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Jan 9th, 2005 at 10:13am
 
There is something in the later Seth material...and maybe Dora or someone else who has read the later stuff can comment...about parallel realities. I got overwhelmed trying to understand that! So I quit reading it.

But it seems to me now that BSTs are a kind of parallel reality. Or realities, as it were. Earth...physical reality...seems like some enormous structure where the low vibrations of physical matter make it possible to have an alphabet vegetable soup of many different psychological realities co-existing. BSTs seem more homogeneous.

Submitting my all dreams to Freudian or Jungian symbolic analysis has never made sense to me. That's partly because I sometimes dream about things I have never seen or experienced on earth before; sometimes things that don't exist here appear. (and if I'm that creative, why couldn't I think up stuff like that when I had to write an English paper!) Some dreams are continuations of experiences I have had here on earth in this physical reality I share with you all. But the landscape of where they continue is different. they don't continue here. Somebody made drastic changes to the movie set! And the outcomes are totally different. I will wake from a dream thinking something entirely different has happened, only to realize that I have just been through some kind of parallel experience. Sometimes the emotions are intense but are feelings I can't give a name to.

I don't think these parallel experiences are something I in this world need to retrieve myself from...perhaps me there is retrieving me here! I am reminded of Bob Monroe's stories in his first book of being in another reality, a parallel one in which he wondered if the person blacked out when he Bob appeared. The guy was an inventor of sorts? but things didn't seem to go well in his life. My dream experiences aren't as vivid but that's more like what I am talking about.

We are so young we are only on the surface of conciousness, are we not? We are all feeling a different part of the elephant when no one has a good concept of the whole elephant.

So I am wondering if others have dreams of this nature.
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Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2005 at 11:34am
 
Often!  My dream journal is full of many of these kinds of dreams..where they are definately not on Earth..at least, not earth as we know it physically.

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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2005 at 12:34pm
 
Lucy,

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There is something in the later Seth material...and maybe Dora or someone else who has read the later stuff can comment...about parallel realities. I got overwhelmed trying to understand that! So I quit reading it.


Not sure what comment it is what you waiting for, but all I can give you is that eventually even the die-hard Seth and Elias skeptics will have to accept or at least think about it, that it is far from the *ghostly woo-woo* anymore. More and more brilliant quantum physicist like Michael Talbot, Fred Alan Wolf, Brian Green agree with it...

Brian Green "Elegant Universe" is available in almost any video store by Nova, it is very easy to understand visually...

Also here is on interesting article what I find from Scientific American

http://www.crystalinks.com/holouniverse1.html

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Or realities, as it were.


Indeed where?  Grin In my understanding and experiences long us we see ourselves as a singular entity  and believe that we're limited to physical existence, and ONLY after disengagement can occupy different areas of consciousness, we will belive that our dreams - as we have been told - just  dreams...
Long as we don't - or try - to understand the nature of the reality we'll not accept that our  interpretation maybe incorrect, but the dream experiences are just as real then our waking state.

Now I do not align with the beliefs  that anyone can interpret the dream imaginaries, since those are highly individual symbols what we translate to our objective awareness, therefore those can mean many, many things...

I myself have very  active  dreamstate, many time I connecting my own focuses, (as different personalities, different timeframes, or connecting with my own essence) or interacting with non-physical essences....
Only with self-knowledge[/b] we will be able to interpret our own messages to ourself.

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I don't think these parallel experiences are something I in this world need to retrieve myself from...


I couldn't agree more....  Smiley if indeed you're connecting with your different focuses, then YOU'RE them, - and they're  the countless YOU"S There is nothing to retrieve
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 12:39pm
 
Thanks Dora you always have some interesting info and comments.

I think I maxed out when Jane Roberts got to The "Unknown" Reality, Vols. 1&2". I couldn't process the information any more. Maybe I could revisit those volumes now. Are you familiar with those volumes? Are they relevant to what we discuss here?
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2005 at 7:55pm
 
