You guys--

You all are so shy about starting a new thread for the next bi-weekly PE, so I thought I'd get the date out in sight just as a reminder:

____Saturday Feb. 18th. 8 pm-ish_____

How about those who want a partner as some of you discussed, just PM them, but everyone meet at the Crystal first (or later?) so those who aren't partnered get a chance to be included ? Or use this week to discuss options.

A couple of pointers that came up this past week were color isn't so important due to distortions of auras and crystal reflections. Styles might tell more.  What else?---

Have fun!

Bets

(I'm just a remote observer on the 18th due to some migraines.)

Hi Bets

Hope your migraines are subsiding.  It could be eye strain?

Okay - attempt two on my side!  think it's best i not partner anyone; i'll bore their heads off about .. this other book i found .. now you see ... lol joking!  Let you know Monday.

Caryn

Ps:  good questions Stacy - this is the science!

Thanks Bets,

I think you summed it up nicely, easy to follow. I will try the "bridge" idea. That might make a big difference. I will use whatever makes me comfortable..right?

Does chillipepper guy have insight that might help here?

Bets I was hoping that you and augoeideian would take a minute to read my follow up post regarding the Sat PE from the third. You will find it on page 4. I would love to have your interperations of this event and anyone elso who will take a min or two. I need to wrap up the loose ends of this exploration before attemping another one. Thanks a million.

Love, Stacy

ok, lets organize...lol....we got four and counting. Caryn, Bets, Stacy and me. anybody out there get in here fast, the more time u have to think about it the more happens. we only have four days to get the lead out.

Stacy I went to page four of last weeks exploration and I like what you're trying to present, to think on it without having been given any clear cut rules, thats what you're supposed to do, my opinion, and I've never seen anyone put it that clearly.
however I just heard Bruce may put out another book, this on partnered exploration. meanwhile, we keep flying as stacy says, by the seat of our britches!
it is quite possible while washing the car to get a message from spirit, so that counts as a PE, my opinion, unless I'm being too
generalizing.

so Stacy, I came and got you? cool! lots of people say I come and get them, and sometimes I remember, sometimes not, but no doubt I'm a pretty spacey person if that counts for anything.  Focus 21 is the bridge I believe.
we once all planned to meet at the bridge and we can do this if we want.

btw don't limit yourselves about the colors..some of us are more color prone, so we don't want to discourage colors we see, accidently short curcuiting something that wants to come in.

dreaming is to set an intention before sleeping, but the problem is setting a deep enough intention before conking out to sleep. generally 2 minutes of setting intention should do the trick.

imagination is to totally let go and not get too excited what you see, but just excited enough that it's fun whatever you see.

and then with imagination you don't have to grunt very hard like you do with setting intention to dream the exploration.

sorry, I'm not much help I don't feel. another thing, once you have a successful exploration it tends to make you want to have a mini belief system crash, so you back off for awhile to think. thats ok, you just need to digest things.

Hi Stacy thanks for asking me to look at your experience on the 3rd.  If I may give my reply;

You had a very poetic dream and I can see this is dear and means a lot to you, and you say it is not your imagination and I believe in you.

Stacy what I would do now is put your Ego in charge of this situtation.  There are three spirits here - you, your 3 yr old and he.  You seem to be all connected and wandering freely, which is fun, but it might drain your energy a bit and lead to spiritual exhaustion and possibly a feeling of being out of control because the 3yrd old will be forever searching for him and you might get left out on the side.

You are a women now, far more experienced than the 3 yr old with a lot more to offer. Reclaim the 3 yr old back into yourself and with this stand as tall as you can showing the 3 yr old how you are the mistress of the house now.  The 3 yr old will take comfort and rest in this. Even put on a crown of gold upon your head signifying this glory of being you, a women, a mistress of her own life to take charge and be in control.  

When you see your sweetheart again show him your golden crown and he will see you are a women now and belong to yourself, you are your own mistress.  He will see a magnificent women in front of him and should respect this.  Respect is important here and if he is the kind man you have written about he should immediately show you respect and even take order from you because your spirit is true and whole and belongs to you.  See as a women is he enough worthy for you? Be honest with yourself, is he?

