So, putting together alysia's and spooky's responses, would you say we would be true to the book's guidance if we imagined our own settings (or let our own wettings develop),  as long as they cover the possible uses of Bruce's, and then 'go there' in a playful mood, ready for whatever encounters develop?
bets

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Yes.   I never had to imagine anything as it always unfolded before me/with me. However, at one of the TMI programs, we were to go to Focus 27 and visit the place where souls (curls) were lined up to leave for earth lives.  I had a strong visual in my head from reading Bruce's books. When I got there, what I saw was exactly the same visual that I got from reading the book and realized that I was 'having Bruce's experience' and not mine. I got so frustrated that I screamed out NO, I want my own experience. Well, the scene disappeared and nothing happened. I had so been looking forward to this, seeing for myself and it really irritated me that I was not seeing it for myself.

So, over time I've thought about this a lot and wondered if I should have used imagination. I had no idea that my altered state (hemi-sync) would show me Bruce's experience.  Then I got to wondering if maybe that was the 'true' experience and I had screwed it up by yelling NO.  I never have gone back to see if I'd have a different experience. Maybe I should. ???

Love, Mairlyn

Nice post Chuckles!

I like your ideas about imagination... (and it's "not" just because they match up with mine!) LOL!

What I'm about to write is a little off topic from the thoughts that have been building up (so please forgive me beforehand), but I felt I'd share it anyway, beings it's related to Bruce's books... and this is the "Bruce Moen BookClub" thread, so here goes:

I remember reading in one of Bruce's books about a focus level on the other side that included an area which is dedicated to creating ideas, and new "devices" to be incorporated/assimilated from spiritual to physical. (i.e. it's some kind of "events/timeline" coordinating area... At any rate, I remember reading that he was "experimenting" with this "apparatus" and that there was something involving the design/refabrication of the scalpel which doctors use. It's like the "machine" would take the existing design of something, and run in through a myriad testing/trial and error until the appropriate design came up which satisfied all of the fundamental; most essential; most useful "tweakings" of this design to get it to function at its most absolute "best" levels possible.

Here's where it gets weird... I was just reading in a Popular Science magazine that some computer scientist has created this "super" computer which is like a bunch of smaller computers linked together to give some unbelievable output/calcuations/algorithms... He designed this "super" computer to serve one purpose... It's job was to calculate the best possible design for any given object. In fact, he just ran the design for the antenna through it, and came up with this awkward twisted design which actually picks up the most frequencies through the air... It is FAR better than the previous design. This "super" computer that he uses works in exactly the same way as the "apparatus" that Bruce so vividly described in one of his books that he had encountered whilst OOB.

It gets me wondering that maybe in the event/timeline coordinating area that Bruce had visited... Maybe the idea for this "machine" was placed into this guy's consciousness so that he could bring it to physical fruition...

Any thoughts?

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

>>>So, putting together alysia's and spooky's responses, would you say we would be true to the book's guidance if we imagined our own settings (or let our own wettings develop),  as long as they cover the possible uses of Bruce's, and then 'go there' in a playful mood, ready for whatever encounters develop? 
bets <<<

RAMs and Bruce's books offered to me new perspectives, I thought of things I never have thought of before. But as they do this, they also are a frame. A framework of thoughts can narrow, and it can provide paths to the previously unknown which weren't there without those pioneers. So what I did was to explore within the framework I had from RAM, Bruce and the TMI and fill it with my own personal experiences. More and more I noticed I went to places that doesn't exist on the maps others had drawn, so I have begun to develop my own framework.

What Mairlyn told of can be a source of doubts. Once you notice you have experienced what you've read elsewhere you of course question about the genuity of it. On the other hand, we know both, the general lazyness of human minds (or do I speak only for myself here?!), and the effectivity which can go along with this lazyness, this is to take something which is already there and use it as an environment to get your own experiences. This includes sometimes we can realize the impressive things, such as a nice certain landscape, or to see spirits in certain details, like maybe others have reported it already, are frequently not the main things for us to look at, but the tiny, subtle, new ones. So, to look at differences to your own experience and what you have become known from elsewhere would be the appropriate to do, and, like Bruce says, to look at the unexpected details.

