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Why do humans deterioratively age? (Read 10526 times)
Brendan
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Why do humans deterioratively age?
Apr 11th, 2005 at 3:07am
 
As I understand, the essentially Pantheistic view of
the universe expressed on this site has it that there
is a "progression", if you will, of life from lower to higher forms, via reincarnation.
(Not to dis Pantheism... it makes WAY more sense than the "desert monotheisms" that dominate Western society. Anyhow...)
Here's my question...
Deteriorative aging occurs mostly among mammals. Humans age in such a manner that they spend the last one-half to one-third of their lives suffering from mounting medical problems and decreasing mental and physical function. Human aging is set up in such a way that just as soon as you have amassed some experience and gained some actual practical WISDOM about life... you begin to fall apart!
Compare this with the aging of crocodiles. A crocodile does not age like we do, although they have a similar lifespan. A 100-year-old croc is KING of the pond. He likely has only a few more years of life (100 years being about the limit of lifespans throughout the animal kingdom) and when he does die, typically his body will fail over a period of a couple weeks or so, and the end comes quickly. But those remaining years will be GOOD years. The croc even has a HEALTHY SEXUAL FUNCTION right up to the end! VERY fortunate is the human who gets to say the same when his bell tolls...
So WHY, then, does a stupid reptile (a lower life form!) get the "good life" for its entire lifespan, and HUMANS get screwed? 100 years is plenty long, sure... but for humans, only about 35-45 years (20-30 years if you subtract childhood) are any damn good!!!
Sometimes, I think Somebody #$@!-ed up.
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Re: Why do humans deterioratively age?
Reply #1 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 9:06am
 
>So WHY, then, does a stupid reptile (a lower life form!) get the "good life" for its entire lifespan, and HUMANS get screwed?

Because humans spend the first half of their life intoxicating themselves with toxic foods, lifestyles and environments. Then they spend the the second half paying the consequences.

The stupid reptile are smart enough to live naturally and only consume those foods which it is biologically adapted to consume. Therefore, it's healthy and fully functional right to the end.
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Reply #2 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 10:24am
 
It is also interesting to see that our society, based on capitalism, focus on curing instead of preventing problems.

So instead of doctors actively endorsing healthy lifestyles with exercices and all that stuff, we are faced with doctors who prefer to wait until you are in trouble to try and fix everything.

Be active mentally and physically, eat correctly and you WILL age correctly.

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Re: Why do humans deterioratively age?
Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 11:23am
 
Why does a dog get gray haired at 17? And why does a mouse or rat live only about 3 years, even though they have high intelligence?

I have heard of such a thing as a death gene.
I have long suspected that death is programmed.
And did the programmeers screw Up? I have been saying all along that the creators screw up, and that this is an imperfect universe.

We might some day find the death gene.
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Raphael
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 12:42pm
 
I don't think the problem is death itself.

The problem Brendan pointed out was actually the deterioration of the body long BEFORE death could occured.

If you do find a way to stop the deterioration of normal cells (caused by the death genes) I heard we could live up to 5000 years. Of course this can't be officially proved right now.
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 1:46pm
 
from a holistic/spiritual viewpoint, first and foremost, we age because of a deeply engendered belief system that we must age. 

part of separation and living under the veil.

many beings talk about the potential for us to live a lot longer and healthier lives than we do now and the pathway for doing so is overcoming such belief systems.

from a physical viewpoint, you age because of oxidation, chemical and stress exposure and a bell-curve type belief in the cycle of life and health.  although all these physical things are premised on underlying belief systems in my view which arise genetically and generationally.

Scott
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Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 5:45pm
 
Why do humans deterioratively age?

Perhaps the reason is because earth is like a spiritual boot camp for humans.  If life were always fun and easy, we wouldn't learn much and our spirits would not grow.  It takes a lot of spiritual effort, through willpower, to continue living a productive and meaningful life despite the ravages of old age.  Just look at Pope John Paul II.  I'm sure his spirit grew a whole lot during his life on earth, where he had to fulfill the responsibilities of the papacy while suffering from Parkinson's disease and other ailments.  Now that he is in the afterlife, he is probably a much stronger spirit than he was before he incarnated.

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Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2005 at 6:29pm
 
I agree with Freebird.  The Pope is an excellent example of someone who truly suffered throughout his life.  Just look at his childhood where he lost his entire family by the time he was 20.  He realized there is a purpose to suffering and that is the main thing I learned from him and will carry with me.
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Reply #8 - Apr 12th, 2005 at 10:31pm
 
I agree. The Holy Father touched my heart beyond my understanding. And I'm not even Catholic. He taught us not only how to live, but how to be alone,  how to forgive, how to grow old, how to accept suffering both physical and emotional (he looked on it as a gift as well) and how to die. He must be one of those "old souls" I hear people speak of on occasion. And I certainly hope he has all the joy and love anyone could ever want right now and forever more. He truly deserves it.
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Reply #9 - Apr 13th, 2005 at 1:03am
 
My own perspective:-

Genetically speaking (and admittedly, I know VERY little about this) our DNA apparently has a strand called a telomere...so to a degree it's literally like burning a candle.  When we get to the end of the telomere, our time is up.