Stacy, my contribution given with love.  You might be a bit surprised I am not encouraging you to pander the 3 yr old and follow your dream.  The thing is sometimes we follow this dream and it never materialises and we left with crumbs.  In wearing that golden crown you are in control of the dream and the dream is not in control of you.  It means a lot to you Stacy so therefore rule it with strength and pride.

I'm with you on this Stacy - tell me what you think.

My love to you.
Caryn

 

Hi Stacy

Thank you for the reply.  It does sound like you were what Bets and Alysia (and Bruce) would call 'phasing' which I take to be a out of body projection into a different dimension overlayed with our dimension.  Not quite a dream nor vision but a conscious projection (as I should imagine the PE's are)

Am I correct to say your friend is in spirit...  that is he has passed away?  If so, let's send him our light and love so he may feel at peace with us talking about him.

Stacy, it is good to put your Ego in charge.  Your Ego is you, your control of your will and is what reincarnates in progressing life times.  It is your Ego which says I am in any realm of life.  By recognising this and knowing that you are a woman (as written in my last post) you will experience yourself to be in charge of yourself.

You see, we have various spiritual bodies and there are various spiritual realms - one could get pulled this way and that way without having a strong Ego in charge of all the spiritual bodies when consciously or unconsciously projecting into different realms and it is just as important to have a strong Ego in daily life as well.  Putting your Ego in charge will help not to feel drained of energy, that is split in all directions.  So, imagine yourself to be One (the magnificent woman which you are) instead of bits of pieces of this and that.  There is only one of you right here right now.

With this, we must be careful of been caught up in an illusional dream world.  This illusional is a big difference from spiritual exercises.

Spiritual exercises train the Soul to come into the front by creating a scene in our imagination to include our emotions and senses - here it is important to be an impartial observer of the scene and the impartial obeserver is the Ego.  Also we understand the scene is not real - we are not manifesting a real scene - one could say it is painting a spiritual picture in the sky - just as we paint a picture in life and look at the picture we know it is not alive but looking at the picture stirs up feelings in us. This is good spiritual exercise for the Soul.

Whereas in an illusional dream world, first you are not an impartial observer and second there is a fancy you are actually living in this dream.  It is not practical for the Soul because the Soul is like a baby and if it is not nourished correctly through the Ego it will randomly choose any picture to live in.

Also, it needs to be said there are tricksters living in lower realms who will want to deceive your Ego because they think its fun.  This is not said to scare you but if one is exploring the spiritual worlds one needs to be aware of this.  

Stacy, again my learnings to date which I hope helps you. And now the question is did your friend pass away?

Love
Caryn


Stacy, just an edit - I hope you don't think I am being condescending; if so it's not my intention you helping me figure things out just as much.   

Its my intention to be there..I've been reading along all week but haven't thought of anything to contribute

Its been "that kind of week"..and yesterday, time seemed to really sloooooooooooooow down.  Anyone else notice this?  My BIL came in yesterday and had noticed it too.

augoeideian,

Thank you Caryn for the detailed response. I do not find you condescending at all...no worries. And yes he has been in spirit for some time now. There is another post on this thread I made to Bets. It explains alot more, it is quiet personal but I tried to leave out the emotion and only provide the facts to give further understanding of a very confusing issue. I felt like it was important to include as much info as I could in order for you good people to help me see things more clearly. This is better than therapy!

Phasing, that sounds exactly like what I am doing. I at times do notice a feeling of being overlayed but did not understand it. Should I work on a different method?

As far as ego goes, I think I need to do some further reading on that. Any suggustions? I still feel confused regarding ego, perhaps that is a clue that I need to "pull it together". I am going to put your practice to use 'Imagine yourself to be One", that may help alot. I have always used my imagination to 'survive' now you open my eyes to a whole new use. Why didn't I think of this before, it was right in front of my face. (an 'a ha' moment) Thank you! Does anyone else shed a tear (good tear) at a realization moment, or am I just a big baby? lol

I need to put more thought into what you are saying about 'illusion dream world' and 'spiritual exercises'. I will have to get back with you on that one.