SmileyGreetings. I felt I ought to reply to this statement.
First as to dreams, Seth stated that our dreams occur in the Astral Plane.  Alexander channelled by Ramon Stevens also mentioned that during our dreams we exist in part of the Astral.
Now, about Parallel Realities.  There are a variety of realities such as Probable, Adjacent, Parallel, etc., but all of these refer to physical realities. When we dream and visit the dreamland of the Astral, we are obviously non-physical.
The realities spoken of by various metaphysical authors such as Seth usually refer to various physical realities.
Seth, in the book Unknown Reality, Volume 1, said,
referring, I believe, to physical experience, "The structure of probabilities deals with parallel  experience on all levels. Your focus allows other just as legitiamte experience  to become invisible or unfelt."  In Seth Speaks there is the statement:
"If there are individual probable selves, then of course there are probable worlds, all taking roads that you have not adopted. You exist in the middle of the probable system  of reality. It is not something apart from you.
I hope these thoughts will help,
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SmileyGreetings. I felt I ought to reply to this statement.
First as to dreams, Seth stated that our dreams occur in the Astral Plane.  Alexander channelled by Ramon Stevens also mentioned that during our dreams we exist in part of the Astral.
Now, about Parallel Realities.  There are a variety of realities such as Probable, Adjacent, Parallel, etc., but all of these refer to physical realities. When we dream and visit the dreamland of the Astral, we are obviously non-physical.
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Yes, WE are obviously nonphysical..but the reality around us is not always so.  Have you ever "dreamed" yourself to a physical place?  I know that doesn't make alot of sense..its hard to explain what I mean, I just know that through the dreamscape, I have gone to places..that are in the physical..I don't mean a physical counterpart..but the actual physical place..with actual, physical people and things.. Cheesy
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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 12:32pm
 
Cheesy I can relate one experience similar. in a full waking consciousness I popped out of my forehead area and traveled to see my brother in another state. midway there I realized I didn't have his new address! Cry  I had decided previously to take pacific coast highway so I found myself there and stopped to ponder addresses..intuitively or by guidance, I knew he wouldn't know how to receive me (might frighten him) so I declined the search but knew I could find him if I wanted to. instead I decided to play on the beach for awhile. people and cars looked like real thing, rocks, ocean sounds, etc. like greeting old friend. went home and entered the body sitting in the chair through the same exit point. opened my eyes and started freaking out joyously! Grin the whole thing took 20 minutes of concentration to exit. love, alysia
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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 2:16pm
 
    yeah, me too!  For a time, the game I was playing was "see how much attention you can pay to your surroundings while obe". I would be in my bedroom, with my physical body in the bed. It got so that all senses were so acute, sense of touch etc; not only did it feel like I was in a physical enviornment ( I was) but that the subtle body was physical also. Everything; senses, my attention, all as acute as in my waking day (or more so) , no dream-fuzziness at all... in fact  the idea of my physical body felt like the dream.. 'Waking up', my waking experience felt dreamlike in the most enjoyable way.  Ya know, I go in cycles of working with specific things to try while dreaming/obe;  I am inspired to work with the 24/7 thing again, I think I can handle the impact better this time, Alysia's comment on another thread (something like "make the 2 worlds one", dream and waking) brought this up for me.... Tim
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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 2:23pm
 
Lucy,

I'm not sure what is your specific question? If is about Seth talking about parallel realities...the answer is YES.... that are the BST.......NO

Those parallel realities are as PHYSICAL as ours......our reality IS a parallel to them, but parallel and probably realities are not the same

The Unknown Reality, Volume one
Section 2
Parallel man, Alternate man, and Probable man: The reflection of these in the present, private psyche, your Multidimensional reality in the NOW of your being.

In  book 2...is no chapter on parallel
book 2 is all about probabilities

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Reply #9 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 3:53pm
 
In reference to the reply by Shirley to my comments... SmileyThank you Shirley for correcting my error in saying that all parrallel realities and other realities refer to physical realities.
I should have modified that with an adjective such as "many, or most" We had  our weekly metaphysical meeting today, Wednesday, and I posed the question about how many of you dream of both physical and non-physical realities?  Of 20 members most said they do dream of being at physical locations or about physical people. Now, that's not my experience as I seldom dream of what appears to be a physically living person or about a physical location!  Nor did  I believe that Seth specifically covered this subject.
So, I searched and found a Seth quotation  in "Book 6, The early Sessions of the Seth Material."  On March 23, 1966,  there  is the statement, "Dream locations exist in physical space as truly,  or as falsely, as physical objects exist in physical  space."
Seth expresses the phrase, "as falsely," because he continues by saying, "Physical objects are only the result of our own perceptions."
Hope this isn't confusing. Regards, Harry

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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 4:25pm
 
I'm always confused! but not by you guys!

When I try to understand how the experience of a parallel reality might compare to the experience of a BST, then I get really scrambled! How do you know the difference??? I know if I am in Memphis or in Boston, but I don't know if I am in a BST or a parallel place. If there is a specific question, that is it.

The stuff about parallel and probable realities is what put me over a confusion edge before. I think I need a few more neurons to handle that stuff. yet it is very intriguing....