Philosophically speaking, I've always had the impression that the main reason why aging occurs is to reduce emotional resistance to the idea of death...This perspective is primarily based on once asking my grandfather if he was afraid of dying. 

Ergo, if a person remained in the same physical condition they typically were at around 18 years of age for their entire life, death would seem like a tragedy no matter when it hit...both for them, and for other people around them.  Age however means that you *gradually* get increasingly weak, sick, and mentally dysfunctional/socially irrelevant over time, so that by the time death does come around for you, life is already sufficiently unpleasant that you actually look forward to going.
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Reply #10 - Apr 13th, 2005 at 3:37am
 
Uhhh, Truseeker...
The late Pope was a fine man, no doubt...
But I'm a bit skeptical over whether he REALLY
looked upon suffering as a "gift."
John Paul II was a very compassionate man, and
I believe he sincerely wanted to make a difference
in the world.
But we must accept the fact that he had to operate
within the strict confines of an extremely dogmatic
religion (Roman Catholic.) This church has used the
"suffering as a gift" line now for two millennia. But
note it is always the POOR who are allowed this
"gift" in the most generous portions.
Please note that the Church high-ups seldom volunteer for the "gift" of suffering... when was the
last time you saw a starving priest, or even one in
a hair shirt?
So, I doubt that the Pope viewed suffering as a "gift"... more likely a necessary (for whatever reason) evil.
That being said, I hope he found his heaven (and I hope the Catholic Church is WRONG about the nature of the universal afterlife, for what it's worth...)
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Reply #11 - Apr 13th, 2005 at 3:46am
 
Intimately and inseparably related to this topic of aging and death, is that of diet and health.

For those not yet familiar with the work of nutritionist Aajonus Vonderplanitz (based in Carliforna), it would be valuable (including for family and friends around you) to keep yourself informed of this.

Completely devoid of any commercial motives or products (eg. drugs, gadgets, supplements, etc), Aajonus Vonderplanitz's methods of 100% natural foods have an extremely high success rate of healing cancers and other severe medical conditions (eg. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), much higher than that of modern clinical treatment, and much less painful and costly too!

The following is a most informative Hilarion Reading on this topic, of the (preventable! decline of) the health of humans since modern civilization, as well as the work of Aajonus Vonderplanitz.

(Thanks to Heidi Hanson for sponsoring this Reading).

http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/HilarionDiet.html
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Re: Why do humans deterioratively age?
Reply #12 - Apr 13th, 2005 at 7:56am
 
Why Not?

Does the bible not say that "man hath but three score years and ten to live" (i.e. 70 years)?

So it has been decreed that we would die, and who would want to die at that age, or when our time duly arrives, feeling as young and energetic as, say, an eighteen year old?
Can you imagine what a world we would be living in if nobody ever died? Probably standing on the shoulders of someone standing on the shoulders of....and so forth.
Also, I wonder what our forefathers would think of the technological age we live in today? This made me wonder as to whether spirits of our long departed ones are aware of the advances made in the physical world and what their observation/comments would be?
A few more questions leading to yet more comments, perhaps?

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Reply #13 - Apr 13th, 2005 at 9:47am
 
Quote:
Uhhh, Truseeker...
The late Pope was a fine man, no doubt...
But I'm a bit skeptical over whether he REALLY
looked upon suffering as a "gift."
John Paul II was a very compassionate man, and
I believe he sincerely wanted to make a difference
in the world.
But we must accept the fact that he had to operate
within the strict confines of an extremely dogmatic
religion (Roman Catholic.) This church has used the
"suffering as a gift" line now for two millennia. But
note it is always the POOR who are allowed this
"gift" in the most generous portions.
Please note that the Church high-ups seldom volunteer for the "gift" of suffering... when was the
last time you saw a starving priest, or even one in
a hair shirt?
So, I doubt that the Pope viewed suffering as a "gift"... more likely a necessary (for whatever reason) evil.
That being said, I hope he found his heaven (and I hope the Catholic Church is WRONG about the nature of the universal afterlife, for what it's worth...)


I wasn't referring to "the church" but to the man and the spritual force obviously present IMO within him. Yes the poor suffer and yes the rich suffer too. Everyone suffers.

No one can seem to get past that rich or poor thing. That whole money thing. Very sad.

I have known poor people who are much happier than those who are rich. For those who are willing it can be an opportunity for spiritual enlightenment. Otherwise, what is all the fasting for? The point of leaving everything behind and making a pilgrimage to serve others? Seems contradictory to what this "afterlife" stuff is about.

I came here searching for like minded people and to learn about spiritual enlightenment. But I don't feel that here so I will be moving on now.

Good luck your in quests.
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Re: Why do humans deterioratively age?
Reply #14 - Apr 13th, 2005 at 10:19am
 
TruSeeker, please don't leave. Everyone has their own opinion and by discussing all points of view, spiritual enlightenment comes. For true enlightenment, we must set our egos aside and not be 'hurt' by what others say. No one group/forum has all the answers as we're all seekers.

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