If everything is, as the mystics say, a "vibrating field"... including one's soul/spirit... might it be possible to invent a device to literally "abolish" oneself (or somebody else) at the "spirit" level by disrupting or scattering, or even nullifying said field?
Such a technology would have profound implications. In cases of military action against enemies who are religious fanatics, they would lose not only their lives, but their afterlives as well.
(This could be a tremendous "deterrent" in our current "War on Terror!")
A hardcore materialist who is literally "tired of existence" could have the ultimate euthanasia performed on him/her...
And "capital punishment" could take on a whole new meaning.
After all, there is no such thing as "magic" or "the supernatural"... everything proceeds from a cause. Presumably, then, technology (or weaponry) which affected the "spirit" could be created, given an appropriate level of scientific understanding.
Any thoughts here?

Brendan your logic makes me shiver.

I hate it when people like you takes something cool and apply it to war...

I know it wasn't on purpose but the idea is quite disturbing.

I second Truseeker in his reply.

On the other end I wonder how come you could be "permitted" to have such an idea if it was the first step in the destruction of the world. (it could come to this)

Maybe we know so little that we don't understand how come this idea would'nt be possible ?

Nope, not possible.  (And how sad it is to think of destroying a soul/spirit).

All I know is, energy can't be destroyed.  And somehow I just know that Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle proves this device is impossible, but I am too tired to try to figure it out right now. 

Even if it were possible, how can anyone justify destroying a soul?  No one should get to decide if someone should exist or not.

Would not destroying the soul/spirit of say, Adolf
Hitler or perhaps Pol Pot (of "killing fields" renown)
be a GOOD thing?
Would you like to encounter these individuals in ANY
potential way (and if the afterlife is eternal and spirits
are immortal, the laws of probability dictate that you WILL meet them someday...)
Not to say the above-speculated device would not dwarf the H-bomb
in its sheer potential horror... and if I knew how to build one, I would most likely refrain from doing so...
Intriguing possibility, nonetheless.

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How could destroying their souls be a GOOD thing?  We are all here to experience everything there is to experience. Them too. By destroying their souls, all souls would be destroyed because we are all ONE, even with Hitler and Pol Pot.

Blessings, Mairlyn 

 ....and the lost souls individuality eventually disintergrates, so it goes back to the pool of raw consciousness--a kind of recycle function.   Cayce talked about a very similar concept too.  He put an interesting astrological twist to it, saying that Saturn represents the dimension to which a soul may banish itself, or "to which all insuffient matter is cast for the remoulding."   Interesting since Saturn sounds a lot like Satan, and its only the darkest "Satans" that go through this experience in Bruce's books?

 Cayce even gave a life/personality of his which apparently experienced this dissolution.  His name was John Bainbridge and he was a nasty fellow who screwed over many people in that life.  Cayce's 2nd incaration from then (looking from a time perspective) was also named John Bainbridge and he appeared to be very similar (being born near the same area in England, traveling to the same areas in America etc.) to the first Bainbridge except that when the 2nd died, he sacrificed his life to save some others.   Cayce said this second John entered in from Saturn's forces!

 The really interesting part, is that when Cayce was reading the Akashic for himself, he couldn't "tap into" the first Bainbridge and only found out about it by reading the records of those who had been associated with Bainbridge, so apparently the first Bainbridge had been wiped clean from the "memory" of Cayce's Total self/Disc and only exists in the universal akashic.....

  Very sad, but fascinating stuff.

Interesting concept Boris.

So from what you are saying we could also say that some evil parts of ancient souls could be reclaimed by another "super pure loving" soul in order to purify that energy.

But then what to do of this "pool of raw counsciousness" ?

It has no significance. I make typos all the time.
I belong to a chat room where the typing has to go so fast that ppl skip the capital to use 1 less keystroke, so I get used to that. I even type my favorite girl's  name with no capital. As for the personal dignity of proper address, there is no such thing in this chat room. Everyone sooner or later gets insulted, falsely accused,  or told to shut up! Getting used to it is good for you, and enables you to develop calm in the storm.
As president Truman once said, "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". I am quite at home with controversy, don't mind it at all.


I have invented a new keyboard that has other ways to get capital letters, but I have not built it yet. It has a more efficient placement of the letters than qwerty. I have put in the rearranged letters by writing programs, but unfortunately I cant do it in Windows, so I will have to rewire.

Hi Brendan-

Fascinating question, but I'm curious about jiust what you actually mean by "destroy" and "soul". 

Example: I can "destroy" a cup of coffee by drinking it, but obviously there is somethitng left over. When therapists work with "demonic entities" the usual result is that the entities discover that really they are beings of light. They simply got frightened and took on a hostile identity for self protection. With a little effort they recall their original states, and as "beings of llight" they thus cease to be demons and they go off into the Light. Thus the "demon" is destroyed" but somethitng remains. (Aside from details, this is obviously the same as rescuing a stuck soul through a retrieval.)

To make the soul vanish without leaving anything behind seems unlikely for the same reason that past lives confirm our existence in the present. Example:  Assume a star several billion lightyears away goes nova today, and tuns into energy, or cosmic dust. We can't tell it, because we're still looking at it in its childhood. Thus, the star is both vanished and still exists. A race on another galaxy another billion lightyears farther away might notice that the star is coming into existence. All these factors in the star's life exist forever, because they are now part of the history of the universe, and there is no way to remove history.

I suggest that a soul is part of the universal history just as well. Thus, its karma might lead it through all manner of changes, yet its existence can't be made to go away without a residual historic trace that remains active.

If the idea of the soul refers to the location of  interaction of a viewpoint, the place to which I refer when I say "I know I am," then, just as the starlight continues to manifest the star long after it has vanished from the material world, the soul's life energies may be dispersed throughout the universe, but it would appear  to the soul to still be operational, just as are the  activities of those whose bodies have fallen off.

Reducing everything to the least residue, that there is simply the binary history of the soul's existence as compared to nomn-existence, then we seem to be simply going back to the initial event where the initial definition of the soul happened. This gives us the point of "I am in order to become," so to say, the initial point of everything, and the rest follows.

To go back further, past the initial binary manifestation of anything, we reach the point from which the Creator, existing outside of what we call motion, time and space, spontaneously creates the motion, time and space such that the soul would come to occur. To get rid of that, you need to get rid of God. But God can be viewed as the immanent creativity outside of motion, time or space, so you can't go there. Creativity ex nihilo simply Is.

Looks to me that about all your "ultimate weapon" would do is irritate the Creator. I don't think I'd want to go there.

dave