this is interesting dialogue between Lights and Patrick, mind if I meander into it a bit?

I sort of see both sides. at least from my own limited view of both sides.
if you go here Patrick, there is some discussion of war from a spiritual viewpoint
http://www.earthlypursuits.com/WLLDM/WLLDMan.htmI read about 100 books regarding the Holocaust, always asking myself the same question...how could this be, that Jews could be led to slaughter with hardly any resistance? so then I began reading only books about the resistance which did operate..there were less books available on that..but enough to support my conviction that a part of me existed in the resistance movement in another time frame..for I seem to recall the thrill of battle, of plotting, of surprise attack. we seemed to have two approaches:
1) Divide the enemy to conquer
2) flank them from the rear, as in surprise method, like when they slept. since we were small in number, we could not face them head on, as in civil war methods or much earlier TV depictions of armies clashing head on, wouldn't have worked! so war became for us to throw a grenade into their supply trains, but first you had to steal their grenades in order to throw one...all this war business was of course justified completely, as you were only protecting your mother or your sister or brother who at the same moment were boarding a train to a camp where they would be promptly gassed. you hoped you were not too late to save them.
then we all died of necessity screaming NEVER AGAIN!
and some other persons were born and read the books of the war and wondered were they there too? You couldn't tell for sure, you only knew that inside you, you could still feel the grief, you could still see the blood, you still saw the little children slipping out of their bodies like they were sacrifices for all of us to understand we didn't need to do this...but that we dreamed it up and did it anyway. so you thought about how to make peace then, how at least to prepare for peace instead of war, for as sure as you stockpile war implements, you surely intend to use them, the same as you stockpile peace implements, you have those intentions also.
this not a lecture...people did die so I might live and I love warrior spirits who practice courage...I know in my heart some part of me was there....I just don't ever want to go back there. love, alysia