Tricksters, I have put some thought into this.

Q 1: can tricksters mimic the signature vibration of someone we know? I use this method to identify when I can. If the person is in the shadows I will coax them out before approaching any closer. (Caryn, Is this an example of using my ego to control?) I can't feel the energy if they are in shadows which leads me to think that maybe they are just hiding...waiting to see. I engage when the enery reading is right. Any thoughts?

Q 2: can they trick me into thinking that their energy is positive? I have never run across a negative energy 'out there' but I do think that they sure could be. Sometimes when I go to my 'dancing' place I can feel the different energies just out of my reading range. So I stop and I 'feel', all I ever get back is Love, so I keep dancing.

WOW, Thanks Caryn

Much Love, Stacy

Theres five of us in this PE. I'll do it today sometime and maybe tonite too.

its just practice so don't get uptight. Shirley, I'm coming after you; you been hanging back and I need to find you.
actually, I think I met u out there once about a year ago. we were discussing means of getting there. I think I can find you. ok see you guys later. love, alysia

Hello everybody,

I am going to have to sit this one out sorry to say. Kundalini has literally knocked the 'stuffing' out of me this week. I must recharge, I am on the upswing though. I look forward to reading of your adventures!

Love, Stacy

nice going Caryn! I agree with everything u said especially about animal forms and emotions taking form in the astral, right on!  have studied my various pets and noticed how easily they absorb "me." my emotions. have found the way to train them, by training my emotions, through the will of the ego (choice) and they right away are absorbing my thoughts, so it must be the same on the astral planes, astral is also emotional. btw, anyone have a problem with behavior of their pets? PUL trains them into obedience to your will because they know how much they are appreciated for their service to us.

interesting you say thinking of a person will cause them to think of you. so true! its applies to both sides of the veil I'd only add, and this speaks of our oneness, our connecting points to that.

I understand that family ties mean associations of longer duration than 10 years, and in general our spiritual growth commences within family relations, bonds, contracts similiar to karmic ties, yet there are instances of of shocking wakeup calls from meeting a person whom you will never see again in this life, who is passing thru, drops a bomb on you and it effects your whole life, and your memory is awakened as to who you are. so I would say forces of good will operate in hidden places outside the rule of knowing someone for ten years, but in general, I understand what u are saying.

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I have been reading a bit "Otherwhere". there is a purification process the dead undertake, but it looks more like a dropping off the dross we picked up on this side, some stuff we don't need to carry around, maybe some useless attachments to objects, maybe some selfish choices that were made, this gets burned off if they were not able to open their heart chakra during the life. hmm..burn....fires of hell? possibly this is where we got the idea of burning in hell?   not to worry gang, I have been there, and it's a little warm, but there appears some order is going on!
lol, a place for everything, and everything in its place. tidy me.

the deceased can be contacted, but it should be a mutual thing, and it entails the healing of a situation, as in Stacys case, a healing was necessary, or to show her that she was effective, within her child self to induce a heart chakra opening in this person of such magnitude that he was able to advance spiritually to another level through her making that possible...the return was to show her of her spiritual grace inherent in her since birth, through a self retrieval experience.
my self retrieval experiences have shown me the child is flesh and blood and must be integrated into the psyche and allowed its expression of innocense although the body may be very old indeed, it does not matter, we are all children on certain levels, such as I surmise focus 27 is one such level of agelessness expressing.

it is written a child shall lead them.

