and now the table is no longer a fact because something else is in view. The table now becomes a memory or intangible (non-fact). This is the reason why Randi wins his case every time.

Why I bring Randi into this thread is because we need to look at what this thread is about: looking at something tangible to ourselves and merge that fact with others to bring a fact forward into reality, if that is possible.

What we bring to the Outer from the Inner will NEVER become a reality as the Inner is intangible (non-fact). This is why people can become upset at a process as what I first wrote about, in this thread, because we, as humans, are taught to reject the intangible as a way for self-preservation.

Even if one has an intimate live in partner there is no way to come to a real (tangible) way of finding a common ground as both parties are so dissimilar. Even if the couple had  expereinces of retrievals, collecting objects or whatever there will still be a disgareement as that what they come in contact is NOT tangible but intangible. Therefore even a couple can never find a common ground for approvals. Is this why breakups are so common?

I think the words 'Tower of Babel (babble)' is so important here as if a common ground is sought Babble takes place and what we know as tangible is no longer tangible in conjunction with others around us.

Has it come down to this where as we become moere civilized then the communication breakdown (babble) is such where our human race is in jeopardy of coming to extinction over the area of what is tangible or not? In otherwords procreation is annihilated by

Suddenly the Tower of Babel came into play:
I just had a telephone call.
I had go go out and perform my usual 10 - 15 min duties in the morning.
I had to perform the usual human functions.
I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  

The Tower of Babel reminds me of the Tower card in the Tarot where that Tower represents a change that destructs.

Why is it the tangible of Partnered Exploration is destructed by the Tower? Are we that human that we destruct the tangible so that we only can grovel for another taste of what we originally had?.... like the best food.. the best of a time on an island... the best of intimacy.. and on and on.

Where is my millions so that I can really play.

The Bleep, The Secret and so on are infomercial scams that offer pipe dreams and feel good momentarily. Why is what we do is always momentary??

I am beyond what is offered. I have reached the highest levels and now face the absolute: rejection.

Where is my millions so that I can really play.

author=withinn link=1174968848/0#5 date=1175362434]First off:    What is tangible?

[definition: real: capable of being treated as fact; "tangible evidence"]

There has been talk of Randi who tries to take possible known factor and to prove it intangible or a non-fact.

If one is looking at a table is that table truly tangible (fact) or not? No the table is not tangible because after 10 minutes one turned their back on that table and now the table is no longer a fact because something else is in view. The table now becomes a memory or intangible (non-fact). This is the reason why Randi wins his case every time.
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sounds logical. this idea is like does the tree in the forest make a sound falling if no one is there to hear it?
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Why I bring Randi into this thread is because we need to look at what this thread is about: looking at something tangible to ourselves and merge that fact with others to bring a fact forward into reality, if that is possible.
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we can all agree on something, but a group who agrees on something, still does not make some personal group truth into a world fact. the way I see it. but I believe in the concept a drop in the bucket soon will fill up the bucket with water.
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What we bring to the Outer from the Inner will NEVER become a reality as the Inner is intangible (non-fact). This is why people can become upset at a process as what I first wrote about, in this thread, because we, as humans, are taught to reject the intangible as a way for self-preservation.
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yes, I suppose self preservation is like the fight or flight syndrom, built into the human dna...I'm waiting for the aliens to change mine..hehehe
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Even if one has an intimate live in partner there is no way to come to a real (tangible) way of finding a common ground as both parties are so dissimilar. Even if the couple had  expereinces of retrievals, collecting objects or whatever there will still be a disgareement as that what they come in contact is NOT tangible but intangible. Therefore even a couple can never find a common ground for approvals. Is this why breakups are so common?
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now you're talking my language or my particular focus for awhile. relationships of intimacy. I look at marriage and divorce statistics and ask myself hard questions. I study polar opposites to see what that's about. it appears we often pick the most unlikely partners, based on attraction, but not on compatibility factors. we get a little too enthusiatic when in love. blinders on you know. the honeymoon must pass, then the work plan is established for each. For me, it's that we pick the one who would be the hardest to forgive because the love that we felt was the greatest we ever felt before, and to have it not be returned, entails a hard struggle to forgive that one, and cast our eyes on a higher type of love, or loving. this process can turn a lump of coal into a diamond, speaking of the soul process. I'm not saying then that marriage should be forever, as that appears to be wishful thinking when you look at statistics, I'm saying marriage is a place you go to, like a college of learning, or collage where we can learn the value of what real love can become, without the whining part, or the jealous part, the splitting up the possessions part, if the two who were as one, can call each other on the phone and talk in civil manner, I consider that they have achieved something successful, to be forgiving, to be releasing that person to their journey of self expression fully.
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I think the words 'Tower of Babel (babble)' is so important here as if a common ground is sought Babble takes place and what we know as tangible is no longer tangible in conjunction with others around us.
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I don't know about the tower of babble, but reminds me of the grid of everyone's voice mixed together; I wonder about this collective sound..I wonder if the sound is flat or sharp as a whole...reminds me of an ocean wave, both shocking and calming.
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Has it come down to this where as we become moere civilized then the communication breakdown (babble) is such where our human race is in jeopardy of coming to extinction over the area of what is tangible or not? In otherwords procreation is annihilated by
Suddenly the Tower of Babel came into play:
I just had a telephone call.
I had go go out and perform my usual 10 - 15 min duties in the morning.
I had to perform the usual human functions.
I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to....  I had to.... 
The Tower of Babel reminds me of the Tower card in the Tarot where that Tower represents a change that destructs.
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why is destruction a force on this planet? like the sun can be destructive if too hot, then thunder can be destructive. perhaps we are to worship neither constructive nor destructive but that it is all here for us to observe and interact with. I personally like to think positive at all times as it feels better to allow myself to enjoy the show. I won't be forever, not as this person.
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Why is it the tangible of Partnered Exploration is destructed by the Tower? Are we that human that we destruct the tangible so that we only can grovel for another taste of what we originally had?.... like the best food.. the best of a time on an island... the best of intimacy.. and on and on.

Where is my millions so that I can really play.

The Bleep, The Secret and so on are infomercial scams that offer pipe dreams and feel good momentarily. Why is what we do is always momentary??

I am beyond what is offered. I have reached the highest levels and now face the absolute: rejection.

Where is my millions so that I can really play.
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sounds beautifully poetic. your left and right brain appear balanced from here, i like it!
Randi does have millions in order to make his play. he kind of flaunts it doesn't he?
somewhere inside of him, he must know that his money has not bought him real satisfaction nor peace and so he plays...

yes I am beyond what is offered too, but I rather enjoy your presence so i hope you might stay awhile, however I know you will do what is best for you and that it's correct. love, alysia
btw, I'm always leaving this board....for about 6 hours is my limit to stay away. lol.





















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Well, when I read the first post I was excited, it sounded like a great fun idea, but by the time I got down the page to the last post (Is the Last Post tangible or intangible I now ask?) I am no longer sure if anyone is going to do this experiment, and am wondering, is anyone out there wanting to do this? It sounds like fun. Even if it is intangible. Vee

What is on my table? I will not move anything until someone tells me.

love, blink

Sorry Blink, not right now, I really have to go to bed!