So I still don't know exactly if my dreams represent a personal BST or a parallel or probable reality and I don't know how to tell the difference, but I feel comfortable declaring "it isn't just a dream." Of course, I have to apply that to nightmares too then.

btw alysia now that I know you travel in the not-physical, I hope you will stop by some time...shall I put on some non-physical water for some non-physical tea?
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 4:45pm
 
Alysia and Tim,

The experiences you describe are amazing, and whenever I hear things like this it helps to confirm my belief in the spiritual body and afterlife.  I have had a few conscious OBEs that were brief and dreamlike, nothing like what you've experienced.  I remember some dreams every night, and they are always in full color with sound and sometimes sense of touch -- but not as real as a conscious OBE.  I've also had a few lucid dreams, but they were still just dreams.  I know I have had full-blown OBEs during sleep (I can remember the beginning where you get the buzzing in your head and the whooshing sensation of leaving the body) but I generally remember little of what happened during the experience when I wake up.  It must be very exciting to be able to travel out of body and actually go where you want for as long as you want and have a clear, non-dreamlike level of awareness.  I bet you guys have no doubts whatsoever about the continuation of human consciousness outside the physical body.  That must be a wonderful feeling to know for sure, with 100% certainty.

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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2005 at 4:50pm
 
I forgot to mention in my last post, my experience has shown me that not all dreams are OBEs.  There is a difference.  OBEs can happen during sleep, but most dreams are just a deeper form of imagination, which is not the same as a true OBE.  I do not hold the view that all imagination is the equivalent of going out of body.  Imagination and regular dreams may be some kind of a middle ground where your mind is still connected to the brain but it is partially detached and open to influences from the astral plane, IMO.

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So I still don't know exactly if my dreams represent a personal BST or a parallel or probable reality and I don't know how to tell the difference.

btw alysia now that I know you travel in the not-physical, I hope you will stop by some time...shall I put on some non-physical water for some non-physical tea?
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Cheesy how about tea and crumpets? Cheesy heres a short story from yours truly. I've had music as a hobby also thought about an acting career early on. made a decision to not do that in a big way for various reasons. also had stage fright to conquer. so one night I believe I stepped into a parallel dimension because it was so real and spiritually life changing moment. a group of us stood waiting backstage for our turn to sing. each person took their turn and received their applause. I seemed to have done this before. when it was my turn as I strolled out feeling naked as usual, rather vulnerable, because that's what stage fright is,  the crowd recognized me to my astonishment and welcomed my entrance. feeling a twinge of fright I decided to just be myself and the stage fright vanished. it was they who were the wind beneath my wings so to speak. I just kept thinking have they heard me before? how do they know me? Grin anyway, it was as high as I could fly here, the feeling of PUL. I know it had to have been another me that is accomplished in that area. I've not had such an experience here with so vast a crowd, but I have had a few moments on stage of "just being myself".  concerning BST, I believe theres no escape from a BST in that everything is a BST, even these words I give you are just another belief. Roll Eyes  ??? Tongue Kiss
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Alysia and Tim,

The experiences you describe are amazing, and whenever I hear things like this it helps to confirm my belief in the spiritual body and afterlife.  I have had a few conscious OBEs that were brief and dreamlike, nothing like what you've experienced.  I remember some dreams every night, and they are always in full color with sound and sometimes sense of touch -- but not as real as a conscious OBE.  I've also had a few lucid dreams, but they were still just dreams.  I know I have had full-blown OBEs during sleep (I can remember the beginning where you get the buzzing in your head and the whooshing sensation of leaving the body) but I generally remember little of what happened during the experience when I wake up.  It must be very exciting to be able to travel out of body and actually go where you want for as long as you want and have a clear, non-dreamlike level of awareness.  I bet you guys have no doubts whatsoever about the continuation of human consciousness outside the physical body.  That must be a wonderful feeling to know for sure, with 100% certainty.

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knowing is no fun though if you can't share it with others. it's like you know this most important thing but others won't believe you because they haven't had the same experience. then it just brings up more questions once you get your knowings. yes, some of these experiences obe or otherwise feel really good for awhile but you got to think about why the veil of forgetfulness is in place here. when the spirit enters matter memory for the most part of who it has been is erased so that new experiences and a new individuality can surface. how confusing to remember past lives and still try to remember you're not that person anymore, you are now someone else, even to the opposite polarity that you identify with so completely. ??? Wink Cheesy blows your mind until you let yourself forget again. if it means anything to you, I think you're doing really well with waking up to the unlimited being you are with your obes and dreams. suggest to yourself what proof represents to you personally and you may be able to ascertain it sooner than not. build a dream in other words, that stuff is pretty darn pliable I found out! Wink love, alysia
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