Greetings---Romain asked:
"Betson; could you please elaborate a bit more on the part here, when you say i can see symbol of the Disk? Somehow i don't get that part...."
Yes, I can see why, because I mispoke. I meant that I can understand how Bruce's disk can be percieved as Higher Self; just as can spooky's vision, which was described elsewhere as like a sunflower. I did not perceive them in Focus 27 unfortunately. Also elsewhere people have written that rising above the HS one can see more than one HS, so partially for that reason I included field of sunflowers. They affect me strongly.   All of this was significant to me because whenever on C1 I've seen a field of sunflowers, something in me forces me to stop and be in awe. The scent of unripe but fully formed head of a sunflower is hypnotic to me. This is not an early imrint from my childhood because where I grew up no sunflowers were grown.  --It was the first time I understood that a 'vision' and a 'version' are so closely related and both are true since they only represent the Truth. Previously I thought each important thing only got one symbol and by recognizing that one symbol we were all drawn together. So my answer was mixed up with my own misperceptions, but it was at a moment of opening awareness for me.

Also Romain stated:
"Page #122 vol 1- "If Joshua were to incarnate again before completely healing he would carry the memories...'
" Does that means that since the HS is a combination of the ALL, that pain ...in other words..is felt by all of our Probes and our disk, or is it just the "INDIVIDUAL PROBE.?? because it also says it will carry the residual memories into future physical body also !! "

Surely it must refer just to the individual, for how could we carry more than we encounter on our own? Heavenhelpus, we would have to be Christ-like, or become bowed and hardened like a beetle!  And there's the proviso that only  if   Joshua/ Bruce does  not  accept the healing would the wound continue. They wanted him to get well.
About the time this book came out, US medicine changed its understanding of the liver and said it could heal.  Previously they had said liver disease was incurable because liver cells did not repair themselves.
What an interesting coincidence, eh?
For both your points, Romain, I get a bit off track, but hopefully others will come and fill out your inquiry.

I certainly think that another forum would be appropriate. I also think that Bruce would approve most whole heartedly. 
My impressions of his light and disc--- I could relate very easily. My first insight to the "astral" was in the form of a cyclic funnel---grey in color that was pulling me in and down toward and opening. Of course, I was only four or five years old at the time.  I've enjoyed five of Bruce's books. And like Marylin-- I too "loan out" my books and don't get all of them back.  My Bob Monroe series is now down in Florida.  They have been with my friend for the past 5 years now.
Yes, yes, yes to the BMBC!!! (Bruce Moen Book Club.

Thank you, alysia,
for all the clarity and knowing !
I am extremely upset however by the thought that my HS felt my decades of pain. I've finally accepted that the pains' causes were self-inflicted, and I certainly wouldn't want that to transfer to others, even as a trickle.
Then comes the question too of why they didn't help if they felt it? When a soul gets itself into such a quagmire, they never sent the solace I so needed--and the teacher i begged for turned out to be  a self-serving witch who mixed up decades of my life with her error-prone advice---what was that all about ?! I'm trying to clear it so I will not carry any residue back when I return, as I've always sensed that might be a problem, but if they felt it, why were they so silent?

oh, we won't get that far off topic Betson. no question is, to say, a wrong question.
my opinion, and it is just my perspective, that the people in our path we have the most problems with are the right people in our life to grow and learn to become independent from those conflicts they generate for us. not to exactly grow away from the people themselves, but only the conflicts and expectations we have around these others and includes the situations.

another thing i noticed about your story above and I am empathising here..and have no idea what you've been thru but it seems to have caused you to be here now, I hope in a better place. the story is brought to mind of one who suffers. foot steps in the sand is the story. the subject is asking god where was god during this trial; at the end the person looks behind and sees gods footsteps in the sand.

for guides, angels, the best teachers - the main rule of thumb from what I've been taught is to set the student free from the teacher; and from what I've read from your story above, the higher self of your mentor may have enacted a fall from grace for your benefit to have you search in another direction. just thinking out loud here of the kinds of illusions we labor under, and believe me I've had many allusions.  deception seems to catapult us into greater areas of discovery but it always entails suffering; but funny I've noticed about the suffering part, even that starts to look not like suffering when the other areas of thought start opening up. the pain starts to look like the other end of itself, like it was all worth it.
well, for what its worth, my higher self does not interfere in my decisions here so I can get a feeling I'm doing it all, and getting stronger on my own. but the best things happen when you ask for help, then it always arrives, but u have to be persistent as the squeaky wheel gets the grease! ha ha!
didn't mean to ramble. I just sense your pain and the pain is always there, but you don't have to let it overwhelm you and cloud out your good judgment.

Also Chuckles, with regards to what you wrote about the funnel that you saw... A few weeks ago I lay down, closed my eyes, and relaxed into my meditation. I very briefly saw what I believe to be "close" to what you saw... I saw this image open up in the 3-D blackness. It looked like purple sparks of swirling light forming a tunnel of sorts that became smaller as it stretched out into the blackness around it. I believe that there were neon blue streaks in there somewhere too. It was very brief at the time, but it was very surreal. I had the same feeling when I was stressed out one day lying in my bed with eyes closed. I remember seeing the moon before me with a surreal myst/fog encircling it... Also, there were 2 balls of bright white light just behind and above the moon... I even remember seeing all of the crater marks on the moon. The "feelings" I got during both experiences were quite similar with respect to the "surrealness/peacefulness" of it all. -- (Unmistakable...)

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Oh and alysia,
Joshua was actually a part of Bruce.  It was his first self-retrieval and cured him of liver trouble.
Thank you and CA too for the comments on my digressions.  Much appreciated.
bets

oh thanks for the reminder Betson about Joshua. see, I read all four books twice over, and I still didn't remembr that story! I guess we all remember different things in our reading, so good to remind each other.

Romain, it doesn't feel like a butterfly to me, but I know you are feeling it the way you do personally. I feel a movement there from time to time, especially when I projected myself as an orb, but it was more like a little click and a little breeze of energy being expelled from that area..and this energy contained me, but not the form of me, as my image of myself was there, but soon became just an orb, which the first time to be an orb is like, gee, I need my hands to pick stuff up with, yada, yada, wait I'm just a ball...omygod..help me! lol. its ok, you get used to being an orb. but yea, the energy of a butterfly, I love it!  anybody felt what Romain is talking about specifically?

hugs, alysia
butterfly? Romain, some think I'm just a flying pig