I do believe that this encounter changed them both for the better, insofar, as we may say laying up treasures in heaven.
that Stacy would bring this story to us, of the magnitude of it's effort to translate is also not an ordinary story we hear often I agree. 

it does seem the disincarnated are inclined to make the first move to clear up any disharmony they were a part of, so they can be free to move on. I observed this in my stepfather coming to my mother and asking forgiveness. I think he stole her house. lol, she also let him steal it. whatever, she said she forgave him and I assume he's ok. they need our forgiveness. we need to give it. in my husbands case, he had a guide with him, at once I knew, he had needed their assistance to come to me. the guide did not interfere, but observed our private conversation. it is wonderful to know these guides and helpers fill the areas out there. yet I may also project who should ask, shall receive is a working law, although, at times you will hear the word, not yet. they are doing something important, wait awhile and knock again.
when such time comes corresponding with the deceased becomes more commonplace we will see not a duality world, but a world united as one, the veil rendered, the allusions of hell dissipated, death seen as it is, a lie.

thank you Stacy for allowing us a peek at your spiritual life, I was inspired to meet you and agree with Caryn that I see beauty in you, and that we are all sisters here that I am allowed to celebrate with.

love, alysia

mmm, yea. same here. got some leftover reactionary stuff I'm working through..its not keeping me awake...

just decided how to face it...by concentrating on somebody elses good concerned and not thinking I will lose in this circumstance, because if they gain, thats supposed to be my gain so how can I be losing?

this concerns money, the thing that produces wars.

I guess sometimes hell calls us but be brave and I am with you Steve!

I just took at look at this thread and discovered a bi weekly PE, and just checking in, the next one would be, March 4, am I right? Can I come? Can I get a partner? What do I do? Thanks. Vee

Hi all 

Awesome post Alysia .. what you and Steve both said about hell (lol Steve and nice refreshing swim !) but it is like that and Alysia you said it so well, the burning off of the dross .. as you said here

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It's when we are in those moments of the pits when we rise up to the challenge, these moments actually seem to energise us into discovering ourselves and our true worth.  Because it makes us have a good look at what helps us or what hinders us and this strengthens us .. like you said Steve we look at what scares us and because we look at it - it doesn't scare us anymore - well not as much cos we recognise it.

Animal life is fascinating.  I came across a writing which said animals were made from the left over etheric material and this is intergrated with the astral level.  Interesting what you say about our emotions projecting into animals Alysia; I often wonder if animals are not the manifestation of our emotions in a collective sense - the birds, the ants, the lions .. lol the whole zoo!

Great stuff we talking here - i love it.  I like what you said about people out of the blue dropping a wakeup call - or there's this feeling of i know you and just one or two words they say suggest or confirm this or what you thinking about at that very moment .. then you never see them again!

Yes, the forces of good-will operating outside of the long term norm relationship.  This must mean there has been a connection and I like how you say hidden places outside the rule.  This makes me think of poetry .. the long term have such a bonding emotion whereas the hidden ones are the inspirations.  maybe i'm getting to poetic here lol.  But it does seem like that.

Stacy, what Alysia wrote about your experience is insightful, it is a retrieval hey.  Your experience Stacy was out of the ordinary and i understand how it is not easy to talk to other people about it.  Over the time I have been here I have felt much warmth (we do have our moments as well though but we should be able to be honest with one another without any offence being taken - its healthy to debate) I think we do have this commanality in understanding or knowing there's far more to life then one can imagine and you are in the right place to feel safe and understood .. as you understand us!   Alysia said a great thing .. your spiritual grace inherent since your birth.   

Sigh .. lol

PUL
C

Caryn..Alysia,

Thank you for the beautiful mention in your posts.

To all of you,

It's the affirmations and encouragement that I receive here that lifts me high, opens me to new possibilities and gives me the courage to jump off that cliff and soar. If ever I could repay such a kindness, consider it my pleasure.

Love, Stacy

The Ballroom dance is a crazy idea! The way i would go about organising it is -

First we have to scrub the Hall down and then decorate it (like everybody knows where it is! have to send maps)
Then we have to plant lots of flowers outside.  Organise the catering and the music.  This might be cheeky but maybe if we ask very very nicely Mozart might come and perform at our ballroom dance.  Here we might be able to ask him is it possible for him to perform as Mozart because he might be doing other things now.  We share the same birthday, when he was Mozart, so he might might be in the same hood as me for me to try ask him, only if he wants too and this is said in good faith and with the correct permission.  Plus better organise it well then so not to waste his time.

