(p.s. how did I get a smile face when I thought I typed an "8"?)

It's not so much as good vs evil. IT's about what we should do and what we shouldn't.

If you believe everything is normal and part of the game, then you have no power over it. Thus those who believe in actions will force their ideology on you.

I believe there is a right path and a wrong path. Not good and evil but right and wrong.

This is why we should continu to fight rape, violence, and war while continuing to think about what is right and what is truly wrong.

Indeed, there is a difference between what we are thought in our culture and what is the TRUE "right" and the TRUE "wrong".

Lucy,

   Your wondering made me wonder.

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Maybe what they are saying is more about the concept of "polarity" than about "good" or "evil" ?  Maybe "polarity" implies that good and evil are by their nature on opposite ends of some sliding scale.  Implying that they by their nature only exist in relationship to each other?  Maybe no such sliding scale / relationship between them actually exists?  Maybe they exist as entirely independant concepts, each with their own sliding scales that run from zero to 100%.  Maybe any single act or thing can exist which is both 80% good and 80% evil?

For example, in a young woman is walking down the street, not escorted by a male family member, wearing hip hugger jeans and a tank top.  An observer within the context of western culture will have a different view of the good/evil polarity than an observer in some middle eastern cultures.  In western culture she may attract smiles, in some middle eastern cultures she may attract rocks.

Maybe what those channelled folks are saying is that no polarity / relationship between good or evil is intrinsic to the act?  That doesn't necessarily mean that good and evil don't exist, just that no act be judged on a sliding scale with good and evil at opposite ends of the scale?

Like I said, your question made me wonder.  By all my question marks, you can probably see, I'm still wondering 

Bruce

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In order to understand first have to have individual desire and willingness to  become aware what beliefs systems we all hold in physicality and how those beliefs influence our perceptions and reality.....

relationships (interpersonal/intrapersonal = self/other)
duplicity (morality/ethics)
sexuality (sexuality/gender/orientation/preference)
truth (relative truths/Absolute Truth)
emotion (emotional/feeling)
perception (perceptual/attention)
the senses (inner/physical sensing)
religious/spirituality (exoteric/esoteric)
scientific/elements of physical reality (scientific/rational)
physical creation of the universe, including accidents and coincidences (creation mythos)

"Elias: The belief system itself is, as I have stated many times, a bird cage. The aspects of the belief system are all of the birds which are contained within the bird cage. All of these birds are quite animated, quite living, holding much energy, and are quite affecting, just as an actual bird within your physical focus which occupies a cage. It is requiring of attention and it is demanding of attention at times also. It requires food and water and care and also your attention and interaction, and the birds within the bird cage of the belief system — the aspects of belief systems — are quite similar. They are quite demanding of your attention also, and they move in the direction of wishing to be fed in like manner to your birds within physical focus, and you are quite efficient at feeding all of these aspects, for you DO pay attention to them and you reinforce them in energy, and this is how you feed them.

Now; I shall also briefly offer to you that within the action of this shift in consciousness, the point is to be opening the door to these bird cages and allowing the birds to fly free, therefore neutralizing the belief system by emptying the aspects from the belief system — emptying all of the birds from the bird cage — and in this action, you are not eliminating the belief system. You are not discarding the cage. You are merely emptying the cage and the demandingness of the cage, and you may allow yourselves to be using these cages subsequently, ornamentally, within your own creativity, and you may alter them into whatever design you are choosing, reconstructing their energy into more efficient and beneficial energy.
Therefore, I express once again, the point is not to be eliminating belief systems or to be altering belief systems, but to be accepting of these belief systems that you hold, for they are an intricate element of your physical focus and they may not be eliminated from your physical focus. They are a part of its design. You have created this reality incorporating belief systems. They are intricate to it. They ARE your reality. Therefore, we do not seek to be eliminating of them, but to be accepting of them.

The acceptance of a belief system, the allowance of the birds to be flying free, is to be recognizing each of these birds and not creating a judgment, for acceptance is the lack of judgment, and each time that you allow yourself to move into the direction of non-judgment any longer concerning any aspect of a given belief system, you are allowing a bird to fly free and you are emptying another bird from the cage."



ELIAS: “Belief systems are those inventions that you create to explain what you do not understand. Truths are unchanging. Reality is a truth, but your viewing of reality is a belief system.

Beliefs system not start and apply in afterlife
and all experience follow our beliefs and not other way around

This understanding can lead to the following...

You all hold the belief system of duplicity. There is no individual upon this planet within this dimension that does not hold the belief system of duplicity, but in moving into the areas of acceptance, you also move into the area of accepting of duplicity automatically, in part, and therefore begin the neutralization of this belief system, which holds the greatest stronghold with you. You believe that you are good and bad simultaneously, and this is duplicity, and you believe that all other individuals are good and bad simultaneously. This is duplicity. And no individual is good and bad, for there is no good and bad! It is merely choices of experience.

There is no element within your dimension – there is no element within essence – that is good or bad. You merely hold belief systems that express this to you that you believe, and you create your reality in accordance with this, and this perpetuates the lack of acceptance within self and within other individuals, and this creates conflict and the perpetuation, and over and over and cycling and circling and continuing. And this be the action of your shift, to be altering of this reality and recognizing the reality that there is no right and wrong, there is no good and bad, and there is no necessity for judgment.