Spooky

Thanks spooky & Marilyn, I liked your ideas! They make a lot of sense!

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Alysia, no don't stop telling your stories.  You give us gems of insight.  

About your mother's veins--maybe she wasn't ready for healing?  There is something to be learned from each experience.  We can look at her experience and learn from it--like you said, it is not selfish to receive healing because there is plenty to go around.  But she must have needed to learn how to ask/accept healing which she wasn't able to do at the time.  


There is a lot I want to respond to on this thread...have to figure out how to sort what I want to say here.

Ok, between Mairlyn's answers and Spooky's and Alysia's, I think what I'm realizing is that it is OK and very necessary to allow ourselves to use and to trust a framework of experience that has been previously set by another's imagination, for example when Mairlyn said she got the same vision of Bruce's experience.  Perhaps, Mairlyn, you received it that way as a starting point, and maybe if you had trusted it and ran with it more could have unfolded for you?  (I don't want to make you feel like you failed, not trying to do that by any means.  I'm just trying to learn from this).  Ok, so that fits with "priming the pump" and with "playing along".  I too love both these concepts and I find they apply everywhere.  

I have had visits by spirits in the dream state and I find that they have to "play along" with what I'm dreaming so that they fit in with my experience.  And then when and if I recognize them for what they are, my experience and perception changes and I gain more than I thought possible.  The dream, I realize, becomes more than just a dream.

We also learn how to play along during retrievals, so that we are helping the individual see and accept us and their situation.  It makes me think we are blind to what is truely around us unless/until we experience something that opens our eyes and makes us aware, but we have to be the ones willing to see.  

My husband always tells me I'm a control freak, and it's true but not in a bad way.  I don't control others but I like to be in control of myself and what happens to me.  I hate surprises and I hate not knowing what to expect, even on a normal every-day basis.  I think that is why even as a young child I became so very good at using my imagination.  I always had to make up in my mind all the possibilities of what might happen or what could happen in any given situation.  In that way, I could be prepared for how to react or how to feel, what to say, etc.  I still do this even now as an adult, it is habit I guess.  I was very psychic as a child, always knowing what would happen next and always feeling guilty when something bad happened, like I created it myself.  I wonder if psychic ability is what caused me to become this obscessive day dreamer.  I think that I used my imagination to plan things so I could be in control, at least in my fantasies.  I've always been a fantasizer and daydreamer, always making up situations and stories in my mind.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this, it's just that I do this a lot.  I always wonder what kinds of unconscious intentions am I setting?  Could I be creating things that get experienced by others?  How does this affect those Consciousness Workers out there?  Do I drive them bananas?

Some of you may remember several months ago on a PE thread I mentioned I had tried very hard to do a visit to the crystal by using my imagination and priming the pump so to speak.  I made up in my mind what TMI looked like, made up what it was like to look at the crystal, and made up in my mind that Bruce would join me and guide me along.  Suddenly I see him in my mind, he shows up beside me, holds my hand and says "thanks for inviting me, it's nice to be here".  In my mind, in my imagination, I turned to look up at him (as he's so much taller than me) and I was shocked because I know at that point that I was not in control of making this up anymore.  I see him in my mind.  Then Bruce playfully says, "Ok, you jump first!"  And at that point I think to myself that I didn't plan on having him say that (in my imagination, as I thought I should still be in control of this), and then I thought that I don't even know what he said means.  It is because I didn't trust this new situation and play along with it that it ended abruptly right then and there, and I came back to physical reality.  I wish I had trusted and went with it and I could have had fun and learned something.  But my "control freak" nature, as my husband puts it, made me cancel out this whole process I had so easily set up.

It makes me realize that it is very easy to use our imaginations.  We have the ability to do this, to make so many things possible.  

I should add that I have since found out why I chose this life with him. I should have left him. My learning in this life with him was to bring in my feminine self, my divine feminine which I am still working on.

Love, Mairlyn