It is a crazy idea .. have to think it through some more .. and imagine setting it all up only to sleep through it!!  That's why I think concentrate on cleaning the hall first.

Yes cleaning has its limits! That must have been interesting planting a garden - did it work?

Oh yes, you and Spooky must play (lol Louise is my middle name!).  The reason for thinking about Mozart is to see if we can throw a party for incarnate and disincarnate in a fun and happy environment.

Not sure if it's correct though although I haven't felt it to be wrong.  I think the science will be helpful in understanding disincarnate people further.  I think we do encounter disincarnate people in our sleep, this idea is to bring together in a organised event with other incarnate people to share notes.

Maybe the first couple attempts don't have to be so organised and we concentrate on the colours rather - so we can dance anywhere and see if the colours are recognised then from there see if we can concentrate on a location.

I got a big portion of my problem solved.  This morning, I made a visit to F27 and had an experience that didn't seem all that signifiant at first but it directed my attention to a critical problem in my belief system.  The discovery I made after I woke up left me in tears.

After arriving at F27, I find myself at a very elegant restaurant with a woman greeting me.  She is very enthusiastic about showing me into the restaurant for some dinner.  At this point, I faintly discover that I have a belief in me that makes me afraid of having close relations with women, but I decide to let her escort me along since I am guessing that this is for my own good.  At the table, we are surrounded by dim light and brilliant-wooden pannels on the walls.  The restaurant has a sort of oriental touch to it yet it is hard to define the style since I have seen it in many C1 places.

At the table is another, more casual woman (the other woman is more dressed like she is ready for a date) with curly-blonde hair and a middle-aged appearance.  The casual woman knows me as well.  I ask her "can you (both of you) help me keep my awareness in this world?".  She helps me out by holding her water glass in front of me and offering me a drink. (This is a clue to who she is.)  I do not hesitate for a sip.  I wake up soon after but I am not disappointed.

I should note that the women know me like I am huband.  Dad suggests to me that the glass represents a form of communion as with a church service and I right now I do not fail to consider this possibilty.  If there is two women, could it be possible that the one waiting at the table, dressed casually was my other half of myself that I had been hiding from?

In the dream section of the forum ( http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1172171092 ), I make note of the follwing:

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In the end, all is well since this enabled greater activity in my heart region.  There is still some cleanup left over but this rediscovery went a long way to correct my difficulty with receiving and feeling PUL.  For a some time, I had been feeling dead in the heart.


Steve Ed.

Hi Steve,
that sounds like very good news from you. Every discovery and solution of blockades and/or beliefs which are hindering the free flow of one's full potential makes you more happy.

One detail:
Quote:"I ask her "can you (both of you) help me keep my awareness in this world?".  She helps me out by holding her water glass in front of me and offering me a drink."
In one of my very first trips to Focus 27 I was directed into a little bar; this building was one of the first structures I saw of F 27. I was with a woman who guided me into the bar (this woman has become later a sort of nonphysical wife for me), and there was a barman, a lively guy called Bob. This was all new to me, and they directed me to a little table, and the barman reached a drink to me. He said that it is a special drink which will enhance my perceptive abilities in Focus 27. Of course, I drank it.

Your interpretation that this drink-ritual is a sort of communion or so can very well be true; in any case, it seems this is to say "Hey, you're welcome, have a drink with us, we're friends, remember it, you can always come here to meet us."

Spooky

PS. Hee hee Alysia you have always a fitting smiley handy...

nice vista picture Steve. guess we take a break now and then. freeplay we can do. be sure to post a new thread, maybe we can get it going. I've been having a slightly more relaxed time of it too. talk soon I hope!

Yes Vanayssa, this woman, the first person I met in F27, was the one I met at the PE. I can't remember precisely how she looked that PE-day. Sometimes I like to look at her as if she was physical, sometimes that's not so important. She can change her look just as she and me likes.

Spooky