Morrighan wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2019 at 7:48pm:


I completely agree on all accounts.  It's hard to put into words how to describe what I got from my consult with you, even to myself.  Definitely need to relisten to the recording as there is so much there to absorb.

And those who share here do have a lot more to share than one may think...yes, I agree! 

When I first went to meet Bruce it was to ask him questions and to pick his brain.  Learning how to do retrievals wasn't at the top of my list.  I was open to it but there was so much more I identified with than that.  That first day, he said he wanted me to borrow his Guidebook and CDs so I could give it a try, see what I think.  I was grateful.  Two weeks later is when I had my first genuine retrieval, following his process.  I can't even tell you how surprised I was. 

But following that, I got more out of his Guidebook than just retrievals because I found that I could apply what he taught to how psychic, clairvoyance, and OBE perception works.  THAT was a big surprise to Bruce.  And of course over the many years we were friends we talked about this kind of stuff a bunch.  It was music to my ears the day that Bruce said he had learned so much from me, things that his work could be applied to that he never would have considered.  He thought it was so neat that someone could take his work and do something so different with it, yet the same principles apply.  I was just so happy he was willing to listen, consider, and understand my "wild" ideas. 

Imagine having your favorite teacher tell you what he's learned from you?   

Yes, that's why Bruce often said that while retrievals have their own purpose, they are also "training wheels" for further explorations of the afterlife.

Btw he also cautioned against assuming that all deceased folks need retrieving. Most do not. Also, helpers can and do offer themselves up as a spirit needing retrieving, for the purpose of a training exercise.
They can take the guise of a recently deceased friend or loved one or even someone famous to lend credibility to the process. That's not to deceive and usually done when the loved one is otherwise occupied or when the retriever is still learning the process.

So much to learn but one thing for certain- we will never learn it all. It's like those Russian stacking dolls, you pick one up only to find another one underneath.

R

Hi Vicki-

As Bruce explained at the workshop, there's a lot of confusion when it comes to retrievals. We were lucky to have Laurie Monroe in the class as a guest. She gave her own take on things which was somewhat different.

Re your question, as you know helpers often take on the appearance of a loved one when we transition. Our mom might have been dead for many years and not accessible, but having "her" greet us provides great comfort. Same thing when we initiate a retrieval with someone specific in mind. Unless that person has only recently died and is somehow stuck there's really no one to "retrieve". Laurie felt that accessibility is limited time wise after death.

The confusion comes about because some people tend to think retrievals mean contact with a friend or loved one. If that's what the person was expecting or hoping for, it might happen but whether the contact was valid or not is actually impossible to know.

R

Personally I never went along with the notion that aspects of our selves might need retrieving after death. That's strictly an opinion. I am more inclined to think that our soul remains whole and unsullied while our physical self is incarnated.

That view can be challenged, of course. It pretty much contradicts the theory that earth is a school and we are here to learn. Instead it gives credence to those who claim we are just here to have experiences and that wrongful behavior is only an illusion.

These kind of questions are above my pay grade. Way above! 🙄 I suppose we'll know after we die. But maybe not. To me speculation is interesting but it ultimately leads to blind alleys.

R

rondele wrote on Mar 25^th, 2019 at 1:14pm:


Yeah I still have a lot of thinking to do on this subject but it sure is an interesting concept.   It's been so long since I've read his Guidebook front to back...I need to do that again.

Do you know if Aspects of Self is Bruce’s term, or is this from Monroe?

Here’s a quote from Bruce’s AFTERLIFE KNOWLEDGE GUIDEBOOK:

“The new concept, which may conflict with your beliefs, is that we can create alternate selves, called Aspects of Self. If this strains credibility, that’s okay, it’s just a concept, a way for me to teach a technique for eliminating and changing beliefs. In this concept some of the Aspects of Self we create, consciously or subconsciously, function to hold and enforce a specific belief. They appear to operate automatically, and we may have little if any awareness of their existence. These Aspects act independently to apply the effects of the belief in situations the Aspect deems appropriate. That might be a lot of concept for you to swallow in one gulp, but my experience indicates that even if actual Aspects of Self don’t exist, they are a useful way of illustrating something very real about how the effects of beliefs influence our consciousness and how to change or eliminate them.”

Bruce Moen. Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook: A Manual for the Art of Retrieval and Afterlife Exploration (Kindle Locations 1705-1706). Hampton Roads Publishing. Kindle Edition.

I agree with you that I don’t believe our soul is not whole.  I think of the aspects concept as having to do with identity and beliefs, not soul, for the purpose of survival, learning, growth, and healing.  I do like the concept of retrieving Aspects of Self from our present lifetime because I think it’s such a therapeutic thing to do just for self-improvement in your present life.  That’s mostly how I use that concept.  I would have loved to learn more about this subject from Bruce.

So on that note I looked for and found my notes from our “Self-Exploration, Discovery and Healing” workshop and had forgotten about one of the exercises we did.  So glad I took notes.  I’m going to share my experience in the Book Club Pages in the Afterlife Knowledge Guidebook section if anyone wants to read it.

Vicky wrote on Mar 30^th, 2019 at 7:58pm:


"I'll know when it happens" feels just about right.

Removing any overlay of expectations allows for the possibility of a personal interaction with (for example) St. Andrew where

he just goes by Andy; lives all that not far away and shops in the same market as you; and has hobbies and interests here same as you or I.

Same as entertaining the thought that Joan of Arc works as a ride operator in a carnival that travels the American Midwest.

Just two examples presented as possibilities  I've no personal need to talk to Joan of Arc, whatever she is doing now and have not the slightest idea what she's up to. Just haven't bothered to look because, like her, I have other things to do.

Personally, I find it a very good idea for starters to take close stock of encounters with others right here in the physical. Just because my human body sees another human body does not mean anything about who's in there driving. 

Vicky,
I really liked this response especially the last paragraph.  It so nicely describes the development of relationships.     I'll have to remember this one for some of my younger clients.

Good Morning, Vicky,

I'm a healer.... a Reiki Master, Herbalist, Seva practitioner, and Hypnotist....  I'm also a soul retriever but don't advertise that.  The most unusual about all this is it happened late in life after being a wife, mother, artist, shop owner, writer. 

Now a  different kind of life.  I'm living a very full one.