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Of Contacts and Animals
Oct 2nd, 2005 at 8:19pm
 
Years ago, I posted here as a skeptic. Now somewhat older, I have come to appreciate this particular study because of its seemingly solid foundation; and while these themes are not entirely new (they are represented in one way or another in every religion), they are creedless, which increases their appeal ten-fold.

One thing that has always bothered me, however, is the subject of animals. Being that we humans are the product of evolved apes (to put it simply), what is the afterlife representation of, say, a cave-man? Does he retain his primitive conciousness? Or does he go through a sort of insta-evolution and come out spouting quatrains of Shakesphere? My past animals aren't going to set the record straight with me, are they?

My next question is related to things of a military nature. With military history being a hobby of mine, I have often wondered if anyone has ever been able to establish a dialogue with General Washington, or perhaps General Sheridan, maybe even General Patton? To be able to call upon them and converse with them across our two planes would be an experience beyond what words could describe for me.
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Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 8:43pm
 
Patrick,

I beg to differ that we evolved from apes, I think you will find when you past back over to the real world. That this line of thought has been Meir propaganda.

As for animals are they waiting ,do you have something to fear from your behavior. If you do then I'd start now in this present moment, by being kind to our little Friends.

And as for wanting to speak to some general who has played a roll in the total barbaric act of war ,I couldn't think of any souls I'd want to be with less.

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Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2005 at 10:25pm
 
Barbarism is torturing to death 6 million Jews and over 7 million Christains. Liberating them from their captors takes more than just singing songs of peace and love while waving daisies. When you can not negotiate for your own freedom, you fight for it.

As for animals, I have never committed an act of hatred towards them in my life. Every pet I have ever owned has been given 100% of my love and treated as I would my own child. When I suggested that they would set the record straight, I was entertaining the thought that perhaps they preferred milk-bones over raw-hide ones; preferred canned food to hard food.

If my post suggested to you that I was in dire need of your idealism, perhaps you should read it again without the goggles of cynicism.
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Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 1:36am
 
Patrick,
war is not about freeing people, sadly it never has been about that ,its about using souls young men with there lives ahead of them,as a tool to full someone Else's need for power and that someone never has to walk the streets filled with the dead and wounded. War is about power, Sad to say thats all it comes down to, believe what you want, but thats the Truth ! theres never been a need for any war, we've just been mislead to believe they where needed.


As for your animal Friends if you have treated them well, I can assure you they will be there when you pass over. Actually I think we will all find when we pass there is so much more love traversing between us all not just our beloved pets, just saying hello to someone passes a vibration between you and that soul and this is recored so many things of wonder here on this planet.

I don't mind being thought of as someone consumed by the love and light process, in-fact I 'm glad you perceive me that way, if only every soul on this planet looked at there life that way, then we would have no wars, for there would be non to fight them.Each soul is so precious,so much beauty held within.

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Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 9:33am
 
this is interesting dialogue between Lights and Patrick, mind if I meander into it a bit? Cheesy

I sort of see both sides. at least from my own limited view of both sides.

if you go here Patrick, there is some discussion of war from a spiritual viewpoint http://www.earthlypursuits.com/WLLDM/WLLDMan.htm

I read about 100 books regarding the Holocaust, always asking myself the same question...how could this be, that Jews could be led to slaughter with hardly any resistance? so then I began reading only books about the resistance which did operate..there were less books available on that..but enough to support my conviction that a part of me existed in the resistance movement in another time frame..for I seem to recall the thrill of battle, of plotting, of surprise attack. we seemed to have two approaches:
1) Divide the enemy to conquer
2) flank them from the rear, as in surprise method, like when they slept. since we were small in number, we could not face them head on, as in civil war methods or much earlier TV depictions of armies clashing head on, wouldn't have worked! so war became for us to throw a grenade into their supply trains, but first you had to steal their grenades in order to throw one...all this war business was of course justified completely, as you were only protecting your mother or your sister or brother who at the same moment were boarding a train to a camp where they would be promptly gassed. you hoped you were not too late to save them.

then we all died of necessity screaming NEVER AGAIN!
and some other persons were born and read the books of the war and wondered were they there too? You couldn't tell for sure, you only knew that inside you, you could still feel the grief, you could still see the blood, you still saw the little children slipping out of their bodies like they were sacrifices for all of us to understand we didn't need to do this...but that we dreamed it up and did it anyway. so you thought about how to make peace then, how at least to prepare for peace instead of war, for as sure as you stockpile war implements, you surely intend to use them, the same as you stockpile peace implements, you have those intentions also.

this not a lecture...people did die so I might live and I love warrior spirits who practice courage...I know in my heart some part of me was there....I just don't ever want to go back there. love, alysia
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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 9:49am
 
Washington and other military men were more than just war mongers or barbaric men.  It is true that if we had a utopian society, war would never be necessary.  I agree.  But these men lived in the times and circumstances in which they lived.  We don't live in a peaceful world, and there are many unenlightened souls out there.  I do believe that we should be prepared to fight for our freedom if need be - but that is my personal belief. 

