Whoa, I'll have to say that this takes guts. Was it hard for you to find a doctor who will do this for you? Have you heard of this being done before? Have you considered the consequences of this act...........what IF you don't come back, what if it takes too long to bring you back and you suffer brain damage, etc.  Are you prepared to go into the afterlife and stay if that should happen?  I'm sure that you have considered all these things and I wish you much success with your endeavor and I will be looking forward to reading about your experience.  Again I say, this takes guts. 

With Love and Concern,
Mairlyn

What I meant was, are you prepared to go to the afterlife NOW if the doctor can't bring you back.  I KNOW that we all go to the afterlife when we leave here. I have been there many times in this lifetime without having an NDE.  I, and many others on this forum, visit there regularly to check on people who have crossed over and to 'retrieve' those who are 'stuck' in a belief system territory. 

I still wish you good luck.

Love, Mairlyn

I haven't seen the light that NDEers talk about, no, but I have seen Light Beings which are pretty bright and have seen the people that I have gone to see.

Love, Mairlyn

Hi Camilo,

You are a brave soul.  However, it is not necessary for you to do this to better your life.  You can experience your own light right here in this this world now.  You can shine your light to all around you and create a ripple of beauty in your world that will be a wonder for the spirits to watch.

I respect your desire to have this "great adventure" but a trustworthy or reputable doctor would never attempt this for you.  It would go against any principles that a real healer would have.

Please stay with us a while and continue your readings and explorations.  There are many ways to open your heart and soul to the great beyond.

much love, blink

Hello blink

thx for You respect of may free will & support 
I want to tell U that I not want to leave this word.
I stay here for...... I dont know for how long, but I think that I have many things to do. So I think I stay here for long 


greetings
Camilo

Hi C-L,

Your English is better than my Polish, so don't apologize!

I kinow that you've asked for a Near Death Experience, but that might be a bit unpleasant in terms of side effects. Would you settle for a direct and personal recall of actually dying and going into the Light and Spirit World? This is something that can actually be provided, it's easy, safe, and allows you to go back later on your own if you want to get into a little meditation.

I might be able to give you a professional referral in that area if you wish. You can find me through private email through dave@mbs-hypnoclinic.com if you want to discuss it. Or instant messaging on this board if your prefer.

dave

hi Ryan

I watch this movie many years ago (if we speak about this same movie).
But this is only hollywood fiction. Bad fiction 
Hollywood like horror - now I know that horror makes very bad to subconscious, so I dont watch horrors or thrillers etc bad movie.

Camilo

Can you get Bruce's Home Study Course instead? If you want to see the Afterlife, why take such a big risk when there are safer and less expensive ways to do it?

First, I'd like to say, that NDE's are experienced by those who are due them.  I don't think anyone can have one on demand.

I can't understand a reason not to try to explore the afterlife first through the Monroe institute, or Bruce Moen's tapes, or Astral projection.

The christian tirade is tiresome.  Find me quotes of Christ's teachings on Hell.  Not something from the book of Revelations (which is not said to be Jesus teaching his followers).  Show me where in the bible a disciple or person is sent there by Jesus.  Doesn't happen. 

However, if we are on this earth to learn in the real world, and mature that way - it can only damage us and our souls to take unnecessary risks to get back to the afterlife (i.e. suicide) instead of becoming enlightened in this lifetime.

My two cents,

Matthew

One other thing. Is it responsible to expect a doctor to take such a chance with another person's life?

Camilo:

If you do it and die, do you want the doctor, the person who refers you to a doctor,  and spitfire to have the bad karma of playing a role in your death?

I'm not a big believer in bad karma, but sometimes you have to make exceptions.

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Hello

Recoverer, Rob_Roy, and many others... pessimist's

Do U have a car ?
Do U hear about die in fatal accident, pile-up ?
Howe many people die in car accident?
When U come inside car, do U meditate about this ?
Do U think about car accident every time when U go inside car ?
Do U calculate about posibility of die. Calculate about posibility disability ??

I have car. Is Rover 216 GTi. It is fast car.
Is not new, but I love him
I am not a fool who calculate this every time when going in to the car.

may god
about what we talking
Its my life!
I risk my live every day. Today I drive my car too - so I risk my life!!!
so waths ??
Do U want live forever ??

I know. Maybe U thing that U not die?
So I want to inform U:
Sorry, but U will die!
Everybody will die! So whats is the problem...

now is 12 december 2005. Many, many thousend people die in Pakistan...
How many?
~35000 people.
die for nothing. Young, old, man, woman, kids....

And U talking about 1 life.
My life !!!!!!!!!!!

Many millions was die in fight & many will die. Fight one aginst other.
Not one man. Not hundred but millions !!
Die for what ?


I believe that chance to die in this experiment is lesser than die in road accident.
But... if I die, I sure that my enterprise is right !!
And I sure that not stop for good another people who want discover really New World & change life

We Discover this World & nothing stop science Nothing!

in the beginning I ask U:
"Do U hear about die in fatal accident, pile-up ?"
in the end I ask U:
Do U hear about die in aware exploring NDE ? ))

Greetings
Camilo Largo 

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Does that meen if it works, and he has a life changing experience, i get good karma?, i would be willing to take that risk.

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Obe's and NDE'S, are two different kind of experiences, OBE'S are quite often (from what i understand since ive never had one) you floating around and everyone's experience's in OBE'S are vastly different.

Nde's, are the white light and the tunnel...Meeting deceased people for real. Often having very similar experiences unlike OBE'S.

The best description i heard between NDE'S and OBE'S, is that OBE'S are like looking through a telescope, while NDE'S are standing on the object your looking at.

i dont think camilo has had any luck with OBE'S, you have gotta be a Love junkie to make them happen.

We have all gotta die sometime, i would rather risk my life by going into the unknown, then die in a nursing home, forgotten.

If you force an NDE, do you expect a spirit you meet to give you a grand tour of the afterlife realms? My guess is that such a spirit wouldn't be willing to show you anything. Instead it would tell you that you need to immediately get back to your body.


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Spitfire:

I've been given the lesson that if you play a part in causing harm to someone, there's a good chance that you'll be abliged to them not because of the punishment factor, but because the goodness within you will want to be responsible about it. What else would you do? Put the burden on somebody else?

You might feel casual about it now, but later on, when you aren't looking through filters, you might feel differently.

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Well, everyone seems to have had a say here. 

Camilo will do what he will with his life, and I would hope he would consult many sources of feedback, including family and friends.  He made his inquiry and we have given him a number of alternative points of view. 

Ultimately, if such a course of action became available to him it would be his own private medical decision.  I do not personally hold myself responsible for his decisions or those of anyone else....there is a limit to that kind of responsibility.   We are all adults here and as such we are responsible for making our own ethical judgements about our lives.

No one here has set an intention to harm anyone else.  Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it...

love, blink

Spitfire:

I think we're all abliged to you, for giving us free dancing lessons.


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I blame the 2nd place on my dance partner. Its never my fault. Especially since she didn't take the time to watch your dance instruction video. You're the Fred Astaire of the internet.

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