Roger:

I've considered this issue a fair amount, and it seems that after a life review, a person still needs to work on his (or her) spiritual growth.

PMH Atwater wrote of a man who was like a Mafia hit man, during an NDE he went through a life review, and saw how much he hurt others. He changed for the better and dedicated the rest of his life to helping others.

Zurgen Ziewe wrote of a man (the spirit of) who worked at like a spirit world resort center, and served others. Apparently this man didn't live in a positive way while in this world, and was making up for this fact by serving others. He did so in order to grow spiritually.

Jesus said, "as you sow, so you reap."  I figure you don't become spiritually evolved because of one experience, despite what some supposed enlightened people claim. If you want to grow spiritually you have to work at it, despite what one experience showed you.

I had a spirit world experience where I visited what some people refer to as the summerland. It was a nice place, and there seemed to be no problems there. Nevertheless, I have experienced more fulfilling states of being during meditation than these spirits were experiencing, because even though they were basically nice people while alive, they didn't dedicate their lives to reconnecting to God, because they didn't understand that doing so is the only way to find true fulfillment. The source of love, joy, peace, wisdom and wonder, is the only place where true fulfillment can be found.

Just some ideas:
If time doesn't exist out side of our time space, how do we know we didn't set up the life review first and our lives then lead us to that final scenario so that the full impact of our decisions come full circle and we get to see how unconscious we still are?

I say this because there has been a big theme of pathological people in my life, narcissism, a paedophile or two and perhaps even a sociopath. I went into my OBE states believing they were evil and possessed by the devil or some such thing. I was informed that this isn't true, that at some point they sacrificed their soul (conscious awareness of it perhaps) and chose a path of unconscious negativity. I was also shown that there is no point in trying to educate these people of the errors of their ways, that the impact of their wrongs will only become conscious in the between life state, in their review, but also when they are made aware that all their actions were witnessed as well as all their subconscious drives. It only then that a mirror is held up to them and they are forced to see themselves.

My anger and lack of forgiveness were holding me back and I wasn't aware it would prevent me evolving when I leave this place. My guides put a lot of time and many sessions into changing the way I think about 'evil' people.

Roger:

For the Maise quote you provided, I think she meant while alive.

I read one NDE experience where a lady blacked out as her boyfriend choked her. She said that he was a negative guy. He had an NDE where he went towards the light, but when it is was time for him to have a life review, he wasn't interested, and instead went to a lower realm. What this guy experienced is different than what the hit man experienced.

A hit man might be different than say a bully. A bully has some awareness that he is harming others, he bullies people because he wants to cause them to suffer.

Or consider people involved in politics in someway (either politicians or political commentators) that purposely lie to people in order to mislead, manipulate and control them. They couldn't lie to the extent they do, if they weren't conscious of what they were doing. Before they go through a life review, they will have to get over their attachment to the concept that it is okay to lie to others as you try to control them. A person such as a bully will have to get over his attachment to wanting to make other people suffer.

The Mafia like hit man example I provided contradicts some of the above. Perhaps he was motivated by indifference and a commitment to his crime boss, rather than something such as meanness, or being hungry for power.

Back to the bully issue, there are usually reasons for which people become bullies. If such people during a life review become conscious of why they became bullies, and then have some remembrance of their innate divinity, they are likely to become more open to recognizing in an honest and responsible way how they harmed others.

It is possible that Jesus told his prodigal son story for a reason.




rondele wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:48pm:

<<For the Maise quote you provided, I think she meant while alive.>>

Right. Also when I refer to LRs, I mean people who are alive. I continue to think the affects of the reviews, which can be profound, may lose their impact as time goes on. I think it's variable, for some people it could be life changing, for others not so much.

R

I figure life reviews can play a valuable role in getting people pointed in a positive direction.

And a person's psychology can be complicated, with contradictory drives.

rondele wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 10:48pm:

Regarding what perpetrators learn, perhaps they learn what not to be.

I figure we can't truly understand what humility is, without understanding about arrogance.

We can't appreciate honesty, if we don't know about dishonesty, and have overcome it.

We can't fully understand the beauty of loving others unconditionally, if we haven't done so in a limited conditional way.

We can't fully understand about having compassion for others, if we haven't had the need of receiving it from others, and if there was never anyone we could direct it to.

We can't fully appreciate a positive way of being, if we haven't experienced a negative way.

We can't fully appreciate the value of loyalty, if we haven't dealt with a lack of loyalty.

We won't fully appreciate Oneness, if we don't understand what it is like to seem separate.

We won't be able to be one and many at the same time, if we don't have the opportunity to find out how to exist in such a way.

It is important to understand that everything that exists, for better or worse comes from Source and us as extensions of Source.

If we want to be masters of ourselves, then we need to deal with the possibilities that exist within us, until we work things out so we have a truly wonderful way of existing.

In order for all of the above to take place, we have to have some freedom of expression, even if this means we end up partaking in some of the negative possibilities more than is necessary.

If we want to be able to someday experience a perfected way of existence, we have to be willing to go through some growing pains.

Regarding nothing being hidden, despite what people such as sociopaths attempt, going by what I have experienced, there are love based spirit beings that are aware of everything we do. Perhaps we are internally designed so that we eventually right the ship. I am uncertain about this.

I agree with everything you said R2 but I still think sociopaths and the like are on another level all together. Most of us play around on the edges of naughty when we are younger and realise its not for us, but the others just don't care.

I seem to have a knack of ending conversations.

I ask for apologies for my previous response.