Our thoughts have a lot of power and if we're worrying about something turning out right, that puts doubt right out there. One of the Laws of Manifestation is to let go of it and only think positive thoughts. See yourself getting whatever it is you want.

Love, Mairlyn

It's funny Vicky...wasn't it in at the beginning of Bruce's first book where he had to manage the emotional impact of the Oklahoma retrieval had on him? To get rid of energies that don't belong to him, to get a distance between him and what he tapped into, the strong emotions, unshielded.
In Bruce's 5th book there is the heart-energy-gathering exercise, and I had problems to do it, because when I thought of some people whom I love, there was so much other stuff connected to it, well much love much pain in that case! Better thought of a cat and a nice landscape then...

Hi people,
the first 50 pages of Bruce's first book, early Disc vision, engineer symbology(?), reader's similar experiences:

When reading his early disc vision, I knew what it meant, not in detail, but in general, the hierarchic sceme, must be something greater he discovered, something regarding himself, with his quest for answers of his three questions. I took it as symbolic, the disc, and depending on everybodies background, the symbols would vary, but nevertheless, that someone can see something special, detailed, a bit mysterious, together with his quest and this early daydream, and his OBE attempts, well, I was interested in reading on, but not quite sure at this point if it would become quite meaningful to myself, but it did, since he then came to the TMI part, and I saw there's something to learn for me!

Before I read Bruce Moen I read a book about NDEs, much esoteric stuff, parapsychology, and then Monroe, which made a real impact on me.
I had the tip to read Bruce Moen from a TMI trainer who fortunately lives just some miles away from me, must have been around 1999 or 2000. 2001 then I ordered Bruces first book, then the two others lol!

Then 2002 I took the Gateway Experience program, 2and a half day Focus 10 and 12 tapes, and I felt it worked for me. No clear pictures or movies, but relaxation, lights and voices, oh, I remember one little movie! A gardener at what seems like a big house of rich people. Don't know what it was. Then I had the Gateway Voyage in 2004 and that was it where it all started, I mean the stories I'm telling here of my mind-journies. GV definitely changed my life, but it probably wouldn't if I had not read Monroes and Bruce's books.

Note: I must say, Bruces first book starts (in style, a bit like the movie Lord Of The Rings 1) with a really heavy scene (The Oklahoma bombing retrieval), and I wasn't sure what was he talking about, then he slowed down, and started with the start so to say!
It took me awhile before I really got what he was doing, what a retrieval was, could have known better, because Monroe described that thing in his third book, but it seems to me now, that it was difficult to me to believe it at that time. But it simply was written too well and so much details, I really had to be convinced! I even got high blood pressure then, which normalized again after the Gateway Voyage.

Spooky

Greetings,
By Jove I think we've got it going! Your insights are adding rich dimensions to the reading!

If you are just joining this thread, we'd appreciate getting your responses to the first part of Bk I, "Voyages into the Unknown." (See discussion points on p.1)
Adding to those questions being discussed, 2 thoughts have also repeatedly emerged, whether we had experience with TMI, and whether we almost immediately sensed changes in our own body's energy system/ patterns.

After the weekend we'll be moving on in the book, plus offering our means of using or dealing with the energy changes these teachings have developed. If you still have your book 1 at hand and review Bruce's 'Lifeline" sections, perhaps you'll have questions or comments to add to next week's discussions.

All comments and experiences are welcome regarding these books.--Don't feel strange if you add your unique situation after any sort of pattern is getting shown.

Enjoy!

That's great Juditha. You will LOVE his books.