     Lincoln is beloved and freed the slaves, but saw more slaughter in war than anyone.  It is said his spirit was seen frequently after his death.  The fact that he was, by necessity part of the carnage does not in any way diminish him as not being a great soul.

As for the caveman consciousness, I personally would say, that as afterlife communication is nonverbal that the caveman's consciousness may or may not have been as primitive as we imagine.  However, as above so below.  It only makes sense that if evolution exists here and now, than our consciousness is evolvivng too.

I do think animals must have souls and persist in some way.

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Reply #6 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 10:04am
 
My sister has been visited by her dog.  I think it is possible her new dog is the same soul - yet in a very different body.

I have had visits from one cat (she was really angry)  She had very specific questions about why my x treated her as he had - and why he had her put to sleep.  Once she had her answers, and I assured her I loved her, she left and I haven't heart from her since.

I also have visits from a special little hamster.  She will be back, this time as a puppy.  I guess I will have to wait and see.
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Reply #7 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 4:21pm
 
Consider this:
R. E. Lee's last words were "Strike the tent!"; however, he was in some ways prepared for his death, but if his last words were any indication to what shape his afterlife world was taking, it is frightening to consider that he may be lost in a perpetual state of war.

J. Jackson's were: "We will cross the stream here and rest under the shade of that tree" (or something like that); he too was prepared for his death. This appears to be a more peaceful transition.

About 10 years ago, a good friend of my family's died. We were there at his bedside, and his last words were: "Mom, Pappy [his grandfather] is here. He looks different. He looks better." I have no reason to doubt that his grandfather came to ease his transition. He too knew his death was inevitable.

Lincoln, on the other hand, was not prepared for his death. But I find it difficult to imagine in the days of automobiles and computers that he has not come to the conclusion and accepted the fact that he is indeed gone from the living. Then again, perhaps his spiritual energy manifests itself into a constant 1860's theme that continues to surround him indefinately. I find it hard to believe that this man, who was loved and cherished by so many, would not have hundreds upon thousands of "helpers" banging down his virtual door to take him to Focus 27. The same could be said for Lee.

On a side note, for those of you interested in the Civil war, you might find Grant's auto ("Memoirs") a good read. I am just now finishing it. He certainly had an outstanding writing form.

Laffingrain: Thank you for that link!
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Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 4:34pm
 
I have some theories about Abe. I did read that someone did see his impending assination and warned him and so he was prepared that way for death. and I know they say his ghost hangs around but I don't think Lincoln is inside of that ghost..I think that is an imprint of his consciousness there for a reason. to remind us, the rest of us of his great leadership. there are  some ghosts you can engage in conversation that are real spirits and others that are impressions left by very strong vibrational process of a very deep thinker. and I am in agreement that we can evolve on the other side and not necessary be caught up in our former lives to remain stuck there. love, alysia

ps. I really like Letters From a Dead Man too, used to read it all the time.
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Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 6:07pm
 
Apparently Mary Lincoln was a strong spritualist, and quite involved with mediums and seances and the afterlife.  She was not well liked because thinking women were not well appreciated back then.  But, apparently, she had a profound effect on Abe's thinking about the spirit and afterlife.


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Reply #10 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 7:27am
 
I have to wonder though, how accessible do you think General Washington is in the afterlife? Considering his image and history is burned into the collective conciousness of all American citizens past, present, and future; I would imagine he has a waiting list that would be the envy of Disneyland's "Club 33." Now, you would have to excuse me for being so human as to imagine that a concept such as a waiting list would be applicable in a void where practicability has no purpose.
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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:19am
 
oh you're excused for being human Patrick! Grin
I know I excuse myself all the time Wink you're right, since time is "all time" beyond the veil there would be no long line to wait in, since waiting implies time passing by...geez...I hate waiting in lines on this side, please don't make me wait in lines on the other... Kiss

as for our great leaders and teachers, all these folk would only say they are human as well, or were human as in incarnated for a time. the archive of their mind and life is available in the "library" over there and easily accessible once you set your intention to explore. everybody's life is there. used to be called the akashic records. cheers, alysia
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