And also let me express to you that each time you view yourselves or another individual to be right, you are creating a judgment. You do not merely create judgment in expressing wrongness, for each time that you express rightness, you also express wrongness automatically, for some element must be wrong if there is an element that is right! This is how you have created your reality and your belief systems, and it IS your reality and it is a very STRONG reality, and it holds to you very strongly and YOU hold to IT very strongly, and you resist the letting go of these belief systems, for they are familiar. And this is what you have created for millennium and this is what you recognize and this is comfortable, and although you express you are not comfortable, you continue to create uncomfortableness, for it is familiar, and in that it is comfortable.

Each of you holds wondrous gloriousness! There are no limitations to your accomplishments. There are no limitations to your energy. There are no limitations to your connectedness EXCEPT within the area of the holding to your belief systems, and as you hold to them you also create your own limitations and you do not allow yourselves to view the wondrousness of what you have created within this dimension.”

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Lucy...lol! same thing happened to me and I just decided it looked good, so left it! every time you type an 8 you will get a face with sunglasses on which simply means you are a cool person!

loved your post sincerely. alysia

    I've thought a lot about this concept.  I liked all the other posts on this thread.  I agree with Bruce that there may be good and evil states but that they are not true polar opposites.   
   It seems like there are two main concepts, that there is such thing as right and wrong, or that everything is right or good.  Maybe both are right though they seem paradoxical?   But i lean to believing that wrong, evil, etc. are just temporary expressions so in the grand scheme of things, them being temporary, means they are more of an illusion.  But that does that mean that when a person is experiencing a strongly negative energy whether within or without that that negativity is any less real?   
   As far as energy goes, from what i get of the Cayce readings is that originally there was only a positive, expanding force which is what we might call Spirit.   This force sparked off separately conscious aspects of itself, and these were planned to co-create with the Creator in the manner that the creator created, ever expanding, ever of a positively charged force.  To create these individuated sparks, the Creator had to give the sparks free-will otherwise they would just be automatons of sorts, not growing but stagnant. 
    Some of these souls chose to experience reality outside of the Creators original intention, and this brought in the first negative aspect of energy, which is that of contracting, indrawing, passive nature.  This negative force became a compliment to the positive force or a balance, but not necessarily an opposite force unto itself for the only true force is that which had its beginning in the First Cause, that of positive force.   This interaction of positive-negative soul energies created matter, but because matter is infused with negative as well as positive forces, it eventually disintergrates.   Negative forces can also be related to that which destroys (i mean change), breaks down other energies.   As far as putting moral judgements on these forces, i don't think it applies-- they are neither good nor bad, they just are.
  But it also seems true that spiritual forces are of the positively charged force and very high vibrating whereas material consciousness seems to be balanced to the negative and of a low vibration.   
  Then the readings talk about the trinity of Spirit, Mind, and Matter.   And it says that the Christ force is that of Mind, which to me means that a person can reach a perfect balance between that of Spirit-positively charged energy and Matter which has both but is more balanced towards the Negative forces.   Mind as a force, not the intellect, is the mediator between these two major aspects of creation.   When this balance is achieved, you fall into the pattern that is set in Him, Yeshua who is ever the Guide for this system.

I've been trying to correlate the above to certain concepts in health, particularly the most important aspect of health--the Acid-Alkaline balance.   In the human body, health seems to be optimal when the blood and fluids in the tissues and glands, is slightly more balanced to the Alkaline, and Alkaline means in its most basic definition a mineral (as in what is taken from food) that has an abundance or balance more towards negatively charged Hydrogen Ions.  Acid has a balance towards positively charged hydrogen ions.  Minerals that are acid attract or bond alkaline minerals and particles, and vice versa Alkaline minerals bond, or bind acid minerals.  So different foods, generally, are labeled either alkaline REACTING/FORMING or acid reacting and forming.  there is a difference, for example a orange is acid in its normal state, but if digested properly by a body, because of its mineral content (especially high levels of potassium) it then becomes alkaline forming (milk and grains when taken with it in the same meal really mess up this digestive process).

When either becomes overly dominant, the body starts to suffer for many reasons to numerous to mention here.  Mostly because the electricity of the body doesn't flow well through overly acid or overly alkaline states.   
  The wierd thing i've noticed is that what is good for the body, seems to be the opposite spiritually (when talking about positive vs. negative charges and high vibrations v.s. slow vibrations).  And the wastes in the body are almost always of an acid state which is that of the positive force!  For example, most high vibrations destroy tissue, whereas the low vibratory forces strengthens the body and its tissues (course it depends on the right attunement too).   
   So maybe we are more healthy when slightly more alkaline because that harmonizes with the very forces which make up matter, and attracts the higher vibrating and positive forces in the purer energy states?  But when we take in overly positive forces in the body, because that is contrary to what the body means or is made up of, it conflicts.   

Still don't have the concepts down yet, but it is interesting though.   

Well I have been pondering all this in the back ofmind this week and all I can say is, I think it takes a lifetime to understand this point. I do separate the experiences of HERE from the experiences of THERE but feel those THERE must be trying to tell us something that is obvious to them but not to us. When something is causing me pain it is difficult to not polarize. The idea that something could be both 80% good and 80% evil simultaneously is intriguing. ...which reminds me I had a dance teacher once who used to talk abuut pain being good...some pain was good pain and meant you were stretching properly (as opposed to injury pain). This is all bigger than my pea brain's capacity.

and wizlove, I hope someday when I'm walking down the street, one of those bad work days maybe, I bump into you, and you look into my eyes with that Compassion, and I remember my Source. that would make my day.