Love, Mairlyn

right Mair, that story of the restaurant retrievals had me going too! I was thinking no way Bruce! I can't chew gum and walk at the same time..so it had to be an altered state and I do know what an altered state is; as I'd had a few of those occur;  frankly, the whole room disappeared when I met my husband so I figured that's what he was talking about.
this is fun reviewing his books..thanks again for getting us going in the right direction Betson!

one other thing that ties in with this altered state in one of Bruce's books I was affected by his story of driving down the road and slipping into his thoughts on what reality is/was; and for a moment he wondered if he was really driving his car in physical reality or if he was in the other world; drat. the light turned red! he quickly grounded himself in time to avoid an accident, that ok, I'm in the physical! lol. I wish to thank Bruce, as I noted how often I needed to ground myself when I too am driving down the road, not being in the now moment and observing everything tangible around me.
I've been practicing being in the now moment for over 20 years and still it is a way of life, not just a practice, it becomes a way to open the mind to both worlds simultaneously and bridge the gap between conscious and subconscious to merge them. there in the subconcious area you become aware of the driver next to you who is about to turn without signaling, these two worlds ; thou and I, object and subject become one.  this brings up another question: Am I real? do I live here? others in my life from time to time have expressed to say "are u for real?"  

I don't know  maybe I'm the tree in the forest that when it falls, you have to ask did it make noise as it fell, if no ear was there to hear it? ???

I crack myself up. hugs, alysia

Vicky lol, did I say something right? 

I reminded you then you just reminded me...

woke up this morn with a message...one single word, just one word in a book can trigger all sorts of connections in the mind...so I'm looking at my book to see if theres anything rotten in it... ???

hugs, alysia

Thanks to you all for sharing your insights!
In the 2nd section (arbitrarily set at pp.50--100) of Bk I,
the author (!) describes his introduction to the various Focus levels and some of his reactions---
    Have you spent some time exploring various aspects /levels or are you relying on Bruce Moen's experience ? IYO, what does one gain by exploring the afterlife with no intent of making contact?
    Physical changes to a person's own system occur in order to accommodate changed perceptions and experiences. Bruce tells some of his, but how much change are you pioneers willing to accommodate? Is it an on-going process for you (how many years?) ?
     Individuality comes up in this section of Bruce's writing; Spooky and others have described elsewhere in these forums their perceptions of how one individual merges with a Greater Self---do you have another way of describing this 'phenomenon' ?
     Altho these questions come from Bruce's early writings, it may be hard to separate out what your first impressions were, so don't bother. We're all here to gain from experience.  Enjoy!

Hi bookclubbers,
I reread today the passage betson suggested and I really was amazed (wait-Bruce would say "flabbergasted") how precise some of Bruce's experiences match with mine. His conclusions about the I/There or Disk concept is very close to what I got in some "readings" in my meditations. And when he told about his first retrievals and his doubts about it, it was almost word by word what I thought when I began to explore. And a lot of other things.

The "Prime the pump" principle is absolutely well put.

Betsons questions:
I "rely" on Bruce's descriptions in the meaning I trust them, but I also pretty much go my own ways. But, in this case, Bruce's books, Monroes books, and what they tell at TMI about the Focus Levels etc. the "Priming the pump" principle is powerfully working! I understand this that way: These informations are not necessarily "true", meaning they may not be objective, or valid for each individual in the same degree. But they are very good, and for many people I guess even necessary, things to open the gateway, to prime the pump. Once you have a variety of locales established in meditation/trance, you have done the main step and are able to explore on your own.
In my case the changes which began when I did the Gateway Voyage (it's the date I actively started making contact) is indeed an ongoing process. Doubts are still there, and when I'm beyond doubt there will be other things to overcome and work on. It's like a fire which burns until all has become ashes. I'm not sure what would happen if one would decide it's enough, no belief system reconstructions anymore, I have settled now. I guess it would work to some degree, but it would be more painful than to continue going on the change-including evolving process. By the way, talking about me, on the first look not very much has changed. Same appartment, no job changes, this stuff. But inwardly, and people who know me of course notice that indeed I've changed a lot.
I can't really provide a different story of merging with the higher self than Bruce told, of course it's not the same, but my experiences are similar.

Spooky